RE: [WSG] html design - best practices

2005-08-16 Thread Edward Clarke
You are correct, it hasn't been 'officially' deprecated but as visual tags and not logical ones; CSS offers a better long term solution. http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-xhtml2-20050527/elements.html seems to agree. Regarding books, if you carry extra [per book] information in the context of the book

[WSG] 100% width table inside a DIV

2005-08-16 Thread Miles Tillinger
Hi, Consider the following example: http://www.streetdaddy.com/temp/index.html http://www.streetdaddy.com/temp/index.css I am developing a site based around this structure, however something in the complicated CSS of my site is causing it to not behave the same as this simple example. The basic

Re: [WSG] Win IE hacks -- Please help!

2005-08-16 Thread Ingo Chao
Janelle Clemens wrote: I am uncomfortable with hacks and am trying to avoid them as much as possible. I really appreciate all the links and info on Win IE hacks that everyone has been giving but reading about how they work is not helping. I could really use an example of how to implement them.

Re: [WSG] html design - best practices

2005-08-16 Thread Lea de Groot
On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 23:56:39 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > thanks to all who responded. i want to do it with standards compliance. Glad to help! An aside: Bear in mind that you can do the most awful table-based design and be 'standards-compliant'. Once you've learnt the rules and know how t

Re: [WSG] html design - best practices

2005-08-16 Thread dwain
Lea de Groot wrote: On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 10:12:24 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: in a monologue i am listing book titles and i have them styled bold (css) in an "" tag. (i.e., nag hammadi library, the holy qur'an, the dead sea scrolls, etc.) Have you seen the cite tag? It sounds like it mig

RE: [WSG] Win IE hacks -- Please help!

2005-08-16 Thread Janelle Clemens
Thanks Ben. Unfortunately it is not for tabular data but page layout. But let me clarify that. The main template (topnav, sidenav, footer) is in a tabless format and validated. The content area will have a 2 row, 3 column layout. Each cell will contain content, like highlights or list of pro

RE: [WSG] html design - best practices

2005-08-16 Thread Peter Williams
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Ben Curtis wrote: > > Innocents Abroad > > Then style the class as you see fit. > > ...i think that this is the solution. although i > said a list of book titles i was not meaning list. If it is indeed a list, why not mark it up as a list? You could give the

Re: [WSG] html design - best practices

2005-08-16 Thread dwain
Ben Curtis wrote: On Aug 16, 2005, at 10:46 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sam Brown wrote: From your description, it sounds like you want the or tag. You want book titles to be bold; there is no clear tag for a book title (although there was a thread earlier in the year advocating I t

Re: [WSG] Irrelevant properties

2005-08-16 Thread Andrew Krespanis
Hey mate :) Interesting question, I think this one comes down to the dev environment... If you're the only person who will be working on this (ie: it's a personal project) then using what you've got and adding an informative comment would be enough. On the other hand, if I saw this at work I woul

Re: [WSG] html design - best practices

2005-08-16 Thread Bert Doorn
G'day That's a very curious thing for the W3C to publish. I am not aware of any HTML standard in which b and i are deprecated. Can anyone cite such a declaration? Cant find one myself. The closest is: http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/present/graphics.html#h-15./2 (which talks about some "font

Re: [WSG] Win IE hacks -- Please help!

2005-08-16 Thread Ben Curtis
On Aug 16, 2005, at 3:10 PM, Janelle Clemens wrote: My recent headache is trying to create a column/row of cells, like what tables used to be used for, but with the display properties table, table-row, table-column, table-cell. Use a table. Tables are valid HTML. You style them with CSS.

Re: [WSG] html design - best practices

2005-08-16 Thread Ben Curtis
On Aug 16, 2005, at 12:41 PM, Julie Romanowski wrote: Here is a W3C Working Draft that addresses and : http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-HTML-TECHS/ "The em and strong elements were designed to indicate structural emphasis that may be rendered in a variety of ways (font style changes, speech inf

Re: [WSG] Help with navigation

2005-08-16 Thread Terrence Wood
On 17 Aug 2005, at 1:36 PM, Terrence Wood wrote: remove :link or adding :link:visited from the following declaration: oops, I mean replace it with :visited T. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandar

Re: [WSG] Help with navigation

2005-08-16 Thread Helen . Rysavy
Thany you very much.. works now :) *** Helen Rysavy Web Designer Teaching & Learning Development Group Charles Darwin University, Northern Territory 0909 Tel: 8946 7779 Mobile: 0403 290 842 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] CRICOS Provider No: 00300K ***

