Re: [WSG] When the mix of visual appearance and meaning goes really bad

2004-05-09 Thread Mordechai Peller
Andy Budd wrote: Seems like using i or span class=italic are pretty much the same. No, here the span is worse. But it isn't a fair comparison since on one hand you're using the wrong tool the right way, but on the other hand you're using the right tool the wrong way. The class and id attribute,

RE: [WSG] Forms, labels headers

2004-05-09 Thread Manuel González Noriega
El dom, 09-05-2004 a las 05:56, Bert Doorn escribió: Really, what is the practical (as opposed to philosophical) difference between the two methods? Hi Bert, are you asking why using tables for layout is stupid? :-) http://www.hotdesign.com/seybold/ -- Manuel González Noriega

[WSG] Textarea problem

2004-05-09 Thread Vaska . WSG
I'm having a problem with a textarea. It will display properly on the page (which has three div columns) but when a person begins to input data it automatically expands (to the right) so it occupies two columns instead of just the middle column. I've never seen anything like this before...

RE: [WSG] Forms, labels headers

2004-05-09 Thread Bert Doorn
Hi, are you asking why using tables for layout is stupid? :-) http://www.hotdesign.com/seybold/ I know using multiple tables, nested n levels deep is stupid and results in lots of excess code. So is using font tags etc. That's why I don't design that way. But sometimes it is (to me)

[WSG] Helen Rysavy is out of the office until 24 May 2004

2004-05-09 Thread Helen . Rysavy
I will be out of the office starting 10/05/2004 and will not return until 24/05/2004. Hi, thanks for your email. I am away until 24 May. Please contact Dahlia Docherty on x 6569 in my absence. * The discussion list for

Re: [WSG] Font Sizes

2004-05-09 Thread Noa Groveman
YoYoEtc wrote: Just wanted to make a comment - criticism perhaps - of the size of the print/text I see on some web sites I have visited. Honestly, I am not old and I almost need a magnifying glass to see some of it. Sometimes it seems that the designer has tried to cram as much as is humanly

[WSG] Helen Rysavy is out of the office until 24 May 2004

2004-05-09 Thread Helen . Rysavy
I will be out of the office starting 10/05/2004 and will not return until 24/05/2004. Hi, thanks for your email. I am away until 24 May. Please contact Dahlia Docherty on x 6569 in my absence. * The discussion list for

Re: [WSG] Font Sizes

2004-05-09 Thread YoYoEtc
My monitor is set for 1042x768. I understand what you are saying about fonts taken from an elementary schoolbook. Those can be even more annoying. I am referring to fonts that appear to be perhaps a 6 or 7 point size on screen. Honestly, you can hardly read some of them. What is

Re: [WSG] Font Sizes

2004-05-09 Thread YoYoEtc
Is Firefox yet another browser? In designing sites, are there other browsers I need to take into consideration other than Internet Explorer, Netscape, Mozilla, Opera and WebTV? At 03:45 PM 5/9/2004, Rimantas Liubertas wrote: Frankly, I've tired of all this endless dancing around font sizes

Re[2]: [WSG] Font Sizes

2004-05-09 Thread Rimantas Liubertas
Hello YoYoEtc, Sunday, May 9, 2004, 11:00:49 PM, you wrote: ... Y What is ctrl+scrollwheel? I have a Logitech mouse with a scrollwheel in the Y middle (which I rarely use - was raised in DOS times with old fashined Y mouse grin) Well this is just an very effective way to increase-decrease font

Re: [WSG] Textarea problem

2004-05-09 Thread Justin French
Can you post a demo link? On 10/05/2004, at 12:14 AM, Vaska.WSG wrote: I'm having a problem with a textarea. It will display properly on the page (which has three div columns) but when a person begins to input data it automatically expands (to the right) so it occupies two columns instead of

Re: [WSG] Font Sizes

2004-05-09 Thread YoYoEtc
So this means I only need to proof it in one of Firefox, Mozilla or Netscape, not all three. Is that correct? At 04:19 PM 5/9/2004, Felix Miata wrote: Firefox, Mozilla and Netscape are all the same Gecko rendering engine. Netscape 6/7 are simply older versions. -- ** Tina

[WSG] WSG Design competition is closed

2004-05-09 Thread russ - maxdesign
Thanks to everyone who submitted designs for the new WSG site revamp. We will be post them online late this coming weekend for voting. The winning entry will get instant glory, fame and a free book (Web Standards Solutions: The Markup and Style Handbook). Well... maybe just the book... Get your

