Re: [WSG] css tutorial

2010-01-14 Thread Frank Palinkas
Hi Marvin. Also, please try our Opera Web Standards Curriculum section 27 entitled CSS basics, written and contributed by Christian Heilmann. Here is the hyperlink to it: http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/27-css-basics/ Hope this helps you out a bit, Med vennlig hilsen / Kind regards, Frank

Re: [WSG] Deprecated start for lists confirmation

2009-11-10 Thread Frank Palinkas
Hi Kevin, If you wish to write HTML5, the start attribute has been rescued from its deprecated state and may be used when needed. Here is the HTML5 working draft describing it: http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/semantics.html#attr-ol-start Validating HTML5: W3C:

Re: [WSG] Ordered list start value

2009-09-28 Thread Frank Palinkas
Hi T. R., Unless you are writing HTML5, @start is deprecated and will not vaildate. To solve this, please have a look at David Storey's article: http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/automatic-numbering-with-css-counters/ Hope this helps, Med vennlig hilsen / Kind regards, Frank M. Palinkas

Re: [WSG] The 'Some Links for Light Reading' posts

2009-09-23 Thread Frank Palinkas
Indeed. Spot on Captain! Med vennlig hilsen / Kind regards, Frank M. Palinkas Technical Writer, Opera Software Documentation Localization Core Engineering Consumer Products Mobile: (+47) 95 17 61 11 http://dev.opera.com/articles/accessibility/ On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 7:52 AM,

Re: [WSG] Website Creation Documentation Standards

2009-05-05 Thread Frank Palinkas
, The content of your message did not show up, only your closing and signature. Lorrie Frank Palinkas wrote: Med vennlig hilsen / Kind regards, Frank M. Palinkas Technical Writer, Opera Software http://dev.opera.com/articles/accessibility

Re: [WSG] Website Creation Documentation Standards

2009-05-02 Thread Frank Palinkas
Med vennlig hilsen / Kind regards, Frank M. Palinkas Technical Writer, Opera Software http://dev.opera.com/articles/accessibility/ On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 6:38 PM, Lorrie Laskey lrmal...@bellsouth.netwrote: List, I am a web designer as a hobby and have run into a situation where I am not

Re: [WSG] Website Creation Documentation Standards

2009-05-02 Thread Frank Palinkas
Med vennlig hilsen / Kind regards, Frank M. Palinkas Technical Writer, Opera Software http://dev.opera.com/articles/accessibility/ On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 6:38 PM, Lorrie Laskey lrmal...@bellsouth.netwrote: List, I am a web designer as a hobby and have run into a situation where I am not

Re: [WSG] website for handheld devices

2009-03-24 Thread Frank Palinkas
Hi Naveen, Please take a look at the following Dev Opera articles on mobile web development: http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/designing-and-developing-mobile-web-site/ http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/designing-and-developing-mobile-web-site-1/

Re: [WSG] Accessible popup help

2009-03-03 Thread Frank Palinkas
Hi Clare, Please see if this, or any part of it will be of help: http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/accessible-context-sensitive-help-with-u/ There are two formats described with working examples and code samples. Hope this may be of help. Med vennlig hilsen / Kind regards, Frank M. Palinkas

Re: [WSG] IE and the button element

2009-02-23 Thread Frank Palinkas
IMHO, not very semantic in nature. We need the button element to be able to carry a valid link-type attribute. Enclosing it in a form just don't cut it. It must be able to stand by itself as an alternative means to activate a hyperlink, as another aspect of its functionality. Med vennlig hilsen /

Re: [WSG] IE and the button element

2009-02-23 Thread Frank Palinkas
[mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] *On Behalf Of *Frank Palinkas *Sent:* 23 February 2009 12:56 *To:* wsg@webstandardsgroup.org *Subject:* Re: [WSG] IE and the button element IMHO, not very semantic in nature. We need the button element to be able to carry a valid link-type attribute. Enclosing

