On Sep 30, 2008, at 2:00 PM, Kepler Gelotte wrote:
I am always curious why so rarely people in this list ever mention
Dean Edwards' IE7.
Maybe it is because it's a JavaScript solution. If you have JavaScript
disabled, you are back to where you started. Of course, this may be
a better
Thank you everyone for sharing your thoughts and commenting.
After reading through the responses to my original post, I'm trying to
frame a conclusion here.
But first, a little website background:
- target audience don't have much computer background
- majority of target audience use IE 6/7
-
On Sep 30, 2008, at 1:18 AM, Joe Chiang wrote:
Perhaps, implement something like 'sticky sidebar' or 'position fixed'
to present the 'Return to top' link rather than adding it after each
section is another option I look favourably at. Obviously, I need to
work out on IE6 for this.
Robin Shi wrote:
In my experience, position: fixed seems not work with IE.
It is supported by IE7.
As a concept, however, it is pretty much incompatible with horizontal
navigation bars plus links with fragment identifiers.
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David Dorward
http://dorward.me.uk/
Joe Chiang wrote:
Perhaps, implement something like 'sticky sidebar' or 'position
fixed' to present the 'Return to top' link rather than adding it
after each section is another option I look favourably at. Obviously,
I need to work out on IE6 for this.
Hi Joe,
Therefore, the use of 'Return to top' link will be required unless I can prove
to my client that users don't click them via studies, research or user
feedback, not just only from my personal experience.
I think you answered your own question there... Can you do some studies or
Hey every1...
Just a silly idea, but what about using a background image, with a
transparent gif over it, the gif is the return to top link... Being part of
the background it wont print, you can make it PART of the background without
it looking like a special link etc..
Just a random thought
David Fuller :: magickweb wrote:
Just a silly idea, but what about using a background image, with a
transparent gif over it, the gif is the return to top link... Being part of
the background it wont print, you can make it PART of the background without
it looking like a special link etc..
I am always curious why so rarely people in this list ever mention
Dean Edwards' IE7.
Maybe it is because it's a JavaScript solution. If you have JavaScript
disabled, you are back to where you started. Of course, this may be a better
solution than not trying to support IE6 at all which I read
How about the tabs with JS? It visually breaks the page into small parts and
switch by tabs.
Robin
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Subject: [WSG] Is it a
Robin Shi wrote:
How about the tabs with JS? It visually breaks the page into small parts and
switch by tabs.
So - the visitor comes, they read to the bottom, then they have to
scroll to the top and activate the next tab (and repeat). I'm not too
keen on this idea.
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David Dorward
Perhaps the solution then is an accordian approach?
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On 29/09/2008, at 4:19 PM, David Dorward wrote:
Robin Shi wrote:
How about the tabs with JS? It visually breaks the page into small
parts and
I think your users know where 'Home' key is situated on their keyboards!:)
2008/9/29, Henrik Madsen [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Perhaps the solution then is an accordian approach?
Henrik Madsen
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On 29/09/2008, at 4:19 PM,
Henrik Madsen wrote:
Perhaps the solution then is an accordian approach?
Perhaps long pages aren't a problem in the first place.
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Really?
I'll give you ten to one that the majority of PC users have no idea what
that key does.
Regards,
Mike
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And you think they guess what 'back to top' link means?
In my expirence, I never pressed buttons like 'Back to Top' on web pages.
2008/9/29, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Really?
I'll give you ten to one that the majority of PC users have no idea what
that key does.
Regards,
Mike
That is a different story though: we are not talking about _replacing_
the home key with a link, we are talking about implementing additional
affordance - if the user does not recognise it, or prefers to do things
differently, then nothing is lost.
Whether the additional noise on the page is a
Hi,
I'd argue that a 'back to top' link on longer pages is not only a good idea
but also what users expect.
I have had numerous clients who asked for this link on all pages - even on
shorter pages as they feel it is part of a usable page. In my opinion,
trying to predict whether or not people
Hi all,
I think especially with netbook computers gaining some market share as tools
for searching, the web 'Back to Top' links are well to be used on every page.
These computers have screen resolutions of 1024 x 600 pixels or less, so quasi
every page may be considered a long page on these
No, i meant use the tabs as navigation, the tabs will sit on the top of the page
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Sent: Monday, 29 September 2008 18:19
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On Sep 29, 2008, at 2:58 AM, Prisca schmarsow wrote:
I have had numerous clients who asked for this link on all pages -
even on shorter pages as they feel it is part of a usable page. In
my opinion, trying to predict whether or not people know about
keyboard shortcuts is more difficult
Robin Shi wrote:
No, i meant use the tabs as navigation, the tabs will sit on the top of the
page
Yes? My point stands:
So - the visitor comes, they read to the bottom, then they have to
scroll to the top and activate the next tab (and repeat). I'm not too
keen on this idea.
