Re: [WSG] Review of website please

[Gunlaug Sørtun]

Miles Burke wrote:
We've just launched our new website, having had a quick CSS learning
 curve over the last few months, and would love 
opinions/feedback/criticism of it. Everything is game - let me know 
it all, no matter how bad. :)

Please have a gander at http://www.bam.com.au
The page looked OK once the gif-animation was stopped - it is too much
of a good thing because of the contrast, and draw my attention from the
rest of the page.
Opera only loaded 19% of the header-thing, and that's fine on a slow
connection.
My IE6 doesn't load anything in my setting BTW, so it looked kind of
empty up there.
FF loaded all, but it took forever for such a short sequence. I hardly
managed to see it run.
- Something that makes better use of bandwidth would work better, I think.
Pixel-defined text in IE/win is not my favorite, and overriding it
didn't help too much since the layout is so easily broken. Rethinking
that, and testing some more, would help a lot.
Something isn't fitting in the news-container, so the black border on
the right side doesn't look quite right when open.
Most of those small images would be better left with an empty
alt-attribute. We don't need the same message twice. Take the page to
http://www.delorie.com/web/lynxview.html , and you'll see what I mean.
You have forgotten to set "padding: 0;" on body. Opera use that. Not
that it matter much on such a small page.
The page looks nice when I blow it up to 150% in Opera - and everything
is standing still. That should make it fit well on a 800x600 screen,
which I think it is made for.
regards
Georg
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Re: [WSG] Review of website please

[David Laakso]

On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 12:32:40 +0800, Miles Burke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Please have a gander at http://www.bam.com.au
Miles.
Well, I suppose a lot depends on your market. As for myself, I found it  
unreadable on a 1280 optimal LCD, fonts un-scalable in IE, menu broke on  
2nd zoom click in FF, and the motion drove me absolutely bonkers-- and  
then some. In other words, I'm not sure it will exactly instill confidence  
for clients over 40, much less users older than God like me.

David
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Re: [WSG] Review of website please

[Carmelyne Thompson]

The bomb animation gets me so distracted. I felt like a seizure was
being summoned. :) It was running in a circular pattern so there was
the hypnotic feel for it too.

The CSS does not validate:

URI : http://www.bam.com.au/common/bamcreative.css

  Line: 83 Context : #navlist a:hover a:active

Parse Error - active;

  
  Line: 89 Context : #navlist a:hover a:active

Parse error - Unrecognized : { color: #62BD19;
background-color: transparent;
}

  




- Carmelyne Thompson


The Bo$$ wrote:

  The transitions were kinda dizzying but otherwise it looks very nice.
:) Nine thumbs up!


On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:47:40 -0800, Chris Kennon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  
  
Hi,

The header, if it were a transition between screens it would be
engaging. As a header element it loses it punch sitting at the top of
the page, so when it's done loading, the anticipation is gone, leaving
a so what feeling. Following is an successful example, perhaps
inspiration for a remix.

http://www.sideshowcreative.com/


On Thursday, January 20, 2005, at 08:32  PM, Miles Burke wrote:



  Hi CSS gurus, :)

We've just launched our new website, having had a quick CSS learning
curve over the last few months, and would love
opinions/feedback/criticism of it. Everything is game - let me know it
all, no matter how bad. :)

Please have a gander at http://www.bam.com.au

On another topic, the WA web industry association has just released
its 'What to ask your prospective web designer/developer' document.
I'm hoping some of you may have a use for it to hand to prospective
clients, or indeed have some feedback on that as well.

It's URL is http://www.port80.asn.au/docs/Port80_whattoask.pdf

Cheers & thanks in advance,

Miles.

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Re: [WSG] Review of website please

[The Bo$$]

The transitions were kinda dizzying but otherwise it looks very nice.
:) Nine thumbs up!


On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:47:40 -0800, Chris Kennon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> The header, if it were a transition between screens it would be
> engaging. As a header element it loses it punch sitting at the top of
> the page, so when it's done loading, the anticipation is gone, leaving
> a so what feeling. Following is an successful example, perhaps
> inspiration for a remix.
> 
> http://www.sideshowcreative.com/
> 
> 
> On Thursday, January 20, 2005, at 08:32  PM, Miles Burke wrote:
> 
> >
> > Hi CSS gurus, :)
> >
> > We've just launched our new website, having had a quick CSS learning
> > curve over the last few months, and would love
> > opinions/feedback/criticism of it. Everything is game - let me know it
> > all, no matter how bad. :)
> >
> > Please have a gander at http://www.bam.com.au
> >
> > On another topic, the WA web industry association has just released
> > its 'What to ask your prospective web designer/developer' document.
> > I'm hoping some of you may have a use for it to hand to prospective
> > clients, or indeed have some feedback on that as well.
> >
> > It's URL is http://www.port80.asn.au/docs/Port80_whattoask.pdf
> >
> > Cheers & thanks in advance,
> >
> > Miles.
> >
> > ---
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> > http://www.bam.com.au Mt Lawley WA 6050
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> "The true measure of ignorance
> is thinking intelligence is the
> solution to everything."
> -ck
> 
> Chris Kennon
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Re: [WSG] Review of website please

[Chris Kennon]

Hi,
The header, if it were a transition between screens it would be 
engaging. As a header element it loses it punch sitting at the top of 
the page, so when it's done loading, the anticipation is gone, leaving 
a so what feeling. Following is an successful example, perhaps  
inspiration for a remix.

http://www.sideshowcreative.com/

On Thursday, January 20, 2005, at 08:32  PM, Miles Burke wrote:
Hi CSS gurus, :)
We've just launched our new website, having had a quick CSS learning 
curve over the last few months, and would love 
opinions/feedback/criticism of it. Everything is game - let me know it 
all, no matter how bad. :)

Please have a gander at http://www.bam.com.au
On another topic, the WA web industry association has just released 
its 'What to ask your prospective web designer/developer' document. 
I'm hoping some of you may have a use for it to hand to prospective 
clients, or indeed have some feedback on that as well.

It's URL is http://www.port80.asn.au/docs/Port80_whattoask.pdf
Cheers & thanks in advance,
Miles.
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http://www.bam.com.au   Mt Lawley WA 6050
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Fax (08) 9272 6625ABN 51 102 492 955
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[WSG] site review

[Neal Watkins]

I seek advice on ways to bette rbuild this if anyone can provide
suggestions I would appreciate it!!!

http://www.constructweb.com/css/russ/

1) if anyone has any betters way to approach this almost tableless
design I would love to hear it

2) the blue background is Just there to see the problem -- why is the
height so big ??? I cant figure it out---

3) the 6 reasons section has a box model problem - i believe which I
think I can fix - (look at it in firefox)

4) notice I relatively positioned the boxes - in a "boxcontent" div -
yet they are different in IE and firefox--- there's a hack to correct
this right?


Thanks

Neal

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[WSG] Review of website please

[Miles Burke]

Hi CSS gurus, :)

We've just launched our new website, having had a quick CSS learning curve over 
the last few months, and would love opinions/feedback/criticism of it. 
Everything is game - let me know it all, no matter how bad. :)

Please have a gander at http://www.bam.com.au

On another topic, the WA web industry association has just released its 'What 
to ask your prospective web designer/developer' document. I'm hoping some of 
you may have a use for it to hand to prospective clients, or indeed have some 
feedback on that as well.

It's URL is http://www.port80.asn.au/docs/Port80_whattoask.pdf 

Cheers & thanks in advance,

Miles.

---
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]   Suite 6 / 1 Vincent St
http://www.bam.com.au   Mt Lawley WA 6050
Tel (08) 9371 1320ACN 102 492 955
Fax (08) 9272 6625ABN 51 102 492 955  
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Re: [WSG] Convert uppercase file names to lower case

[Mike Kear]

Helen there's no need to cringe if you use Dreamweaver. It's an extremely 
professional development tool.   People produce rubbish from it, but other 
people produce sites that are quite sublime.