Re: [WSG] Help with navigation

2005-08-16 Thread Terrence Wood
On 17 Aug 2005, at 1:18 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't see the currenttopic i.e. introduction being highlighted.. remove :link or adding :link:visited from the following declaration: #navCircle a.currenttopic:link becuause when it is the current page it becomes a visited page. kind re

RE: [WSG] Help with navigation

2005-08-16 Thread Peter Williams
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > I can't see the currenttopic i.e. introduction being highlighted.. > Ahhh, Now I see what you mean. You're missing the class="currenttopic" from the item you want highlighted as the current position. Your example page has: Introduction Your real page has: Introd

[WSG] Irrelevant properties

2005-08-16 Thread Jan Brasna
Hi all. How much appropriate is attaching eg. list-style to a definition for eg. heading, when I want to set it for more elements, but avoid splitting the definition in two? Example: h1, #head ul { list-style: none; margin: 0; padding: 0; position: absolute; width: 100px; height:

RE: [WSG] Help with navigation

2005-08-16 Thread Helen . Rysavy
I can't see the currenttopic i.e. introduction being highlighted.. *** Helen Rysavy Web Designer Teaching & Learning Development Group Charles Darwin University, Northern Territory 0909 Tel: 8946 7779 Mobile: 0403 290 842 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] CRICOS

RE: Spam: [WSG] Help with navigation

2005-08-16 Thread Nick Cowie
>From a quick look, it appears the class name differs between the two pages >From navigation page Introduction >From page Introduction Nick This email is from the Department of Consumer and Employment Protection and any information or attachments to it may be confidential. If you are not th

RE: [WSG] Help with navigation

2005-08-16 Thread Peter Williams
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > The subnav in my site: > http://learnline.cdu.edu.au/wip/tog/background/introduction.html > > should look like this: > http://learnline.cdu.edu.au/wip/tog/navtest.html. > > but I cannot get it to work. Helen, It is working nicely for me in IE6/Win and FF1.06/Win. Wh

[WSG] Help with navigation

2005-08-16 Thread Helen . Rysavy
Hi The subnav in my site: http://learnline.cdu.edu.au/wip/tog/background/introduction.html should look like this: http://learnline.cdu.edu.au/wip/tog/navtest.html. but I cannot get it to work.. :( - and I can't figure out why.. :( Any help is much appreciated. Thanks Helen *

RE: [WSG] html design - best practices

2005-08-16 Thread Peter Williams
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > they are not anchoring anything. isn't what i want > and is deprecated (?), so what is the practice to > "highlight" a word or words? Using boldface or italics is the usual method. These are semantically represented by the strong and em markup. Other options mig

Re: [WSG] Font Size Re-sizing

2005-08-16 Thread Felix Miata
Janelle Clemens wrote: > Oh, another quick question. Is it better to use % for line-height versus > pixel?Like I said I am used to using set sizes (pt & px) for everything. > This css is such a learning/breaking bad habits adventure. Actually the best answer should be neither, but due to

RE: [WSG] Hot Topic: HTML design [was Reason for leaving]

2005-08-16 Thread Peter Williams
> From: Patrick Lauke > http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/xml/library/x-eleatt.html > (not that it makes the advice any less valuable, but I love > how they seem to have some unclosed old tag there in the > markup somewhere...) If the information should not be normalized for white space, use

RE: [WSG] Win IE hacks -- Please help!

2005-08-16 Thread Drake, Ted C.
Bookmark http://www.positioniseverything.net/ It has saved many people from restless nights. Whenever IE is causing you to scream at the wall, visit the site and it will tell you how to fix that particular bug. Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On

Re: [WSG] Win IE hacks -- Please help!

2005-08-16 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Janelle Clemens wrote: > I have searched high and low to find ways around IE css issues but > have recently stumbled on the underscore (underscore in front of the > css tag, i.e. _height). I've also seen slash stars which I have > tried to decipher but got a headache instead. We currently are >

Re: [WSG] Win IE hacks -- Please help!

