[WSG] Intro and first question

2005-01-03 Thread Chris Moncus
First, thanks for the community support of standards. Too many developers I know have not seen the "light", so to say, of standards. I look forward to what I can both learn and share with you guys ( generic, includes females :D ). Now, for my question: I haven't spent a lot of time worrying abo

Re: [WSG] Site check please!! Oh, you MAC people ... are you getting sick of me yet? ;~)

2005-01-03 Thread Marilyn Langfeld
Looks fine in Mac Netscape 7.2 and Opera 7.54. Very small differences in Opera 6.03. The dashed underlines at bottom of page are black, not white, and the light grey bar on nav list at right only covers the type, not the whole bar. Really minor details. Best regards, Marilyn Langfeld http://www.l

Re: [WSG] Site check please!! Oh, you MAC people ... are you getting sick of me yet? ;~)

2005-01-03 Thread Rick Faaberg
On 1/3/05 5:42 PM "Mani Sheriar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent this out: > I have another request for a site check and, once again, Mac users are > especially needed. > > Please see: http://www.manisheriar.com/globalrocket/indexNEW.htm > Superficially at least, looks fine on latest Safari. Same for

[WSG] Site check please!! Oh, you MAC people ... are you getting sick of me yet? ;~)

2005-01-03 Thread Mani Sheriar
Hi All, I have another request for a site check and, once again, Mac users are especially needed. Please see: http://www.manisheriar.com/globalrocket/indexNEW.htm THANK YOU! (And, yes, I realize it's a bit cheesy ... but you should have seen the logo I was given to work with and "stay as close

Re: [WSG] What did I miss still site review plz

2005-01-03 Thread Jonathan T. Sage
On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 14:16:47 +1100, russ - maxdesign <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Looking to release by the end of the week. Please tear it apart, > > particularly in the department of accesibility, as my target audience > > is composed larely of older people, some with sight problems related >

RE: [WSG] IE 5

2005-01-03 Thread standards
Thank you all for your prompt responses and information! I will check out the previously submitted links, and weigh it against the input cited below. Very respectfully yours, Mario S. Cisneros > In regards to the links ppl have given you to the 'Multiple Internet > Explorer versions' downloads,

[WSG] ADMIN: Changes to WSG login system

2005-01-03 Thread Peter Firminger
Hi everyone. You will probably get this message twice as I am cross posting to two lists to make sure you all see it (in case some spam filtering loses the post from [EMAIL PROTECTED] and if you don't get the post with [WSG Announce] in the subject please adjust your settings to receive it). I

[WSG Announce] ADMIN: Changes to WSG login system

2005-01-03 Thread Peter Firminger
This is a one-way list for WSG Announcements Hi everyone. You will probably get this message twice as I am cross posting to two lists to make sure you all see it (in case some spam filtering loses the post from [EMAIL PROTECTED] and if you don't get

Re: [WSG] What did I miss still site review plz

2005-01-03 Thread russ - maxdesign
> Looking to release by the end of the week. Please tear it apart, > particularly in the department of accesibility, as my target audience > is composed larely of older people, some with sight problems related > to aging etc. Have you checked the differences between your page background colours a

[WSG] What did I miss still site review plz

2005-01-03 Thread Jonathan T. Sage
http://www.wooster.edu/ohiolightopera/NEW/ Looking to release by the end of the week. Please tear it apart, particularly in the department of accesibility, as my target audience is composed larely of older people, some with sight problems related to aging etc. Thanks much for any feedback you ca

Re: [WSG] Shedding Holiday Pounds

2005-01-03 Thread Bruce
I know, but it is amazing how many people browse at that still, and I kinda like it... maybe I will lol Bruce The Bo$$ wrote: If you can, you should try switching to a bigger resolution. It's much better, and you'll wonder how you ever survived using 800x600. On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 18:49:45 -0500, B

Re: [WSG] Shedding Holiday Pounds

2005-01-03 Thread The Bo$$
If you can, you should try switching to a bigger resolution. It's much better, and you'll wonder how you ever survived using 800x600. On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 18:49:45 -0500, Bruce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The site is major better. Looks good, Loads fast, gives choice for > movie, tells siz

