Re: [WSG] web accessibility toolbar

2005-08-30 Thread heretic
Hi there, I ask the question partly tongue-in-cheek, but it does make me wonder iftools such as this should be the butt of responsibility? No, I'd say tools like this are workarounds for the failings of the native browser. You certainly can't start using pixels for sizing just because a user

Re: [WSG] web accessibility toolbar

2005-08-30 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
heretic wrote: It alleviates the problem, but realistically I still think designers are better off using relative units Just as a matter of clarification: pixels *are* a relative unit http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/syndata.html#length-units However, they're relative to the screen resolution,

[WSG] Two column left navigation

2005-08-30 Thread Stevio
I have a web site with a left navigation system consisting of images and text in 2 columns. The image is displayed on the left, with the text link to the right of it. At the moment this is displayed using a table. What would be the best way to display this without using tables, i.e. with a

Re: [WSG] Two column left navigation

2005-08-30 Thread Bert Doorn
G'day I have a web site with a left navigation system consisting of images and text in 2 columns. The image is displayed on the left, with the text link to the right of it. ... The width of the container is fixed (at 220px), and the size of the left images is 100px. Why not use a simple

Re: [WSG] Designing for printing

2005-08-30 Thread Kenny Graham
Should I be trying to accommodate A5 printouts, or smaller printouts than the norm, and if so in what way? Ideally, yes, and by not using fixed widths. Otherwise, no, because it'd be way too much work. :-P

RE: [WSG] Designing for printing

2005-08-30 Thread Scott Swabey - Lafinboy Productions
Stevio wrote How far do you go with designing for printing? Is there a particular reason that you are allowing printing of the navigation elements? Unless they add value to the printed page they can all be hidden using a print media style sheet. As for users printing on A5, unless you have

[WSG] Designing for printing

2005-08-30 Thread Stevio
How far do you go with designing for printing? I usually make sure my pages print ok on A4 (210mm by 297mm). For the web site I'm currently working on, I will make some adjustments using a print stylesheet to ensure this works ok. My web site is basically a two column design with the navigation

Re: [WSG] Two column left navigation

2005-08-30 Thread Stevio
Hi Kenny, That almost works, except the text of my links is more than one line long and wraps onto the next line. When it wraps, the 2nd line wraps underneath the image for some reason. Any suggestions? Stephen - Original Message - From: Kenny Graham To:

Re: [WSG] Two column left navigation

2005-08-30 Thread Kenny Graham
http://www.kennygraham.net/projects/wsg/stevio/index.html http://www.kennygraham.net/projects/wsg/stevio/style.css At the moment this is displayed using a table. What would be the best way to display this without using tables, i.e. with a couple of divs for each image and text pair?

Re: [WSG] Two column left navigation

2005-08-30 Thread Kenny Graham
Seems the list filtered out my last response (probably thought it was spam) so this time I'll include text along with the links. Is this what you want?: http://www.kennygraham.net/projects/wsg/stevio/index.html and the css: http://www.kennygraham.net/projects/wsg/stevio/style.css

Re: [WSG] Fix for min-max in IE

2005-08-30 Thread Al Sparber
From: Rebecca Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 1:46 AM Subject: RE: [WSG] Fix for min-max in IE Nasty - I've had this happen too;o. I think we picked one as it was OK to do either min or max width but not both. See if this

Re: [WSG] Fix for min-max in IE

2005-08-30 Thread David Hucklesby
On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 17:19:33 +1200, Rachel Radford wrote:  We have just launched a site (www.eastwoodhill.org.nz) but have  received feedback that IE for windows is crashing!!!  We have  figured out that it is a bit of Javascript making it crash – this  bit of Javascript mimicks the CSS min-max

Re: [WSG] Fix for min-max in IE [test/FYI]

2005-08-30 Thread wendy
Al Sparber wrote: See if this page presents a solution: http://www.projectseven.com/csslab/testing/minmax/cssp.htm Al Sparber PVII http://www.projectseven.com Al: I gave this a whirl on IE5.2/mac. The page continues compacting past where it should (I set it at 600px), then it reloads and

Re: [WSG] Fix for min-max in IE [IE crash FYI]

