Hey Justin
We recently did a project where we experimented with a number of
navigational utilities I'm pretty happy with the end result.
The site is visible at www.iih.org. There are four main navigational widgets
through out the site; the top nav with 1 level of drop down, the
breadcrumbs, the "
Amen to that brother.
I agree with Christine and most of the others. Even if I take a billion
art classes and devote the rest of my life to honing art skills, I will
still be horrible compared to a slew of others whose design is
immaculate but whose technical side is lacking. You can teach peop
Well, at least your client wants tiered drop-down menus.
My most recent client wanted, basically, a sitemap on the left side of
every page in the site *AND* he wanted a horizontal top navigational bar
in addition to it. My boss does wonders in dealing with fussy clients,
and she convinced him t
Sorry mate, here's the URL:
http://www.d.umn.edu/itss/support/Training/Online/webdesign/navigation.h
tml#menus
Cheers
Jeff Lowder
Accessibility 1st
Website: www.accessibility1st.com.au
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Warning: rant.
The very fact that this is even in question with any designer is an indication of how degraded the title has become since computers hit the industry. Design was and has always been about communication and functionality - my degree in 84-88 was 'Visual Communications', not 'web desig
I've noticed in the past a few times, but now more frequently, that
people are replying to one thread but using that thread's same header to
reply to other messages. I'm sure that the ones doing this aren't using
thread mode in their email clients, but it does affect some of us. I
don't want to
Hi Justin, I know what you mean.
Here's a good place to start.
Cheers
Jeff Lowder
Accessibility 1st
Website: www.accessibility1st.com.au
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consider these multi level menus as a site map
Do you need a sitemap on each page... is a site map useful on each page.
you could easily construct a drop down menu with multi levels, but it
may not be useful, or usable. But with a style switcher you could put a
sitemap in the footer of each page.
Hi all,
I'm quoting for a client at the moment who seems to have her heart set
on dropdown menus for the sites navigation. I've implemented such
menus before, and am currently using a version of the Suckerfish menus
[1], which is fine for a one-deep hierarchy, but it looks like she
wants 3-4
Leo,
On 01/04/2004, at 1:49 PM, Leo J. O'Campo wrote:
To say that anyone concerned with accessibility should have
JavaScript enabled **utterly misses the point**. Accessibility is
about providing access to the content for the widest possible number
of users, regardless of how they're accessin
Justin
To say that anyone concerned with accessibility should have JavaScript
enabled **utterly misses the point**. Accessibility is about
providing access to the content for the widest possible number of
users, regardless of how they're accessing it.
Hmm.. well Justin your missing my point. I
Hi Justin
Support for Safari would be more appropiate on a Mac users list. Posts
about how Safari supports the relevant standards are ok.
Cheers
James
Justin French wrote:
Just upgraded to OS X 10.3 from 10.2 last night, and whilst some of the
new features in Safari are nice, I still need the
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Thanks Leslie. I did know that table
didn’t display properly in some browsers. It’s a footer file
that dates back to 18 months ago – antique. I’m
rebuilding my site using a new CMS I’m writing and a shopping cart I’m
writing, so I didn’t pay much attention to that part o
Justin
I'm not surprised that Safari (Jag) runs in Safari (Pan) because
generally Safari is forward compatible software. What did surprise most
of us loyal Mac users was that Safari 1.2 (Pan) wouldn't run in Jaguar.
I use OS9/Jag/Pan each on their own disk drive in the same machine.
Leo
On W
On 31-Mar-04, at 9:28 PM, Hugh Todd wrote:
My suggestion would be to install and use OmniWeb. It uses the Safari
1.0 engine.
That's correct.
The old Safari doesn't work because the rendering engine is actually
embedded as a framework in the OS (so it can be used in other
applications). OmniWeb
Justin,
Has anyone seen an article on this or managed to have Safari
1.0/1.1/1.2 running side-by-side on one system?
My suggestion would be to install and use OmniWeb. It uses the Safari
1.0 engine.
-Hugh
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Try this for a color picker that works on PC's. http://eyedropper.inetia.com/ it will give you the hex values for any color you put it on.
All the best,
Thom Meyer
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On 01/04/2004, at 11:24 AM, Leo J. O'Campo wrote:
Unless there is a reason I am not thinking of, I'd think people who
want accessibility would keep javascript enabled.
To say that anyone concerned with accessibility should have JavaScript
enabled **utterly misses the point**. Accessibility is a
Just upgraded to OS X 10.3 from 10.2 last night, and whilst some of the
new features in Safari are nice, I still need the old version 1.0
and/or 1.1 for testing purposes, since there were quite a lot of
issues.