2005-08-16 Thread Jan Brasna
And sorry for the order :) Comments should be the first choice, then CSS only (but mind the IE7...) and after all of these the nonvalidating (like underscore). -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discuss

Re: [WSG] "window.open" and popup blockers

2005-08-16 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Jan Brasna wrote: > Sorry Thierry, I really don't understand you on this. As I wrote - the > browser doesn't (==shouldn't) ignore anything. Fullstop. NP, see my answer to Gez. I think I know now why the return false statement is not respected. >>> Eg. older Operas. >> >> That'd show that they con

Re: [WSG] "window.open" and popup blockers

2005-08-16 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Gez Lemon wrote: > In this example, Thierry, there are two completely separate > statements. Programmatically, they're not dependent on each other, and > should be executed sequentially. Any structured scripting/programming > language that breaks the sequence construct is broken. It's a > fundament

Re: [WSG] Win IE hacks -- Please help!

2005-08-16 Thread Jan Brasna
Help yourself here: Or, eventually, I'd rather go with: -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumer

Re: [WSG] Font Size Re-sizing

2005-08-16 Thread David Laakso
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The following is my current set of rules for allowing visitors to zoom text: body {margin: 0; padding: 0; font-size: 76%; background: #6A6A8F;} #container {width: 100%; font: normal 1em/14pt verdana, arial, sans-serif; text-align: justify; background: #fff;} Any advice

[WSG] Win IE hacks -- Please help!

2005-08-16 Thread Janelle Clemens
We are redesigning our company website and I am in charge of creating the templates. We are moving into XHTML and pure stylesheets which has been (and is still) a really amazing learning curve. We have always had to code cross browser but with this redesign we are finally chucking Netscape 4.7 an

Re: [WSG] html design - best practices

2005-08-16 Thread Lea de Groot
On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 10:12:24 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > in a monologue i am listing book titles and i have them styled bold > (css) in an "" tag. (i.e., nag hammadi library, the holy qur'an, > the dead sea scrolls, etc.) Have you seen the cite tag? It sounds like it might be of use to you

Re: [WSG] "window.open" and popup blockers

2005-08-16 Thread Jan Brasna
It does not ignore it! The method is fired successfully, but the environment processing it just does not open new window and tells the method to return false. It is not ignored in any way. The "environment processing it just does not open new window" vs. "it ignores it"... Is that supposed to an

Re: [WSG] attribute selectors question

2005-08-16 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Drake, Ted C. wrote: > Hi All > > I have a quick question. I don't seem to be running on all cylinders > and I can't remember how to write the css that would look for a link > that has .pdf in the href. > A [href???.pdf]... If you use type="application/pdf" in your anchor, I think you can go wi

Re: [WSG] Font Size Re-sizing

2005-08-16 Thread James O'Neill
Mario, /* use percentile on html to prevent IE from seemingly using a logrimthic increase and decrease         in font size when scaling (IE Bug) and use 100.1% to prevent a bug in Opera, and then set your font sizes in em's after that. Declare Body and Table Font size together to compensate for

Re: [WSG] attribute selectors question

2005-08-16 Thread standards
Hi Ted, It looks good to me, but you'd have to designate each pdf accordingly: a[href="test.pdf"] However, there is another attribute selector, but its a CSS3, which would work well based on your example: a[href$="pdf"] Kind regards, Mario > Hi All > > I have a quick question. I don't seem t

RE: [WSG] Font Size Re-sizing

2005-08-16 Thread Janelle Clemens
Oh, another quick question. Is it better to use % for line-height versus pixel?Like I said I am used to using set sizes (pt & px) for everything. This css is such a learning/breaking bad habits adventure. :-) Janelle -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROT

Re: [WSG] attribute selectors question

2005-08-16 Thread Gez Lemon
Hi Ted, On 16/08/05, Drake, Ted C. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have a quick question. I don't seem to be running on all cylinders and I > can't remember how to write the css that would look for a link that has .pdf > in the href. > A [href???.pdf]... Only CSS3 has attribute selectors that wou

RE: [WSG] Font Size Re-sizing

2005-08-16 Thread Janelle Clemens
Ahhh, thank you. Does it always have to have the slash or can you use a space? All other css short cuts seem to use a space, is the size/line-height short cut special? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Cummiskey Sent: Tuesday, Au

Re: [WSG] "window.open" and popup blockers

2005-08-16 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Jan Brasna wrote: >> In this particular case, if you consider normal to arbitrary ignore >> the "window.open" statement [...] > > It does not ignore it! The method is fired successfully, but the > environment processing it just does not open new window and tells the > method to return false. It is

RE: [WSG] Font Size Re-sizing

2005-08-16 Thread standards
Hi Janelle, The slash in my example separates font-size from line-height. Regards, Mario > We are in the middle of redesigning our company's website and after using pt > for so long ems > have been challenging to get used to. I have declared body {font-size: > 1em;} and have adjusted > from