I do believe there's a setting in DreamweaverMX that allows you to convert 
all links to lower case.  There's a preferences setting that you can specify 
all lower case tags, all lower case attributes (and also all upper case if 
you prefer) and if you use the convert to XHTML feature (File > Convert > to 
XHTML) it will convert the page to valid XHTML as far as it's able.  It will 
give you warnings for anyhing it's unable to do (e.g. add alt tags to 
images).  Amongst the things in this process is convert all tags to lower 
case.

First of all, convert your page (or pages) to XHTML  then select Commands > 
Clean up xhtml  and it'll remove deprecated tags, remove any that you want 
removed,  tidy up improperly nested tags, close off unclosed tags such as 
, and change all your tags (including href)  to lower case.  I havent 
tested it, but I dont think it changes the filename you are 'hreffing' to 
lower case, but if the page is inside your  site, changing its name should 
have Dreamweaver changing every page that links to it.

Hope this helps.
Cheers
Mike Kear
Windsor, NSW, Australia
AFP Webworks
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Lovely, thanks - I will definitely keep this handy.
Now is there any way of making sure all the href urls in the site are in
lower case too?  I use DW (please don't cringe) and normally when you make
a change it updates all the links.   Some of the links are mixed case that
is why I need to do this as well.
Thanks
Helen
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Re: [WSG] accessibility statements

[Justin Thorp]

Michigan State University Web Accessibility Statement
http://www.msu.edu/accessibility/index.html
MSU Web Accessibility Statement of Encouragement
http://www.msu.edu/webaccess/encourage.html
On Jan 20, 2005, at 6:28 PM, Cade Whitbourn wrote:
What's in a good accessibility statement?
Where are the best accessibility statements you've come across on the 
web?

I'm currently writing one for the site I work on, to coincide with a
redesign that's nearing completion. I haven't found many good examples 
of
statements on other corporate sites.

Some background to my site: It won't validate due to technical 
constraints
(unreliable CMS, legacy code, third-party systems), but it's been 
built 'in
the spirit' of web standards (i.e semantic markup, CSS for most of the
layout, a few accessibility features etc).

The sections I have so far in my statement:
- Access keys - what are they, how to use them.
- Navigation - unordered lists which degrade well, skip to content 
link,
prominent search box, comprehensive sitemap
- Standard compliance - built to HTML4.01 but will not validate, 
semantic
markup used, WCAG compliance
- Technical requirements - javascript used but degrades without, 
screen rez
recomended for visual design but degrades
- A list of the devices that the site has been tested for 
accessibility on.

Whatdya reckon?
Cheers,
Cade
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Principal; Web Developer & Accessibility Specialist
MyCapitalWeb.com LLC
3016 S. Deerfield
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Re: [WSG] yet more valid table tags for xhtml strict

[Bert Doorn]

G'day

cellpadding="5"  border="1" rules="cols" frame="hsides"  >
and it is perfectly valid XHTML strict! 
...
So there you go! Border? frame? rules?  All presentational at the end of the
day, surely . . .
It would appear that these attributes (which are presentational 
to me as well) will no longer be available in XHTML2:

http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml2/
http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml2/attributes.html
I don't see a need for most of these attributes any more, since 
the same can be achieved with CSS and they don't appear to have 
semantic meaning.  Perhaps they were left in there because table 
rendering is a nightmare, with inconsistent browser support, 
especially for the col element, which is an oddity.

Still.  Why use  when  can be 
used?  Or  instead of ?

Border, frame, rules, cellpadding and the like can also be done 
with CSS (better in Firefox and Opera than in MSIE, because MSIE 
does not support the CSS "border-spacing").

The bottom line for me is...  If it can be done with CSS, use 
CSS.  If it can't be done reliably and the lack of browser 
support is a critical issue, use (still valid) Strict attributes 
in minimal quantities.

Regards
--
Bert Doorn, Better Web Design
http://www.betterwebdesign.com.au/
Fast-loading, user-friendly websites
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[WSG] Admin : Posting guidelines regarding code editors

[James Ellis]

Hello list

Recently their has been some traffic on the WSG list about various code
editors. This email is a quick reminder about how these kind of posts
can be kept on topic for the list.

Remember, WSG is an on-topic list, we try to avoid threads that
degenerate into the various virtues of certain software.

Posts about code editors that directly relate to web standards and
developing standards compliant sites are fine. For instance:
* how to get a code editor to output the correct doctype.
* how to ensure code from XYZ editor validates

Post about code editors that do not directly relate to web standards
will be closed. Posts that will be closed can include content such as:
* how well FTP works in a code editor
* 'my code editor is great all the others are rubbish'
* which operating system it runs on and what operating system is best
* discussion of functions not related to web standards (like project
managers, find and replace, server integration etc etc).
* pricing of the code editor
* how do I install the software?
* which code editor is the best?
* what code editors do members of the list use?
* WYSIWYG / hand coding is rubbish try coding my way.

There are much better places on the web to discuss the above.

Generally, if you are trying without success to get a code editor to
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RE: [WSG] accessibility statements

[Focas, Grant]

Hi Cade,
I like http://www.diveintoaccessibility.org/accessibility_statement.html

Grant


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Subject: [WSG] accessibility statements


What's in a good accessibility statement?
Where are the best accessibility statements you've come across on the web?

I'm currently writing one for the site I work on, to coincide with a
redesign that's nearing completion. I haven't found many good examples of
statements on other corporate sites.

Some background to my site: It won't validate due to technical constraints
(unreliable CMS, legacy code, third-party systems), but it's been built 'in
the spirit' of web standards (i.e semantic markup, CSS for most of the
layout, a few accessibility features etc).

The sections I have so far in my statement:
- Access keys - what are they, how to use them.
- Navigation - unordered lists which degrade well, skip to content link,
prominent search box, comprehensive sitemap
- Standard compliance - built to HTML4.01 but will not validate, semantic
markup used, WCAG compliance
- Technical requirements - javascript used but degrades without, screen rez
recomended for visual design but degrades
- A list of the devices that the site has been tested for accessibility on.

Whatdya reckon?

Cheers,
Cade
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[WSG] Re: styling forms

[Erwin Heiser]

Title: Re: styling forms



Ryan,

Don’t know if you know this site but this is one of the best articles on styling forms I’ve read so far:

http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200409/styling_form_controls/

Rest of the articles are pretty good too ;-)

Greets,

Erwin Heiser

Re: [WSG] accessibility statements

[Terrence Wood]

I think accesskeys are a case of: those who like them will find them, 
those who don't can (and will) ignore them.

I use my user stylesheet to reveal accesskeys and tabindexes.
Terrence Wood.
The Bo$$ wrote:
CSS used, still accessible without.
I really don't think accesskeys are all that good for accessiblity
though. See http://www.mezzoblue.com/archives/2005/01/04/im_still_off/
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[WSG] Help - newbie text editors

[Erwin Heiser]

Hi all,

First of all, It¹s always you writing the code, not the program ;-)
Anyway on the Macintosh these editors rock:

BBEdit: see http://www.barebones.com/index.shtml
Not cheap, but worth every penny IMHO, Textwrangler is now a free download
as an alternative.
BB does XHTML, PHP, CSS etc.. built in FTP, HTML Tidy, FTP etc... You name
it, it's got it.

If money is tight these are also very good:
skedit:   http://www.skti.org/skEdit.php
webdesign:  http://www.ragesw.com/webdesign.php
Subethaedit:  http://www.codingmonkeys.de/subethaedit/
seedit:  http://www.xhtmlsoft.com/

Absolutely free and very popular in some circles
Jedit:  http://www.jedit.org/

For CSS there's really only one app:
Stylemaster:  http://www.westciv.com/style_master/

Currently at version 3.5, version 4 is just around the corner and from what
I've seen from the beta is going to be a major upgrade to what is already an
excellent piece of software. (Also available in Windows flavour ;-)  )

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Re: [WSG] accessibility statements

[The Bo$$]

CSS used, still accessible without.

