Re: [WSG] standards-happy javascript for faq

2006-01-30 Thread Anders Nawroth
http://www.nornix.com/testsidor/faq This one has very clean HTML markup. /AndersN SunUp skrev: Does anyone know of a method which will toggle the visibility of the FAQ answers while still displaying everything properly without javascript, and that adheres to current best practise for

Re: [WSG] Sitecheck: 7 Sunrise Family website [sunrisefamily.com.au]

2006-01-30 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Joshua Street wrote: Yeah, I'm not a huge fan of the URI structure either. It's running on a Zeus web server, which has some weird-ass mod_rewrite equivalent, but I'm not comfortable enough with it to use it. As for why 301 redirects, I explicitly asked for that after carefully explaining that

Re: [WSG] Sitecheck: 7 Sunrise Family website [sunrisefamily.com.au]

2006-01-30 Thread Joshua Street
On 1/30/06, Lachlan Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joshua Street wrote: I'm assured it's not going to move! I wouldn't believe that. In fact, here's a perfect example of why 301 shouldn't have been used. On Today Tonight (another 7 network program, for those of you not in Australia), the

Re: [WSG] standards-happy javascript for faq

2006-01-30 Thread Paul Novitski
At 05:44 PM 1/29/2006, SunUp wrote: Does anyone know of a method which will toggle the visibility of the FAQ answers while still displaying everything properly without javascript, and that adheres to current best practise for javascript? Hmm. The text-toggling examples folks have posted on

Re: [WSG] css flyout menu (must work in IE 5.5/ 6)?

2006-01-30 Thread leenath1
I have a simple CSS vertical menu, nothing fancy, no graphic used for background. Client wants to add extra pages in one of the menu tab, I have PV II MM2 but really prefer not to use it as it requires me to change all menu tabs and turn the css background color to graphic (unless I am

RE: [WSG] Sitecheck: 7 Sunrise Family website [sunrisefamily.com.au]

2006-01-30 Thread Jason Turnbull
Joshua Street wrote: Still keen to hear anyone's suggestions as to the Firefox 1.0.x render problem... :) http://sunrisefamily.com.au/current/content/meet/ No problems seen using Firefox 1.07 on XP Pro. Regards Jason ** The discussion list

Re: [WSG] Sitecheck: 7 Sunrise Family website [sunrisefamily.com.au]

2006-01-30 Thread Justin Carter
On 1/30/06, Joshua Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Still keen to hear anyone's suggestions as to the Firefox 1.0.x render problem... :) Josh Hi Josh, While on the topic of rendering bugs I just thought I would mention that in Opera 9 beta there is some funky stuff happening with the

Re: [WSG] Sitecheck: 7 Sunrise Family website [sunrisefamily.com.au]

2006-01-30 Thread Joshua Street
Many thanks. I'd only tested Opera in 8.5x (because, IMO, it's reasonable to assume if people are using Opera they're probably going to be people who bother upgrading their software!), so I'll be sure to take a look :-) On 1/30/06, Justin Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/30/06, Joshua Street

[WSG] Head and Title elements

2006-01-30 Thread Karl Dawson
Hi All, Another Monday, but this time two articles for the price of one. This week I've took a look at the head element and the title element. The latterturned out to be more interesting than I thought it might be, especially considering the accessibility angle. It'll be interesting to see

[WSG] Web Site Template Review

2006-01-30 Thread John S. Britsios
Dear co-members, we would kindly appreciate if you could have a look and give us a feedback on our web site redesign template, which may be viewed here: http://www.webnauts.net/redesign/ Especially we are concerned about: 1. Markup and Semantic issues; 2. OS/Browser/Screen Resolution

[WSG] Would love help from Xaraya users

2006-01-30 Thread Rhys Burnie
Im not sure how to post to the CMS list so this may be in the wrong place. Id like to know if there are any WSG members using Xaraya, and if your willing to answer a few beginers questions etc - I have been looking a documentation but would like to find out peoples opinions on the systems and

Re: [WSG] Web Site Template Review

2006-01-30 Thread Joshua Street
Two quick things. Your primary navigation list doesn't need to use pipe separators. It'd be much better to just use borders with CSS to achieve this. Also, maybe consider a skip to login as well as your skip to main content link. It makes things faster than tabbing through all the links between

