Re: [WSG] XHTML 1.1 & CSS3 - Is it worth using right now?

2008-05-12 Thread Thomas Thomassen
You can still do that with XHTML 1.0 sent as html/text. I've done that several times when I've made desktop gadgets to extract data from my site. The parsers doesn't care if the page is sent as html/text instead of xml/text. I don't see any point of using XHTML 1.1 unless you use it's modular

Re: [WSG] XHTML 1.1 & CSS3 - Is it worth using right now?

2008-05-12 Thread Thomas Thomassen
If you do content negotiation to send html/text and XHTML 1.0 to IE and application/xhtml+xml XHTML to anyone else then you're effectivly using XHTML 1.0 html/text as you'd never be able to make use of the modular XML nature of XHTML 1.1. - Original Message - From: "Nikita The Spider

Re: [WSG] XHTML 1.1 & CSS3 - Is it worth using right now?

2008-05-12 Thread David Dorward
On 13 May 2008, at 01:36, Nikita The Spider The Spider wrote: One big impediment to using XHTML 1.1 is that it must be sent with the application/xhtml+xml media type which makes IE6 choke. ... and IE7 and IE8. Adding support for XHTML hasn't been a priority for Microsoft (presumably because

Re: [WSG] Printing CSS background

2008-05-12 Thread Matthew Pennell
On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 3:03 PM, Léo Siqueira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Someone have a suggestion to make CSS background printable ? You could visit every single one of your site users and explain to them how to turn on background printing on their printer settings. And buy them some printer

Re: [WSG] XHTML 1.1 & CSS3 - Is it worth using right now?

2008-05-12 Thread Dean Matthews
On May 12, 2008, at 11:13 PM, dwain wrote: and if you are wanting valid css then css3 will throw up errors in the w3c css validator. Not if you use the CSS level 3 validator ;) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org

Re: [WSG] Older Browsers

2008-05-12 Thread David Hucklesby
On Mon, 12 May 2008 10:04:44 +0300, Michael Persson wrote: > Dear Scott, > > I think helping your client to install a proper web browser would also > eliminate other > website problems also. > > IE5 have terrible CSS support and you will need to make table design again to > make a > website look

Re: [WSG] Printing CSS background

2008-05-12 Thread Jason Ray
Hi Leo, If you create a print.css and link your pages to it, you should be able to control which elements are visible and which ones aren't in the print out. However, you would normally want a clean text-only, but well styled print option. This helps to create a nice paper publication while savin

Re: [WSG] XHTML 1.1 & CSS3 - Is it worth using right now?

2008-05-12 Thread dwain
and if you are wanting valid css then css3 will throw up errors in the w3c css validator. dwain *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help

Re: [WSG] XHTML 1.1 & CSS3 - Is it worth using right now?

2008-05-12 Thread XStandard
HTH wrote: >...server has to do content negotiation in order to send >text/html with one doctype (HTML or XHTML 1.0) to IE users and >application/xhtml+xml/XHTML 1.1 to everyone else. That means >you're generating two copies of all of your content Assuming your are not writing static pages, you onl

Re: [WSG] Embed a flash file 100%

2008-05-12 Thread Andrew Maben
On May 12, 2008, at 9:58 PM, Laert Jansen wrote: I can´t find out why that white area is showing on the top Well, I'm pretty out of touch with Flash, but looking at your page source I was struck by: var so = new SWFObject("main.swf", "main", "100%", "100%", "8", "#ff"); Could that

Re: [WSG] Embed a flash file 100%

2008-05-12 Thread Laert Jansen
I´ve already set the height to 100%. The flash file is 778 x 560 px I can´t find out why that white area is showing on the top. On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 3:18 PM, Michael Persson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Laert, > > I suggest you make it higher in order to fit 1024 768 screen in order to >

Re: [WSG] XHTML 1.1 & CSS3 - Is it worth using right now?