I really don't think accesskeys are all that good for accessiblity
though. See http://www.mezzoblue.com/archives/2005/01/04/im_still_off/


On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:28:51 +1100, Cade Whitbourn
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What's in a good accessibility statement?
> Where are the best accessibility statements you've come across on the web?
> 
> I'm currently writing one for the site I work on, to coincide with a
> redesign that's nearing completion. I haven't found many good examples of
> statements on other corporate sites.
> 
> Some background to my site: It won't validate due to technical constraints
> (unreliable CMS, legacy code, third-party systems), but it's been built 'in
> the spirit' of web standards (i.e semantic markup, CSS for most of the
> layout, a few accessibility features etc).
> 
> The sections I have so far in my statement:
> - Access keys - what are they, how to use them.
> - Navigation - unordered lists which degrade well, skip to content link,
> prominent search box, comprehensive sitemap
> - Standard compliance - built to HTML4.01 but will not validate, semantic
> markup used, WCAG compliance
> - Technical requirements - javascript used but degrades without, screen rez
> recomended for visual design but degrades
> - A list of the devices that the site has been tested for accessibility on.
> 
> Whatdya reckon?
> 
> Cheers,
> Cade
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[WSG] The Content Generation

[Chris Kennon]

Hi All,
At:
http://working.ckimedia.com/questionWar/qw_account_01.htm
You'll notice:
Page 1 of n
The goal is dynamic changes based upon the total number of pages. I 
hoping to use generated content, but then shuddered when thinking of UA 
support of this groovy CSS feature. Would someone in the know, perhaps 
having done this, it's not unique, point to a standards based solution.



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[WSG] accessibility statements

[Cade Whitbourn]

What's in a good accessibility statement?
Where are the best accessibility statements you've come across on the web?

I'm currently writing one for the site I work on, to coincide with a
redesign that's nearing completion. I haven't found many good examples of
statements on other corporate sites.

Some background to my site: It won't validate due to technical constraints
(unreliable CMS, legacy code, third-party systems), but it's been built 'in
the spirit' of web standards (i.e semantic markup, CSS for most of the
layout, a few accessibility features etc).

The sections I have so far in my statement:
- Access keys - what are they, how to use them.
- Navigation - unordered lists which degrade well, skip to content link,
prominent search box, comprehensive sitemap
- Standard compliance - built to HTML4.01 but will not validate, semantic
markup used, WCAG compliance
- Technical requirements - javascript used but degrades without, screen rez
recomended for visual design but degrades
- A list of the devices that the site has been tested for accessibility on.

Whatdya reckon?

Cheers,
Cade
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Re: [WSG] empty named anchors

[Susanne Jäger]

Ben Curtis wrote, On 20.01.2005 23:58:

> Or drop the anchor tag altogether. What is the browser compatibility of 
> this:
> 
>   Go to Some ID
> ...
>   Some ID
> 
> 
> My initial tests show great support. Anyone know better?

I've been told, that some Screen-Readers don't support jumping to
elements with id only. Since inner site links are especially useful for
SR-Users, it seems like a good idea to keep the name-attribute.

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Re: [WSG] empty named anchors

[Patrick H. Lauke]

Ben Curtis wrote:
 > Or drop the anchor tag altogether. What is the browser compatibility of
this:
Go to Some ID
...
Some ID
My initial tests show great support. Anyone know better?
Generation 4 and below browsers don't play ball with it, and IE (even 6) 
has some problems with it occasionally (see the section "User agent 
issue - the IE bug" on http://www.jimthatcher.com/skipnav.htm) ... so it 
depends on your audience whether you drop the anchors.
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Re: [WSG] .php extension

[David R]

csslist wrote:
is the page titled index.php or default.php?
if so then u need to have the host set up your site to look for either one by 
default and also flush the cash
u should also take a look at coldfusion ;)
Apache has index.html/php as the default document, IIS opts for 
"default.htm/asp/aspx"

Both of these can easily be overrriden, however.
ColdFusion works in a similar (and simpler) way to ASP.Net's 
Server-Controls, in that you sacrifice control over the exported HTML in 
exchange of ease-of-development.

The difference in DotNet being that its easier to create your own controls
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CLOSED Re: [WSG] Convert uppercase file names to lower case

[James Ellis]

Hi

This is not related to web standards, thread closed.

Please refer to the relevant sources of help for software and
scripting languages.

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Re: [WSG] empty named anchors

[Ben Curtis]

Some heading
Or drop the anchor tag altogether. What is the browser compatibility of 
this:

Go to Some ID
...
Some ID
My initial tests show great support. Anyone know better?
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CLOSED Re: [WSG] .php extension

[James Ellis]

Hi

This list is not the place to discuss set up and configuration of
server side scripting languages. Please review the mail list
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"Discussion of server-side scripting beyond that directly involved
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On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:47:13 -0500, csslist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> is the page titled index.php or default.php?
> if so then u need to have the host set up your site to look for either one by 
> default and also flush the cash
> 
> u should also take a look at coldfusion ;)
> 
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: Bruce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
> Date:  Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:30:45 -0500
> 
> >Paul wrote:
> >
> >>I have a template that I have created and am creating all my pages from
> >>that. I have named this file x.html but when I try and rename it to
> >>x.php, because I have some dynamic content on it, nothing displays. Any
> >>ideas why this happens ?
> >>
> >>Paul
> >>
> >>
> >
> >This may sound dumb, but I switched to php a few times, if you don't
> >delete the old html file the browser will pick that up instead. But I'm
> >sure you thought of that :-)
> >Bruce Prochnau
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Re: [WSG] .php extension

[csslist]

is the page titled index.php or default.php?
if so then u need to have the host set up your site to look for either one by 
default and also flush the cash

u should also take a look at coldfusion ;)


-- Original Message --
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Date:  Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:30:45 -0500

>Paul wrote:
>
>>I have a template that I have created and am creating all my pages from
>>that. I have named this file x.html but when I try and rename it to
>>x.php, because I have some dynamic content on it, nothing displays. Any
>>ideas why this happens ?
>>
>>Paul
>>  
>>
>
>This may sound dumb, but I switched to php a few times, if you don't 
>delete the old html file the browser will pick that up instead. But I'm 
>sure you thought of that :-)
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Re: [WSG] empty named anchors

[Jeroen Visser [ vizi ]]

David R wrote:
Andy Kirkwood | MOTIVE wrote:
I have come across a couple of instances of this where headings have 
been enclosed in an anchor, i.e.

   Heading text
This causes the text colour of the heading to change when moused-over 
(although not a link). From an interface perspective this can be quite 
confusing. (A feedback cue that suggests interaction is possible when it 
is not).
This is why a:link:hover and a:visited:hover are preferable over simple 
a:link

:)
Maybe I've missed some standards or accessibility point, but I'm 
accustomed to coding as follows:

Some heading
Jumping works like a charm, and no hyperlink behaviour other than that 
ever shows up. Afaik, there are no problems with this method whatsoever, 
plus you don't rely on CSS to prevent a particular GUI behaviour.

Jeroen
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Re: [WSG] no more width and height?

[Terrence Wood]

If the dimensions are included in CSS then it won't make a difference. 
If you are using images judiciously (as opposed to gratuitously) then 
the time to render them will be negligible.

I say if the attributes aren't deprecated and the code validates then 
use them.

Terrence Wood.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes, but it takes longer to load if the width and height attributes are
not included, which was my point.
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Re: [WSG] Help - newbie

[Kevin Futter]

Even Dreamweaver's code editing mode does this (context-sensitive syntax
highlighting). There's been a good deal of derogatory commentary about
Dreamweaver recently, but as a web IDE I think it's fantastic. Where people
get into trouble is by relying solely on WYSIWYG mode. I rarely use WYSIWYG
mode, but if you know what you're doing and stick to code editing mode it's
relatively easy to churn out standards-compliant code in DW.

On 21/1/05 1:32 AM, "Alan Trick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> Actually that's nothing new.  Many of the better editors will do that.
> The reasons I switched were 1) I was using PHP and so many of the nice
> things like the built in HTML/CSS Validator.  2) Besides syntax
> highlighting, it doesn't really support PHP (as in being able to parse
> it on the fly) 3) Doesn't work in linux 4) Eclipse can do everything TSW
> Webcoder can do, everything I just mentioned (besides 1, but if I was
> smart enough I could just right and extention for that), and a whole lot
> more.
> 
> Alan Trick
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Re: [WSG] .php extension

[Kornel Lesinski]

On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:48:49 -0330, Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I am on a hosted site, where would I find that file? Other .php pages
display just not this one.
Then you have some fatal error on your page, but server has disabled error  
display.

