Re: [WSG] Validating Flash

Hi Tim, For XHTML 1.0 Strict I use: Alternative content for users if plug-in fails to load. Kind Regards, Kane Tapping Web Standards Developer Web and Content Management Services Griffith University. 4111. Australia. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: +61 (0)7 3735 7630 "Tim MacKay" <[

Re: [WSG] Validating Flash

Hi Tim, Already we had some discussion related to this. Please refer the mails with heading "*The correct way of placing a swf file into a XHTML webpage*". Here, you can find some information. Thanks! Venkatesan M On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 11:07 AM, Tim MacKay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Lis

Re: [WSG] Validating Flash

Use swfobject, check my web site http://www.pureflash.net, see how I embed my swfs and make it that way, it will work. On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 8:06 AM, Andrew Freedman < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Tim MacKay provided the following information on 27/03/2008 4:37 PM: > > Hi List, > > > > My ques

Re: [WSG] Validating Flash

Tim MacKay provided the following information on 27/03/2008 4:37 PM: Hi List, My question is about embedding Flash on html pages (just certain elements -- not talking about full flash sites). I always get errors from HTML Tidy and the validator about the object and embed tags, which wreck

RE: [WSG] Why is deprecated?

I agree with the reasoning but in practice I think its actually better to use and (maybe not so much ) - sometimes you just want something bold and its much less markup to wrap and instead of some text then .bold { font-weight: bold; etc; etc; } I hope they don't deprecate it completely, it is

[WSG] Validating Flash

Hi List, My question is about embedding Flash on html pages (just certain elements - not talking about full flash sites). I always get errors from HTML Tidy and the validator about the object and embed tags, which wrecks my validated markup. What is the standards-compliant way to embed Flash el

Re: [WSG] Why is deprecated?

The presentational elements such as , , and are deprecated as because it can be achieved by CSS. For example, can be achieved by *"text-decoration: underline*;". I think, and have been left for *screen readers* to understand the emphasize part. Thanks! Venkatesan M On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at

RE: [WSG] floats and ie7

> thanks thierry for your response. there was no width set on the nav div and > that was the culprit. > after my bout with the nn4 style sheet i guess i was brain dead. let me know > when you will be in alabama Hi Dwain, It does not need a width, it needs "hasLayout" [1]. If it works with

[WSG] why do some divs shrink wrap and others don't [OT?]

after my experience tonight i was wondering why some divs will shrink wrap their contents while others don't. any takers? dwain -- dwain alford "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky *

RE: [WSG] Why is deprecated?

Thanks for the explanation John. I think the standards group still should have deprecated and though. Seems a pretty weak argument to say that and will be misused because and already are. Bold and italics can be controlled through CSS as well, leaving HTML as clean and semantic as possible.

Re: [WSG] Why is deprecated?

Here I found they are not technically depreciated but they have recommended replacements |b| Although technically not deprecated, W3C recommends the | |element be used instead. |i| Although technically not deprecated, W3C recommends the | |element be used instead. http://www.tbs-sct.gc

Re: [WSG] Why is deprecated?

Hi Kepler, In many ways, has been deprecated in favour of and in favour of (emphasis). (underline) has been deprecated because it shouldn't be part of structural markup, but instead part of styling, so it would be replaced by or similar. The reason (bold) and italic haven't actually

Re: [WSG] floats and ie7

thanks thierry for your response. there was no width set on the nav div and that was the culprit. after my bout with the nn4 style sheet i guess i was brain dead. let me know when you will be in alabama and we'll roll out the red carpet southern style when you get here. dwain On 3/26/08, Thierr

Re: [WSG] floats and ie7

thanks kepler for the reply. i just figured it out. i added a width of 30% to the nav rule and ie7 played right. sometimes things just go over my head and i have to look at the outlined divs in firefox to figure things like this out. i was seeing a blue line for a dive that went all the way acr

[WSG] Why is deprecated?

Hi, I am just curious if anyone can explain why the tag has been deprecated while and are still allowed. Thanks in advance. Best regards, Kepler Gelotte Neighbor Webmaster, Inc. 156 Normandy Dr., Piscataway, NJ 08854 www.neighborwebmaster.com phone/fax: (732) 302-0904 *

RE: [WSG] floats and ie7

> i thought i had fixed this problem. i guess i didn't. Hi Dwain, Try adding "float: left" to your nav definition: #nav { FLOAT: left; FONT-SIZE: 90%; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 8.5em; COLOR: #039; TEXT-ALIGN: left } Best regards, Kepler Gelotte Neighbor Webmaster, Inc. 1

RE: [WSG] floats and ie7

> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dwain > Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 8:49 PM > To: web standards group > Subject: [WSG] floats and ie7 > > i thought i had fixed this problem. i guess i didn't. > > http://www.alforddesigngroup.com/ > > in ff, opera, safari 3.1 an

Re: Re: [WSG] restricting width in the body tag

A design issue, possibly, However the end basis for decisions are standards and evidence, and was wondering if there was any out there. If no real evidence is available, the it is up to those with the strongest opinion. Good note on assessing environments and user requirements, however that i

[WSG] floats and ie7

i thought i had fixed this problem. i guess i didn't. http://www.alforddesigngroup.com/ in ff, opera, safari 3.1 and seamonkey the page looks the way i intended. i have an address and menu on the left and two pictures floated right. in the source code the pix follow the address so on the page

RE: [WSG] restricting width in the body tag

Hi William my preference is to view banner elements in a 100% wide chunk that blend (hopefully) for a seamless look. I acknowledge that this is not always possible (or desirable). As a 1680 pixel wide laptop user I have to agree that fixed width is an issue, especially for totally left-aligned

