Re: [WSG] making money out of web standards

2004-12-30 Thread Rev. Bob 'Bob' Crispen
The voices are telling me Marilyn Langfeld said on 12/29/2004 6:44 AM: I wanted to add that I've had success with small businesses by describing how easily their sites can be redesigned using CSS (show them CSS Zen Garden). If they've already gone through a redesign, they've been impressed. If n

Re: [WSG] Semantic Sanity Check

2004-12-30 Thread Kay Smoljak
On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 15:28:47 -0800, Ben Curtis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > These are smart people I'm working with, but they think solely about > presentation. I'm looking to push them on just the right concepts. Did > I miss any? Am I off base on some? I started doing exactly what you're trying

Re: [WSG] Odd IE Issue...

2004-12-30 Thread Chris Stratford
Ahhh thanks a lot - that obviouly fixes the problem! carl - thank you too! Although the background is a dotted white/grey background. Thanks for your input :) Vry helpful - I didn't realise that a 2*2 image would be so hard for the server to render. Cheeers :D Cb2 Web Design wrote: I believe the

[WSG] Semantic Sanity Check

2004-12-30 Thread Ben Curtis
I'd like some insight as I compose instructional materials on something I'm learning myself. I have a philosophy/strategy statement, and sample pages I will pull code samples from. I'd like any feedback you wish on both or either. I lead a couple teams of coders and designers. Primarily, they m

Re: [WSG] Funny Left Margin in IE6

2004-12-30 Thread JonathanC
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Re: [WSG] A new year challenge - was [ Web Design in 2005]

2004-12-30 Thread Claudiu RADUT
I agree with the fact that we should take advantage of whatever the technology offers us, but we should not do that for the sake of doing so. As someone mentioned before, Flash has its own advantages and disadvantages, just like CSS and HTML. But building a site entirely in Flash is a sign of p

Re: [WSG] Odd IE Issue...

2004-12-30 Thread Cb2 Web Design
I believe the problem is exactly the image size: too small. See: http://cb2web.com/tests/gamerdb/ It uses a nav_back.gif 20x20, GIF, Web Safe colors, 81 bytes: http://cb2web.com/tests/gamerdb/media/nav_back.gif HTH Carlos http://cb2web.com - Original Message - From: "Chris Stratford

Re: [WSG] Odd IE Issue...

2004-12-30 Thread Carl Reynolds
Chris Stratford wrote: hey group, odd problem here: www.gamerdb.net using IE, that page seems to take AGES to load the background. why is this? it is a 2*2 gif... moz handles it just fine. when i click on STATS i seem to see a wipe effect down the page while the background fills in... ODD??? Help!

Re: [WSG] sort of site check, content more than css

2004-12-30 Thread David Laakso
On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 09:09:28 -0800, Ted Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I have joined the blog world with tdrake.net. http://tdrake.net While the design is fresh off the presses and I would appreciate any comments, I'd like some feedback on the content. on. Ted Can't help with the content. Pr

Re: [WSG] A new year challenge - was [ Web Design in 2005]

2004-12-30 Thread berry
>> Can anyone who is really interested in web 'design' say that a site such as: >> >> http://www.fosterandpartners.com/internetsite/Flash.html >> >> 'sucks'? It certainly isn't standards material (it doesn't even have a >> doctype!) but the 'concept' is glorious. A mass of information, all >> avai

Re: [WSG] Odd IE Issue...

2004-12-30 Thread Chris Stratford
Hey Brian, thanks for the reply - I changed the DTD... No difference at all :( Any more ideas? I will check back in a few hours. need a nap - 5am here :D Gnite! Brian Cummiskey wrote: Chris Stratford wrote: hey group, odd problem here: www.gamerdb.net using IE, that page seems to take AGES to load

Re: [WSG] Odd IE Issue...

2004-12-30 Thread Brian Cummiskey
Chris Stratford wrote: hey group, odd problem here: www.gamerdb.net using IE, that page seems to take AGES to load the background. It also scrolls funny, and when you have it in the background with another app in half-screen view over it, and switch back to it, it almost like re-loads it self for

[WSG] Odd IE Issue...

2004-12-30 Thread Chris Stratford
hey group, odd problem here: www.gamerdb.net using IE, that page seems to take AGES to load the background. why is this? it is a 2*2 gif... moz handles it just fine. when i click on STATS i seem to see a wipe effect down the page while the background fills in... ODD??? Help! Cheers! --

RE: [WSG] A new year challenge - was [ Web Design in 2005]

2004-12-30 Thread Ted Drake
Comparing flash to css/standards-design isn't really fair. Each has its advantages when done well. If you consider this firm's audience, the flash site is fine. It's artistic, features the product and services well, and tries to wow the future client with animation and rollovers. It's audience