See it using such php file:

include('your_fatal_file.php'); // change that
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Re: [WSG] Brazilian Portal site Review. Opinions Welcomes

[Genau Junior]

tHANKS..
I gonna make all fix reported by you.
Thanks a lot.

Trusz, Andrew escreveu:

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Subject: [WSG] Brazilian Portal site Review. Opinions Welcomes
Hi.
We are releasing next saturday,  the new interface based in webstandards to
biggest car seller  website of brazil south region and the second of
country.
I would appreciate all comments and suggestions about interface, design and
usability standards.
The temporary address is:
http://meucarronovo.locaweb.com.br
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You've got two closing body tags. 

Any fixed width page will fracture quickly when font sizes are increased.
Its math. If you are stuck with a fixed page width and fixed fonts as design
parameters, not much you can do about it. A liquid design would allow more
flexibility but would also eventually break.
Frankly it looks a whole lot better than the clutter you typically find on
an auto dealership page in the usa.
drew
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[WSG] Site Review - BRAZILIAN portal

[Genau Junior]

Hi.
We are releasing next saturday,  the new interface based in webstandards 
to biggest car seller  website of brazil south region and the second of 
country.

I would appreciate all comments and suggestions about interface, design 
and usability standards.

The temporary address is:
http://meucarronovo.locaweb.com.br
You can post, register and suggest.
The portal nowadays have 15.000 visits per day and almost 350.000 visits 
per month being a huge example of what webstandards can be usefull to 
big websites.

Thanks a lot of all help gave for you last months
Genau Lopes Jr.
www.meucarronovo.com.br

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Re: [WSG] no more width and height?

[standards]

Yes, but it takes longer to load if the width and height attributes are
not included, which was my point.


> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> Also, width and height attributes for images allow the image to load
>> faster because the browser doesn't have to figure out the dimensions.
>
> News to me... the browser works out the dimensions of the image anyway.
>
> Including the width and height attributes has advantages, however... as
> it allows browsers to set out the dimensions of the page before the
> image loads, meaning that there's no more skew-wiff web-page layouts as
> the image loads.
>
> This shouldn't really affect us, the standards people, but it does
> affect those who still rely on the evil of:
>
> 
> />
> 
>
> ...Not that I'd ever write anything like that ;)
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RE: [WSG] window.onunload Event Not Firing in IE

[Mike Pepper]

Solved!

It was the bloody Google toolbar blocking the event as it decided it was
attempting to load a popup. How cretinous!

Sorry for the false request.

Mike

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To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] window.onunload Event Not Firing in IE


I've been battling with this for the best part of 4 hours and it's doing my
head in.

I'm using a cookie to store various accessibility user preferences such as
(alternate) stylesheet, font size and font alignment in
http://www.seowebsitepromotion.com/

I want to record the user's preferences in the cookie when they close a
browser session (or make changes within a session and navigate elsewhere -
which functions correctly).

This works fine in Firefox but Win2K Pro IE6 (untested in other flavours)
refuses to acknowledge the onunload event when closing the browser window.
It does, however, recognise page to page movement and fires the unload event
(as it should) just before the next page is loaded (and perhaps herein lies
a clue, though I'm damned if I can find it).

What this means is users cannot make a preference change, immediately exit
IE and have it stored in the cookie. They must first navigate to another
page (or site) for the event to be fired and the cookie written.

Anybody have any resolutions to this (stupid) behaviour? I've Googled for a
while and can find no pertinent reference.

Cheers in advance.

Mike Pepper
Accessible Web Developer
Internet SEO and Marketing Analyst
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http://www.visidigm.com

Administrator
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Re: [WSG] no more width and height?

[David R]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Also, width and height attributes for images allow the image to load
faster because the browser doesn't have to figure out the dimensions.
News to me... the browser works out the dimensions of the image anyway.
Including the width and height attributes has advantages, however... as 
it allows browsers to set out the dimensions of the page before the 
image loads, meaning that there's no more skew-wiff web-page layouts as 
the image loads.

This shouldn't really affect us, the standards people, but it does 
affect those who still rely on the evil of:


/>

...Not that I'd ever write anything like that ;)
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[WSG] window.onunload Event Not Firing in IE

[Mike Pepper]

I've been battling with this for the best part of 4 hours and it's doing my
head in.

I'm using a cookie to store various accessibility user preferences such as
(alternate) stylesheet, font size and font alignment in
http://www.seowebsitepromotion.com/

I want to record the user's preferences in the cookie when they close a
browser session (or make changes within a session and navigate elsewhere -
which functions correctly).

This works fine in Firefox but Win2K Pro IE6 (untested in other flavours)
refuses to acknowledge the onunload event when closing the browser window.
It does, however, recognise page to page movement and fires the unload event
(as it should) just before the next page is loaded (and perhaps herein lies
a clue, though I'm damned if I can find it).

What this means is users cannot make a preference change, immediately exit
IE and have it stored in the cookie. They must first navigate to another
page (or site) for the event to be fired and the cookie written.

Anybody have any resolutions to this (stupid) behaviour? I've Googled for a
while and can find no pertinent reference.

Cheers in advance.

Mike Pepper
Accessible Web Developer
Internet SEO and Marketing Analyst
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.visidigm.com

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Re: [WSG] Areamaps

[Tom Livingston]

Try 

Tom Livingston
Senior Multimedia Artist
Media Logic
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On Jan 20, 2005, at 2:27 PM, Paul wrote:
Do area maps still work in xhtml or are the gone by the way side ? The
validator is not liking  but if I swap id for name 
the
map doesn't work ? Anyone ?
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Re: [WSG] no more width and height?

[standards]

Also, width and height attributes for images allow the image to load
faster because the browser doesn't have to figure out the dimensions.



> I don't think the width="" or height="" attributes of the  or
>  elements will be depreciated any time soon, if not at all.
> Despite being related to presentation, they lean more towards the
> content. Certain media types have no specified dimensions, what about
> certain SWF files? They will remain optional attributes, imo, with their
>  use at the discretion of the author of the page or of the developer of
> the plugin/applet.
>
> --
> -David R
>
>
> Kevin Francis wrote:
>> Hi Ted
>> The width/height aren't a requirement in XHTML Transitional/Strict. I
>> don't think this means the W3C don't want us to use them any more,
>> just  that you don't have to. I've heard a few people mention the page
>>  building thing before, but I think good image compressions and less
>> mark-up will negate this suggested side effect. The only time I've
>> came  across problems is in MacIE, and that's only when using images
>> 1px high;  which isn't usualy a problem.
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[WSG] Areamaps

[Paul]

Do area maps still work in xhtml or are the gone by the way side ? The
validator is not liking  but if I swap id for name the
map doesn't work ? Anyone ?

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Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 3:01 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] .php extension


Paul wrote:

>I have a template that I have created and am creating all my pages from

>that. I have named this file x.html but when I try and rename it to 
>x.php, because I have some dynamic content on it, nothing displays. Any

>ideas why this happens ?
>
>Paul
>  
>

This may sound dumb, but I switched to php a few times, if you don't 
delete the old html file the browser will pick that up instead. But I'm 
sure you thought of that :-)
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[WSG] yet more valid table tags for xhtml strict

[designer]

Hi Guys,

Well just for completion, I've found that in addition to align and valign
for td, for tables you can use:



and it is perfectly valid XHTML strict! And I'm using the standard DTD, not
a customised one:

http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd";>

So there you go! Border? frame? rules?  All presentational at the end of the
day, surely . . .

Confusing, no?

:-)

Bob McClelland,
Cornwall (U.K.)
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Re: [WSG] .php extension

[Bruce]

Paul wrote:
I have a template that I have created and am creating all my pages from
that. I have named this file x.html but when I try and rename it to
x.php, because I have some dynamic content on it, nothing displays. Any
ideas why this happens ?
Paul
 

This may sound dumb, but I switched to php a few times, if you don't 
delete the old html file the browser will pick that up instead. But I'm 
sure you thought of that :-)
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Re: [WSG] empty named anchors

[David R]

Andy Kirkwood | MOTIVE wrote:
I have come across a couple of instances of this where headings have 
been enclosed in an anchor, i.e.