2008-05-12 Thread Andrew McGrath
> "One big impediment to using XHTML 1.1 is that it must be sent with the > application/xhtml+xml media type which makes IE6 choke. That implies > that the server has to do content negotiation in order to send > text/html with one doctype (HTML or XHTML 1.0) to IE users and > application/xhtml+xml/

Re: [WSG] XHTML 1.1 & CSS3 - Is it worth using right now?

2008-05-12 Thread Ben Buchanan
Is there a reason why not many sites adopt this Doctype and is there any > point using right now if your site is 1.0 Strict? Very very generally, I've found it's less critical which standard you use than whether your stuff validates in your chosen standard. Secondly, I see a lot of sites that sp

Re: [WSG] XHTML 1.1 & CSS3 - Is it worth using right now?

2008-05-12 Thread Nikita The Spider The Spider
On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 4:42 PM, Simon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > Does anyone use XHTML 1.1 Of the doctypes that my validator Nikita saw in one sample period, just slightly over 2% were XHTML 1.1. It's worth noting that most, if not all, were sent with the wrong media type. http://Niki

Re: [WSG] XHTML 1.1 & CSS3 - Is it worth using right now?

2008-05-12 Thread David Storey
On 12 May 2008, at 22:42, Simon wrote: Hi, Does anyone use XHTML 1.1 and does it provide any benefits? I've read up on what the differences are but I was under the belief IE won't support it without a particular hack. Is there a reason why not many sites adopt this Doctype and is there

[WSG] XHTML 1.1 & CSS3 - Is it worth using right now?

2008-05-12 Thread Simon
Hi, Does anyone use XHTML 1.1 and does it provide any benefits? I've read up on what the differences are but I was under the belief IE won't support it without a particular hack. Is there a reason why not many sites adopt this Doctype and is there any point using right now if your site is 1.0 Str

Re: [WSG] Embed a flash file 100%

2008-05-12 Thread Michael Persson
Hi Laert, I suggest you make it higher in order to fit 1024 768 screen in order to eliminate the gap... im not a flash expert but I have published many sites that are full size... im using this, might make a difference html, body { height: 100%; font-family:verdana; } michael

Re: [WSG] Older Browsers

2008-05-12 Thread Isabel Santos
Chris: there's also another aproach you can use for testing purposes, if you have friends that trust you and who are using other operating systems, or different browsers, quite lighter then using virtual machines: You can use virtual network computing software, like realvnc for instance. There's

Re: [WSG] Embed a flash file 100%

2008-05-12 Thread Laert Jansen
:) thanks On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 2:09 PM, James Jeffery < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I had a quick peek but im having problems with this browser at college so > i can't help until i get home > > Nice site btw. > > On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 5:49 PM, Laert Jansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > >

Re: [WSG] Embed a flash file 100%

2008-05-12 Thread James Jeffery
I had a quick peek but im having problems with this browser at college so i can't help until i get home Nice site btw. On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 5:49 PM, Laert Jansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey, thanks a lot. Here´s what I´m working on > http://www.laertjansen.com/zecafreitas/ > > Would you

Re: [WSG] Embed a flash file 100%

2008-05-12 Thread Laert Jansen
Hey, thanks a lot. Here´s what I´m working on http://www.laertjansen.com/zecafreitas/ Would you mind to take a look? :) I have a problem. The flash is the black portion only and it should be at the top...I mean, there should not exist that white area.any ideia of what am I doing wrong? thanks

RE: [WSG] The Problem of adjacent links

2008-05-12 Thread Stuart Foulstone
This point originally concerned which character to use IF you use a character to separate links. It did NOT say that this was the preferred method. On Mon, May 12, 2008 2:18 am, Jens-Uwe Korff wrote: >> Screen-reader users have said that the vertical bar is THEIR preferred > character > > Really?