RE: [WSG] restricting width in the body tag

Hi William, It sounds like you're looking for something like a 'jello layout' (term not mine) You can find out more here: http://www.positioniseverything.net/articles/jello.html Basically a jello layout will expand and shrink with the browser window but only to a defined minimum / maximum. HTH

Re: [WSG] restricting width in the body tag

William Donovan wrote: Hi all, I wanted to ask a question of better practice and current standards view. Is it better to have a header and footer stretch across the width of the browser window or be restricted to the width of the defined. left aligned content area. Leaving lots of vacant whit

[WSG] restricting width in the body tag

Hi all, I wanted to ask a question of better practice and current standards view. Is it better to have a header and footer stretch across the width of the browser window or be restricted to the width of the defined. left aligned content area. Leaving lots of vacant white space for people with

RE: [WSG] Semantic markup for a person's name or business name

>2. Aside from it's semantic nature, is there really any "functional" use > > for > formatting data using microformats? I mean, if your format various content > using microformat "standards" - as they currently exist - is this > information then usable/parse-able on different devices? Or is the u

Re: [WSG] ie7 and firefox

[EMAIL PROTECTED]@R KULEKCİ wrote: which browser is better to try web site. i rarely look my web site in ie. is firefox enough? No, you need to test in multiple browsers. Since even two standards compliant browsers may render the same page slightly differently, you certainly will need to test

Re: [WSG] The correct way of placing a swf file into a XHTML webpage

On 26/03/2008, at 11:30 PM, Steve Green wrote: No it can't. Flash content that is embedded using techniques such as UFO and SWFObject is not visible to screen readers - they don't even know it's there. If the content is important, you need to provide an accessible alternative. If you're going

Re: [WSG] and in lists

Thomas Thomassen skrev: Thanks. Got a link to where I can follow that incase there's response? http://lists.whatwg.org/pipermail/whatwg-whatwg.org/2008-March/014252.html There have been two responses so far. One wishing to expand the suggestion and one that is simply positive. No word from I

Re: [WSG] premature to test/worry new site for IE8?

Hi Jody and others who responded to my post. I am very relief to know that I don't need to worry. tee On Mar 26, 2008, at 10:20 AM, jody tate wrote: IE8's default setting will be to render web pages in standards- compliant mode. You can opt out of standards compliance with a meta tag. It wa

Re: [WSG] premature to test/worry new site for IE8?

IE8's default setting will be to render web pages in standards- compliant mode. You can opt out of standards compliance with a meta tag. It was originally announced as the reverse. They changed their mind once the mob headed toward the castle in Redmond with pitchforks. Like most of us, If I

[WSG] Out of Office AutoReply: WSG Digest

Thanks for your email. I am currently out of the office on training and will return on Friday the 28th of March. Regards, Damian Keeghan This email and any attachments to it are confidential. You must not use, disclose or act on the email if you are not the intended recipient. Liability li

RE: [WSG] Print stylesheet and long urls

> I am putting together a print stylesheet for an online newsletter that > contains quite a number of urls, some of which are very long. Hi Sarah, You could translate your long URLs to shorter ones using some code on your server or TinyURL: http://tinyurl.com/ Best regards, Kepler Gelotte Neig

Re: [WSG] Semantic markup for a person's name or business name

I didn't know microformats, and I'm impressed about it. Thanks to all who give many useful links. Gregorio Espadas gespadas [at] gmail [dot] com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: htt

Re: [WSG] Print stylesheet and long urls

Hi Sarah, On 26-Mar-08, at 12:22 PM, Sarah Peeke wrote: However, this is only useful if JavaScript is enabled. In the article listed, if javascript is disabled, then the links are displayed inline. I don't think there is a more elegant s

RE: [WSG] The correct way of placing a swf file into a XHTML webpage

No it can't. Flash content that is embedded using techniques such as UFO and SWFObject is not visible to screen readers - they don't even know it's there. If the content is important, you need to provide an accessible alternative. It need not necessarily be visible on screen, and it is common to hi

Re: [WSG] and in lists

Hi, No, I mean User Agent Quote from W3C: "INS and DEL are used to markup sections of the document that have been inserted or deleted with respect to a different version of a document (e.g., in draft legislation where lawmakers need to view the changes). ... User agents should render inserted a

Re: [WSG] Semantic markup for a person's name or business name

Cole Kuryakin wrote: 2. Aside from it's semantic nature, is there really any "functional" use for formatting data using microformats? For some practical examples of doing stuff with hCard: Online service to translate hCard into vCard (ie. put directly into your contacts application: http:/

RE: [WSG] Semantic markup for a person's name or business name

Hi Cole Microformats use the h, as in hcard, hevent, hreview. However, many of them are based on existing standards, i.e. vcard The hcard microformat uses vcard as a class for backwards compatibility. Microformatted user information can be directly saved to a person's contact list, events can be

RE: [WSG] Semantic markup for a person's name or business name

Thanks to all for their input on this issue. The hCard link within microformats.org was very helpful. Two follow-on question though: 1. What does the "v" and "h" stand for in regards to "vCard" and "hCard", and: 2. Aside from it's semantic nature, is there really any "functional" use for format

Re: [WSG] Semantic markup for a person's name or business name

Semantic markup for a person's name or business nameI think the address tag is specifically intended for the author contact for the page itself (and only used once on a page). for hCard markup see this page: http://microformats.org/wiki/hCard If you want tools that use microformats (such as th

Re: [WSG] Semantic markup for a person's name or business name

Semantic markup for a person's name or business nameThe element is intended to provide contact information for the author of the HTML document, not any address. http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/global.html#h-7.5.6 -Thom - Original Message - From: Cole Kuryakin To: wsg@webstan