Heading text
This causes the text colour of the heading to change when moused-over 
(although not a link). From an interface perspective this can be quite 
confusing. (A feedback cue that suggests interaction is possible when it 
is not).
This is why a:link:hover and a:visited:hover are preferable over simple 
a:link

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Re: [WSG] no more width and height?

[David R]

I don't think the width="" or height="" attributes of the  or 
 elements will be depreciated any time soon, if not at all. 
Despite being related to presentation, they lean more towards the 
content. Certain media types have no specified dimensions, what about 
certain SWF files? They will remain optional attributes, imo, with their 
use at the discretion of the author of the page or of the developer of 
the plugin/applet.

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Kevin Francis wrote:
Hi Ted
The width/height aren't a requirement in XHTML Transitional/Strict. I 
don't think this means the W3C don't want us to use them any more, just 
that you don't have to. I've heard a few people mention the page 
building thing before, but I think good image compressions and less 
mark-up will negate this suggested side effect. The only time I've came 
across problems is in MacIE, and that's only when using images 1px high; 
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Re: [WSG] .php extension

[David R]

Alternativly, if you're running IIS, the ISAPI bindings are on the 
ISAPI-Extensions tab of the Dir/Virtual property sheet. You can also 
manage these from the Site property sheets.

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Dave Elkan wrote:
You have to edit your httpd.conf file to process files of  the .html 
suffix.

Look for the line:
AddType application/x-httpd-php .php
make it:
AddType application/x-httpd-php .html .php
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RE: [WSG] .php extension

[Paul]

I am on a hosted site, where would I find that file? Other .php pages
display just not this one.

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You have to edit your httpd.conf file to process files of  the .html
suffix.

Look for the line:
AddType application/x-httpd-php .php

make it:
AddType application/x-httpd-php .html .php

Easy!!

~Dave

Paul wrote:

>I have a template that I have created and am creating all my pages from

>that. I have named this file x.html but when I try and rename it to 
>x.php, because I have some dynamic content on it, nothing displays. Any

>ideas why this happens ?
>
>Paul
>
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>
>Paul wrote:
>  
>
>>I have been writing html code for awhile now and and starting to
>>realize
>>how inaccessible and non-web compliant my pages are. I have always
>>
>>
>hand
>  
>
>>written code in Edit Plus 2, is there a better editor I can use for
>>
>>
>web
>  
>
>>standards ( like Dreamweaver MX ? ) and where should I start for tips
>>
>>
>on
>  
>
>>accessibility and standards compliance.
>> 
>>Thanks for any help.
>>Paul
>>
>>
>
>The editor doesn't make you write bad code--  you do :)  I use edit
>plus2 for all of my dev work, and 99% of it is valid xhtml/css.  the 
>last 1% is because i'm on an MS system at work, and we all know how 
>sometimes, theres just no way to "do it right" and serve a 99.9995% IE6

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Re: [WSG] Help - newbie

[Chris Stratford]

Sorry going to have to stop you there again...
Alan Trick wrote:
 1) I was using PHP and so many of the nice things like the built in 
HTML/CSS Validator.
I dont get what that means...???
Maybe you mean its redundant?
Maybe so, but its a feature never the less...
  2) Besides syntax highlighting, it doesn't really support PHP (as in 
being able to parse it on the fly)
Maybe you have the wrong application, because TSW Webcoder does...
It has SERVER MAPPING.
Which will basically use APACHE and whatever you have installed for 
apache will be excuted...
PHP, PERL, ASP etc...
Whatever your APACHE is configured for.

3) Doesn't work in linux
Nore does it work on Mac I believe :)
thats a good reason to switch, if you use Linux...
4) Eclipse can do everything TSW Webcoder can do, everything I just 
mentioned (besides 1, but if I was smart enough I could just right and 
extention for that), and a whole lot more.
This has become battle of the editors...
:)
I love the Project Reports it generates (from the to do list).
They look great :)
In TSW Webcoder you can write up your own functions, buttons, UI's, 
completly reskin it all...
You can do pretty much anything you like with it...
Its beautiful :)

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Re: [WSG] .php extension

[Carmelyne Thompson]

Paul

Are you viewing this php file on your development computer that is not
on a web server?

Check the  tags too. I am not really sure what you have
going but just throwing off ideas :)
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Paul wrote:

  I have a template that I have created and am creating all my pages from
that. I have named this file x.html but when I try and rename it to
x.php, because I have some dynamic content on it, nothing displays. Any
ideas why this happens ?

Paul

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Paul wrote:
  
  
I have been writing html code for awhile now and and starting to 
realize
how inaccessible and non-web compliant my pages are. I have always

  
  hand 
  
  
written code in Edit Plus 2, is there a better editor I can use for

  
  web 
  
  
standards ( like Dreamweaver MX ? ) and where should I start for tips

  
  on 
  
  
accessibility and standards compliance.
 
Thanks for any help.
Paul

  
  
The editor doesn't make you write bad code--  you do :)  I use edit 
plus2 for all of my dev work, and 99% of it is valid xhtml/css.  the 
last 1% is because i'm on an MS system at work, and we all know how 
sometimes, theres just no way to "do it right" and serve a 99.9995% IE6 
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[WSG] no more width and height?

[Ted Drake]

I've wondered about the width and height. What is the story about eliminating 
the width and height from the image tag. Why do they want us to remove it? 
Doesn't it help the browser build the page?  
It certainly would make for easier maintenance. 

At what point should we remove it? xhtml strict? xhtml 1.0 transitional? Is it 
more backwards compatible to keep it in? Should I just take a deep breath and 
say goodbye to the attributes?

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this should be done with double quotes and there is no need for width/height in 
XHTML
 (double quotes for nul alt tags)

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Re: [WSG] .php extension

[Dave Elkan]

You have to edit your httpd.conf file to process files of  the .html suffix.
Look for the line:
AddType application/x-httpd-php .php
make it:
AddType application/x-httpd-php .html .php
Easy!!
~Dave
Paul wrote:
I have a template that I have created and am creating all my pages from
that. I have named this file x.html but when I try and rename it to
x.php, because I have some dynamic content on it, nothing displays. Any
ideas why this happens ?
Paul
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Paul wrote:
 

I have been writing html code for awhile now and and starting to 
realize
how inaccessible and non-web compliant my pages are. I have always
   

hand 
 

written code in Edit Plus 2, is there a better editor I can use for
   

web 
 

standards ( like Dreamweaver MX ? ) and where should I start for tips
   

on 
 

accessibility and standards compliance.
Thanks for any help.
Paul
   

The editor doesn't make you write bad code--  you do :)  I use edit 
plus2 for all of my dev work, and 99% of it is valid xhtml/css.  the 
last 1% is because i'm on an MS system at work, and we all know how 
sometimes, theres just no way to "do it right" and serve a 99.9995% IE6 
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Re: [WSG] no more width and height?

[Kevin Francis]

Hi Ted
The width/height aren't a requirement in XHTML Transitional/Strict. I 
don't think this means the W3C don't want us to use them any more, just 
that you don't have to. I've heard a few people mention the page 
building thing before, but I think good image compressions and less 
mark-up will negate this suggested side effect. The only time I've came 
across problems is in MacIE, and that's only when using images 1px high; 
which isn't usualy a problem.

Kev*
Ted Drake wrote:
I've wondered about the width and height. What is the story about eliminating the width and height from the image tag. Why do they want us to remove it? Doesn't it help the browser build the page?  
It certainly would make for easier maintenance. 

At what point should we remove it? xhtml strict? xhtml 1.0 transitional? Is it 
more backwards compatible to keep it in? Should I just take a deep breath and 
say goodbye to the attributes?
Ted Drake
Web Content Editor
CSA Travel Protection
http://www.csatravelprotection.com

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this should be done with double quotes and there is no need for width/height in 
XHTML
 (double quotes for nul alt tags)
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[WSG] .php extension

[Paul]

I have a template that I have created and am creating all my pages from
that. I have named this file x.html but when I try and rename it to
x.php, because I have some dynamic content on it, nothing displays. Any
ideas why this happens ?

