[WSG] Mary-Anne Nayler is out of the office. [SEC=No Protective Marking Present]

2008-05-06 Thread Mary-Anne . Nayler
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Re: [WSG] Full flash websites

2008-05-06 Thread kate
because users like Sven disable it by default No disrespect to Sven but that must be the pits to take the very long learning curve: Create the Flash: Then along comes 'A Visitor' and disable all your hard work..*doh Kate http://jungaling.com/bichons/ http://jungaling.com/Malaysia/

Re: [WSG] Colour accessibility/ usability

2008-05-06 Thread Linda Simpson
Hi all, I would just like to thank all those who have shared their experiences. There has been some very interesting feedback that has been mentioned and we are hoping to conduct a few tests and see how users feel with the colour scheme. I've used the colour contrast analyser before, and it

Re: [WSG] Full flash websites

2008-05-06 Thread Sven Dowideit
yup, but then I take the point of view that web pages are created to communicate with your audience. If people like me are part of your audience, flash is pretty much unsuitable. That doesn't mean there aren't audiences for whom flash is the right answer, just that thought and analysis are

[WSG] Reset the styles on a submit button with CSS

2008-05-06 Thread Paul Collins
Hi all, Here's an odd one I can't seem to solve. I had to style all input fields in a form with a black background, white text. Rather than give them a class, I've just given all inputs this styling EG: input {background:#000; color:#FFF;} My issue is that the submit buttons now have this

Re: [WSG] Reset the styles on a submit button with CSS

2008-05-06 Thread Matthew Pennell
On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 1:52 PM, Paul Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My issue is that the submit buttons now have this styling also in certain browsers. I'd like to give them a class and set them back to their original look, but background:none; doesn't work. Is there a way of doing this

RE: [WSG] Reset the styles on a submit button with CSS

2008-05-06 Thread Darren Lovelock
Hi Paul, You could put them in two separate containers/divs and give the one containing the form elements you want to style an id. Doesn't have to be a div though. You could use a list, or anything else that is containing the form inputs you want to style. For example: div id=cont1 input / input

Re: [WSG] Reset the styles on a submit button with CSS

2008-05-06 Thread Thomas Thomassen
Or, instead of using a class to reset the layout to original, why not set a class for the elements you actually are styling? When I use use INPUT elements I allways add a class related to what kind of input element it is and only refer to the class in the CSS. Recently I've started to use

Re: [WSG] Reset the styles on a submit button with CSS

2008-05-06 Thread Steven Workman
The style background:none is in reference to the background-image property, which is why it doesn't work. background:transparent seems to be the most likely candidate as this relates to the background-color property but there doesn't seem to be a background:default setting which would be very

Re: [WSG] Reset the styles on a submit button with CSS

2008-05-06 Thread Samuel Santos
You can use CSS selectors: input[type=text],input[type=password],input[type=checkbox],input[type=radio] {background:#000; color:#FFF;} But this doesn't work in IE6... On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 2:00 PM, Matthew Pennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 1:52 PM, Paul Collins [EMAIL

Re: [WSG] Reset the styles on a submit button with CSS

2008-05-06 Thread Nick Cowie
Paul Go have a look at http://nickcowie.com/presentation/s5-button.html it should show what you can and can't style on input type submit (particularly safari/camino), and what you can do with the button element. Note it is a couple of years old and I don't use the button element at the moment.

[WSG] :: CSS Code Formatting ::

2008-05-06 Thread Amrinder
Hi, I was reading this article on Smashing Magazine which shows how to increase code readability, http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2008/05/02/improving-code-readability-with-css-styleguides/ but I have listened to Andy Clarke over Lynda.com saying that one should save the white space as it

Re: [WSG] :: CSS Code Formatting ::

2008-05-06 Thread Matthew Pennell
On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 2:49 PM, Amrinder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which approach is better? Should we go for code readability as described by Smashing Magazine or follow what Andy said. Why not do both? Use a coding style that suits you, then compress it for live deployment. -- - Matthew

Re: [WSG] :: CSS Code Formatting ::