[WSG] Printing CSS background

2008-05-12 Thread Léo Siqueira
Yes, i know, i know, just check the option at page setup from your browser to print background and images, but, what make when you client consumer does understand this simple step ? I have a new redesign from a website, all HTML strict and CSS validated, beautiful, but don't print the background i

Re: [WSG] :: CSS Code Formatting ::

2008-05-12 Thread Adam Martin
this is exactly why we use serverside scripts along with a config file to define some base declarations such as colors. then we can change the color in one place only, using the below example #results .fn { font-size: 0.86em; color #739EA8; } #results .tel { font-size: 0.86em; color #33; }

Re: [WSG] :: CSS Code Formatting ::

2008-05-12 Thread Korny Sietsma
I tend to agree about SASS, however I'm not sure you can really avoid repetition in css. (ok, "endlessly" is an overstatement!) Sure, where possible we'll reuse classes, but there are several places where this would be hard, or would make our css messier. For example, if I have a name field colo

Re: [WSG] alt text and titles for linked images

2008-05-12 Thread Matijs
I would do it this way: Body1 Body2 Body3 Body4 Body5 ul.bodyList { list-style: none; } ul.bodyList li { float: left; } ul.bodyList a { display: block; text-indent: -px; /* only if you don't want Body1 etc.. to show of course */ text-decoration: non

Re: [WSG] Web Standards and Design Patterns in Web Applications

2008-05-12 Thread Schalk Neethling
Hi there Tony, There is some really useful articles at http://css.dzone.com/. You might especially find Presentation Layer Accessibility and AJAX and Screen Readers - Content Access Issues very useful. Regards, Schalk Steven Workman wrote: Hi Anthony, I've always found through usability

Re: [WSG] Web Standards and Design Patterns in Web Applications

2008-05-12 Thread Steven Workman
Hi Anthony, I've always found through usability testing, that people use the highest level of navigation to get back to the start of a task (generally the tabs). Using the first pattern plus a body ID and CSS to highlight the current tab (and remove the a:hover cursor) will give the same effect as

Re: [WSG] :: CSS Code Formatting ::

2008-05-12 Thread Mark Harris
Korny Sietsma wrote: I'd be interested in the thoughts of folks here. A simple template would have the advantage of (possibly) working well in css editors and tools; but there also seems to be some buzz around tools like Sass that take some more repetition out of the CSS. Is SASS a standard? N

Re: [WSG] Older Browsers

2008-05-12 Thread Krystian - Sunlust
In a way it's like designing websites for disabled people, it's probably 0.01% of the visitors, but we should provide ways for them to move around the website and make it more accessible, so it 0.5% uses IE5 then we should provide a website that is at least working properly (I wouldn't be concerned

[WSG] Web Standards and Design Patterns in Web Applications

2008-05-12 Thread Anthony Green
Does anyone have any guides to developing standards based/accessible web applications like Basecamp ? For example a common pattern for website navigation is the tab list of links Cats Dogs/li> Mice However web applications often copy the navigation pattern from desktop apps of having the tab t

Re: [WSG] Older Browsers

2008-05-12 Thread Matt Fellows
As much as I agree to what your are saying regarding IE5, it is still ignoring the fact that people are using it, albeit a small proportion. If your client absolutely _needs_ it, then you will have to code for it. I think this has already been mentioned but perhaps if you could get a hold of some

Re: [WSG] :: CSS Code Formatting ::

2008-05-12 Thread Korny Sietsma
Hmm - we're currently debating what to do about dynamic css on our project (Ruby on Rails based) There seem to be a few options: - No dynamic css at all - Simple templated stuff, where the code is basically css + inline ruby: #whatever { background-color : <%= background_colour %>; } - Somethin

Re: [WSG] Older Browsers

2008-05-12 Thread Michael Persson
Dear Scott, I think helping your client to install a proper web browser would also eliminate other website problems also. IE5 have terrible CSS support and you will need to make table design again to make a website look ok in IE5... dont even go there.!!! using a IE5 is really ancient nad w

Re: R: [WSG] is display:none inheritance

2008-05-12 Thread Michael Persson
Trying to HACK your CSS for different browser can be a disaster for future browser versions so its is suggested to never hack the CSS and follow the standards. It will also make life easier for a front end developer... tee wrote: On May 11, 2008, at 5:15 PM, Darren Lovelock wrote: See her