RE: [WSG] IE 5

2005-01-03 Thread Miles Tillinger
In regards to the links ppl have given you to the 'Multiple Internet Explorer versions' downloads, you should be aware of the potential issues. There is no evidence either way that says this method is a true representation of older versions of IE and all inherent issues with Javascript, CSS, DOM,

Re: [WSG] Shedding Holiday Pounds

2005-01-03 Thread Bruce
The site is major better. Looks good, Loads fast, gives choice for movie, tells size... nice. I use windows, Firefox with an 800x600 resolution and there is a scroll bar across the bottom which I can almost get rid of using the very small text. Positives happening :-) I am liking the group, ve

Re: [WSG] Still need help with the list style

2005-01-03 Thread Paul Connolley
On 3 Jan 2005, at 22:38, Paul Connolley wrote: Notwithstanding any bugs in the browsers, that is. Which is the problem anyway. Specifying a list item element to have display : block means that no glyph should be rendered and that it should be just a box. Being overly explicit is for the benefit o

Re: [WSG] Still need help with the list style

2005-01-03 Thread Paul Connolley
On 3 Jan 2005, at 21:53, Ted Drake wrote: #rlcategories li {list-style:none !important; margin:0; padding:0; display:block;} Try using list-style-type : none as opposed to the shorthand property which expects three values. !important may, and should, not be necessary if you have used logical and

Re: [WSG] Still need help with the list style

2005-01-03 Thread Charles Martin
Charles Martin wrote: Try applying the list-item-style property to the UL element. I had this problem before and it seems to prefer this option apply to the whole list and not just a single LI element. Whoa... where did I get *that* property name from? However, I did notice that my references

Re: [WSG] Need help with the horizontal navigation and any other comments

2005-01-03 Thread Marilyn Langfeld
I'm also fighting with a navigation problem, probably due to either inheritance or maybe doctype issues. I've also got a small problem with GoLive (which I use mostly for site management, doing CSS directly in source), which is adding two problematic lines per page. I've fixed them on the index pag

Re: [WSG] Still need help with the list style

2005-01-03 Thread Charles Martin
Ted Drake wrote: Does anyone have an idea why the background bullets keep appearing on this navigation bar? Try applying the list-item-style property to the UL element. I had this problem before and it seems to prefer this option apply to the whole list and not just a single LI element. ***

Re: [WSG] IE 5

2005-01-03 Thread JohnyB
I know many of you are running IE 5, and wondered if you had encountered any problems running multiple versions? Nope, because: http://www.skyzyx.com/archives/94.php ... -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com

Re: [WSG] FOUC in Safari was Slow loading of CSS

2005-01-03 Thread Ben Curtis
On Jan 3, 2005, at 8:43 AM, Lea de Groot wrote: On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 14:20:02 +0100, Roger Johansson wrote: Safari? I use it all the time, 10-15 hours a day, and I can't remember ever seeing a FOUC in Safari. Could it be that it only happens in the very first versions? I didn't use Safari full time

RE: [WSG] Centering thumbnails

2005-01-03 Thread Collin Davis
>> page: http://www.bonusontwerp.nl/dijdel/etalage/bedrijfsreportage.html Why not save yourself some code bloat, and use a rule such as: div.thumbs img{width:36px; height:36px; border:0;} and clear all of that out of your markup? (such as ) That would help solve the problem of typos when doing

Re: [WSG] IE 5

2005-01-03 Thread Brian Cummiskey
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I downloaded IE version 5.0 from your Evolt's browser archive, and wanted to ensure that initiating the setup wouldn't cause problems with my current OS or browser configuration. I'm currently running Windows XP Home Edition, and I recieve the following message when I launc

[WSG] Still need help with the list style

2005-01-03 Thread Ted Drake
Hi All Thanks for the help so far, but I'm still having problems. http://v4.csatravelprotection.com/csa/linkview.do I should explain the situation a little better, there are several unordered lists on the page, a top right nav, a top main nav, and in the body of the page, there is a navigatio

Re: [WSG] IE 5

2005-01-03 Thread Kim Kruse
Hi, Try this instead http://www.skyzyx.com/downloads/?PHPSESSID=dcfd2d1aad122941eac9dca3b811e845 Kim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, I hope this isn't OT, but I want to test my sites on various browsers and versions to ensure their compliancy, which I'm assuming is standards related. I currentl