Re: [WSG] "window.open" and popup blockers

2005-08-16 Thread Gez Lemon
On 16/08/05, Thierry Koblentz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm talking about a simple: > onclick="window.open(this.href,'myPopup'); return false;" > In this particular case, if you consider normal to arbitrary ignore the > "window.open" statement, then why do you consider "outrageous" to ignore > "

RE: [WSG] Font Size Re-sizing

2005-08-16 Thread Drake, Ted C.
Hi Janelle This is CSS shorthand, it is the same as font-size:x-small; line-height:130%; font-family...;} Personally, I like to write out the long format while testing my pages. I just seem to have less bugs when I don't shorten the body font styles. Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL

Re: [WSG] Font Size Re-sizing

2005-08-16 Thread Brian Cummiskey
Janelle Clemens wrote: Can you explain what the slash in your example is (body {font: x-small/130% Veranda, Arial, san-serif;}).Is this a browser hack? 130% in this case is the line height. it's short hand for: body { font-family: verdana, sans-serif; font-size: x-small; line-height: 13

[WSG] attribute selectors question

2005-08-16 Thread Drake, Ted C.
Hi All I have a quick question. I don't seem to be running on all cylinders and I can't remember how to write the css that would look for a link that has .pdf in the href. A [href???.pdf]... Or am I mixing up my CSS and javascript? I need some coffee. Ted *

RE: [WSG] Font Size Re-sizing

2005-08-16 Thread Janelle Clemens
We are in the middle of redesigning our company's website and after using pt for so long ems have been challenging to get used to. I have declared body {font-size: 1em;} and have adjusted from there (i.e. sidenav {font-size: 0.80em;}.Can you explain what the slash in your example is (body {fo

Re: [WSG] Font Size Re-sizing

2005-08-16 Thread Darren Wood
I know there are a lot of old school designers out there (and when I say designer I mean those people who spend their hours in photoshop and NOT doing the markup) who still insist that font-sizes be in point size. That is simply not practical in the web-space (as, I'm sure you know)...generally I

[WSG] Font Size Re-sizing

2005-08-16 Thread standards
G'day Mates, I've reviewed articles on A List Apart and the WSG sites, as well as, The CSS Anthology, but I really would like a more defintive answer pertaining to the best method for re-sizing text. Therefore, I thought it prudent to turn to the experts! The following is my current set of rule

Re: [WSG] "window.open" and popup blockers

2005-08-16 Thread Jan Brasna
In this particular case, if you consider normal to arbitrary ignore the "window.open" statement [...] It does not ignore it! The method is fired successfully, but the environment processing it just does not open new window and tells the method to return false. It is not ignored in any way.

Re: [WSG] "window.open" and popup blockers

2005-08-16 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Gez Lemon wrote: > I've no idea whether Opera does ignore return false statements, but it > would be outrageous if it did as it completely violates ECMA-262. > Ignoring whether or not it's good practice to have JavaScript > statements in an inline event handler, it is legal, and each statement > sh

RE: [WSG] html design - best practices

2005-08-16 Thread Julie Romanowski
>> is not deprecated, it just has no semantic value and in the fight >>to get people to markup their content semantically instead of >>visually, and became clear targets. Unfortunately, this means >>that many people think they should use and when they >>really should use and . It's simi

Re: [WSG] html design - best practices

2005-08-16 Thread Kenny Graham
If the books are mentioned in a sentence, such as "In the dead sea scrolls, someone said foo", then I agree completely with using cite. In the dead sea scrolls someone said foo or whatever.  One problem with many examples (including mine) of cite is that they always are paired with a quote, but th

Re: [WSG] "window.open" and popup blockers

2005-08-16 Thread Gez Lemon
On 16/08/05, Thierry Koblentz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I see one. In that particular case, such behaviour makes sure that the user > still can reach the href value. IMO, it makes sense, > and AFAIK, that's how Opera's blocker works. It ignores *both* statements, > "window.open" *and* "return fa

Re: [WSG] html design - best practices

2005-08-16 Thread Ben Curtis
On Aug 16, 2005, at 10:46 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sam Brown wrote: I'm not sure I would put these book titles in tags unless they are actually anchoring something. they are not anchoring anything. isn't what i want and is deprecated (?), so what is the practice to "highlight" a