Screen readers and JavaScript WAS: Re: [WSG] standards-happy javascript for faq

2006-01-30 Thread Joshua Street
On 1/30/06, Anders Nawroth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does the toggle function have to be connected to a a element, or do JS-enabled screen readers recognize onClick events attached to other elements? To add to this question, what happens where screen readers with JavaScript result in an

Re: [WSG] standards-happy javascript for faq

2006-01-30 Thread Thierry Koblentz
SunUp wrote: Hi folks, I'm doing an FAQ page, and want to make it so only the questions appear on page load, then when selected, the answers appear below them. A toggle effect. You know. I've found a couple of methods: http://www.netlobo.com/div_hiding.html

[WSG] Site Review

2006-01-30 Thread Darren West
Hello all,Please can you review and give comment on the following:http://ta.rt-ms.net/2/properties.html http://ta.rt-ms.net/2/propertydetails.htmlThanks in advanceDarren

RE: [WSG] standards-happy javascript for faq

2006-01-30 Thread Patrick Lauke
Anders Nawroth Does the toggle function have to be connected to a a element, or do JS-enabled screen readers recognize onClick events attached to other elements? The function needs to be attached to an element that receives focus, i.e. an element that users can tab to via the keyboard.

Re: [WSG] Web Site Template Review

2006-01-30 Thread leenath1
Looks like some good work has gone into this! The source is easy to read, which is handy. However, especially for accessibility, some quick things you could improve are: 1. dont use: span class=boldExternal Quality Web Sites/span - use headings instead. i.e. h3External Quality Web Sites/h3

Re: [WSG] Site Review

2006-01-30 Thread Martin Heiden
Darren, on Monday, January 30, 2006 at 12:26 wsg@webstandardsgroup.org wrote: http://ta.rt-ms.net/2/properties.html http://ta.rt-ms.net/2/propertydetails.html You've got some problems in your HTML: 1. with/height attributes of img tags don't accept units. 2. the inputs need name attributes

Re: [WSG] Site Review

2006-01-30 Thread Zach Inglis
Title: Re: [WSG] Site Review No title? Using Team makes no sense to me but maybe because its early. Join Team screams for a The in middle. Find property is above the header. I can understand accessibility options being above but Find Property? Maybe list the items (each sale block) Check the

Re: [WSG] Site Review

2006-01-30 Thread leenath1
Hi Darren, The markup look pretty slick! My only comment would be around your use of the strong element. For example: pProperty strong3/strong of strong500/strong found/p Have you ever heard a screen reader when it hits strong elements? For this reason I suggest just using a span and

Re: [WSG] Site Review

2006-01-30 Thread Darren West
Thanks Nathan,I have removed the strong elements and replaced them with a class for the price, I will have a think regarding the H3 as the context is already set and their is no other monetary data on screen. Do you have a recommended screen reader for testing?DazOn 30/01/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [WSG] Site Review

2006-01-30 Thread Darren West
Thanks Martin,I have sorted all issues highlighted apart from the DL for the address as only one item will ever appear - would DL still be appropriate? and microformats leave with me.Daz On 30/01/06, Martin Heiden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Darren,on Monday, January 30, 2006 at 12:26

Re: [WSG] css flyout menu (must work in IE 5.5/ 6)?

2006-01-30 Thread Al Sparber
From: tee [EMAIL PROTECTED] Greetings, I have a simple CSS vertical menu, nothing fancy, no graphic used for background. Client wants to add extra pages in one of the menu tab, I have PV II MM2 but really prefer not to use it as it requires me to change all menu tabs and turn the css

[WSG] Check boxes ticked (UK Law)

2006-01-30 Thread Paul Collins
Hello all I recall reading somewhere a while back that UK law states you can't have a check box ticked on a form EG- "untick this box if you don't want to receive emails" would beillegal for a UK site. Could anyone tell me if I'm right or wrong and if possible give me some credible links

Re: [WSG] Web Site Template Review

2006-01-30 Thread Christian Montoya
On 1/30/06, John S. Britsios [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Especially we are concerned about: 4. Usability. I really like the liquid layout but to make it usable, I recommend a max-width. Test different max width options and find one that gives an optimal line-length for the main content text. Use

[WSG] Display problem in IE for the PC

2006-01-30 Thread Kara Spellman
Hi, This my first website using CSS. I've gotten most of the bugs out of it except for one on the home page. For some reason the copyright caption is forcing the last 2 letters below the colored background box. Not sure why. I've messed around with the CSS, but nothing corrects it. It

