Re: [WSG] Longhorn Avalon - seismic shift for web standards?

2005-07-15 Thread Mugur Padurean
... for the government? Me to. At least that's where i go every morning :) Exept i work FOR THE PEOPLE. Let me point that this is MY opinion : THE ONLY entity, whom may have a form or another of web presence, that does NOT have the option to choose who to SERVE ... IS the government. Before we

Re: [WSG] Longhorn Avalon - seismic shift for web standards?

2005-07-15 Thread David Pietersen
Sorry, trying to be aware of the request to stay on topic, but... You shold be more forward-thinking if you're responsilbe for .gov web site. (No offence, please.) I never saidmy site was not compliant. Every page of anything I serve (apart from the legacy apps) works perfectly in FireFox and

Re: [WSG] Longhorn Avalon - seismic shift for web standards?

2005-07-15 Thread Jeroen Visser | vizi
On Jul 15, 2005, at 2:54 AM, Paul Ross wrote: [From a PC mag article] In a nutshell, Avalon means developers are now free to code without considering the resolution of users' monitors. This ensures that apps developed in this environment will work on just about any display, from mobile phones

Re: [WSG] Longhorn Avalon - seismic shift for web standards?

2005-07-15 Thread Jan Brasna
My whole point is... why bother? Why not? As I've written some posts back - most people have no extra expenses (or extra time / effort) delivering compliant sites, the only time consuming part is tweaking *for* IE, so I still can't see the point. It is JUST a browser, heck, you don't even

Re: [WSG] Longhorn Avalon - seismic shift for web standards?

2005-07-15 Thread Mugur Padurean
quote My whole point is... why bother? Why spend the massive amount of time (and therefore 'the peoples' money) making it work across all these technologies when practically everyone who is using it has access to IE. / quote Actualy webstandards ARE quite cost efective ... :D. Truly you must

RE: [WSG] Longhorn Avalon - seismic shift for web standards?

2005-07-15 Thread wayne
XAML is a document definition language which doesnt rely on a browser. It is a whole new technology which allows us to develop applications which are fed from a server. There is no browser. IE doesn't even come into it. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of

Re: [WSG] Longhorn Avalon - seismic shift for web standards?

2005-07-15 Thread Geoff Deering
David Pietersen wrote: Sorry, trying to be aware of the request to stay on topic, but... You shold be more forward-thinking if you're responsilbe for .gov web site. (No offence, please.) I never said my site was not compliant. Every page of anything I serve (apart from the legacy apps)

Re: [WSG] Longhorn Avalon - seismic shift for web standards?

2005-07-15 Thread Justin Carter
On 7/15/05, wayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I dont think XAML needs to be hosted inside IE? No it doesn't need to be. I said You will be able to, not you must :) People need to take a step back here and stop the off topic rants. Go do some light reading or something:

Re: SPAM: RE: [WSG] Longhorn Avalon - seismic shift for web standards?

2005-07-15 Thread dwain
Peter Firminger wrote: I often limit CMS Administration consoles to IE as I may well use an inline HTML editor (an Ektron one for example) that invokes a dll on the client. i thought ms was moving away from the dll. dwain -- Dwain Alford [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.alforddesigngroup.com The

RE: [WSG] Prototype Framework

2005-07-15 Thread Dennis Lapcewich
See http://openrico.org/home.page for applications based on it. Bret Lester [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [WSG] Longhorn Avalon - seismic shift for web standards?

2005-07-15 Thread Dennis Lapcewich
My whole point is... why bother? Why spend the massive amount of time (and therefore 'the peoples' money) making it work across all these technologies when practically everyone who is using it has access to IE. Given a choice, would you rather drive on a gravel road with a vehicle using

Re: [WSG] Longhorn Avalon - seismic shift for web standards?

2005-07-15 Thread dwain
Dennis Lapcewich wrote: My whole point is... why bother? Why spend the massive amount of time (and therefore 'the peoples' money) making it work across all these technologies when practically everyone who is using it has access to IE. Given a choice, would you rather drive on a gravel

Re: [WSG] Longhorn Avalon - seismic shift for web standards?

2005-07-15 Thread Tom Livingston
On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 14:54:22 -0400, Dennis Lapcewich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: when practically everyone who is using it has access to IE I have this conversation about once a week with a Windoze-centric-IE-only coworker. My response is always this: Just because a lot of people have

Re: [WSG] Longhorn Avalon - seismic shift for web standards?

2005-07-15 Thread designer
Dennis, Your analogy is invalid. More to the point: if 95% of cars had square rims and steel wheels, would you set up a business making wheels with round rims taking rubber tyres? Bob McClelland Dennis Lapcewich wrote: My whole point is... why bother? Why spend the massive amount

Re: [WSG] Longhorn Avalon - seismic shift for web standards?

2005-07-15 Thread Nathan Rutman
Isn't it funny that we were having these kinds of discussions about Netscape in '96? Why design for anything other than Netscape? We are finally getting standards that aren't tied to a particular browser implementation/build and we have to ask ourselves whether we want to use them? Give me

Re: [WSG] Longhorn Avalon - seismic shift for web standards?

2005-07-15 Thread dwain
designer wrote: Dennis, Your analogy is invalid. More to the point: if 95% of cars had square rims and steel wheels, would you set up a business making wheels with round rims taking rubber tyres? Bob McClelland as required by industry standards is the key fragment, bob. ie isn't

Re: [WSG] Longhorn Avalon - seismic shift for web standards?

2005-07-15 Thread Tom Livingston
At least on the open road, the square wheelers would actually _see_ the error of their ways. You have to wonder what would happen if someone _physically showed_ that 95% the alternatives... On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:15:13 -0400, designer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your analogy is invalid.

[WSG] clearfixing

2005-07-15 Thread sam sherlock
I found this CSS on a site www.kiss100.com quite interested to know how it behaves in browsers, though it is heavy javascript I often use a .reset class which i gather is to serve the same purpose via a different approach. .clearfix:after { content: .; display: block; height: 0; clear:

Re: [WSG] clearfixing

2005-07-15 Thread dwain
sam sherlock wrote: intention is to put a minimal size block below a container and have other containers flow below that without a great deal of space or bumping have you read this? http://www.positioniseverything.net/easyclearing.html hth, dwain -- Dwain Alford [EMAIL PROTECTED]