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tee wrote:
I always have 'back to top' implemented, in my opinion, it's more
important than skip to content/skip navigation because we read from
top to bottom, not bottom to top.
Most browsers have built in ways of returning to the top easily, most do
not have a simply way of jumping to the
Joe Chiang wrote:
I have some VERY long pages in the website I maintain. Currently, I
insert 'Back to Top' after every section in the page. Sometimes, I
feel they are disturbing and am not sure if there is any better way
to do it or don't insert them at all.
Unless clients insist on having
On Sep 29, 2008, at 2:58 AM, Prisca schmarsow wrote:
I have had numerous clients who asked for this link on all pages -
even on shorter pages as they feel it is part of a usable page. In
my opinion, trying to predict whether or not people know about
keyboard shortcuts is more difficult
Robin Shi wrote:
No, i meant use the tabs as navigation, the tabs will sit on the top of the
page
Yes? My point stands:
So - the visitor comes, they read to the bottom, then they have to
scroll to the top and activate the next tab (and repeat). I'm not too
keen on this idea.
--
I think it's a good practice, as long as the button actually says to the
top or back to the top, I think these work (at least for me) but there
are a lot of buttons that have just an arrow pointing up on them and I think
that most internet users don't just understand the purpose of this button.
I find that this approach is not good in this day and age everyone loves to
have an interactive approach but the accordian approach in my eyes has not
lived up to a good range when it comes to displaying information.
Aaron Wheeler
On Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:56:52 +0800, Henrik Madsen
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I find that this approach is not good in this day and age everyone loves to
have an interactive approach but the accordian approach in my eyes has not
lived up to a good range when it comes to displaying information.
lived up to a good range?? What the heck does that
On Sep 29, 2008, at 3:26 AM, David Dorward wrote:
tee wrote:
I always have 'back to top' implemented, in my opinion, it's more
important than skip to content/skip navigation because we read from
top to bottom, not bottom to top.
Most browsers have built in ways of returning to the top easily,
tee wrote:
Wow, how glad I mentioned this. I had no idea there is short-cut for
email. If I, who spends 10 hours a day working on computer don't know,
chances are, most folks don't know either. So there is really a good
reason to have 'back to top' implemented.
Dragging the scrollbar up to
tee wrote:
Wow, how glad I mentioned this. I had no idea there is short-cut for
email. If I, who spends 10 hours a day working on computer don't
know,
chances are, most folks don't know either. So there is really a good
reason to have 'back to top' implemented.
On Sep 29, 2008, at 5:23
I've recently done usability/accessibility testing with ZoomText (the
screen magnifier) users and many of these users find frequent 'back to
top' links very useful. It saves additional mouse movement and reduces
disorientation.
Jane
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Oh I did miss the point. You were talking about those small screens and the
users really don't like scrolling. In that case, what if put the tabs on the
bottom of the page?
Robin
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Sent:
Robin Shi wrote:
Oh I did miss the point. You were talking about those small screens and the users really don't like scrolling. In that case, what if put the tabs on the bottom of the page?
No, I think his point was that the tabs would be at the top of the page
and the user would still have
Thanks Mark for the explanation.
For those users who even don't see [Home] key or [back to top] link, I think
they may need the extremely good sign to navigate inside the page.
We will be still using the tabs as navigation, but not on the top. Put the tabs
in a div, then using the JS to
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 9:53 AM, Robin Shi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If the page has been scrolled down or up, whatever, the JS will reposition
the div to make sure it's not outside of the view.
Is it just me, or could you not use position: fixed?
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Hi Blake,
In my experience, position: fixed seems not work with IE.
Robin
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Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 10:06 AM
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Subject: Re: [WSG] Is it a good practice to have
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Robin Shi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Blake,
In my experience, position: fixed seems not work with IE.
Robin
Ah. I've never actually had to use it.
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Any suggestions would be appreciated.
If you have a really really long page I think a back to top is ok. It's
unlikely to harm anyone and it's likely to help some users. If the pages
have a table of contents with jump links (probably a good idea) then you
could also make it a back to table of
May I suggest that we fix an Up link at the bottom and a series of
section tabs and Skip to ... at the top of the window - 'position:
fixed' that is.
Should work on all but the smallest windows and in all the latest
browsers, and are easy to reposition or turn off for print.
IE6 will have to
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