2005-08-30 Thread PRO - DA-CODE
Hi all, On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 17:19:33 +1200, Rachel Radford wrote:  We have just launched a site (www.eastwoodhill.org.nz) but have  received feedback that IE for windows is crashing!!! Just tested with my NT 5 (w2k sp4) + IE6 and it really crashes when trying to access any page via the top menu.

nested table web site example was:RE: [WSG] Fix for min-max in IE [IE crash FYI]

2005-08-30 Thread Drake, Ted C.
Wowser Da-Code person Your site is certainly artistic but ouch, you need to convert that thing to standards-based. I'm sure it's probably the cobbler's son going barefoot, but at least change your alt attributes to something more appropriate. Use alt= instead of alt=image. Look at the

[WSG] IE clips absolutely positioned element

2005-08-30 Thread scott reston
I'm working on a design using a tweak of Son of Suckerfish[1] for menus. Rather than have the menus cascade down and to the right (relatively positioned), I want the sub-menus to position in equally-sized blocks to the right (absolutely positioned). HTML: http://capstrat.com/development/example/

[WSG] IE clips absolutely positioned element

2005-08-30 Thread scott reston
I'm working on a design using a tweak of Son of Suckerfish[1] for menus. Rather than have the menus cascade down and to the right (relatively positioned), I want the sub-menus to position in equally-sized blocks to the right (absolutely positioned). HTML: http://capstrat.com/development/example/

[WSG] (sorry about the double post!) EOM

2005-08-30 Thread scott reston
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RE: [WSG] IE clips absolutely positioned element

2005-08-30 Thread Drake, Ted C.
Hi Scott I don't have an immediate answer for your problem, but I would like to suggest some more vertical padding on your lists. I found it difficult to keep focus on the links as I tried to go from second to third level. Perhaps if the link was taller it would be easier for the mouse. Ted

Re: [WSG] Two column left navigation

2005-08-30 Thread Kenny Graham
In that case: http://www.kennygraham.net/projects/wsg/stevio/index2.html style: http://www.kennygraham.net/projects/wsg/stevio/style2.css

Re: [WSG] Fix for min-max in IE [test/FYI]

2005-08-30 Thread Al Sparber
From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Al Sparber wrote: See if this page presents a solution: http://www.projectseven.com/csslab/testing/minmax/cssp.htm Al Sparber PVII http://www.projectseven.com Al: I gave this a whirl on IE5.2/mac. The page continues compacting past where it should (I set it at

RE: [WSG] Fix for min-max in IE

2005-08-30 Thread Rachel Radford
Thanks everyone for your reply, I'll try each option today... David - these are HTML 4.0 pages because of the content management it is running off... so it doesn't seem to be just an XHTML problem. Hmmm... Irina - thanks for pointing out the background stuff when javascript is turned off... will

RE: [WSG] Fix for min-max in IE - no javascript

2005-08-30 Thread Ryan Blunden
Hi Rachael, Although some may not agree with this method because of the need for multiple div wrappers, the solution at http://www.cssplay.co.uk/boxes/width2.html I think is great because it appears to work in IE5+, doesn't require any javascript and works in standards compliant browsers that

RE: [WSG] Fix for min-max in IE - no javascript

2005-08-30 Thread Ryan Blunden
Hi Rachael, Although some may not agree with this method because of the need for multiple div wrappers, the solution at http://www.cssplay.co.uk/boxes/width2.html I think is great because it appears to work in IE5+, doesn't require any javascript and works in standards compliant browsers that

RE: [WSG] Fix for min-max in IE - no javascript

2005-08-30 Thread Ryan Blunden
Hi Rachael, Although some may not agree with this method because of the need for multiple div wrappers, the solution at http://www.cssplay.co.uk/boxes/width2.html I think is great because it appears to work in IE5+, doesn't require any javascript and works in standards compliant browsers that

RE: [WSG] Fix for min-max in IE - no javascript

2005-08-30 Thread Ryan Blunden
Hi Rachael, Although some may not agree with this method because of the need for multiple div wrappers, the solution at http://www.cssplay.co.uk/boxes/width2.html I think is great because it appears to work in IE5+, doesn't require any javascript and works in standards compliant browsers that

RE: [WSG] Fix for min-max in IE - no javascript

2005-08-30 Thread Rachel Radford
Thanks Ryan, that's a great article - I love Stu Nichols stuff! But not sure how I would implement it as it is only applied on the menu items which are list-items...? But for now I have made it a fixed width - it's stopped the crashing, looks okay. Only sacrifice is that at 800 by 600 the last

[WSG] How do I combat extra padding?