Re: [WSG] Need help with the list style

2005-01-03 Thread JohnyB
ctrl+f5 ? -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting h

Re: [WSG] Validation Error

2005-01-03 Thread JohnyB
W3C CSS Validator Results for http://ckimedia.com/ No error or warning found Congratulations! Valid CSS! This document validates as CSS! ... -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for h

[WSG] IE 5

2005-01-03 Thread standards
Hi All, I hope this isn't OT, but I want to test my sites on various browsers and versions to ensure their compliancy, which I'm assuming is standards related. I currently have IE 6.0, NN 7.0, FF 1.0 and Mozilla 1.6 I downloaded IE version 5.0 from your Evolt's browser archive, and wanted to ensu

Re: [WSG] Centering thumbnails

2005-01-03 Thread Beedog
Jorg, -change img-line1 and img-line4 in: height="36" width "36" -css is ok Beedog [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "BonusOntwerp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 2:06 PM Subject: [WSG] Centering thumbnails Happy new year everyone, I'm having a hard ti

RE: [WSG] Need help with the list style

2005-01-03 Thread Ted Drake
I didn't see it on another computer, but it keeps showing up on my screen. I've hit shift-refresh. Perhaps it is just a bug on my box. Is there a better way to refresh the css cache on IE? Thanks Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Pringle,

RE: [WSG] Need help with the list style

2005-01-03 Thread Pringle, Ron
> I've got this navigation list that looks fine in ff and opera > but it suffers from a mystery inheritance problem in IE > I'm using: list-style:none !important; and yet it continues > to show a bullet in the boxes. > http://v4.csatravelprotection.com/csa/linkview.do > > Does anyone have a sugg

[WSG] Need help with the list style

2005-01-03 Thread Ted Drake
I've got this navigation list that looks fine in ff and opera but it suffers from a mystery inheritance problem in IE I'm using: list-style:none !important; and yet it continues to show a bullet in the boxes. http://v4.csatravelprotection.com/csa/linkview.do Does anyone have a suggestion? thank

Re: [WSG] Validation Error

2005-01-03 Thread Charles Martin
May want to give it another try.. I just did the validation through Firefox and it reported no errors. -- _ Charles Martin http://www.webcudgel.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://websta

Re: [WSG] Validation Error[solved]

2005-01-03 Thread Chris Kennon
Ironically the problem was with a link to a web standards site. On Monday, January 3, 2005, at 08:21 AM, Chris Kennon wrote: Me Again: The W3c CSS validator is giving me strange results. All was well yesterday, but to today I'm instructed to validate the document, which returns valid XHTML,

[WSG] Validation Error

2005-01-03 Thread Chris Kennon
Me Again: The W3c CSS validator is giving me strange results. All was well yesterday, but to today I'm instructed to validate the document, which returns valid XHTML, but the CSS validator reports an error: http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http://ckimedia.com/ index.php CK _

Re: [WSG] FOUC in Safari was Slow loading of CSS

2005-01-03 Thread Marilyn Langfeld
I'm running OSX 10.3 and have Safari 1.2.3 (though I mostly use Firefox now) and just took a look at the comedy site. No FUOC. But I distinctly remember seeing in on Wired News until maybe a year ago. Then it stopped. Don't know what changed, though. Best regards, Marilyn Langfeld http://www.lang

Re: [WSG] Shedding Holiday Pounds

2005-01-03 Thread Chris Kennon
Hi, Hope this does not constitute noise. But thanks for all the suggestions. The problems appear solved, even to some the dreaded QT. Happy New Year to all. C On Monday, January 3, 2005, at 03:18 AM, Iain Gardiner wrote: I was puzzled by the different link styling. I use FF 1, and when I hove

Re: [WSG] FOUC in Safari was Slow loading of CSS

2005-01-03 Thread Paul Connolley
On 3 Jan 2005, at 13:43, Lea de Groot wrote: On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 14:20:02 +0100, Roger Johansson wrote: Safari? I use it all the time, 10-15 hours a day, and I can't remember ever seeing a FOUC in Safari.[snip] Hmmm, interesting - I'm running Panther, so I'm not running an early version - 1.2.4 (v12