I copied across the 1.0 app from my back-up, renamed it Safari 1, and
placed it in
Yes, good idea Leo. I think there’s a
little flash gadget you can add to coldfusion pages that does that. I’ll have
a look for it. Thanks.
Cheers
Mike Kear
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Patrick
First PLEASE do not display my email address to the open list. Thank
you.
*cough* accessibility *cough*
Unless there is a reason I am not thinking of, I'd think people who
want accessibility would keep javascript enabled.
Also don't forget that in some instances the specific
setup/ca
The only way to find a designer that is sensitive to what's required
with standards, accessibility, CSS-based layouts, valid XHTML, etc is
to find a web designer with ALL these skills, even if you don't take
advantage of them all.
They must be able to hand-code valid XHTML in order to have an
Hey Kay
I wouldn't worry specifically about whether the designer currently up to
speed on HTML & CSS. To the key character of a good web designer (apart from
artistic talent) is that they respect their medium and their audience. If a
designer shows any sign of getting upset about having their arti
>From now on, please reply directly to Jaime rather than to the list, as this
is OT
Thanks
Russ
> Jaime Wong wrote:
>>
>> Today I went to check my site statistic for fun and have a look at the
>> Links from an external page (other web sites except search engines)".
>>
>> I saw a couple of susp
Jaime Wong wrote:
Today I went to check my site statistic for fun and have a look at the
Links from an external page (other web sites except search engines)".
I saw a couple of suspicious links being displayed theresuch as
companies who has nothing to do with web designing and adult sites.
> From: Leo J. O'Campo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[...]
> A good point... but if someone elects to turn off javascript they do it
> at their own disadvantage.
*cough* accessibility *cough*
Also don't forget that in some instances the specific setup/capabilities of machines
is not up to the indiv
Carlos
It works in Safari on the Mac but breaks totally in IE5.2 Mac. I
didn't check code but from the looks of the break I'd assume the normal
IE hacks are needed. And I'd recheck the display flow rules and
containment hierarchy.
Leo
On Wednesday, March 31, 2004, at 07:53 AM, Cb2 Web Desi
Mike
I think it would be more useful if it had a color picker along with the hex number input. Using hex number input alone doesn't work for those who don't know the hex numbers they need or would like to browser color schemes. I have been using hex values for color long before the web existed a
P
A good point... but if someone elects to turn off javascript they do it
at their own disadvantage.
Leo
On Tuesday, March 30, 2004, at 09:19 PM, P.H.Lauke wrote:
And seeing most people use IE, you might as well use javascript.
Whether or not people use IE has nothing to do with whether or no
P
Your right... I blew that one in the details.
Leo
On Tuesday, March 30, 2004, at 09:14 PM, P.H.Lauke wrote:
but that doesn't solve the original problem as far as I understood it.
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Nick
I stand corrected... As I am a Mac user, where things are made to
standards, I often forget that MSIE doesn't no how to render standards.
;-) ...just kidding. But we as a developer web standards community
should proactively boycott MSIE.
Leo
On Tuesday, March 30, 2004, at 09:07 PM, N
Hi Jaime,
You are not alone. This is just another form of marketing (spam) that
companies use. It's not only adult sites - we have been spammed this way
from some of our competitors.
Regards,
Vlad Alexander
XStandard Development Team
http://xstandard.com
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Hi Teresa,
Good going! Unfortunately, we can't evaluate your site if you don't
give a URL ;)
Leslie Riggs
> I have recently redesigned my business web site using CSS. I was
> looking for some feedback.
>
> The biggest obstacle I ran into was on the "about us " Page. I am
> wondering if
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hello!
I have recently redesigned my business web site using CSS. I was
looking for some feedback.
The biggest obstacle I ran into was on the "about us " Page. I am
wondering if I over used the "padding" command.
When responding to use this e-mail address also! I am on the daily
dige
I think this is OT. Please forgive me.
Today I went to check my site statistic for fun and have a look at the
Links from an external page (other web sites except search engines)".
I saw a couple of suspicious links being displayed theresuch as
companies who has nothing to do with web design
> You should make up a test that starts with typical graphical elements that
> your company uses and perhaps a hand drawn mock up of a page. Have them
> design first in fireworks or whatever your graphic design tool of choice
> is the layout and then ask them to create a rough HTML of it. Then you
> Hi guys,
>
[snip]
>
> So what am I actually asking? I'm interested in what you guys consider
> reasonable to expect from a graphic designer who also does some
> "overflow" html. What would you be looking for? What would you ask in
> the interview?
>
> Thanks for any ideas,
> K.
>
>
> --
> Kay Smo
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> http://afpwebworks.com/colourschemer/
is the address. (note the Australian COLOUR not the American
COLOR)
NICE. Handy
tool!
