Re: [WSG] Skip Navigation Visibility

InfoForce Services (Angus MacKinnon) wrote: This brings up a question. How effective are Skip navigation links? I have heard that half the people do not understand what skip navigation links are. I design web sites to get to the main content or with very few links until the main content. I'm in

Re: [WSG] Skip Navigation Visibility

> Oh Damn, I guess I will have to make it visible again. I have only tested > it on FF, IE6 and IE5. FYI, on the first tab Opera 8 beta 3 jumps to the "name" input at the bottom. h -- --- --- The future has arrived; it's just not --- evenly distributed. - William Gib

RE: [WSG] Skip Navigation Visibility - Site Map Link

TED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Neerav > Sent: 16 April 2005 14:10 > To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org > Subject: Re: [WSG] Skip Navigation Visibility - Site Map Link > > > Mike > > Did he make any suggestions asto the features a well designed site map > should have? >

Re: [WSG] Skip Navigation Visibility - Site Map Link

Mike Did he make any suggestions asto the features a well designed site map should have? -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Need a Sydney based web standards contractor? You need my services. Recent projects for Glassonion, Freshweb, Cogentis, Ceneka ... http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblin

RE: [WSG] Skip Navigation Visibility - Site Map Link

> Subject: Re: [WSG] Skip Navigation Visibility > > > Richard, these are all good questions. The best thing to do as actually > observe real people (with disabilities) interacting with sites. > > I have watched blind users and users with severe vision impairment who > become f

RE: [WSG] Skip Navigation Visibility

On Fri, 15 Apr 2005, Patrick Lauke wrote: But I have to say, on that Lions site, it's disingenious to have the "skip" appear on the far right. Users with low vision may only see a small fraction of the actual page (if they use screen magnifiers or just have their resolution set really low). Traditi

RE: [WSG] Skip Navigation Visibility

> Jan Brasna > > For a compromise http://www.lionsq3.asn.au the tab key > reveals the skip > > links. > > Dave Shea has it on Mezzoblue too, great feature...) But I have to say, on that Lions site, it's disingenious to have the "skip" appear on the far right. Users with low vision may only see

Re: [WSG] Skip Navigation Visibility

For a compromise http://www.lionsq3.asn.au the tab key reveals the skip links. Dave Shea has it on Mezzoblue too, great feature...) -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandard

Re: [WSG] Skip Navigation Visibility

This brings up a question. How effective are Skip navigation links? I have heard that half the people do not understand what skip navigation links are. I design web sites to get to the main content or with very few links until the main content. Angus MacKinnon MacKinnon Crest Saying Latin - Au

RE: [WSG] Skip Navigation Visibility

On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 11:03:50 +1200, Ben Wrighton wrote: > What if a physically disabled site visitor loads the page, doesn't see the > [skip nav], thinks "bugger this" and leaves before tabbing? Especially if > the site's home page does not contain an accessibility statement. And the obvious solut

Re: [WSG] Skip Navigation Visibility

the back' for those developers that spend hours of their time *testing* all these ideas out with the aim of making peoples lives better... PS: Sorry about the soapbox - it's the end of the week and I needed to vent... R :o) - Original Message - From: "russ - maxdesign

Re: [WSG] Skip Navigation Visibility

russ - maxdesign wrote: I have watched blind users and users with severe vision impairment who become frustrated and leave sites very quickly. Even before one or two tabs though? -- Patrick H. Lauke _ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used p

Re: [WSG] Skip Navigation Visibility

Richard, these are all good questions. The best thing to do as actually observe real people (with disabilities) interacting with sites. I have watched blind users and users with severe vision impairment who become frustrated and leave sites very quickly. They are more likely to struggle on if the

Re: [WSG] Skip Navigation Visibility

riginal Message - From: "Ben Wrighton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 9:03 AM Subject: RE: [WSG] Skip Navigation Visibility One small thing that bothers me with the tab to make skip nav visible approach. What if a physically disabled site visitor loads the

Re: [WSG] Skip Navigation Visibility

Ben Wrighton wrote: What if a physically disabled site visitor loads the page, doesn't see the [skip nav], thinks "bugger this" and leaves before tabbing? Especially if the site's home page does not contain an accessibility statement. That would probably depend on why they came to the site in the f

RE: [WSG] Skip Navigation Visibility

One small thing that bothers me with the tab to make skip nav visible approach. What if a physically disabled site visitor loads the page, doesn't see the [skip nav], thinks "bugger this" and leaves before tabbing? Especially if the site's home page does not contain an accessibility statement. I'

Re: [WSG] Skip Navigation Visibility

Sarah Peeke (XERT) wrote: OK, I have now enabled full keyboard access (system preferences), but when I use the tab key in both sites listed below nothing happens. It is only when I hover over the area where the navigation should appear that each link appears. I'm guessing it may be this: "You nee

