[WSG] Miranda Cook is out of the office

2007-08-22 Thread Miranda . Cook
I will be out of the office starting 20/08/2007 and will not return until 27/08/2007. In my absence, for Web assistance please email [EMAIL PROTECTED] or call x46001. NOTICE - This message is intended only for

Re: [WSG] IE, alpha transparency and sliding doors...

2007-08-22 Thread M. Jama
There is a way to do that but it won't be CSS valid, since you'd have to use custom mozilla transparency and since the child will inherit the transparency properties make it outside the transparent div and movie it with position left right top and bottom, that should work I have a site that should

Re: [WSG] IE, alpha transparency and sliding doors...

2007-08-22 Thread Rick Lecoat
/Slightly/ off-thread, but... On 21/8/07 (04:02) Joseph said: Safari will sometimes show a different hue of your color than other browsers will when .png images set as backgrounds. I believe that this is a product of PNGs containing a built-in gamma profile; many browsers ignore it (as they

[WSG] When is invalid CSS okay?

2007-08-22 Thread Rick Lecoat
This is probably one of those questions that divides the audience (no, it doesn't involve brussel sprouts), but here goes: As exponents of web standards, we all know that one of the bedrock basics is that our code should validate -- both (x)html and css. But we also know that IE(win) is something

Re: [WSG] When is invalid CSS okay?

2007-08-22 Thread M. Jama
Hey rick, This happened to me as I mentioned in the last issue, and When I spoke to my client and explained to him the reason he accepted it and chosen design and cross browser compatibility to complete valid CSS and the only thing that doesn't validate is the mozilla custom opacity: Parse Error

RE: [WSG] When is invalid CSS okay?

2007-08-22 Thread michael.brockington
Are you serving up your hacked stylesheet to everyone, or just to those crippled by IE? The latter is far more acceptable than the former, in my opinion. Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Lecoat Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007

Re: [WSG] When is invalid CSS okay?

2007-08-22 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Rick Lecoat wrote: So, is it considered 'okay', in a web standards sense, to have a non- valid bug-fixes stylesheet working alongside your perfect, pristine, uiber-valid main stylesheet? It is considered bad, but necessary and therefore acceptable by most web designers/developers. To give

Re: [WSG] When is invalid CSS okay?

2007-08-22 Thread James Jeffery
If its only to get around bugs in IE then id also have to say its ok, its the not the developers fault bill gates still cannot get anything right (well not bill gates but his developers, seen as he has shown alot of interest in web standards, his browsers still suck). Anything apart from this id

Re: [WSG] When is invalid CSS okay?

2007-08-22 Thread Rick Lecoat
On 22/8/07 (12:12) [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Are you serving up your hacked stylesheet to everyone, or just to those crippled by IE? The latter is far more acceptable than the former, in my opinion. Just the victims of IE. I'm of the opinion that hacks -- ie. workarounds exploiting browser bugs

Re: [WSG] When is invalid CSS okay?

2007-08-22 Thread Rick Lecoat
On 22/8/07 (12:12) Georg said: It is considered bad, but necessary and therefore acceptable by most web designers/developers. That's what I thought, Georg, but it's good to hear it confirmed -- seeing as how we don't live in that 'ideal world' that I keep hearing so much about. 'Conditional

Re: [WSG] When is invalid CSS okay?

2007-08-22 Thread Barney Carroll
Rick, The key thing to consider is this: • Invalid *ML will force browsers into defective behaviour. If your markup isn't written according to the very clear spec, the browser has to make assumptions. Different browsers make different assumptions at different times – you are leaving yourself

Re: [WSG] When is invalid CSS okay?

2007-08-22 Thread Rick Lecoat
On 22/8/07 (12:57) Barney said: ? Invalid *ML will force browsers into defective behaviour. If your markup isn't written according to the very clear spec, the browser has to make assumptions. Different browsers make different assumptions at different times - you are leaving yourself open to

[WSG] inability to line up elements in a print style sheet

2007-08-22 Thread Rachel Campbell
Hi List http://actemp.sipu.anglia.ac.uk/steve/transcript/d59.html My colleague is trying to produce a print style sheet for IE only for a page of student results which will vary considerably in length from one student to another. He's using JS to work out how much of the table can be displayed

RE: [WSG] inability to line up elements in a print style sheet

2007-08-22 Thread michael.brockington
You may want to double-check you maths - I make it around 800px high at 72dpi: 295mm / 25.4mm = 11 inches * 72 dpi ~ 800px after margins. Mike From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rachel Campbell Sent: Wednesday,

Re: [WSG] When is invalid CSS okay?