[WSG] Announcement: Molly Holzschlag joins Opera Software

2009-02-15 Thread Frank Palinkas
Hi All, For your guide, Molly Holzschlag, a well-known Web standards advocate, instructor, and author has joined the Opera Software team. Please refer to Molly's blog for her own thoughts on this at: http://www.molly.com/2009/02/13/i-am-an-opera-singer/ Med vennlig hilsen / Kind regards, Frank

[WSG] Validating (X)HTML + ARIA

2009-01-19 Thread Frank Palinkas
Hi All, If you haven't seen this yet, it may be of practical use when and if needed: Validating (X)HTML + ARIA: http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/?p=107 Written by Steve Faulkner, Technical Director - TPG (The Paciello Group) Europe, Director - Web Accessibility Tools Consortium from his blog.

Re: [WSG] HTML/XHTML/XML - Question about the future of.

2008-11-20 Thread Frank Palinkas
To follow up on Micky, Christian and Rimantas, here's the latest info on HTML 5: HTML 5 Draft Recommendation — 20 November 2008: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/ The Web Developer's Guide to HTML 5 - W3C Editor's Draft 19 November 2008 (written by my colleague,

Re: [WSG] Dev. For Mobile Browsers

2008-09-14 Thread Frank Palinkas
James, please take a look here: http://dev.opera.com/articles/mobile/ This is a collecton of developer articles on mobile technology at the dev.opera.com. Kind regards, Frank M. Palinkas QA Documentation/Technical Writer Opera Software ASA, Oslo, Norway http://www.opera.com/

Re: [WSG] Mobile graded browser support

2008-07-23 Thread Frank Palinkas
If I may add to David's info, please check these sixteen mobile web articles/tutorials on dev.opera.com. They may be of help: http://dev.opera.com/articles/mobile/ Frank M. Palinkas QA Documentation/Technical Writer Opera Software ASA, Oslo, Norway http://www.opera.com/

Re: [WSG] Book ideas for updating skills to modern html xhtml standards

2008-07-15 Thread Frank Palinkas
Hi Michael, Although not in book format, Opera Software has released The Web Standards Curriculum which can be found at: http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/1-introduction-to-the-web-standards-cur/ This may be of reference and help. Kind regards, Frank M. Palinkas Opera Software

Re: [WSG] Opera opacity bug

2008-07-15 Thread Frank Palinkas
Hi Tee, As James mentioned, what is the Bug Report number (#) you were issued with? I'll follow up here for you. Kind regards, Frank On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 11:58 PM, tee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I posted a message about Opera bug last december and filed a bug report. Recently I discovered

Re: [WSG] Mobile phone support of CSS

2008-06-24 Thread Frank Palinkas
Hi Paul, There are fifteen articles here on designing, etc. for Opera Mobile and Opera Mini. http://dev.opera.com/articles/mobile/ Hope this may be of help. Kind regards, Frank Palinkas Opera Software On 6/24/08, Paul Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I'm trying to find

Re: [WSG] Form best practice

2008-04-21 Thread Frank Palinkas
Hi Jens-Uwe, Apologies for the late reply - I'm in the middle of an inter-continental move from Johannesburg to Oslo. If I can help, please take a look at my article on dev.opera.com - Accessible Context Sensitive Help with Unobtrusive DOM Scripting:

Re: [WSG] Dreamweaver CS3

2008-04-04 Thread Frank Palinkas
Hi James, It may also be worth looking at Microsoft's Visual Studio 2008 Web Designer Express Edition - it's completely free (It has nothing to do with the Expression series of tools). It has IDE Source Code Editors for (X)HTML, XML, CSS, and JavaScript, etc. You can also download the limited

[WSG] Good News and longdesc info

2008-02-02 Thread Frank Palinkas
Hi folks, After almost two months of phone interviews and written tests, late yesterday I received an offer from Opera, Oslo for the Technical Writer position they had open. I'm still in shock. Some of you know I've been trying to get out of here for a while, and finally the work has paid off.

RE: [WSG] Good News and longdesc info

2008-02-02 Thread Frank Palinkas
Thanks Kate! One thing I failed to mention: the value of being a member of this list is priceless. Kind regards, Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of kate Sent: 02 February 2008 03:25 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re:

RE: [WSG] Behavior Effecting Presentation or Structure - Precedence?