RE: [WSG] Forms, labels headers

2004-05-09 Thread Kay Smoljak
I know using multiple tables, nested n levels deep is stupid and results in lots of excess code. So is using font tags etc. That's why I don't design that way. But sometimes it is (to me) unavoidable to use a table, because the alternatives just don't work consistently enough across

Re: [WSG] Font Sizes

2004-05-09 Thread Jake Badger
I wouldn't bother testing in WebTV at all. It has a tiny market share and pretty limited functionality. Jake Quoting YoYoEtc [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Is Firefox yet another browser? In designing sites, are there other browsers I need to take into consideration other than Internet Explorer,

Re: [WSG] Textarea problem

2004-05-09 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
On May 9, 2004, at 11:14 pm, Vaska.WSG wrote: I'm having a problem with a textarea. It will display properly on the page (which has three div columns) but when a person begins to input data it automatically expands (to the right) so it occupies two columns instead of just the middle column.

Re: [WSG] csscreator.com multimenu

2004-05-09 Thread mario
I respectfully disagree. Based on the latest browser statistics 92% of all users have JavaScript turned on. In addition, JavaScript enabled dropdown menus are still a viable method of creating navigation systems. There are certainly a number of older browsers that do not support the latest

Re: [WSG] csscreator.com multimenu

2004-05-09 Thread scott parsons
That depends whether the menu is essential for navigation or not. If it is just an added extra, but there are still other ways to get around I would still feel free to use it! Michael Donnermeyer wrote: I'd stay away from it. The main reason being the use of Javascript in there, effectively

Re: [WSG] csscreator.com multimenu

2004-05-09 Thread Hugh Todd
Neerav, Safari 1 and IE 5 account for most Mac users at this point, I would think. You would want to make sure that the appearance of the menu degrades gracefully, if you decide to go this way. Fails in: NN4, Opera 6.05 on Windows. Safari 1.0, IE5.2 on Mac Im happy enough with that

[WSG] JS Percentages?

2004-05-09 Thread Ryan Christie
I wouldn't trust JS as far as I could throw it (can you throw code?) ... but is there a statistic on how many users actually disable it in their browsers? Is it possible to sniff that out, and if so, how many users per group are we talking about? -Ryan

Re: [WSG] JS Percentages?

2004-05-09 Thread YoYoEtc
And if some users do indeed disable it, what sort of code do you put it as an alternative to get the site to do what you want it to do? At 11:23 PM 5/9/2004, Ryan Christie wrote: I wouldn't trust JS as far as I could throw it (can you throw code?) ... but is there a statistic on how many users

Re: [WSG] Forms, labels headers

2004-05-09 Thread Ryan Christie
I seriously just have to add, those toons are priceless :) excellent resource Manuel! -Ryan Manuel González Noriega wrote: El dom, 09-05-2004 a las 05:56, Bert Doorn escribió: Really, what is the practical (as opposed to philosophical) difference between the two methods? Hi Bert,

Re: [WSG] JS Percentages?

2004-05-09 Thread Ryan Christie
YoYoEtc wrote: And if some users do indeed disable it, what sort of code do you put it as an alternative to get the site to do what you want it to do? Server-side languages such as PHP or ASP. JS is a client language because it's dependant on a user's browser to supply the processing power for

Re: [WSG] csscreator.com multimenu

2004-05-09 Thread tony
Hi All, My first post to this list. A couple of points regarding CSSCreator MultiMenu which may have been overlooked. Firstly JavaScript is only needed by IE for that menu, any of the other supported browsers will function fine without it. I like the menu because of the very small JavaScript

Re: [WSG] HTML/XHTML, CSS Validation Tools on Linux !

2004-05-09 Thread Meraj Rasool Khattak
Thank you. I am downloading them will try to configure on my local server :-) I will see if I could find them anywhere in a package, as downloading through CVS won't be that easy for everyone. Regards Prayers, -Meraj --- Mark Stanton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know the W3C validator is

[WSG] csscreator.com multimenu

2004-05-09 Thread Neerav
What do WSG members think of www.csscreator.com/menu/multimenu.php ? has anyone used it in their sites? Im thinking of implenting it for a client and replacing the existing ~30kb DHTML vertical menu, I believe it was designed by a WSG member. According to the author Browser Support is: Works