[WSG] sort of site check, content more than css

2004-12-30 Thread Ted Drake
I have joined the blog world with tdrake.net. http://tdrake.net While the design is fresh off the presses and I would appreciate any comments, I'd like some feedback on the content. I will be speaking at the upcoming Museums on the Web 2005 Conference http://www.archimuse.com about how and wh

Re: [WSG] Semantic markup for object dimensions/units

2004-12-30 Thread Mordechai Peller
Rimantas Liubertas wrote: 400mm × 800 title="millimetres">mm × 200 title="millimetres">mm Am I the only one thinking about mm as overkill? Overkill? Maybe the first occurrence. By the time you get to the third you're already into the realm of obsessive-compulsive. But I am from the metric

Re: [WSG] A new year challenge - was [ Web Design in 2005]

2004-12-30 Thread Bert Doorn
G'day Can anyone who is really interested in web 'design' say that a site such as: http://www.fosterandpartners.com/internetsite/Flash.html 'sucks'? It certainly isn't standards material (it doesn't even have a doctype!) but the 'concept' is glorious. Well, maybe my idea of 'design' is different

Re: [WSG] Web Design in 2005

2004-12-30 Thread Byronsbyte
In a message dated 12/30/2004 4:32:39 AM Central America Standard Ti, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > They suggested that the looks that are out, or dated are, "...Retro; > Swiss/Euro; Minimal; "that standards-compliant look," which I thought some > of you might find an interesting read. I just hav

Re: [WSG] A new year challenge - was [ Web Design in 2005]

2004-12-30 Thread Manuel González Noriega
> Can anyone who is really interested in web 'design' say that a site such as: > > http://www.fosterandpartners.com/internetsite/Flash.html > > 'sucks'? It certainly isn't standards material (it doesn't even have a > doctype!) but the 'concept' is glorious. A mass of information, all > available

Re: [WSG] Webstandards for your iPod

2004-12-30 Thread Justin Thorp
Great work Dey! Sincerely, Justin Thorp Dey Alexander wrote: Inspired by Westciv's terrific effort, I've iPod-ised some web accessibility standards that some might find useful to have at hand. Downloadable from http://deyalexander.com/resources/podguide/ the Web Accessibility podGuide includes:

Re: [WSG] Web Design in 2005

2004-12-30 Thread Manuel González Noriega
> > The headings could be defined in a dynamic CSS file... for example: .. > I'd go into more detail about generating the contents of the DataSet, > but you get the idea :) I do, but you still have to create the images each time. You can also automate that but by the time you're done with it you

[WSG] Re: (resolved)Funny Left Margin in IE6

2004-12-30 Thread Dan
As per usual the answer was sitting right in front of me. I just removed the left margin and added the 115px of left padding. I was looking at it all morning. Finally Resolved. On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 14:26:30 +0100, Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello everyone seasons greetings to you all. > >

Re: [WSG] Funny Left Margin in IE6

2004-12-30 Thread Aadesh Mistry
It works perfectly on my machine with IE6. IMP Aadesh Mistry Dan wrote: Hello everyone seasons greetings to you all. I have a small problem in, you guessed it, IE. I have a wrapper div which a bg image pushed to the top left and is 115px wide. Nested in tha, wrapper, div is a contai

Re: [WSG] A new year challenge - was [ Web Design in 2005]

2004-12-30 Thread Rimantas Liubertas
On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 13:49:28 -, designer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: <...> > Can anyone who is really interested in web 'design' say that a site such as: > http://www.fosterandpartners.com/internetsite/Flash.html > 'sucks'? Yes, it sucks. From usabilty point. I hate when 'mass of information' i

Re: [WSG] Web Design in 2005

2004-12-30 Thread David R
Rimantas Liubertas wrote: CSS is good, cause it is cached. Dynamic CSS leaves us without the benefits of caching. I am not fan of sIFR, but feedling with CSS like this doesnt feel good either. Well... there's always inline styles ;) Introduction -David R

Re: [WSG] Semantic markup for object dimensions/units

2004-12-30 Thread Rimantas Liubertas
On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 13:48:09 -, Kornel Lesinski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I can't think of anything better than using unicode 'x' for multiplication. > [X]HTML doesn't have any markup for dimensions. > Well, from http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/sgml/entities.html : I assume × is safer

Re: [WSG] Web Design in 2005

2004-12-30 Thread Rimantas Liubertas
On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 13:44:24 +, David R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: <...> > > With a bit of server-side know-how, the CSS can be generated at the same > time <...> CSS is good, cause it is cached. Dynamic CSS leaves us without the benefits of caching. I am not fan of sIFR, but feedling with C

[WSG] A new year challenge - was [ Web Design in 2005]

2004-12-30 Thread designer
Hi everyone: Forty Media wrote: > Flash widgets come into common use; full-site Flash still regarded as “sucks.” Can anyone who is really interested in web 'design' say that a site such as: http://www.fosterandpartners.com/internetsite/Flash.html 'sucks'? It certainly isn't standards material