2008-01-07 Thread Frank Palinkas
, 2008 9:54 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Behavior Effecting Presentation or Structure - Precedence? Frank Palinkas wrote: Am I correct in thinking that behavior should target structure first, and if necessary, presentation second? Frank, when you have a choice I don't

RE: [WSG] Behavior Effecting Presentation or Structure - Precedence?

2008-01-07 Thread Frank Palinkas
Hi Kevin, and thanks. I think I've found a simpler way to handle this. Please see my next reply to Chris Knowles. Kind regards, Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of kevin mcmonagle Sent: Monday, 07 January, 2008 10:57 AM To:

RE: [WSG] Behavior Effecting Presentation or Structure - Precedence?

2008-01-07 Thread Frank Palinkas
Hi Chris, (My apologies to the list moderators if this is getting to Behavior orientated.) If so, then I'm not sure there's ever really a choice. e.g. in your example you would need to use both methods to cover a) and b): a) would need you to set the style to display: none and b) would need

RE: [WSG] Behavior Effecting Presentation or Structure - Precedence?

2008-01-07 Thread Frank Palinkas
Brilliant! Thank you Chris. Frank, try this... if (typeof document.removeChild != undefined) { var div = document.getElementById(remove); div.parentNode.removeChild(div); } else { document.getElementById(remove).style.display = none; } if you're doing a lot of checking throughout

[WSG] Behavior Effecting Presentation or Structure - Precedence?

2008-01-06 Thread Frank Palinkas
Hi All, I hope everyone has had a pleasant, restful and blessed holiday. May I pose a question regarding the Behavior layer with its intended effect on presentation or structure? I'm looking for an answer according to best practice and standards, as to which layer should we target to achieve a

RE: [WSG] Opera files antitrust against MS: standards one part

2007-12-15 Thread Frank Palinkas
To follow up on David's message to us, here's a video from Opera Watch featuring Hakon Wium Lie (co-father of CSS and a principal owner of Opera) on the subject at hand. http://operawatch.com/news/2007/12/opera-cto-talks-about-the-operas-antitrust -complaint-against-microsoft-video.html My

RE: [WSG] RE: Disabling Fonts in Font Stacks

2007-11-30 Thread Frank Palinkas
Hi Philippe, How can we encourage the other (non-Mozilla) browser manufacturers to add support for this very useful feature? If I understand your question, please download, install, and have a look at Opera (release version 9.4). The tool I think you're looking for can be found by going to:

RE: [WSG] Appropriate use of the ABBR tag and Roman Numerals

2007-11-29 Thread Frank Palinkas
May I just follow on to Patrick's astute advice. A very common misconception standards/accessibility designers/developers have is that the title attribute, regardless of the element it resides in, is turned on/activated by default in most assistive technology devices. It's not. From my experience

RE: [WSG] Colour Blindness Statistics

2007-11-11 Thread Frank Palinkas
Hi Rahul, If it will help, please see my new Fast Track tutorial, Building Accessible Static Navigation with CSS at my web page: http://frank.helpware.net. The markup and css of the navigation section is graphically explained with design emphasis being directed to color blind, hard-of-seeing and

[WSG] 3 New Fast Track Tutorials

2007-11-07 Thread Frank Palinkas
Hi All, For those who may be interested, I've published three new Fast Track tutorials to the http://frank.helpware.net site: Building Accessible Static Navigation with CSS Calling Accessible Context-Sensitive Help with Unobtrusive DOM/JavaScript * Creating Auto-line Numbered Code Blocks with

[WSG] Silverlight Followup - Silverlight 1.1 Alpha

2007-11-06 Thread Frank Palinkas
For those who may be interested and haven't seen this yet, here's the address to a CodeProject article on Silverlight 1.1 Alpha: http://www.codeproject.com/useritems/SLFun.asp The 1.1 Alpha now incorporates the use of C# managed code and ASP.Net. Kind regards, Frank M. Palinkas Microsoft

