On 3 Jul 2008, at 22:16, Al Sparber wrote:
When a block of text exceeds the viewport width, that means
horizontal scrolling for *each line* - a royal PITA.
I kid of think you are speaking for yourself ;-)
Well, he's speaking for me as well.
Al, do you really *not* find having to
On 3 Jul 2008, at 22:16, Al Sparber wrote:
When a block of text exceeds the viewport width, that means
horizontal scrolling for *each line* - a royal PITA.
I kid of think you are speaking for yourself ;-)
Rick Lecoat replied:
Well, he's speaking for me as well.
Me too. I find that
I agree with Rick here.
Having to scroll horizontally is not only an accessibility issue but a
serious design issue. I challenge AI to find proof people don't mind
this as all my research and experience says otherwise.
Joe
On Jul 04, 2008, at 11:27, Rick Lecoat wrote:
On 3 Jul 2008, at
, July 04, 2008 11:27 AM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Browsers and Zooming
On 3 Jul 2008, at 22:16, Al Sparber wrote:
When a block of text exceeds the viewport width, that means
horizontal scrolling for *each line* - a royal PITA.
I kid of think you are speaking
On 3 Jul 2008, at 23:01, Felix Miata wrote:
When you measure
the whole design in characters, or fractions thereof, resolution
does not
matter. [...snip...] When a design is _properly_ made using
character measurements, users don't need to zoom.
Hi Felix;
Assuming that I'm not
See if this helps:
http://www.eatons.net/sandbox/Greenwich.html
On Jul 3, 2008, at 11:58 PM, Hayden's Harness Attachment wrote:
Talking about zooming. I am trying to use PHP to create a web page
that has a default font size (layout_medium.css). As it stands, I
have broken everything since I
From: Rick Lecoat [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 3 Jul 2008, at 22:16, Al Sparber wrote:
When a block of text exceeds the viewport width, that means
horizontal scrolling for *each line* - a royal PITA.
I kid of think you are speaking for yourself ;-)
Well, he's speaking for me as well.
Al, do you
From: Joseph Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I agree with Rick here.
Having to scroll horizontally is not only an accessibility issue but a
serious design issue. I challenge AI to find proof people don't mind this
as all my research and experience says otherwise.
Hi Joseph,
I have no incentive
Sure I agree with you also, that is just a head ache. but if your txt is
scalable proportionally as a complete block without any width restriction and
the surrounding content division also scales proportionally like in elastic
layouts i think this works great! If the initial design width at
On 3 Jul 2008, at 13:41, James Jeffery wrote:
Are all browsers now using zooming to resize pages?
The latest version of each of the big four do by default. Happily, it
can be turned off in at least some of them.
--
David Dorward
http://dorward.me.uk/
http://blog.dorward.me.uk/
The latest versions of the 4 major browsers (IE, Opera, Safari and
Firefox) all do zooming. It is *relatively* safe to assume that Firefox,
Safari and Opera users will update their browsers on a regular basis as
these browsers all have to be sought out and downloaded initially.
However IE6 still
I wonder what a partially sighted user would thing of these 'improvements'.
Would they be glad that now they can see images a little easier and the
layout seems to break less or would they be annoyed at the sudden appearance
of a horizontal scrollbar?
On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 2:14 PM, James Leslie
On 3 Jul 2008, at 14:55, Mark Stickley wrote:
I wonder what a partially sighted user would thing of these
'improvements'. Would they be glad that now they can see images a
little easier and the layout seems to break less or would they be
annoyed at the sudden appearance of a horizontal
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Stickley
Sent: 03 July 2008 14:56
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I wonder what a partially sighted user would
Yes, a similar criticism has been levelled at Elastic layouts
-- that when you enlarge the text the layout grows with it,
I think you meant to say MAY grow - a carefully designed elastic layout
will not expand the viewport horizontally.
Mike
Mike Brockington
Web Development Specialist
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I wonder what a partially sighted user would thing of these
'improvements'. Would
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I wonder what a partially sighted user would thing of these
'improvements'. Would they be glad that now they can see images a little
easier and the layout seems to break less or would they be annoyed at the
sudden appearance of a horizontal scrollbar?
I think web developers have an irrational
(there are limits to what is
achievable even when a site is designed well).
Steve
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Behalf Of Al Sparber
Sent: 03 July 2008 20:41
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
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I wonder what
On Jul 3, 2008, at 3:41 PM, Al Sparber wrote:
an irrational fear of scrollbars
When a block of text exceeds the viewport width, that means
horizontal scrolling for *each line* - a royal PITA.
If a right hand column falls outside the viewing area, it's not
unreasonable to assume that a
the things they
have to offer him beyond zooming on a mac but for now this is working for us.
-Trisha in Tulsa
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From: Al Sparber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thu 7/3/2008 2:41 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Browsers and Zooming
For folks who need
From: Trisha Salas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I haven't been totally following this thread, but My 15 yo son has low
vision. It has come on very recently (last 6 months), He is 20/200
corrected. We have discovered the zoom feature on the old version of Mac
OSx... he prefers it much more than
From: Andrew Maben [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: [WSG] Browsers and Zooming
On Jul 3, 2008, at 3:41 PM, Al Sparber wrote:
an irrational fear of scrollbars
When a block of text exceeds the viewport width, that means
] Browsers and Zooming
From: Andrew Maben [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: [WSG] Browsers and Zooming
On Jul 3, 2008, at 3:41 PM, Al Sparber wrote:
an irrational fear of scrollbars
When a block of text exceeds the viewport width
On 2008/07/03 22:32 (GMT+0100) Steve Green apparently typed:
designers tend to design for a minimum screen
resolution of 1024x768 while there are still a significant number of people
still using lower resolutions.
This is most unfortunate for all, because screen resolution should be a
From: Steve Green [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Well here's a guy who has done a bit of usability testing. To quote from
the
article:
We know from user testing that users hate horizontal scrolling and always
comment negatively when they encounter it.
http://www.useit.com/alertbox/20050711.html
Of
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More important than anything we can discuss here, I wish your son well and
pray that his vision problems are managed.
***
Al,
Thanks for the thoughts and prayers...it appears that there
Talking about zooming. I am trying to use PHP to create a web page that has a
default font size (layout_medium.css). As it stands, I have broken everything
since I am so new to PHP. I use Firefox 3.0 as my main browser. It looks Okay,
however, the H1 foreground and background colors are not
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