RE: [WSG] Skip Navigation Visibility

On Wednesday, April 13, 2005 9:50pm, Lea de Groot wrote: >I've seen a couple of sites with a very nice tab interface >whereby the 'skip' link became visible on the first tab, >but was hidden if that didnt happen. I think Mike Pepper >does it at http://www.seowebsitepromotion.com/ That's the method

Re: [WSG] Skip Navigation Visibility

On 14 Apr 2005, at 7:22 pm, Susanne Jaeger wrote: I like the idea and used it myself in a recent procject, but I've never been able to get Opera cooperating. a:focus works in other browser but Opera seems not to use these styles when keyboard activated via "a" or "q". Does anyone know more about t

Re: [WSG] Skip Navigation Visibility

Lea de Groot wrote, On 14.04.2005 04:50: > I've seen a couple of sites with a very nice tab interface whereby the > 'skip' link became visible on the first tab, but was hidden if that > didnt happen. I like the idea and used it myself in a recent procject, but I've never been able to get Opera

Re: [WSG] Skip Navigation Visibility

OK, I have now enabled full keyboard access (system preferences), but when I use the tab key in both sites listed below nothing happens. It is only when I hover over the area where the navigation should appear that each link appears. > >>For a compromise http://www.lionsq3.asn.au the tab key rev

Re: [WSG] Skip Navigation Visibility

Sarah Peeke (XERT) wrote: Hi Rob For a compromise http://www.lionsq3.asn.au the tab key reveals the skip links. Very nice. I also like what Molly has done http://www.molly.com/ Use the tab key - 2nd tab -- Ben Hamilton mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hamilton.id.au/?:-) Need a web si

Re: [WSG] Skip Navigation Visibility

On 14 Apr 2005, at 1:03 pm, Rob Unsworth wrote: For a compromise http://www.lionsq3.asn.au the tab key reveals the skip links. I have tried pressing the tab key, but the skip menu does not appear. Am I doing something wrong here? Am using a mac, if that makes any difference. Oh Damn, I guess I wi

Re: [WSG] Skip Navigation Visibility

On Thu, 14 Apr 2005, Sarah Peeke (XERT) wrote: Hi Rob For a compromise http://www.lionsq3.asn.au the tab key reveals the skip links. I have tried pressing the tab key, but the skip menu does not appear. Am I doing something wrong here? Am using a mac, if that makes any difference. Oh Damn, I guess

Re: [WSG] Skip Navigation Visibility

Hi Rob > For a compromise http://www.lionsq3.asn.au the tab key reveals the skip > links. I have tried pressing the tab key, but the skip menu does not appear. Am I doing something wrong here? Am using a mac, if that makes any difference. ** T

Re: [WSG] Skip Navigation Visibility

Thank you Thierry, Lisa and Russ. Great points - I am new to accessibility, but your replies make great sense. Cheers Sarah :) ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for

Re: [WSG] Skip Navigation Visibility

On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 12:31:00 +1000, russ - maxdesign wrote: > A visible skip link allows them to jump over content or navigation > (depending on how the site is set up) and possibly avoid having to tab > numerous times to get to the content they need. A skip link is the first tab > they will hit wh

Re: [WSG] Skip Navigation Visibility

On Thu, 14 Apr 2005, russ - maxdesign wrote: What about users who rely on keyboards but have sight (users with some form of motor skill or mobility deficiency)? Visible skip menus can be very important for these users. A visible skip link allows them to jump over content or navigation (depending on

Re: [WSG] Skip Navigation Visibility

Sarah Peeke (XERT) wrote: > Many sites I have seen *retain this link's visibility* despite it > being intended (AFAIK) primarily > for screen readers. It also helps people who use tabbing navigation. Thierry | http://www.TJKDesign.com | ** The

Re: [WSG] Skip Navigation Visibility

What about users who rely on keyboards but have sight (users with some form of motor skill or mobility deficiency)? Visible skip menus can be very important for these users. A visible skip link allows them to jump over content or navigation (depending on how the site is set up) and possibly avoid

RE: [WSG] Skip Navigation Visibility

EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 14 April 2005 12:12 PM To: WSG Subject: [WSG] Skip Navigation Visibility HI all I have just come across a css tip at <http://www.htmldog.com/guides/htmladvanced/links/> which involves a css method to render the 'skip navigation' link invisible. My qu

[WSG] Skip Navigation Visibility

HI all I have just come across a css tip at which involves a css method to render the 'skip navigation' link invisible. My question is: Does anyone else use this method, or another similar technique? Many sites I have seen *retain this link's