RE: [WSG] javascript help

2007-10-31 Thread Frank Palinkas
Alexander, What good will it do you if the correct answers are supplied and you have absolutely no concept as to why they are correct? Time to do some research, study, and experimentation, like everyone else. Kind regards, Frank From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On

RE: [WSG] SilverLight

2007-10-30 Thread Frank Palinkas
findings yet. Kind regards, Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christian Montoya Sent: Tuesday, 30 October, 2007 7:48 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] SilverLight On 10/30/07, Frank Palinkas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote

RE: [WSG] SilverLight

2007-10-30 Thread Frank Palinkas
/* And where we can't make a decision on your behalf, we offer a quick way to set up accessibility through our tools. */ Concerning AJAX and Silverlight - I only pray that their interpretation ARIA is not just another opera solo. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL

RE: [WSG] Re: WSG Digest

2007-10-29 Thread Frank Palinkas
the DOM elements before they are displayed? And...yes, please - I'd love to get the zip. I will try to upload an example of my approach and send you the URL one evening this week. Cheers, Simon * From: Frank Palinkas [EMAIL

RE: [WSG] SilverLight

2007-10-29 Thread Frank Palinkas
Interesting. Some observations. I downloaded and installed the Silverlight SDK 1.0. I built the example project in VS 2005 running on WinXP Pro SP2 with no problems. However, it would be better to run this on Vista with the Orcas Beta (VS 2008) because of the generic XAML, WPF and .Net 3.0 and

RE: [WSG] Toggle L2 menu items (within WCAG)

2007-10-28 Thread Frank Palinkas
Hi Simon, I’m working on a similar issue using unobtrusive DOM/JavaScript to produce the expand/collapse effect of nested unordered list items in a navigation tree structure. This method (related containers) allows activation by both mouse and keyboard, and the expanded nested list items

RE: [WSG] Title attribute and screen readers

2007-10-24 Thread Frank Palinkas
Hi Steve, If I may follow on to Rebecca's query and based your reply, is it then considered good practice (in general) _not_ to add title attributes and values to hyperlinks? Kind regards, Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steven

RE: [WSG] Title attribute and screen readers

2007-10-24 Thread Frank Palinkas
), then don't place it in the title attribute on links. On 24/10/2007, Frank Palinkas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Steve, If I may follow on to Rebecca's query and based your reply, is it then considered good practice (in general) _not_ to add title attributes and values to hyperlinks? Kind

RE: [WSG] Web Standards In Colleges and Universities

2007-10-20 Thread Frank Palinkas
Hi James, Tony has given you some great advice. If I may add to that, although it may be difficult depending on the circumstance, try to keep a cool head at all times. Your integrity comes first, backed up by your intellectual property. If it may help you in your studies, I can email you

RE: [WSG] introducing a prompt to download or open a pdf

2007-10-16 Thread Frank Palinkas
Responding to Paul, I'm doing the same, with the addition of a note to the user that a new window will open upon activation of the icon/hyperlink. Some may think this is overkill, but I'd rather have the user aware of what's going to occur. Kind regards, Frank -Original Message- From:

RE: [WSG] Load Javascript early or on-demand?

2007-10-09 Thread Frank Palinkas
Hi Kit, Don't know if this will help, but Simon Willison created an addLoadEvent(func) to get multiple scripts loading correctly on a page. Please see his blog: http://simonwillison.net/2004/May/26/addLoadEvent/ Kind regards, Frank M. Palinkas Microsoft M.V.P. - Windows Help W3C HTML Working

RE: [WSG] Story Boards

2007-10-09 Thread Frank Palinkas
Hi Marvin, In April of this year I came across an add-in template for Microsoft Visio, enabling a user to produce wire-frames and more within the Visio work environment. Here is the address to the web page and small downloadable package: http://www.guuui.com/issues/02_07.php Maybe this

RE: [WSG] 5,000th member

2007-09-25 Thread Frank Palinkas
Indeed! Without any doubt, I own a ton to all of you, especially the moderators. Kind regards, with due respect and admiration, Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Designer Sent: Tuesday, 25 September, 2007 12:28 PM To:

RE: [WSG] How many of us are public and how many private?