2005-08-30 Thread Janelle Clemens
I had to create a table for this piece of our templates but am finding that firefox, netscape 7 and opera are adding extra padding under the images in the top row of cells. So far my fix has been to give our mozilla stylesheet margin-bottom: -4px for these images which has worked but I would

[WSG] Suckerfish nav moving page background image

2005-08-30 Thread Craig Stump
Hi all, I have an odd problem with my page background image jumping, when certain nodes on the suckerfish nav are hovered over. The site is here: http://media.compliance.org.au/home.asp If you hover over the last 2 nodes (specifically, Resources Shop, FAQ) with your browser width set to just

Re: [WSG] How do I combat extra padding?

2005-08-30 Thread Kenny Graham
I just tested out Bert's solution, and it works. Set vertical align of the images to bottom. Very nice to know, thanks Bert. :)

RE: [WSG] Suckerfish nav moving page background image

2005-08-30 Thread Buddy Quaid
I can't seem to duplicate your problem in either FF or IE Works fine for me. Buddy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Craig Stump Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 8:10 PM To: WSG Group Subject: [WSG] Suckerfish nav moving page

RE: [WSG] Suckerfish nav moving page background image

2005-08-30 Thread Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media]
-Original Message- From: Craig Stump [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 31 August 2005 11:10 AM To: WSG Group Subject: [WSG] Suckerfish nav moving page background image Hi all, I have an odd problem with my page background image jumping, when certain nodes on the

Re: [WSG] Suckerfish nav moving page background image

2005-08-30 Thread Craig Stump
Make sure you shrink the browser width down so that the flyouts would cause vertical scrollbars. On 8/31/05, Buddy Quaid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't seem to duplicate your problem in either FF or IE Works fine for me. Buddy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [WSG] Suckerfish nav moving page background image

2005-08-30 Thread Damian Sweeney
Seems fine here in FF on Mac. The flyouts cause a horizontal toolbar to appear which makes the vertical one increase, but no jumping backgrounds. Damian Make sure you shrink the browser width down so that the flyouts would cause vertical scrollbars. I have an odd problem with my page

Re: [WSG] (sorry about the double post!) EOM

2005-08-30 Thread Rick Faaberg
On 8/30/05 12:25 PM scott reston [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent this out: And now you've made it a triple. We all understand this happens. Don't apologize. Rick ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See

Re: [WSG] Suckerfish nav moving page background image

2005-08-30 Thread Craig Stump
Here's a screenshot of what I'm experiencing http://media.compliance.org.au/data/jumpy_bkg.gif Note that you also need to have the page set to the centered layout for it to happen. On 8/31/05, Damian Sweeney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seems fine here in FF on Mac. The flyouts cause a horizontal

[WSG] Opera giving away registration codes today

2005-08-30 Thread SunUp
Hi folks, For those who can't afford it, or refuse to pay it, or just want to try it add-free for free (eek, try saying that fast 3 times), Opera are giving away free registration (Mac, PC and other OSs) for today only. http://my.opera.com/community/party/reg.dml My apologies if this incurs the

Re: [WSG] Suckerfish nav moving page background image

2005-08-30 Thread Bert Doorn
G'day Here's a screenshot of what I'm experiencing http://media.compliance.org.au/data/jumpy_bkg.gif Note that you also need to have the page set to the centered layout for it to happen. Uhmmm. What do you mean with have the page set to the centered layout? Is this some obscure browser

Re: [WSG] Suckerfish nav moving page background image

2005-08-30 Thread Damian Sweeney
There's a js style switcher on the page at the top right for those with better ideas than mine: How about moving the background image info from the body to the #container in layout-centre.css? Damian G'day Here's a screenshot of what I'm experiencing