Re: [WSG] Site Review

2006-01-30 Thread Stephen Stagg
Should an agent's address really be a definition list?? If you want that sort of semantic pedantry, the markup should be: block tag hxAcme Estate Agents/hx dl dtAddress/dt dd The...Housebr/ Lodge Roa...4DD/dd dtTelephone/dt dd0208

Re: [WSG] Site Review

2006-01-30 Thread Darren West
How about the list of class 'properties', should that be an un-ordered list?DazOn 30/01/06, Stephen Stagg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Should an agent's address really be a definition list?? If you want that sort of semantic pedantry, the markup should be:block taghxAcme Estate

RE: [WSG] Check boxes ticked (UK Law)

2006-01-30 Thread Giles Clark
Paul, I think you are way off topic here. If you want to contact me directly I'd be happy to help [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Paul CollinsSent: 30 January 2006 15:33To:

Re: [WSG] Site Review

2006-01-30 Thread Martin Heiden
Stephen, on Monday, January 30, 2006 at 17:01 wsg@webstandardsgroup.org wrote: Should an agent's address really be a definition list?? I only wrote that I would do it that way. If you want that sort of semantic pedantry, the markup should be: block tag hxAcme Estate Agents/hx dl

Re: [WSG] missing menu: rendering bug in Firefox?

2006-01-30 Thread Roberto Gorjão
I've solved the problem... The flash movie had the same id than its div container: I misused the flash object script from Geoff Stearns, and the CSS got mixed up. I should know better, sorry. Roberto - Roberto Gorjão wrote: Olá a todos, In this page -

Re: [WSG] standards-happy javascript for faq

2006-01-30 Thread Paul Novitski
From: Paul Novitski [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hmm. The text-toggling examples folks have posted on this topic use {display: none} to hide text. I'm under the impression that some screen readers will not speak text that's been hidden with {display: none}. At 05:04 AM 1/30/2006, Al Sparber wrote:

[WSG] IE Weirdness

2006-01-30 Thread Tom Livingston
Surprise! I am having a problem with IE6 on an internal Intranet page (hense no URL) Here's my HTML: p class=sectionstrongPRINTING/strong/p p style=background-color:#f5f6f8;a href=# target=_blankGlobal Interprint/a/p pa href=# target=_blankInternational Printers Network/a/p CSS: div#main

Re: [WSG] Display problem in IE for the PC

2006-01-30 Thread Joshua Street
Maybe give #169; a shot instead of copy; ... not certain, but it may help. Love the design, by the way. On 1/31/06, Kara Spellman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, This my first website using CSS. I've gotten most of the bugs out of it except for one on the home page. For some reason the copyright

Re: [WSG] IE Weirdness

2006-01-30 Thread Brian Cummiskey
Tom Livingston wrote: p style=background-color:#f5f6f8;a href=# target=_blankGlobal Interprint/a/p There aren't any div#main or div.links ANYWHERE in the html you pasted. I'm assuming they are outer containers. Add the !important declaration to the inline style. That should over-ride

Re: [WSG] Web Site Template Review

2006-01-30 Thread Kenny Graham
This is the only time I've ever seen a form inside a fieldset, instead of the other way around. I can't even find an example of it that way at w3.org. I know it's valid, but are there any drawbacks to doing it this way? ** The discussion list

Re: [WSG] Display problem in IE for the PC

2006-01-30 Thread Kara Spellman
Thanks for both the compliment and #169; suggestion Joshua. However, changing copy; to #169; didn't work. It's the weirdest thing. Kara On Jan 30, 2006, at 3:54 PM, Joshua Street wrote: Maybe give #169; a shot instead of copy; ... not certain, but it may help. Love the design, by the way.

Re: [WSG] IE Weirdness

2006-01-30 Thread Tom Livingston
On 1/30/06 4:02 PM, Brian Cummiskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have no suggestions for this. I despise and avoid flash as much as possible :) OK. Thanks. I think the Flash nav's life is about to end... ;-) -- Tom Livingston Senior Multimedia Artist Media Logic www.mlinc.com

[WSG] use alpha transparent png mask - was: Display problem in IE for the PC

2006-01-30 Thread Ted Drake
I like the design as well, but I think you're missing a bit of css potential. Instead of putting the fade onto your images, use a background image with alpha transparent png that sits on top of the image. The image would be solid on the outside, transparent square in the middle and have the fade

Re: [WSG] standards-happy javascript for faq

2006-01-30 Thread Christian Montoya
On 1/30/06, Paul Novitski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 05:44 PM 1/29/2006, SunUp wrote: Does anyone know of a method which will toggle the visibility of the FAQ answers while still displaying everything properly without javascript, and that adheres to current best practise for javascript?