One detail that I noticed
while looking at it using Firefox 0.8, Moz 1.6 and Netscape
7.1, has to do with the table that contains the thre
I would be inclined to think that finding a designer with the skills
somewhere between what Jeremy and Christine recommended would be best.
Someone that has an aptitude for coding to a certain degree, yet has an
artistic eye as well. I don't think you need a die-hard Notepad user, but I
do think t
:)
Just find out about BrowserCam some minutes ago ...
Thank you Russ!
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> Instead
The Resources section of the WSG site has recently been updated, and
the CSS Categories available now are:
CSS Known Browser Bugs - http://webstandardsgroup.org/resources/#cat23
CSS Layout Examples - http://webstandardsgroup.org/resources/#cat10
CSS Tabs - http://webstandardsgroup.org/resources/
Well, just find out about BrowserCam and used the trial to see the page:
http://tinyurl.com/38xrr
It seems that IE5.2/Mac is the worst case...
:(
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Instead of one screenshot, how about 23 screenshots:
http://www.browsercam.com/public.aspx?proj_id=55491
Click on the small screenshot to see full size versions.
Russ
> Russ, I'll appreciate if you can send me a screen shoot, please... thank
> you!
>
> Too bad, I was hoping it could hold...
>
Have they ever used Dreamweaver without going into the WYSIWYG.
Do they KNOW HTML? Could they code a site with nothing but notepad?
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Kay Smoljak wrote:
Hi guys,
At work, we're about to hire a new graphic designer, as our guys are
flat out. We're looking f
Russ, I'll appreciate if you can send me a screen shoot, please... thank
you!
Too bad, I was hoping it could hold...
Any other browser/OS combinations ?
Thank you all in advance.
Carlos
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Hi Kay,
I wouldn't worry too much even if your designers think Fireworks output
is a good way to go. For years, we used table-based sites. All of our
designers were taught Fireworks/Dreamweaver.
Starting January 2004, we completely abandoned Fireworks. All of our
new sites are being produced
Robert Moser wrote:
How do screen readers handle the :hover pseudoclass?
The main reason I'm wondering is in regards to CSS flyout menus.
Typically these involve changing a display: none; on the normal element
to a display: block; on the :hover pseudoclass of that element.
FIR was deprecated d
Hi guys,
At work, we're about to hire a new graphic designer, as our guys are
flat out. We're looking for someone with some markup skills as well as
visual design, and as I'm the nominated "standards nazi" I'm charged
with making sure their html and css is up to scratch.
As this is primarily a
> Do you think it will hold? Or is it to clumpsy? Can someone tell me what
> happens in a IE/Mac environment?
MacIE - breaks badly. Three columns end up one under each other - seems to
be a width issue. Can send screen shot if needed.
Russ
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Hello one and all,
I have been trying to create a 3-column layout using only CSS and avoiding
fixed widths. I know there are a few ways of doing it, but that's me, always
interested in re-inventing the wheel :)
My approach can be seen at:
http://cb2web.com/tests/geres04/indexppp.htm
... and it
Thanks all,
I guess the many explanations explain just why I've never done it with
pure CSS before. I'll go back to my javascript and have a coke and a
smile.
;)
On 31 Mar 2004, at 07:28, scott parsons wrote:
Well it depends upon the exact behaviour desired, and the browsers you
want to sup
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Hi
Jeff,
I have no idea how that got in
there, I must be overworked. Took it out on (another page I'm working on) and
no difference though.
Hi Taco
For starters you
can’t have “,” within your statement i.e. it should be:
padding: 1
Mike, that looks a lot better! BTW I am running 1600x1200.
Is it possible to add in an option for switching between a light or dark
background or specifying a BG color - when you get into the off-whites, I
can foresee a bit of a problem on the last column.
(Just offering my input from a users PO
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Hi Taco
For starters you can’t have “,”
within your statement i.e. it should be:
padding: 14px 0 0 0;
and I think you want the padding to be 9% from the left side is that
correct?
Cheers
Jeff Lowder
Accessibility 1st
Ph: 02 9570 9875
Mobile: 0419 350 7
Title: Message
Hmmm,
Try putting it into standards compliant mode and it's different,
but still not correct. Also putting the style into the head section will help...
Really can't expect anything good to happen where it is.
Try margin-left: 9%;
See http://webboy.net/jobs/css/taco.htm
P
G'day Brian,
I'm assuming you're using a narrower monitor than mine, or lower resolution
so your screen real estate is less than mine. I've now laid it out
differently so it's not so wide.
Also I've added the italics and heading text for you.And now the tool
will accept 3 digit abbreviated
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