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From: Donna Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 11:51 AM
Subject: Re: [WSG] Site Check: Broadleaf
Not exactly a clean user experience then. Particularly troublesome when
designers rely on the background image and define colour for their text
Donna Jones wrote:
Not exactly a clean user experience then. Particularly troublesome
when designers rely on the background image and define colour for
their text to be readable against it, but fail to provide fallback
background colour.
Zengarden is an experimental site, showcasing in many
Mugur Padurean wrote:
Hello, reality check here.
Quoting the US and Australian available IT infrastructure, as a good reason
for building huge web pages, is wrong for at least three reasons:
I surely didn't mean to be doing that, please see below.
1. Over 90% percent of the world population
Hello, reality check here.
Quoting the US and Australian available IT infrastructure, as a good
reason for building huge web pages, is wrong for at least three reasons:
1. Over 90% percent of the world population do not live there and do
not have dial-up access or other types of network access
Mugur Padurean wrote:
Hello, reality check here.
Quoting the US and Australian available IT infrastructure, as a good reason
for building huge web pages, is wrong for at least three reasons:
I surely didn't mean to be doing that, please see below.
1. Over 90% percent of the world population
On 26/7/05 4:18 PM, Mugur Padurean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And accessibility means access for everyone regardless of technology
availability or other kinds of disabilities.
I think web standards were meant to raise awareness first and give an impulse
to all of us to build a better web. A web
True, but how do you keep your site local on the web?
And what if my bussiness in Romania on dial-up finds your services in
Australia (aimed at local broadbanders) so attractive that wants to
do business with you? Hey, maybe this way i can get my business on the
broadband level but here in Romania
quote
what feels seems different in this instance is that the
image is in the background so the image is not even necessary to see the
page and load the page.
/ qoute
Why put it there then ?
If it's not needed then make it go away ! And voila ... you just turned a broadband only into a everyone
On 26/7/05 7:07 PM, Mugur Padurean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
True, but how do you keep your site local on the web?
And what if my bussiness in Romania on dial-up finds your services in
Australia (aimed at local broadbanders) so attractive that wants to do
business with you? Hey, maybe this way
It does not matter who is it you aimed for. I CAN ACCESS IT. And i
don't mean me Mugur, but me, another multi-national, with headquarters
in another part of the world with local to ISP broadband connection but
no broadband outside the country, witch happen to be common practice in
some countries
Mugur Padurean schrieb:
Would you sent your client to war (for big bucks) with slow, clumsy outdated
weapons from the 20th century?
We shouldn't use war metaphors in a thread that has all qualities of an
holy war.
After reading all possible relevant and irrelevant objections, I would
a significant concern.
Thanks,
Tatham Oddie
Fuel Advance - Ignite Your Idea
www.fueladvance.com
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mugur Padurean
Sent: Monday, 25 July 2005 3:48 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Site Check:
Broadleaf
Creative Media Centre
17-19 Robertson Street
Hastings
East Sussex
TN34 1HL
United Kingdom
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tatham Oddie (Fuel Advance)
Sent: 25 July 2005 07:51
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: RE: [WSG] Site Check:
Broadleaf
Mugur
www.fueladvance.com
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Edward Clarke
Sent: Monday, 25 July 2005 5:08 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: RE: [WSG] Site Check:
Broadleaf
The problem is
youre designing for a technology [DSL],
not accessibility. May I
www.fueladvance.com
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mugur Padurean
Sent: Monday, 25 July 2005 5:25 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Site Check:
Broadleaf
Your absoutely right when
you say our creativy shoud not be restricted by any means.
Still
@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: RE: [WSG]
Site Check: Broadleaf
Mugur,
I hope you
are not upset with me.
Not at all.
J
I just fail to
understand people who are concerned about pages under 150k. Until about 2
years ago, 50k was my limit. However since then, I've been happy to add
of the template.
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tatham Oddie (Fuel Advance)
Sent: 25 July 2005 10:16
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: RE: [WSG] Site Check:
Broadleaf
Mugur,
I hope you are
not upset with me.
Not at all. J
I just fail
G'day
I just fail to understand people who are concerned about pages under 150k.
Well, you probably fail to take a few things into account. Like
people leaving a slow loading site rather than complaining. Like
the cost of bandwidth. Like availability of broadband. I could
go on, but I
On 7/25/05 2:50 AM Bert Doorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent this out:
But how about cutting down the size of your emails and making
them plain text? No need to repeatedly quote 40k of text with
all that Micro$oft formatting in it.
