RE: [WSG] How do you cater to users with disabilities?

2011-08-23 Thread Mike Kear
The conclusion I am coming to, with 5 days since I asked this and no-one actually saying they do ANYTHING to cater for people with disabilities, is that even after all this time, no one really spends much time thinking about users with special needs, other than to code to standards and hope that

RE: [WSG] How do you cater to users with disabilities?

2011-08-23 Thread Julie Romanowski
Mike, maybe you should have worded your question a little differently. At my company, we don't approach accessibility as catering to users with disabilities, but we work toward making applications accessible to the greatest number of users possible. No application will ever be 100% accessible,

Re: [WSG] How do you cater to users with disabilities?

2011-08-23 Thread Felix Miata
On 2011/08/23 15:11 (GMT) Julie Romanowski julie.romanowski.l...@statefarm.com composed: To answer your question - Sticking to standards is not enough. Accessibility and usability testing are critical. At my company, we have both an accessibility lab and a usability lab. We have accessibility

RE: [WSG] How do you cater to users with disabilities?

2011-08-23 Thread Foskett, Mike
I have to agree with Julie here. Working for the largest UK retailer we pay a lot of attention to accessibility. Currently reviewing http://www.tesco.com/ in response to only five minor issues raised by the RNIB accessibility report. The way we state it is web standards and validation are the

RE: [WSG] How do you cater to users with disabilities?

2011-08-23 Thread Julie Romanowski
Sad, but true, Felix. We know State Farm Bank (among other sites/applications) has accessibility issues and are working with the support area to resolve them. Unfortunately, changes like this take time. Unfortunately, there are people in every organization who don't like change, and a couple

Re: [WSG] How do you cater to users with disabilities?

2011-08-23 Thread David Laakso
On 8/23/11 3:53 AM, Mike Kear wrote: Mike Kear http://afpwebworks.com Setting the fonts at user default and ditching Verdana is the first place to start... *** List Guidelines:

Re: [WSG] How do you cater to users with disabilities?

2011-08-23 Thread Hassan Schroeder
On 8/23/11 12:53 AM, Mike Kear wrote: I guess it's going to take another law suit like that one against the Olympics2000 site to get anyone to take users with special needs seriously and actually lift a finger to cater to their needs. What would that lift a finger actually consist of? I'm

Re: [WSG] How do you cater to users with disabilities?

2011-08-23 Thread Felix Miata
On 2011/08/23 16:35 (GMT) Julie Romanowski composed: Sad, but true, Felix. We know State Farm Bank (among other sites/applications) has accessibility issues and are working with the support area to resolve them. Unfortunately, changes like this take time. Unfortunately, there are people in

Re: [WSG] How do you cater to users with disabilities?

2011-08-23 Thread Teddy Knoy
I am not part of this conversation and don't understand why I received this e-mail. Ted Knoy On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 11:11 PM, Julie Romanowski julie.romanowski.l...@statefarm.com wrote: Mike, maybe you should have worded your question a little differently. At my company, we don't approach

Re: [WSG] How do you cater to users with disabilities?

2011-08-23 Thread Chris F.A. Johnson
On Tue, 23 Aug 2011, David Laakso wrote: On 8/23/11 3:53 AM, Mike Kear wrote: Mike Kear http://afpwebworks.com Setting the fonts at user default Absolutely! and ditching Verdana is the first place to start... Totally irrelevant. There is nothing wrong with Verdana; it is only

Re: [WSG] How do you cater to users with disabilities?

2011-08-23 Thread David Laakso
On 8/23/11 2:07 PM, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: On Tue, 23 Aug 2011, David Laakso wrote: On 8/23/11 3:53 AM, Mike Kear wrote: Mike Kear http://afpwebworks.com Setting the fonts at user default Absolutely! and ditching Verdana is the first place to start... Totally irrelevant.

Re: [WSG] How do you cater to users with disabilities?

2011-08-23 Thread Tom Ditmars
On 2011-08-23 19:12, David Laakso wrote: It is relevant only if you are one of the few on the planet who are concerned with typography and see Verdana for what it is at default: pug-ugly. While that might be your opinion, it's not necessarily relevant to the topic of this discussion: Usability

Re: [WSG] How do you cater to users with disabilities?

2011-08-23 Thread David Laakso
On 8/23/11 7:32 PM, Tom Ditmars wrote: On 2011-08-23 19:12, David Laakso wrote: It is relevant only if you are one of the few on the planet who are concerned with typography and see Verdana for what it is at default: pug-ugly. While that might be your opinion, it's not necessarily relevant to

Re: [WSG] adobe tools that works well with jaws?

2011-08-23 Thread Jay Tanna
You are doing an online course and yet you don't know how to find out what is included in the Web design suite! How about going to Adobe's website and do your own research? You never know this could help you fine tune your research skills. Do we also have to give you the Adobe's website

RE: [WSG] How do you cater to users with disabilities? [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2011-08-23 Thread Karen . Conyers
Hi Mike, Please forgive me if I am being repetitive as I have not read all of the replies to your question. I have worked in commonwealth government for several years, so can only give you a perspective from that angle. All commonwealth and State Government departments must now comply with

[WSG] adobe cs5 web premium

2011-08-23 Thread Marvin Hunkin
hi. well i did find the web page and did see what is in it. so, which products in the web premium version is acessible with screen readers. i know illustrator and photo shop is probably not acessible with jaws, but what about fireowrks, i know dream weaver is, and what about flash. marvin.

Re: [WSG] How do you cater to users with disabilities?

2011-08-23 Thread tee
Then this will do... body { font-family: sans-serif; } If you ever do this, I strongly suggest you test it on older Windows System. tee *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe:

Re: [WSG] adobe cs5 web premium

2011-08-23 Thread tee
Marvin, Why not send an email or call Adobe Inc? Unless someone has already used the Adobe products with screen readers, nobody can give you answer except Adobe. Quite honestly, Adobe targets its products to visual oriented designers, not screen reader's users, so I will be surprised if it

Re: [WSG] How do you cater to users with disabilities?

2011-08-23 Thread David Laakso
On 8/23/11 10:32 PM, tee wrote: Then this will do... body { font-family: sans-serif; } If you ever do this, I strongly suggest you test it on older Windows System. tee Each and everyone of you win. I give-up. I have taken a coil of rope to the woods. Farewell.

Re: [WSG] How do you cater to users with disabilities? [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2011-08-23 Thread Chad Kelly
On 8/24/2011 10:29 AM, karen.cony...@immi.gov.au wrote: Hi Mike, Please forgive me if I am being repetitive as I have not read all of the replies to your question. I have worked in commonwealth government for several years,

[WSG] web accessibility with adobe tools

2011-08-23 Thread Marvin Hunkin
hi. well trying to use adobe online system is a bit of a pain, and having to jump via hoops. so did find their number in australia. so will rin on friday, and see what they say about accessibility in their tools. marvin. ***