Paul

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Paul wrote:
> I have been writing html code for awhile now and and starting to 
> realize
> how inaccessible and non-web compliant my pages are. I have always
hand 
> written code in Edit Plus 2, is there a better editor I can use for
web 
> standards ( like Dreamweaver MX ? ) and where should I start for tips
on 
> accessibility and standards compliance.
>  
> Thanks for any help.
> Paul

The editor doesn't make you write bad code--  you do :)  I use edit 
plus2 for all of my dev work, and 99% of it is valid xhtml/css.  the 
last 1% is because i'm on an MS system at work, and we all know how 
sometimes, theres just no way to "do it right" and serve a 99.9995% IE6 
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Re: [WSG] Brazilian Portal site Review. Opinions Welcomes

[Kevin Francis]

Hi.
A few points which you may want to consider;
 is a depreciated element in XHTML, use  instead.

this should be done with double quotes and there is no need for width/height in 
XHTML
 (double quotes for nul alt tags)
When using palavra :

When using Jump Menus mark-up the top level as selected;
Curitiba
Personally I would scrap the Accesskeys as I believe (along with others) that 
there are too many user agent conflicts for them to be of any real benefit.
Also I would add Link Rels in the head section to aid navigation as well as a 
Skip Navigation Link. If you include a Skip Navigation Link then scrap the 
Tabindex to, as you should have a logical tab order anyway.
Kev*

Trusz, Andrew wrote:

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Hi.
We are releasing next saturday,  the new interface based in webstandards to
biggest car seller  website of brazil south region and the second of
country.
I would appreciate all comments and suggestions about interface, design and
usability standards.
The temporary address is:
http://meucarronovo.locaweb.com.br
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You've got two closing body tags. 

Any fixed width page will fracture quickly when font sizes are increased.
Its math. If you are stuck with a fixed page width and fixed fonts as design
parameters, not much you can do about it. A liquid design would allow more
flexibility but would also eventually break.
Frankly it looks a whole lot better than the clutter you typically find on
an auto dealership page in the usa.
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[WSG] Re: [WD]: Techniques for Search Engine Optimization [SEO]

[Bruce]

Christoph Herrmann wrote:
Well, many blogs are! I am just writing an article about blogs and how 
they can be used to create search engine friendly content. Think about 
it:

And yes, I have successfully built sites this way and they are at the 
very top of Google rankings for their targeted keywords. Without 
redundant information, without duplicating content and without 
spamming. Just lots of hard work.

But no, it won't apply for everyone type of site and every single site 
out there. And no, I don't agree 100% with all of it, but the general 
technique is not bad, it's not unethical and it doesn't have to be 
spammy or low quality.
Just my $.02 :)
Chris


I have been over the past year doing a lot of work redesigning Movable 
Type to be more suitable for any site. When you know it well, it has 
unlimited posibilities. I also find most of my articles rank on the 
first page at google. Between  content,  sensible layout of content 
and the software design it ranks very high.
Bruce
www.bkdesign.ca
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Re: [WSG] valid table tags for xhtml strict

[Kornel Lesinski]

It is expected, but does it belong to HTML?
 means "header" and is expected to look like a header, even if it is
small.
What makes h1 look like a header if not for a significantly larger size
than everything else?
Alignment? Font style? Color? Background? Decoration? Letter spacing?
People used to have typewriters with one size of font,
and still documents have had headers.
What make columnar data columnar if not for
alignment in and within columns?
IMHO this logically doesn't make sense.
There can't be anything *within* a column that makes it a column.
You need to have a column in a first place, to have something within it.
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RE: [WSG] meta tag standards

[Phil Baines]

Hello again list!

 

Okay, thanks for all
the feedback! Especially Kornel Lesinski for the link to (http://dpawson.co.uk/xsl/sect2/sect21.html)
where I found (http://dpawson.co.uk/xsl/sect2/N4622.html),
and this piece of code:

 

  

 

I have never seen that done before with the XPath
_expression_ in curly brackets. It’s not very widely documented at all! 

 

So now, instead of using this XSL:

 











 

Producing this HTML:

 

 I can use this:   To produce this:  Also, thanks to Bert Doorn for showing me where it says that a separate closing tag is forbidden for Meta tags. It’s always good when someone can point to a reference rather than just saying so. I think that I will right a short entry on my site about this. Thanks all again for the help. Regards,Phil Baines

 

 



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technology

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telephone: 01239 711 471











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Hello List, 

 

Is there anything wrong with closing meta tags like so:

 

        meta> The reason that I ask is that I am developing our new company website (http://dev.netring.co.uk/netring2004 - I started it in 2004) and I am using XML and XSLT as the backend template system. The problem is that I can’t get XSLT to close my Meta tag () in the way that I wish it to be. I was wondering if there was actually anything wrong with closing it in a separate closing tag.  Thanks for any advice,Phil Baines

 





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Re: [WSG] valid table tags for xhtml strict

[Kornel Lesinski]

I thought the whole point behind (x)HTML strict was separation of  
content and presentation. Keeping "align" attributes does not seem to  
fit in.
I think I've found the reason why these properties are kept.
There is a fundamental incompatibility of HTML columns model
and CSS inheritance:
http://ln.hixie.ch/?start=1070385285&count=1
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Re: [WSG] valid table tags for xhtml strict

[Felix Miata]

Kornel Lesinski wrote:
 
> > Positioning (presentation) is expected in tables, much like H1 is
> > expected to be quite large (presentation).
 
> It is expected, but does it belong to HTML?
>  means "header" and is expected to look like a header, even if it is
> small.

What makes h1 look like a header if not for a significantly larger size
than everything else? What make columnar data columnar if not for
alignment in and within columns?
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Re: [WSG] valid table tags for xhtml strict

[Felix Miata]

Bert Doorn wrote:

> Let me rewrite...   "The expected result is readily achievable
> with no *align attributes* at all"
... 
> I thought the whole point behind (x)HTML strict was separation of
> content and presentation. Keeping "align" attributes does not
> seem to fit in.
 
The question was asked why align and valign for tables was retained in
XHTML strict. I merely posited.
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Re: [WSG] valid table tags for xhtml strict

[Bert Doorn]

G'day
Felix Miata wrote:
That wasn't my point. The expected result is readily achievable with no
CSS at all. The few cell alignments that would deviate from the norm in
any given table would require no significant difference in file size
from those that require CSS classes for the same purpose, and the
stylesheet itself would be just so much additional baggage.
Let me rewrite...   "The expected result is readily achievable 
with no *align attributes* at all"

Am I missing your point or are you missing Kornel's and mine?
Positioning (presentation) is expected in tables, much like H1 is
expected to be quite large (presentation).
So by your argument we would also need a "size" attribute on h1?
Or introduce attributes "color" and "underline" for links?  After 
all, people expect them to be blue and underlined.

Guess what.  We don't need such attributes because CSS can take 
care of it, keeping the (x)HTML document nice and clean.

I thought the whole point behind (x)HTML strict was separation of 
content and presentation. Keeping "align" attributes does not 
seem to fit in.

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RE: [WSG] Brazilian Portal site Review. Opinions Welcomes

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Hi.

We are releasing next saturday,  the new interface based in webstandards to
biggest car seller  website of brazil south region and the second of
country.

I would appreciate all comments and suggestions about interface, design and
usability standards.


The temporary address is:
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You've got two closing body tags. 

Any fixed width page will fracture quickly when font sizes are increased.
Its math. If you are stuck with a fixed page width and fixed fonts as design
parameters, not much you can do about it. A liquid design would allow more
flexibility but would also eventually break.

Frankly it looks a whole lot better than the clutter you typically find on
an auto dealership page in the usa.