2008-05-06 Thread Hassan Schroeder
Amrinder wrote: I was reading this article on Smashing Magazine which shows how to increase code readability but I have listened to Andy Clarke ... saying that one should save the white space as it increases the file size. Which approach is better? Should we go for code readability as

Re: [WSG] Reset the styles on a submit button with CSS

2008-05-06 Thread Paul Collins
Thanks for taking the time to reply everyone. Much appreciated. Not quite what you asked, but have you considered using the button element for your submit button instead of an input? Removes this kind of annoyance. Yes, I did forget about that one. However though, I'm stuck in this .NET vortex

Re: [WSG] :: CSS Code Formatting ::

2008-05-06 Thread Ross Bruniges
Ultimately you want to use one version during your development process (to ensure readability between your development team) but then have a smaller/compacted version to be used once you deploy to the live server (and at which point it's not the end of the world if your CSS is difficult to

RE: [WSG] Reset the styles on a submit button with CSS

2008-05-06 Thread Thierry Koblentz
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steven Workman Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 6:19 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Reset the styles on a submit button with CSS The style background:none is in reference to the background-image property, which is

RE: [WSG] :: CSS Code Formatting ::

2008-05-06 Thread Ted Drake
From Yslow http://developer.yahoo.com/performance/ Reduce the number of css files used Link to them in the top of the page, no inline styles Gzip and reduce the whitespace when going to production. These are fairly simple steps for the average web developer. Visit yslow for more

[WSG] Opera Dragonfly released

2008-05-06 Thread David Storey
Hi, I hope this isn't too off topic, but I thought you'd be interested to know that Opera launched Opera Dragonfly today - our new developer tools. This release is an early alpha to show the direction we are moving with our developer tools. This initial version will include a

Re: [WSG] Full flash websites

2008-05-06 Thread Sam Sherlock
I take the point of view that web pages are created to communicate with your audience. thats how I see it too, content is king I myself often have javascript and flash diasabled, so long as the content is available to the audience. 2008/5/6 Sven Dowideit [EMAIL PROTECTED]: yup, but then

Re: [WSG] Colour accessibility/ usability

2008-05-06 Thread Benjamin White
On 5/6/08, Linda Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I would just like to thank all those who have shared their experiences. There has been some very interesting feedback that has been mentioned and we are hoping to conduct a few tests and see how users feel with the colour scheme.

Re: [WSG] Full flash websites

2008-05-06 Thread Susie Gardner-Brown
I do think we also shouldn¹t forget that there are a lot of people out there who need to find a webpage attractive in order to make them stay and read the content. And some Flash(y) content can be useful/attractive. (Emphasis on Œcan¹!) Some people (probably a lot) really like that sort of stuff

Re: [WSG] Full flash websites

2008-05-06 Thread Sam Sherlock
Using some unobstrusive js effects much the same (and or better) can be made without flash http://simonwillison.net/static/2008/xtech/ which advises making a standard site that functions with basic html and present it with css, and then add additional functionality not my own work but an

Re: [WSG] Full flash websites

2008-05-06 Thread Susie Gardner-Brown
On 7/5/08 1:37 PM, Sam Sherlock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Using some unobstrusive js effects much the same (and or better) can be made without flash http://simonwillison.net/static/2008/xtech/ which advises making a standard site that functions with basic html and present it with css,

Re: [WSG] Full flash websites

2008-05-06 Thread Mark Harris
kate wrote: No disrespect to Sven but that must be the pits to take the very long learning curve: Create the Flash: Then along comes 'A Visitor' and disable all your hard work..*doh Sorry? You're blaming A Visitor for not being able to obtain the information you are supposed to giving them?

RE: [WSG] Full flash websites

2008-05-06 Thread Elizabeth Spiegel
Hi all I've yet to see a full flash website I liked - too often they use small fonts and poor contrast; navigation is quite often difficult. I understand that accessibility has been improved, but haven't really explored it (and of course just because the tools are now available doesn't mean that

Re: [WSG] Full flash websites

2008-05-06 Thread Sam Sherlock
that timbuk2 is great. wholeheartedly agree about the small fonts and poor contrast though this is designers getting carried away with things, and pleasing their own egos often I get asked by clients to create a flash intro for a site, with cinematic ambitions they describe what they had in