2007-09-11 Thread Frank Palinkas
Hi John, Thought I'd send this off-list to you: Commercial Sector: I build web-based tech documentation for the development division of an international logistics/supply chain company - Supergroup Trading Ltd in South Africa (can't wait to get outta here). Non-profit Sector: I produce gratis

RE: [WSG] Usability Accessibility Over Design?

2007-08-15 Thread Frank Palinkas
Hi, IMHO I would like to add one important factor to this. Money. From my experience, regardless of how pretty, wow, etc., a client wants their site to be, what they're really saying to you is that they need it to produce a load of money for them. Keep that foremost in mind when design

RE: [WSG] Introducing myself

2007-08-12 Thread Frank Palinkas
Title: Bericht Baie Welkom Koen! First, many thanks for reviewing my Fast track tutorial and providing constructive feedback. I'm glad you decided to join the WSG and mailing list, and provide us with your Hollands insight when needed. There are many helpful and learned individuals here,

RE: [WSG] (X)HTML Best Practice Sheet goes live - correct link

2007-08-10 Thread Frank Palinkas
- correct link On Aug 10, 2007, at 12:53 AM, Dean Edridge wrote: Frank Palinkas wrote: Kind regards, Frank M. Palinkas Microsoft M.V.P. - Windows Help W3C HTML Working Group (H.T.M.L.W.G.) - Invited Expert M.C.P., M.C.T., M.C.S.E., M.C.D.B.A., A+ Senior Technical

RE: [WSG] (X)HTML Best Practice Sheet goes live - correct link

2007-08-09 Thread Frank Palinkas
Hi Lars, Thanks for the hard work and time taken to do this. It's appreciated. May I make one suggestion please? The character reference (#10003;) you're using for the checkmark symbol does not render in IE6 or below. However, it does render perfectly in the latest versions of Opera, Firefox,

RE: [WSG] To target or not

2007-07-13 Thread Frank Palinkas
I'm with you also. However, as a tech writer I don't have the luxury of calling the shots on which method is employed by a dev project team. I decided to be ready for both external and internal calls from the app. Kind regards, Frank From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On

RE: [WSG] To target or not

2007-07-12 Thread Frank Palinkas
Hi Matthew, Being the tech writer for a software dev division, when calling context-sensitive help from a web form is needed I use unobtrusive DOM/Javascript to either let a user open a popup within the app window (traditional method) or call the help from within (embedded) each form field. I

RE: [WSG] Page Structure

2007-07-02 Thread Frank Palinkas
Hi Andrew, I would say the most important _thing_ in a newspaper is the title of lead story for that part of the day. The analogy to a web document would be the topic name of the page and be marked up as the h1. The name of the newspaper itself doesn't offer any timely information or _news_.

[WSG] Skip to Content?

2007-06-28 Thread Frank Palinkas
Hi All, Just a quick question and please pardon my ignorance.. If the global site navigation on a page is marked up below the content, and then floated left (or right) to bring it visually next to the content in a two column manner, is it good practice to include a Skip to Content link as part

RE: [WSG] Skip to Content?

2007-06-28 Thread Frank Palinkas
, it's very easy to hide these links from other standard browsers if you so wish, so it's not really much of an overhead to include them. Hope this helps, David On 28/06/07, Frank Palinkas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, Just a quick question and please pardon my ignorance.. If the global

RE: [WSG] Skip to Content?