RE: [WSG] Web Site Template Review

2006-01-30 Thread Ted Drake
A form inside a fieldset? [EMAIL PROTECTED]@[EMAIL PROTECTED] Come on everyone, where's the outrage? I remember trying to use a fieldset outside a form and had to don the asbestos fire suit. Seriously, I don't see any benefit to putting the fieldset outside a form. I would assume it's just

Re: [WSG] IE Weirdness

2006-01-30 Thread Tom Livingston
On 1/30/06 4:02 PM, Brian Cummiskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Add the !important declaration to the inline style. That should over-ride the stylesheet: Adding !important had no effect. Still on the hunt... -- Tom Livingston Senior Multimedia Artist Media Logic www.mlinc.com

Re: [WSG] Display problem in IE for the PC

2006-01-30 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Kara Spellman wrote: For some reason the copyright caption is forcing the last 2 letters below the colored background box. http://www.stevenmaslach.com/home.htm (home page) Remove this comment ( just above div id=content ) from source-code... !-- InstanceEndEditable -- ...and the

Re: [WSG] standards-happy javascript for faq

2006-01-30 Thread Al Sparber
From: Paul Novitski [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sorry, but aren't these apples oranges? The triggering event is one thing, the disappearing technique another. What I'm reading (or perhaps misreading) is that even screen readers that respond to the onclick method might not present text that's

Re: [WSG] Display problem in IE for the PC

2006-01-30 Thread Kara Spellman
Thanks Georg! That did the trick. Kara On Jan 30, 2006, at 4:27 PM, Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: Kara Spellman wrote: For some reason the copyright caption is forcing the last 2 letters below the colored background box. http://www.stevenmaslach.com/home.htm (home page) Remove this comment (

[WSG] Failed Redesign and the Media

2006-01-30 Thread Kat
In the AustralianIT there is an article about the new redesign of the Sunbeam website (www.sunbeam.com.au). I looked it up and it seems to fit Joe Clark's description of a Failed Redesign. http://australianit.news.com.au/articles/0,7204,17957834%5E24169%5E%5Enbv%5E,00.html My question is:

Re: [WSG] Failed Redesign and the Media

2006-01-30 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Kat wrote: In the AustralianIT there is an article about the new redesign of the Sunbeam website (www.sunbeam.com.au). I looked it up and it seems to fit Joe Clark's description of a Failed Redesign. http://australianit.news.com.au/articles/0,7204,17957834%5E24169%5E%5Enbv%5E,00.html Yes,

[WSG] Equal Height Columns vanishing in IE

2006-01-30 Thread Seona Bellamy
Hi guys, I'm using the Equal Height Columns technique from PIE's 'One True Layout', along with the Any Order Columns technique from the same. It works fine in Firefox, and used to work fine in IE, too. That was when I was using the Jello Mold technique to size the site. Now, however, the word

Re: [WSG] Check boxes ticked (UK Law)

2006-01-30 Thread Jixor - Stephen I
I believe this question would fall within the scope of this group. Anyway I would be very interested to know the answer to this, with a link to the related legislation. Giles Clark wrote: Paul, I think you are way off topic here. If you want to contact me directly I'd be happy to help

Re: [WSG] Check boxes ticked (UK Law)

2006-01-30 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
On 31 Jan 2006, at 12:33 am, Paul Collins wrote: I recall reading somewhere a while back that UK law states you can't have a check box ticked on a form EG - untick this box if you don't want to receive emails would be illegal for a UK site. That would be European Community law, not only

Re: [WSG] Check boxes ticked (UK Law)

2006-01-30 Thread Joshua Street
Just out of curiosity, what about Tick this box if you don't want to receive massive amounts of spam? Is it really anti-checked box, or anti-default-opt-in? Seems pretty... open to abuse and/or re-interpretation, unless it's the latter. On 1/31/06, Philippe Wittenbergh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [WSG] Check boxes ticked (UK Law)

2006-01-30 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Richard Czeiger wrote: I agree - I think the areas of Web Standards and Best Practices should go side by side. If one country has decided to actually legislate on something then it's at least worth discussing. I fail to see how the UK's anti-spam law is relevant to web standards...but