Re: [WSG] Semantic markup for object dimensions/units

2004-12-30 Thread Kornel Lesinski
Any thoughts on semantic markup for object dimensions? For example works of art; height x width x depth 400mm x 800mm x 200mm I can't think of anything better than using unicode 'x' for multiplication. [X]HTML doesn't have any markup for dimensions. -- regards, Kornel Lesiński *

Re: [WSG] Web Design in 2005

2004-12-30 Thread David R
Manuel González Noriega wrote: Still... can't they just stick to CSS implementations? This solution provides the exact same effect: Except that when you're dealing with higly dynamic content (say, a weblog or a news site), tweaking the css 10 times an hour becomes problematic. With a bit of server

Re: [WSG] Web Design in 2005

2004-12-30 Thread Manuel González Noriega
> Still... can't they just stick to CSS implementations? This solution > provides the exact same effect: Except that when you're dealing with higly dynamic content (say, a weblog or a news site), tweaking the css 10 times an hour becomes problematic. This is a good article on the how and when of

[WSG] Funny Left Margin in IE6

2004-12-30 Thread Dan
Hello everyone seasons greetings to you all. I have a small problem in, you guessed it, IE. I have a wrapper div which a bg image pushed to the top left and is 115px wide. Nested in tha, wrapper, div is a container div with a left margin of 115px which is there in order to reveal the image on the

Re: [WSG] Web Design in 2005

2004-12-30 Thread David R
Forty Media wrote: Flash widgets come into common use; full-site Flash still regarded as “sucks.” If there's one thing I cannot stand... its use of Inline flash replacement to use fancy fonts for headings Of course, I'm more affected than most because I've got the FlashBlock Firefox extension in

Re: [WSG] Semantic markup for object dimensions/units

2004-12-30 Thread Rimantas Liubertas
On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 09:28:13 +, Patrick H. Lauke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So, you may just as well do a very simple > > 400mm × 800 title="millimetres">mm × 200 title="millimetres">mm <...> Am I the only one thinking about mm as overkill? But I am from the metric world... More question could

Re: [WSG] Site Review: e-oddie.com

2004-12-30 Thread David R
Tatham Oddie wrote: I need to somehow vertically and horizontally center the image, then vertically center the text on top of it. If you have a solution I’d gladly implement it. Tatham... Did you look at my suggestion for using negative margins and relative positioning? I've had a look at it in

Re: [WSG] Webstandards for your iPod

2004-12-30 Thread Amit Karmakar
Well done Dey, just one suggestion though :) and you don't have to agree to this but would be nice if you did... how about putting the link to 'Don't miss the Style Master CSS podguide.' and 'Download the podGuide (80kb zip)'. under the graphic on the right side. (more noticable and in the first sc

Re: [WSG] page not validating as xhtml 1.0 strict - explanation?

2004-12-30 Thread Thorsten
first of all, thanks to the people who replied to my help request! :^) Lea de Groot wrote: The p tag is a peculiar beast; it cannot contain another block element, despite being a block element itself; it is implicitly closed when another block element is encountered. oh, ok, thanks for letting me

Re: [WSG] Web Design in 2005

2004-12-30 Thread James Bennett
On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 00:17:00 -0600 (CST), [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > They suggested that the looks that are out, or dated are, "...Retro; > Swiss/Euro; Minimal; "that standards-compliant look," which I thought some > of you might find an interesting read. Two columns plus heade

Re: [WSG] Web Design in 2005

2004-12-30 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I found an interesting article posted on a site, "Forty Media" that has posted their predictions on web design trends for the coming year. They suggested that the looks that are out, or dated are, "...Retro; Swiss/Euro; Minimal; “that standards-compliant look,” which I thou

Re: [WSG] Web Design in 2005

2004-12-30 Thread john
> They suggested that the looks that are out, or dated are, "...Retro; > Swiss/Euro; Minimal; “that standards-compliant look,” which I thought > some of you might find an interesting read. You mean, like the "standards-compliant look" of his own site? ;) ~john _ Dr. Zeus W

Re: [WSG] Semantic markup for object dimensions/units

2004-12-30 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Andy Kirkwood | MOTIVE wrote: Any thoughts on semantic markup for object dimensions? For example works of art; height x width x depth 400mm x 800mm x 200mm Could be two parts to this, markup to indicate dimensions (that the 'x' is mathematical: 'by'), and that 'mm' is an abbreviation of a standa

Re: [WSG] Webstandards for your iPod

2004-12-30 Thread Dey Alexander
Inspired by Westciv's terrific effort, I've iPod-ised some web accessibility standards that some might find useful to have at hand. Downloadable from http://deyalexander.com/resources/podguide/ the Web Accessibility podGuide includes: * Authoring Tools Accessibility Guidelines (ATAG 1.0)