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Re: [WSG] valid table tags for xhtml strict

[Kornel Lesinski]

That wasn't my point. The expected result is readily achievable with no
CSS at all. The few cell alignments that would deviate from the norm in
any given table would require no significant difference in file size
from those that require CSS classes for the same purpose, and the
stylesheet itself would be just so much additional baggage.
I think the same can be said about  and ...
If the alignment is different, will it change the meaning of data? I  
think not. It's presentational.

Positioning (presentation) is expected in tables, much like H1 is
expected to be quite large (presentation).
It is expected, but does it belong to HTML?
 means "header" and is expected to look like a header, even if it is  
small.
OTOH  is expected to be quite large...

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Re: [WSG] Help - newbie

[Alan Trick]

Actually that's nothing new.  Many of the better editors will do that.  
The reasons I switched were 1) I was using PHP and so many of the nice 
things like the built in HTML/CSS Validator.  2) Besides syntax 
highlighting, it doesn't really support PHP (as in being able to parse 
it on the fly) 3) Doesn't work in linux 4) Eclipse can do everything TSW 
Webcoder can do, everything I just mentioned (besides 1, but if I was 
smart enough I could just right and extention for that), and a whole lot 
more.

Alan Trick
Chris Stratford wrote:
Glad to help!
It honestly is the best ever coder I have used.
It is true that for Server Side Scripting - it isn't as helpful as it 
is for HTML.
But is is really advanced in that, when you have a document - for 
example a PHP document, like below:





css css css
css css css
css css css
css css css


 script script
 script script
 script script
 script script

html html html
html html html
html html html
html html html

The program will use PHP Syntax Highligting for the PHP side of the 
page...
HTML for the HTML.
CSS for the Styles...
and Javascript for the Javascript :)

Its really good!!!
Love it!
Bruce wrote:
Chris Stratford wrote:
Wow,wow,wow slow down Alan,
... 
I LOVE TSW WebCoder.
Built in FTP is Excellent!
Built in Project Manager - with Status reports, To Do Lists, Full 
Project Upload
Built in Server Mapping.
Preview in IE and Mozilla - only for HTML coding, or if your server 
mapping...
HTML Tidy is built in...
Built in HTML/CSS Validator - on the fly validators...
Own Scripting Engine, to build your own UI or just functions...

Reading the above I decided it wouldn't kill me to try this out. 
Normally I use an editor just to have clear code highlighted, but 
this one is terrific. I especially like the download/edit/upload. A 
great timesaver for sure, and I haven't checked out all of it yet.

Thank you Chris, you have made my work easier. That's what the group 
excels at, helping each other :-)

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Re: [WSG] valid table tags for xhtml strict

[Felix Miata]

Kornel Lesinski wrote:
 
> > Because people expect data cells to be centered under column headings
> > and row headings to be left aligned more often than not?
 
> This can be done with CSS.

That wasn't my point. The expected result is readily achievable with no
CSS at all. The few cell alignments that would deviate from the norm in
any given table would require no significant difference in file size
from those that require CSS classes for the same purpose, and the
stylesheet itself would be just so much additional baggage.

> If the alignment is different, will it change the meaning of data? I think  
> not. It's presentational.

Positioning (presentation) is expected in tables, much like H1 is
expected to be quite large (presentation).
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[WSG] Re: [WD]: Re: How Do I Learn to do Website Design?

[Bruce]

Zoe M. Gillenwater wrote:
  "Unfortunately, I can't recommend any sites or books at this 
time -- I don't have many beginner sites bookmarked, and my beginner 
books are all quite old at this point! ..."


One of the best sites I have seen is W3Schools, they have a lot of 
tutorials and working demos that you can change code on the left and 
see the results on the right.
http://www.w3schools.com/css/default.asp
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Re: [WSG] Help - newbie

[Chris Stratford]

No Problemo Jason!
The code validator is odd, when you click on a HTML element in the 
source, it will show up in the status bar if its valid etc as well.
I havn't really used the validators much, but i know they are there 
because before I wrote up teh little snippet, i was looking through the 
settings.
Version 6 is nearly out as well!!

I cant wait.
Remember to support the guy who makes it :)
It must sound like he is a friend, but i dont know him at all :)
So yeah.
Glad I helpd some people!
Cheers!
Jason Foss wrote:
I haven't even heard of TSW coder before - but it looks pretty good.
The built-in code validators look really handy - especially for
bug-hunting.
Thanks for the link!
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:35:31 +1100, Chris Stratford
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 

Glad to help!
It honestly is the best ever coder I have used.
It is true that for Server Side Scripting - it isn't as helpful as it is
for HTML.
But is is really advanced in that, when you have a document - for
example a PHP document, like below:




css css css
css css css
css css css
css css css


 script script
 script script
 script script
 script script

html html html
html html html
html html html
html html html
The program will use PHP Syntax Highligting for the PHP side of the page...
HTML for the HTML.
CSS for the Styles...
and Javascript for the Javascript :)
Its really good!!!
Love it!
Bruce wrote:
   

Chris Stratford wrote:
 

Wow,wow,wow slow down Alan,
... 
I LOVE TSW WebCoder.
Built in FTP is Excellent!
Built in Project Manager - with Status reports, To Do Lists, Full
Project Upload
Built in Server Mapping.
Preview in IE and Mozilla - only for HTML coding, or if your server
mapping...
HTML Tidy is built in...
Built in HTML/CSS Validator - on the fly validators...
Own Scripting Engine, to build your own UI or just functions...
Reading the above I decided it wouldn't kill me to try this out.
Normally I use an editor just to have clear code highlighted, but
this one is terrific. I especially like the download/edit/upload. A
great timesaver for sure, and I haven't checked out all of it yet.
   

Thank you Chris, you have made my work easier. That's what the group
excels at, helping each other :-)
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Re: [WSG] valid table tags for xhtml strict

[designer]

Thanks Bert, Kornel,

I read the DTD by downloading the file, loading into FF and viewing the
source (IE wouldn't load it :-)  Very interesting. As usual, one thing leads
to another and I learnt lots of stuff in there.

Bert, your reference to  www.zvon.org was invaluable!  What a source of
information!
Much obliged.

Bob McClelland,
Cornwall (U.K.)
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P.S. Why is this damn text so BIG?  :-)

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Re: [WSG] valid table tags for xhtml strict

[Kornel Lesinski]

Because people expect data cells to be centered under column headings
and row headings to be left aligned more often than not?
This can be done with CSS.
If the alignment is different, will it change the meaning of data? I think  
not.
It's presentational.

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Re: [WSG] valid table tags for xhtml strict

[Felix Miata]

Kornel Lesinski wrote:
 
> > http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/index/attributes.html indicates that the
> > "align" attribute it is *NOT* deprecated for COL, COLGROUP, TBODY, TD,
> > TFOOT, TH, THEAD and TR.  Neither is valign.
 
> Oh, you're right. I'm surprised.
> I thought that simply ALL presentational attributes are deprecated.
> Why these aren't?

Because people expect data cells to be centered under column headings
and row headings to be left aligned more often than not?
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Re: [WSG] meta tag standards

[Bert Doorn]

G'day
Is there anything wrong with closing meta tags like so:


I was wondering if there was actually anything wrong with closing it in a separate closing tag. 
http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/index/elements.html
Scroll down to META.  Look at the third column (which is for End 
Tag).  It says "F", which means FORBIDDEN.  It is also an "empty" 
element, just like IMG, INPUT, BR, HR (to mention a few obvious 
ones).

http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/#C_2 says:
Include a space before the trailing / and > of empty elements, 
e.g. ,  and . 
Also, use the minimized tag syntax for empty elements, e.g. , as the alternative syntax  allowed by XML gives 
uncertain results in many existing user agents.

So yes, I'd say there is something wrong with , 
just like there is with  and 

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[WSG] javascript

[Bruce]

I have altered the code in a Movable Type site to allow using a 
different script for photo pop ups. Changed the default code fine, 
everything works...except...I coded it to include the alt="title" in the 
thumb code which it didn't do before. Only problem is that I now get  
alt="images/daggarlake.jpg", which is  a major accomplishment for 
me...lol.  Can anyone point me towards a place that gives some idea of 
the  code to remove the jpg and /images? I have searched all over, and 
am starting to study it a lot more...but need to fix this in the meantime
Thanks
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Re: [WSG] meta tag standards

[Kornel Lesinski]

Is there anything wrong with closing meta tags like so:



In XML probably not, but tag-soup browsers/robots may try to "fix" your  
code
and assume that  is ment to be  or something like that.

