David,
What are the pros and cons of one over the other?
Hi Bob,
You may want to look at solutions like thickbox (http://jquery.com/
demo/thickbox/) which offers a very degradable way to open faux
popups, or floating divs, and also adds some nice animation in
there too.
This way, if
On Mar 7, 2007, at 11:19 PM, Ricky Onsman wrote:
Observational testing should be required practice for anyone building
websites, I would have thought, especially to explore the practical
applications of implementing standards (which for the record I am
keen on
but a long way from achieving).
So, just to get this straight, the statistic claiming that 30% of web
users don't know what the Back button does comes from
Characterizng Browsing Strategies in the World-Wide Web (1995).
Nineteen-ninety-FIVE?
Are we seriously going to keep quoting that study, conducted presumably
in 1994 and
Problem: client wants (insists on having) popup windows.
Question: can they be made OK according to all canons of WSG? (ie
served in a different/alternative manner for people, devices, etc. -
leave aside the js argument, as that I have solved).
Canons! The religion of W3C! All praise to the W3C
Only the transitional doctype is available for new window targets, not
the strict compliance with W3C Papal enclyclicals.
Tim
On 07/03/2007, at 9:05 PM, Bob Schwartz wrote:
Problem: client wants (insists on having) popup windows.
Question:
The target is not used, it is popup via js or regular window without.
Canons! The religion of W3C! All praise to the W3C
Only the transitional doctype is available for new window targets,
not the strict compliance with W3C Papal enclyclicals.
Tim
On 07/03/2007, at 9:05 PM, Bob Schwartz
Bob Schwartz wrote:
The target is not used, it is popup via js or regular window without.
I raised this a while ago.
One argument is that if the doctype does not allow the target attribute
then you're just cheating by using javascript; in which case, getting
the page to validate is little
On 7 Mar 2007, at 11:52:39, Chris Price wrote:
One argument is that if the doctype does not allow the target
attribute then you're just cheating by using javascript; in which
case, getting the page to validate is little more than a trick.
I believe that argument only applies to the case
I find this argument interesting: One of the main purposes for popping up
a window when nav leaves your site is to keep the site always visible -
better known this as marketing. By keeping a site always around, the
viewer is less likely to forget about it, and is more likely to perhaps
purchase
On 3/7/07, Nick Fitzsimons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The problem is that this argument about keeping the site visible is
fallacious; usability research shows that if anything it has the
opposite effect, making it harder for people to return to the site.
Agreed - just wanted to present the
At 3/7/2007 02:05 AM, Bob Schwartz wrote:
Problem: client wants (insists on having) popup windows.
Question: can they be made OK according to all canons of WSG? (ie
served in a different/alternative manner for people, devices, etc. -
leave aside the js argument, as that I have solved).
What about PDF's. Should they open the same window?
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On 7 Mar 2007, at 14:41:54, Michael Yeaney wrote:
I find this argument interesting: One of the main purposes for
popping up
a window when nav leaves your site is to keep the site always visible -
better known this as marketing. By keeping a site always around, the
People who use Windows (= the majority) are always creating 'new windows'
on the PC - mail, browser, spreadsheet, help files, opening files, saving
them, printing them etc etc ad inf. And this is different because . . . ?
It's different because people either chose to open new windows or expected
On Wed, 7 Mar 2007 11:05:01 +0100, Bob Schwartz wrote:
Problem: client wants (insists on having) popup windows.
Question: can they be made OK according to all canons of WSG? (ie served in
a
different/alternative manner for people, devices, etc. - leave aside the js
argument,
as that I
On Mar 7, 2007, at 1:29 PM, Designer wrote:
People who use Windows (= the majority) are always creating 'new
windows' on the PC - mail, browser, spreadsheet, help files,
opening files, saving them, printing them etc etc ad inf.
And this is different because . . . ?
Because they are, at
On Wed, 7 Mar 2007 11:05:01 +0100, Bob Schwartz wrote:
Problem: client wants (insists on having) popup windows.
Question: can they be made OK according to all canons of WSG? (ie served in
a
different/alternative manner for people, devices, etc. - leave aside the js
argument,
as that I
From: Kim Kruse [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What about PDF's. Should they open the same window?
I've had such poor history with Acrobat Reader stability when running
inside a browser that I try to avoid PDF when alterntatives are
available, but when only a PDF is possible, I usually give a clear
This sounds like a perfect application for Ajax. Have the TOC on the
left, the actual document on the right... opens as you click through the
TOC?
Just a thought...
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From: Bob Schwartz
Subject: Re: [WSG] PopUp windows
Example would be a page with a sort of table
Bob Schwartz wrote:
Example would be a page with a sort of table of contents which lists
minutes of the past five years board meeting, the user clicks on one, it
pops up they read it, print it or whatever, then go to the next.
It gives them a chance to browse without leaving the TOC page,
Chris Williams wrote:
This sounds like a perfect application for Ajax. Have the TOC on the
left, the actual document on the right... opens as you click through the
TOC?
Just a thought...
Or, maybe frames - (ducks for cover!)
