Re: [WSG] Re: please avoid forcing people to open pdf in browser!

2007-07-24 Thread Terrence Wood
Joyce Evans wrote: Content-disposition: attachment; filename=document.pdf This seems to be a good idea. Could you please give an example where this code would be placed on the web page or how it would fit into the code? You can set this as a http header using a server side script. In

[WSG] Using target=_blank

2007-07-24 Thread Ryan Lin
Hi all, With the XHTML Strict DTD, forcing a new window to open for a link via target=_blank is not a valid semantic method anymore. I myself believe that whether to open in a new or current window should be user decision, not wed designer/developer. If I am using Strict DTD, the only way to

Re: [WSG] Using target=_blank

2007-07-24 Thread Tim Offenstein
So what argument should I give to my clients not to use target=_blank ? If I say that won't validate your page, they won't care. So any non-technical argument that I can give to them? Ryan The best non-technical argument I can think of is that this approach breaks the back button. Jakob

Re: [WSG] Using target=_blank

2007-07-24 Thread Hassan Schroeder
Ryan Lin wrote: With the XHTML Strict DTD, forcing a new window to open for a link via target=_blank is not a valid semantic method anymore. I myself believe that whether to open in a new or current window should be user decision, not wed designer/developer. Why? If you have logical

Re: [WSG] Using target=_blank

2007-07-24 Thread Ryan Lin
Well, I am just gathering more argument points so that the clients have nothing to say but to agree and accept the concept. :) Hassan Schroeder wrote: Ryan Lin wrote: With the XHTML Strict DTD, forcing a new window to open for a link via target=_blank is not a valid semantic method

Re: [WSG] Using target=_blank

2007-07-24 Thread Mike at Green-Beast.com
Users can choose to open a new window or tab if they want to (though many will need to be taught this). If the choice is made for them by implementing the target attribute, the power of choice and preference is taken from them and it's irretrievable. Personally I prefer links to open in the

RE: [WSG] Using target=_blank

2007-07-24 Thread michael.brockington
How about asking the client if they want a 'modern' web site or an old-fashioned one? Assuming they ask for the former, then inform them that it is not possible to have pop-up windows of any kind. Also mention pop-up blockers and ask if they want to be 'that kind of site' Mike -Original

Re: [WSG] Using target=_blank

2007-07-24 Thread insure
Personally I prefer links to open in the same Window. But that's me. And I don't want to force my preference on anyone. That's why it's nicer to leave it to the user to decide. The only way to let users decide is to open links in the same window by default and teach said users a function of

Re: [WSG] Using target=_blank

2007-07-24 Thread Brian Cummiskey
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry but I don't agree...to a point. As a web designer and user myself, I prefer opening another window IF it is to a different website that I am referring them to. That way the customer doesn't go wondering thru the other website and forget to come back to mine.

RE: [WSG] Using target=_blank

2007-07-24 Thread Joyce Evans
I agree with you completely, but we are definitely in the minority here. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 12:19 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Using target=_blank

Re: [WSG] Using target=_blank

2007-07-24 Thread Chris Price
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I prefer opening another window IF it is to a different website that I am referring them to. That way the customer doesn't go wondering thru the other website and forget to come back to mine. Mine will always be open in the background to remind them (kind of like I'm

Re: [WSG] Using target=_blank

2007-07-24 Thread Andrew Maben
On Jul 24, 2007, at 1:19 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That way the customer doesn't go wondering thru the other website and forget to come back to mine. If you go to the mall, would you be happier if every store you entered assigned a staff member to accompany you so you don't forget to

Re: [WSG] Using target=_blank

2007-07-24 Thread David Hucklesby
On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 13:19:21 -0400 (EDT), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally I prefer links to open in the same Window. But that's me. And I don't want to force my preference on anyone. That's why it's nicer to leave it to the user to decide. The only way to let users decide is to open

Re: [WSG] Using target=_blank

2007-07-24 Thread insure
That way the customer doesn't go wondering thru the other website and forget to come back to mine. Further, it's a misunderstanding of the dynamics of the relationship to speak of users visiting your site. On the contrary, the user is extending an invitation to your site to visit HER browser, on