2007-08-22 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Rick Lecoat wrote: [..] However, I'm curious about why your personal preference is for NOT using Conditional Comments; you seem to equate them with trying to hide embarrassing non-valid code, and I'm sure that some designers might use them for that. The hiding effect gained by 'CC' is used

RE: [WSG] When is invalid CSS okay?

2007-08-22 Thread Philip Kiff
Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: The real reason for me to not use 'CC' for separation, is that the versioning goes on on HTML level and adds unnecessary garbage to every single page. If you happen to be designing an XHTML site and decide you want to use server-side scripting to deliver your pages as

Re: [WSG] When is invalid CSS okay?

2007-08-22 Thread Rick Lecoat
On 22/8/07 (14:41) Georg said: The real reason for me to not use 'CC' for separation, is that the versioning goes on on HTML level and adds unnecessary garbage to every single page. That's a very good point. And, I was about to follow it up with I wish there was a way to use conditional

Re: [WSG] IE, alpha transparency and sliding doors...

2007-08-22 Thread David Hucklesby
On 21/8/07 (04:02) Joseph said: Safari will sometimes show a different hue of your color than other browsers will when .png images set as backgrounds. On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 1, Rick Lecoat replied: /Slightly/ off-thread, but... I believe that this is a product of PNGs containing a built-in

Re: [WSG] IE, alpha transparency and sliding doors...

2007-08-22 Thread David Hucklesby
On 21/8/07 (04:02) Joseph said: Safari will sometimes show a different hue of your color than other browsers will when .png images set as backgrounds. On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 1, Rick Lecoat replied: /Slightly/ off-thread, but... I believe that this is a product of PNGs containing a built-in

Re: [WSG] When is invalid CSS okay?

2007-08-22 Thread David Hucklesby
On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 11:27:11 +0100, Rick Lecoat wrote: [...] So, is it considered 'okay', in a web standards sense, to have a non- valid bug-fixes stylesheet working alongside your perfect, pristine, uiber-valid main stylesheet? Personally, after working with separate style sheets for IE,

Re: [WSG] When is invalid CSS okay?

2007-08-22 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On 23 Aug 2007, at 3:07 AM, David Hucklesby wrote: After all, if I write about the Sheraton Centre in Manhattan, my U.S. spell checker tells me I misspelled Centre. So do I change the spelling? I think not. Hmm. Interesting example. 'Sheraton Center' is a placename - a proper noun. Have

Re: [WSG] IE, alpha transparency and sliding doors...

2007-08-22 Thread Andrew Maben
On Aug 22, 2007, at 1:00 PM, David Hucklesby wrote: ...all the gunk with which Adobe products infest PNG files. I may be mistaken here, but I think the gunk can be dispensed with by using Save For Web rather than simply Save or Save As. Although it may be gunk on the web, this information

Re: [WSG] IE, alpha transparency and sliding doors...

2007-08-22 Thread Rick Lecoat
On 22/8/07 (20:15) Andrew said: I may be mistaken here, but I think the gunk can be dispensed with by using Save For Web rather than simply Save or Save As. I believe that a PNG's gamma information is retained in a Save For Web operation -- certainly I've seen colour casts in PNGs that I've

[WSG] Looking for feedback on a Fireworks plugin for generating accessible sprite navigation

2007-08-22 Thread Andrew Ingram
Hi all, Half of this is a plug and half of this is a call for testing and suggestions for improvement. I've been developing a command panel for Fireworks that generates the HTML and CSS for a horizontal menu that uses the sprite-background technique for hover/active states. Obvious examples

Re: [WSG] When is invalid CSS okay?

2007-08-22 Thread Stuart Foulstone
If it's name was Sheraton Center that's how it should be spelt. -- Stuart Foulstone. http://www.bigeasyweb.co.uk BigEasy Web Design 69 Flockton Court Rockingham Street Sheffield S1 4EB Tel. 07751 413451 On Wed, August 22, 2007 6:07 pm, David Hucklesby wrote: On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 11:27:11