Regards
--
Bert Doorn, Better Web Design
100% agreement here.
You would have thought that a web standards group would be using a more
web standards compliant email client like Thunderbird ?
Rick Faaberg wrote:
On 7/25/05 2:50 AM "Bert Doorn" [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent this out:
But how about cutting down the size of your emails and making
them
On 7/25/05, Chris Cowling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You would have thought that a web standards group would be using a more web
standards compliant email client like Thunderbird ?
Targetting email clients is like targetting browsers, which is soo 90.
And don't forget the few of us who are on
On 25 Jul 2005, at 4:02 PM, Tatham Oddie (Fuel Advance) wrote:
Regarding the CSS errors - they are all IE hacks
* html is your friend. It validates and only IE loads it, and you can
group 'em together as a block rather than polluting individual rules.
Hide your PC only hacks from Macs using
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mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Edward Clarke
Sent: Monday, 25 July 2005 3:08 AM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: RE: [WSG] Site Check: Broadleaf
I suspect the 120Kb footprint of the background image is of more concern to
most visitors.
Edward Clarke
Sites where designers can show off their chops cater to a specific
audience - other designers who want to be thrilled by a primarily
visual experience. There is nothing wrong with eye candy sites for
people interested in eye candy, but using such examples as an argument
in support of creating
Hi Terrence: in checking the speed report (under Tools in FF), the site
comes through with flying colors - under 4K.
http://testdrive.fueladvance.com/Broadleaf/Home/Index.fuel
Donna Jones wrote:
I'm not sure i understand what all the feedback regarding the background
image is about either. it seems to me that the size of the html is what
matters, its not like the page is dependant on the background. i'm half
a planet away, n. U.S., the html loads real well, then
Hi,
The background image only renders across 3/4 of the viewport in
Safari 2.0.
On Jul 24, 2005, at 9:15 AM, Tatham Oddie ((Fuel Advance)) wrote:
Hi all,
I’ve just placed the first page of a new site on our test-drive
server:
http://testdrive.fueladvance.com/Broadleaf/
Which is
Thanks Donna, that's funny.
kind regards
Terrence Wood.
On 26 Jul 2005, at 10:03 AM, Donna Jones wrote:
Hi Terrence: in checking the speed report (under Tools in FF), the
site comes through with flying colors - under 4K.
http://testdrive.fueladvance.com/Broadleaf/Home/Index.fuel
Not exactly a clean user experience then. Particularly troublesome when
designers rely on the background image and define colour for their text
to be readable against it, but fail to provide fallback background colour.
Zengarden is an experimental site, showcasing in many cases how one can
The design is very nice but the background image of the tree repeats.
It is not noticeable until the resolution goes beyond 1024x768. There
were some css validation errors as well
(http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?profile="">).
Matthew Vanderhorst
Tatham Oddie (Fuel Advance)
Kingdom
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Matthew Vanderhorst
Sent: 24 July 2005 17:52
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Site Check:
Broadleaf
The design is very nice but the background image of the tree repeats. It is not noticeable until
Tatham Oddie (Fuel Advance) wrote:
Hi all,
I’ve just placed the first page of a new site on our test-drive server:
http://testdrive.fueladvance.com/Broadleaf/
Which is a redo of:
http://www.broadleaf.com.au/
There is also a mock up which shows how it is meant to look:
I'd remove all the » in each list item and replace this with an image on
the item bullet points.
Also adding a label and/or legend on the search field (and hiding it with
CSS if desired) would increase usability.
Personally I'd also 'no-repeat' the bg image as it doesn't look as good on
pages
let me know and Ill change it.
Thanks,
Tatham Oddie
Fuel Advance - Ignite Your Idea
www.fueladvance.com
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew Vanderhorst
Sent: Monday, 25 July 2005 2:52 AM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Site
Rowan,
Thanks for your feedback.
I'd remove all the in each list item and replace this with an image on
the item bullet points.
Done.
Also adding a label and/or legend on the search field (and hiding it with
CSS if desired) would increase usability.
Done.
Personally I'd also
@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: RE: [WSG] Site Check:
Broadleaf
I suspect the 120Kb footprint of the background image
is of more concern to most visitors.
Edward Clarke
ECommerce and Software Consultant
TN38 Consulting
http://blog.tn38.net
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Robertson Street
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