Re: [WSG] Using target=_blank

2007-07-24 Thread Andrew Freedman
Firstly I have no argument for you to give your customer. Having a new window is not like having windows pop up automatically. If there is a requirement for the content to be displayed in a new window then why use a different doc type for that one page? Now when I mention requirement' I

RE: [WSG] Using target=_blank

2007-07-24 Thread Joyce Evans
Links to other websites that are opened in a separate window from my websites using target=_blank don't go to competitors' websites. They are simply informational. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Maben Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 1:16 PM To:

Re: [WSG] Using target=_blank

2007-07-24 Thread Nick Fitzsimons
On Tue, July 24, 2007 6:19 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry but I don't agree...to a point. As a web designer and user myself, I prefer opening another window IF it is to a different website that I am referring them to. That way the customer doesn't go wondering thru the other website and

Re: [WSG] Using target=_blank

2007-07-24 Thread Rimantas Liubertas
I used to work for a web development company who designed a website for a large homebuilder. At the bottom of the home page, we had a link to our website, i.e. Site designed by ourCompany. We did not use target=_blank. When our homebuilder customer clicked on our link and found themselves in

Re: [WSG] Using target=_blank

2007-07-24 Thread Dave Lane
Wow, that's very well said, especially your clarification of the relationship dynamics between the website and the visitor. Thanks, Dave Andrew Maben wrote: If you go to the mall, would you be happier if every store you entered assigned a staff member to accompany you so you don't forget to

[WSG] an inline element (inside a block element) sibling of another block element

2007-07-24 Thread Julián Landerreche
Hi all, Suppose: div pI deserve to be a block/p aI don't deserve to be a block/a /div The a element has a block parent (div) as element. But it also has a sibling element (p), which is a block element. *Would you say it's valid?* I've been searching (not too much) but haven't find too

Re: [WSG] Using target=_blank

2007-07-24 Thread Al Sparber
From: David Hucklesby [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hmm. What's easy to use when you wind up with a bunch of spawned windows that must be closed one by one? I'm not advocating popup windows, but with a simple script is very easy to open popup windows while reusing the same window. That is, maximum number

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2007-07-24 Thread Sander Aarts
Andrew Maben schreef: Further, it's a misunderstanding of the dynamics of the relationship to speak of users visiting your site. On the contrary, the user is extending an invitation to your site to visit HER browser, on HER computer, in HER home or workplace, so you (we) are beholden to the

Re: [WSG] an inline element (inside a block element) sibling of another block element

2007-07-24 Thread Sander Aarts
Julián Landerreche schreef: So, is it valid to mix inline and block elements (as siblings) as long as the inline elements are children of a block element? I think it is valid, but this will change in HTML5 if I'm correct. In its specs it says that a div for instance, can have either inline

Re: [WSG] an inline element (inside a block element) sibling of another block element

2007-07-24 Thread Michael Turnwall
Julin Landerreche wrote: Hi all, Suppose: div pI deserve to be a block/p aI don't deserve to be a block/a /div The "a" element has a block parent ("div") as element. But it also has a sibling element ("p"), which is a block element. *Would you say it's valid?* I've been

Re: [WSG] Using target=_blank

2007-07-24 Thread Jermayn Parker
Unless im mistaken the original question was asking about some ideas to sell strict DTD to the client (which means no target=blank code) and not whether users/ designers prefer to have windows open in seperate windows. That discussion was last week, so discuss in that. about the original

Re: [WSG] an inline element (inside a block element) sibling of another block element

2007-07-24 Thread Jermayn Parker
div A line of plain text. pA paragraph./p Another line of text. /div Now a question, Is this actually valid?? I recently recieved some templates of another designer and this was scattered all throughout the pages. I went through and put p around them BUT is it valid??? Or is it a

Re: [WSG] Using target=_blank

2007-07-24 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Ryan Lin wrote: With the XHTML Strict DTD, forcing a new window to open for a link via target=_blank is not a valid semantic method anymore. I myself believe that whether to open in a new or current window should be user decision, not wed designer/developer. If I am using Strict DTD, the only