2007-06-28 Thread Frank Palinkas
@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Skip to Content? On 28 Jun 2007, at 6:50 PM, Frank Palinkas wrote: If the global site navigation on a page is marked up below the content... Hang on - if your nav is *below* the content, wouldn't the link be better as 'skip to navigation'? I think

RE: [WSG] Page Structure

2007-06-27 Thread Frank Palinkas
FWIW, my take would be: // div id=masthead p id=headerimg id=logo alt=Glory Days src=images/GloryDays.gif / tickets, accommodation travel packages for major events throughout the uk, europe and worldwide /p h1 id=topicRugby World Cup 2007 Packages/h1 /div

RE: [WSG] JavaScript gurus - exercise in vanity

2007-06-19 Thread Frank Palinkas
I'd like to add Gez Lemon to the list please. Kind regards, Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barney Carroll Sent: Tuesday, 19 June, 2007 12:48 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] JavaScript gurus - exercise in

RE: [WSG] WCAG Samurai Errata

2007-06-08 Thread Frank Palinkas
: Friday, 08 June, 2007 8:26 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] WCAG Samurai Errata On 08/06/07, Frank Palinkas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: /* Guideline 9.4: Do not attempt to create your own tab order. That is a job for a browser and adaptive technology. */ When

RE: [WSG] WCAG Samurai Errata

2007-06-08 Thread Frank Palinkas
June, 2007 9:53 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] WCAG Samurai Errata Matthew Pennell wrote: I think it's been shown that just about all keys interfere with someone's shortcuts, whether it's a browser, screenreader, foreign characters, or whatever. Frank Palinkas wrote

RE: [WSG] Use of PDFs - Accessibility issues

2007-06-07 Thread Frank Palinkas
Hi Michael, Not sure if this will help you, but on occasion I've been presented with .pdf files to convert to (x)html for web-based tech docs. I do this manually by creating templates in the Visual Studio 2005 markup source code editors, and then copy and paste the content from the .pdf's. This

RE: [WSG] WCAG Samurai Errata

2007-06-07 Thread Frank Palinkas
Hi Kane, If it’s of help: /* Guideline 9.4: Do not attempt to create your own tab order. That is a job for a browser and adaptive technology. */ When and where needed (in web forms for instance), I create a tabindex order starting with the number 11 and proceed from there. This usually

RE: [WSG] Re: Use of Fieldsets other than in form?

2007-06-05 Thread Frank Palinkas
but that doesn't mean that the resulting document actually makes any sense whatsoever... Thank you Patrick. Especially to those using assistive devices. Kind regards, Frank M. Palinkas Microsoft M.V.P. - Windows Help W3C HTML Working Group (H.T.M.L.W.G.) - Invited Expert M.C.P.,

RE: [WSG] Content Management issue ?

2007-05-30 Thread Frank Palinkas
Thanks Schalk! Please keep us informed? Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Schalk Neethling Sent: Wednesday, 30 May, 2007 11:36 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Content Management issue ? Hey there All, This

RE: [WSG] The use of asterisks in forms to indicate required fields

2007-05-28 Thread Frank Palinkas
Hi John and Mike, Just a question please? For simple forms, I really like the technique of separating Required from Optional fields. Instead of dividing the form into two fieldsets (Required/Optional) would it be semantically/accessibly correct to instead use a header element (for example h4) to

RE: [WSG] wa state guidlines question

2007-05-10 Thread Frank Palinkas
If I read you right, sure it does. You can use unobtrusive DOM/JavaScript to replace the onclick event handler in the (x)html markup with a rel attribute in the a/a element. If the DOM/JavaScript is turned off, the page will open through the link supplied as normal in a full, new window. Also, an

RE: [WSG] wa state guidlines question

2007-05-10 Thread Frank Palinkas
', or even 'progressive enhancement' as it is a fundamental change in behaviour. Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frank Palinkas Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 11:35 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] wa state

RE: [WSG] Talking about tabular data...

2007-03-08 Thread Frank Palinkas
FWIW, my interpretation of what constitutes tabular data relies on the meaning of the data being directly associated to its grid coordinates, i.e. the intersection of a column and row. The column coordinate + the row coordinate gives specific meaning to the data located at the intersection of

RE: [WSG] Talking about tabular data...

2007-03-08 Thread Frank Palinkas
If I may add one other point that hasn't been touched on yet (that I'm aware of)... IMHO, if the elimination of either the table Column coordinate or Row coordinate takes place, it will break the semantic nature of the table element. If you continue to use the table element with one coordinate