[WSG] HTML Restructuring of hopkinsprogramming.net

2006-01-30 Thread Hopkins Programming
Hello all! I re-did my website (http://www.hopkinsprogramming.net/) a while back in an effort to update its look and improve the quality of the coding behind it. Right now, it looks perfect, just like I want it to. But, I need to improve/clean up the XHTML coding behind it - eg, properly

Re: [WSG] Check boxes ticked (UK Law)

2006-01-30 Thread Jude Robinson
Paul Collins wrote: Could anyone tell me if I'm right or wrong and if possible give me some credible links to back this up? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/01/26/prior_consent_does_not_mean/ Kind of right, kind of wrong :) ** The

[WSG] Alternate Navigation

2006-01-30 Thread Chris Kennon
Hi, It appears that a bid may be lost due to a client insisting on FLASH being used for navigation. The concern from this end is if FLASH is not installed or broken the entire site is DOA (Dead On Arrival). With the use of the object tag is it possible to include an alternate ul

Re: [WSG] Check boxes ticked (UK Law)

2006-01-30 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
To quickly follow up, before the thread gets presumably closed for being way off topic: Patrick H. Lauke wrote: The Directive on Privacy and Electronic Communications (2002/58/EC) http://www.dti.gov.uk/industries/ecommunications/directive_on_privacy_electronic_communications_200258ec.html

Re: [WSG] Failed Redesign and the Media

2006-01-30 Thread heretic
My question is: is web-standards really considered a part of the professionalism of web people considering that even the IT media (AustralianIT) ignores this aspect? Well, yes. The IT Media really haven't caught on to standards. That doesn't mean web professionals haven't, or shouldn't. I'd

Re: [WSG] Alternate Navigation

2006-01-30 Thread Chris Kennon
Hi Patrick, This requires further research, but many issues may have been resolved in the Accessibility Panel within FLASH. Return True, Christopher Kennon Principal/Designer/Programmer -Bushidodeep http://bushidodeep.com/ __ Knowing is not enough, you must

Re: [WSG] Failed Redesign and the Media

2006-01-30 Thread Samuel Richardson
Have a look at the Clear Blue Day site with flash disabled: http://www.richardson.co.nz/cbd.gif That's some quality web designing there alright! heretic wrote: My question is: is web-standards really considered a part of the professionalism of web people considering that even the IT media

Re: [WSG] Sitecheck: 7 Sunrise Family website [sunrisefamily.com.au]

2006-01-30 Thread Joshua Street
Mmm, just had a look in latest Opera 9 beta and concluded that it's most definitely beta software for a reason ;-) On another page, overflow:auto doesn't work because there are floating form elements, which the engine doesn't seem to want to let layout push down (because, obviously, things are

Re: [WSG] Failed Redesign and the Media

2006-01-30 Thread Kat
Kat wrote: Maybe there is a member of Clear Blue Day here on this list and can explain why they have chosen what they have? I sent an email with questions about two of their decisions : why table-based layout and why not include character encoding? Their answer was that they used the

Re: [WSG] Failed Redesign and the Media

2006-01-30 Thread matt andrews
On 31/01/06, Kat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kat wrote: Their answer was that they used the table-based layout because they did not like the way style sheets render in IE, and that encoding is not utilised for search engine reasons. Wow. Those guys *really* have some catching up to do.

[WSG] No style

2006-01-30 Thread Taco Fleur - Pacific Fox
Is there any way to specify in CSS that a certain area is to have no style at all. Let's say I have my global style sheet where I style my ph1 etc. but on one page I have a div with id #editableArea I want that div to have no style applied that is defined in the style sheet, is that

Re: [WSG] Failed Redesign and the Media

2006-01-30 Thread Christian Montoya
On 1/31/06, Kat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I sent an email with questions about two of their decisions : why table-based layout and why not include character encoding? Their answer was that they used the table-based layout because they did not like the way style sheets render in IE, and that

Moral High-horse - was Re: [WSG] Failed Redesign and the Media

2006-01-30 Thread Lachlan Hardy
Christian Montoya wrote: Please send Clear Blue Day another e-mail and ask them if they have any dinosaurs in their office. This is not intended as an attack on Christian, nor anyone else. Not at all. I'm dead serious on that However, the comment above has reminded me of an attitude I see