[WSG] FOUC in Safari was Slow loading of CSS

2005-01-03 Thread Lea de Groot
On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 14:20:02 +0100, Roger Johansson wrote: > Safari? I use it all the time, 10-15 hours a day, and I can't > remember ever seeing a FOUC in Safari. Could it be that it only > happens in the very first versions? I didn't use Safari full time > until late 2003, when Mac OS X 10.3 an

Re: [WSG] Slow loading of CSS

2005-01-03 Thread Rene Saarsoo
Hi, Interestingly I saw the FOUC for about a minute before the style appeared, and it was a good thing, because the site was fully usable, so I read it through before any styles were applied :) I have mostly encountered this with cssZenGarden (when the stylesheet is fetched from some far-far-away

Re: [WSG] Slow loading of CSS

2005-01-03 Thread Roger Johansson
On 3 jan 2005, at 14.02, Lea de Groot wrote: Its called a FOUC - a flash of unstyled content. Does this problem happen with other browsers? From memory, it only happens in IE5.5 and Safari (ok, that probably means it happens in Konquerer too...) Safari? I use it all the time, 10-15 hours a day, and

[WSG] Centering thumbnails

2005-01-03 Thread BonusOntwerp
Happy new year everyone, I'm having a hard time centering images (horizontally and vertically). In the right column there are 20 thumbnails with a maximum width or height of 36 pixels. I want to center them horizontally and vertically. The class "thumbs img" is like this: .thumbs img { margin: 0

Re: [WSG] Slow loading of CSS

2005-01-03 Thread Lea de Groot
On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 23:34:17 +1100, Ryan Sabir wrote: > I'm often seeing the problem where the HTML loads before the CSS, > leaving a second or so where you can see the raw structure of the site > before it gets the stylesheet applied. For example: Its called a FOUC - a flash of unstyled content.

Re: [WSG] Slow loading of CSS

2005-01-03 Thread Prabhath Sirisena
Hi Ryan, This is a common problem, (Flash of Unstyled Content) with plenty of cures. Check this out: http://www.bluerobot.com/web/css/fouc.asp Prabhath Sirisena www.vesess.com On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 23:34:17 +1100, Ryan Sabir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi all, > > Its great that more and mor

Re: [WSG] Slow loading of CSS

2005-01-03 Thread Bert Doorn
It's called a Flash of Unstyled Content (FOUC) See http://www.bluerobot.com/web/css/fouc.asp (Found in Resources section of the Web Standards Group's site) Regards -- Bert Doorn, Better Web Design http://www.betterwebdesign.com.au/ Fast-loading, user-friendly websites

Re: [WSG] Slow loading of CSS

2005-01-03 Thread David R
Ryan Sabir wrote: Hi all, Its great that more and more people are fully laying out their sites using CSS, but I'm often seeing the problem where the HTML loads before the CSS, leaving a second or so where you can see the raw structure of the site before it gets the stylesheet applied. For example:

[WSG] Slow loading of CSS

2005-01-03 Thread Ryan Sabir
Hi all, Its great that more and more people are fully laying out their sites using CSS, but I'm often seeing the problem where the HTML loads before the CSS, leaving a second or so where you can see the raw structure of the site before it gets the stylesheet applied. For example: http://www.come

RE: [WSG] Shedding Holiday Pounds

2005-01-03 Thread Iain Gardiner
I was puzzled by the different link styling. I use FF 1, and when I hover over the ALA link, the underline that appears causes some odd shifting in the following links. -- Iain Gardiner http://www.firelightning.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAI

Re: [WSG] I had to laugh - was [ Some links for light reading (3/1/05)]

2005-01-03 Thread Tim John
I'm with you on this one Bob - I view the SitePoint, RSS feeds. It doesn't matter how many times I "cancel" the pop-ups, every time I re-visit, I get another! Now this is kind of understandable as I don't run my aggregater 24/7 but, as I've already purchased numerous SitePoint books, I do wish they

[WSG] I had to laugh - was [ Some links for light reading (3/1/05)]

2005-01-03 Thread designer
Hello all, - Original Message - From: "russ - maxdesign" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Beware of Opening Links in a New Window > http://www.sitepoint.com/article/beware-opening-links-new-window > When I looked at this link just now, I read the Neil Turner's piece about why I shouldn't open a ne