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"As to the question of web pop up windows, I believe most browsers
default to pop up blocking on, and I strongly suspect that the majority
of users are so indoctrinated with the notion that pop up = really
annoying intrusion, that they are unlikely to make exceptions. (Is
there any data on
This sounds like a perfect application for Ajax. Have the TOC on the left,
the actual document on the right... opens as you click through the TOC?
Just a thought...
Or frames! Only kidding, even though they would be way more accessible than
an AJAX 'solution'.
Steve
Anyone remember frames?
It's a plan so crazy it just might work!
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To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: RE: [WSG] PopUp windows
This sounds like
Al,
Got an example somewhere?
I Googled around but only found references, not a working iframe.
From: Bob Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Example would be a page with a sort of table of contents which
lists minutes of the past five years board meeting, the user
clicks on one, it pops up they
And so does a regular link (since I can just middle click to open in a
new tab).
Not everyone has a mouse with a middle button or scroll wheel and even
fewer know that they can click it to open a new window/tab.
Can I ask what people view as the best option for presenting additional
Kim Kruse wrote:
And that brings up another problem! Ever tried to book tickets online.
Almost everything pops up in new windows... dates, numbers of
travelers, payment and verification etc and now I've to allow these
windows to pop if I want to book my tickets :)
When I paid for hosting
John Faulds wrote:
And so does a regular link (since I can just middle click to open in a
new tab).
Not everyone has a mouse with a middle button or scroll wheel
There are other ways to open new windows, that was just the method I use.
and even fewer know that they can click it to open a
2007 21:24
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] PopUp windows
And so does a regular link (since I can just middle click to open in a
new tab).
Not everyone has a mouse with a middle button or scroll wheel and even fewer
know that they can click it to open a new window/tab.
Can I
and even fewer know that they can click it to open a new window/tab.
And they, I suspect, would be the people least able to handle
a new window spawned by the webpage. The back button is one
of the first things people learn about browsers.
I don't agree with that. One of my favourite
Hi Bob,
You may want to look at solutions like thickbox
(http://jquery.com/demo/thickbox/) which offers a very degradable way to
open faux popups, or floating divs, and also adds some nice
animation in there too.
This way, if the browser has javascript support (and it's enabled) then
what
How would you provide the additional information to these people?
I thought that's what my question was?
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Paul Novitski wrote:
You'll want to warn users, e.g. with a title/tooltip that says
something like (Opens in a new window). I've been told by a small
number of screen-reader users that this solves for them the
disconcerting problem of windows popping open with back buttons
disabled.
Late to
On 3/7/07, Michael Yeaney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I find this argument interesting: One of the main purposes for popping up
a window when nav leaves your site is to keep the site always visible -
better known this as marketing. By keeping a site always around, the
viewer is less likely to
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Behalf Of John Faulds
Sent: 07 March 2007 22:13
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] PopUp windows
How would you provide the additional information to these people?
I thought that's what my question was?
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2007 20:29
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] PopUp windows
Hi Bob,
You may want to look at solutions like thickbox
(http://jquery.com/demo/thickbox/) which offers a very degradable way to
open faux popups, or floating divs, and also adds some nice animation in
there too.
This way
At 3/7/2007 01:23 PM, John Faulds wrote:
Can I ask what people view as the best option for presenting additional
information on a form you're filling out? Ideally it would be visible on
the page itself, but sometimes that's not possible and making the user
click a link to another page and then
Off-topic, in a way, but my heart sinks every time this question comes
up.
Because it comes up a lot.
I would guess that it's the most frequently asked, discussed and
argued-over question on this list. Do we have an FAQ?
One of my favourite stats is that 30% of
browser activity involves
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 8/03/2007 7:06:37 am
and even fewer know that they can click it to open a new window/tab.
And they, I suspect, would be the people least able to handle
a new window spawned by the webpage. The back button is one
of the first things people learn about browsers.
I
Steve Green wrote:
Last time I looked at various implementations of lightbox none were
accessible to the JAWS screen reader. I would be interested to know if
things have improved since then.
Steve
I think they're hard for people with mobility issues (aka keyboard
users) too. In checking out
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Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 12:54 PM
Subject: Re: [WSG] PopUp windows
Steve Green wrote:
Last time I looked at various implementations of lightbox none were
accessible to the JAWS screen reader. I would be interested to know if
things
One of my favourite stats is that 30% of browser activity involves
using the Back button AND that 30% of users have no idea what the Back
button is or does.
Where does that statistic come from? Do you have a citation for that?
The former comes from L. Catledge and J. Pitkow,
and the web, users and people have changed a lot since 1995, I would say so
much so that that stat would know be unreliable...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 8/03/2007 1:19:56 pm
One of my favourite stats is that 30% of browser activity involves
using the Back button AND that 30% of users have no
David,
Cool. Thanks for the tip. I'll do a demo for the client today, I'm
sure he'll be blown away.
Bob
Hi Bob,
You may want to look at solutions like thickbox (http://jquery.com/
demo/thickbox/) which offers a very degradable way to open faux
popups, or floating divs, and also adds
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