My XSLT knowledge is tiny, but I think that it is quite possible to
make  tag, check XSLT FAQ:
http://dpawson.co.uk/xsl/sect2/sect21.html
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Re: [WSG] meta tag standards

[Lea de Groot]

On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:57:02 -, Phil Baines wrote:
> 
> 

The correct syntax would be


Note the slash inside the meta tag!
See http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/#h-4.6

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RE: [WSG] mysterious little movement

[Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media]]

Danke, Ingo! Thanks. 

> -Original Message-
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> To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
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> 
> Looks like you've fixed it. Forcing buggy IE to show at least 
> 250px of 
> canvas seems to do the trick, fine.
> 
> Opera gives the body a padding, you might add padding:0 to body{} to 
> align the little white triangles/rounded corners.
> 
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[WSG] meta tag standards

[Phil Baines]

Hello List, 

 

Is there anything wrong with closing meta tags like so:

 

        meta> The reason that I ask is that I am developing our new company website (http://dev.netring.co.uk/netring2004 - I started it in 2004) and I am using XML and XSLT as the backend template system. The problem is that I can’t get XSLT to close my Meta tag () in the way that I wish it to be. I was wondering if there was actually anything wrong with closing it in a separate closing tag.  Thanks for any advice,Phil Baines

 





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Re: [WSG] valid table tags for xhtml strict

[Kornel Lesinski]

Kornel - you might like to double-check your statement that "It is not  
valid in XHTML/1.1 or any Strict [X]HTML version."

http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/index/attributes.html indicates that the  
"align" attribute it is *NOT* deprecated for COL, COLGROUP, TBODY, TD,  
TFOOT, TH, THEAD and TR.  Neither is valign.
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Re: [WSG] Help - newbie

[Jason Foss]

I haven't even heard of TSW coder before - but it looks pretty good.
The built-in code validators look really handy - especially for
bug-hunting.

Thanks for the link!


On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:35:31 +1100, Chris Stratford
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Glad to help!
> 
> It honestly is the best ever coder I have used.
> It is true that for Server Side Scripting - it isn't as helpful as it is
> for HTML.
> But is is really advanced in that, when you have a document - for
> example a PHP document, like below:
> 
>php php php
>   php php php
>   php php php
>   php php php
> ?>
> 
> 
> 
>  css css css
>  css css css
>  css css css
>  css css css
> 
> 
>   script script
>   script script
>   script script
>   script script
> 
> html html html
> html html html
> html html html
> html html html
> 
> The program will use PHP Syntax Highligting for the PHP side of the page...
> HTML for the HTML.
> CSS for the Styles...
> and Javascript for the Javascript :)
> 
> Its really good!!!
> Love it!
> 
> 
> Bruce wrote:
> 
> > Chris Stratford wrote:
> >
> >> Wow,wow,wow slow down Alan,
> >> ... 
> >> I LOVE TSW WebCoder.
> >> Built in FTP is Excellent!
> >> Built in Project Manager - with Status reports, To Do Lists, Full
> >> Project Upload
> >> Built in Server Mapping.
> >> Preview in IE and Mozilla - only for HTML coding, or if your server
> >> mapping...
> >> HTML Tidy is built in...
> >> Built in HTML/CSS Validator - on the fly validators...
> >> Own Scripting Engine, to build your own UI or just functions...
> >>
> >> Reading the above I decided it wouldn't kill me to try this out.
> >> Normally I use an editor just to have clear code highlighted, but
> >> this one is terrific. I especially like the download/edit/upload. A
> >> great timesaver for sure, and I haven't checked out all of it yet.
> >
> >
> > Thank you Chris, you have made my work easier. That's what the group
> > excels at, helping each other :-)
> >
> > Bruce Prochnau
> > www.bkdesign.ca
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Re: [WSG] valid table tags for xhtml strict

[Bert Doorn]

G'day
I'm looking for a list of valid attributes which can be used with tables in
XHTML strict. 
Best source would be the actual DTD at the World Wide Web 
Consortium. However, as that can be a bit hard to read, I 
recommend you have a look at www.zvon.org - you can use their 
XHTML reference online or download it.

Also, whereas 'align="center" cannot be used as a table attribute it is perfectly valid to say . I can
understand that this because it relates to the DATA (not the box), but it
can be confusing.
I am surprised to see the align attribute (and valign) are still 
valid on some elements in the strict DTD.  To me, they are 
presentational in nature (why would one "align" data other than 
for layout/presentation?)

Kornel - you might like to double-check your statement that "It 
is not valid in XHTML/1.1 or any Strict [X]HTML version."

http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/index/attributes.html indicates 
that the "align" attribute it is *NOT* deprecated for COL, 
COLGROUP, TBODY, TD, TFOOT, TH, THEAD and TR.  Neither is valign.

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Re: [WSG] valid table tags for xhtml strict

[Kornel Lesinski]

and got a lot of very unreliable information and not found what I'm  
looking
for.
Try the source: http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/
XHTML is based on HTML4, so this also applies (note the Deprecated  
columns!):
http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/index/elements.html
http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/index/attributes.html

I'm looking for a list of valid attributes which can be used with tables  
in XHTML strict.
If you know how to read DTD, check the URL in DOCTYPE you use.
Also, whereas 'align="center" cannot be used as a table attribute it is perfectly valid to say .
It is presentational attribute.
It is not valid in XHTML/1.1 or any Strict [X]HTML version.
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[WSG] valid table tags for xhtml strict

[designer]

Hello everyone,

Could someone please point me to the information I'm after - I've searched
and got a lot of very unreliable information and not found what I'm looking
for.

I'm looking for a list of valid attributes which can be used with tables in
XHTML strict. Dreamweaver is disappointing in this respect, in that it
allows me to use things like 'bordercolor', then the page fails to validate.
Also, whereas 'align="center" cannot be used as a table attribute it is perfectly valid to say . I can
understand that this because it relates to the DATA (not the box), but it
can be confusing.

Anyone with any info (or sources) ?  Failing that, I'm going to have to use
each one in turn and try validating!

Many thanks,

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Re: [WSG] mysterious little movement

[IChao]

Looks like you've fixed it. Forcing buggy IE to show at least 250px of 
canvas seems to do the trick, fine.

Opera gives the body a padding, you might add padding:0 to body{} to 
align the little white triangles/rounded corners.

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Re: [WSG] Help - newbie

[Chris Stratford]

Glad to help!
It honestly is the best ever coder I have used.
It is true that for Server Side Scripting - it isn't as helpful as it is 
for HTML.
But is is really advanced in that, when you have a document - for 
example a PHP document, like below:





css css css
css css css
css css css
css css css


 script script
 script script
 script script
 script script

html html html
html html html
html html html
html html html

The program will use PHP Syntax Highligting for the PHP side of the page...
HTML for the HTML.
CSS for the Styles...
and Javascript for the Javascript :)
Its really good!!!
Love it!
Bruce wrote:
Chris Stratford wrote:
Wow,wow,wow slow down Alan,
... 
I LOVE TSW WebCoder.
Built in FTP is Excellent!
Built in Project Manager - with Status reports, To Do Lists, Full 
Project Upload
Built in Server Mapping.
Preview in IE and Mozilla - only for HTML coding, or if your server 
mapping...
HTML Tidy is built in...
Built in HTML/CSS Validator - on the fly validators...
Own Scripting Engine, to build your own UI or just functions...

Reading the above I decided it wouldn't kill me to try this out. 
Normally I use an editor just to have clear code highlighted, but 
this one is terrific. I especially like the download/edit/upload. A 
great timesaver for sure, and I haven't checked out all of it yet.

Thank you Chris, you have made my work easier. That's what the group 
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RE: [WSG] Forms using CSS

[Mike Foskett]

Hi Ryan,

I have a list of form guidelines including links to resources which may be of 
use:
http://www.websemantics.co.uk/tutorials/form_guidelines/


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