Re: [WSG] "window.open" and popup blockers

2005-08-16 Thread Jan Brasna
That's why I didn't really see the need for testing for "window.open" to begin with, because in my mind a blocker that ignores "window.open" in an anchor should honour the href value. IMHO the blocker should just return negative result for window.open, nothing more. Since the construction "retu

Re: [WSG] "window.open" and popup blockers

2005-08-16 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Jan Brasna wrote: >> Do you mean there is no reason for ignoring the "return false" >> statement? > > Yes. I can't see any reason why a browser/plugin/firewall etc. should > ignore an independent part of a JS code. I see one. In that particular case, such behaviour makes sure that the user still c

Re: [WSG] "window.open" and popup blockers

2005-08-16 Thread Jan Brasna
Do you mean there is no reason for ignoring the "return false" statement? Yes. I can't see any reason why a browser/plugin/firewall etc. should ignore an independent part of a JS code. -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com

Re: [WSG] html design - best practices

2005-08-16 Thread dwain
Sam Brown wrote: I'm not sure I would put these book titles in tags unless they are actually anchoring something. they are not anchoring anything. isn't what i want and is deprecated (?), so what is the practice to "highlight" a word or words? i knew that i would some how verbalize my in

Re: [WSG] "window.open" and popup blockers

2005-08-16 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Jan Brasna wrote: >> I can understand the logic behind ignoring "window.open" (even in an >> anchor), but then I think a "return false" statement should be >> ignored as well. > > Are you sure? There's no reason for such an action. Jan, I'm not sure I understand your question regarding what you'v

Re: [WSG] Q: cross browser submit button image replacement

2005-08-16 Thread Ben Curtis
On Aug 15, 2005, at 4:15 AM, Rex Chung wrote: Anyone know what is the best practise for image replacement with rollover states for submit buttons. I tried adding onmouseover class change javascript with: 1. background image for but - doesnt work for safari, value attribute shows up 2. text-i

Re: [WSG] "window.open" and popup blockers

2005-08-16 Thread Jan Brasna
I can understand the logic behind ignoring "window.open" (even in an anchor), but then I think a "return false" statement should be ignored as well. Are you sure? There's no reason for such an action. -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com **

Re: [WSG] accessibility - opening new windows philosophy

2005-08-16 Thread Thierry Koblentz
> In the case of PDFs opening in a new window, you might not even need > to add a class. You could write a function that looks for the file > extension .pdf in the href attribute and open that link in a new > window. Andrew Krespanis posted this link a few weeks ago http://leftjustified.net/lab/j

[WSG] "window.open" and popup blockers

2005-08-16 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Following the "opening new window philosophy thread", I'm curious to know if there are blockers out there that *kill* links that trigger popups (do not open a new window, do not call the href value either). I can understand the logic behind ignoring "window.open" (even in an anchor), but then I thi

RE: [WSG] html design - best practices

2005-08-16 Thread Sam Brown
--- "Drake, Ted C. " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I try to avoid using spans as much as possible. It's > not that they are bad, > but that they could be avoided in many instances. I agree with your comments here, Ted, I just didn't have any context to provide a more meaningful explanation. Perso

RE: [WSG] html design - best practices

2005-08-16 Thread TN38 [Admin]
It's a valid point actually. DIVitis and SPANitis are rife and elements can normally be styled using inherent selectors. The fact you have the text wrapped in means you can approach the CSS from with #container a -Original Message- Think twice before using a span *

RE: [WSG] html design - best practices

2005-08-16 Thread Drake, Ted C.
Hi Dwain I try to avoid using spans as much as possible. It's not that they are bad, but that they could be avoided in many instances. It takes me back to something that an editor once taught me. She said that I should think twice before using the word "that". It can usually be removed and the

RE: [WSG] html design - best practices

2005-08-16 Thread TN38 [Admin]
Semantic = meaning. What is the meaning of highlighting the text? If it's a design decision the use If it's a meaning decision use or Think of as a rise in pitch when reading something out to someone. Think of as slow and controlled while pointing your finger kinda speech. -Original Me

Re: [WSG] html design - best practices

2005-08-16 Thread dwain
Sam Brown wrote: --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i have a page with text that i want highlighted. i currently have the text in "text" and styled with css. what is the best practice, semantically, to achieve this, as is not what i want, because i don't want someone to get yelled at by their

Re: [WSG] html design - best practices

2005-08-16 Thread Sam Brown
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > i have a page with text that i > want highlighted. i > currently have the text in "text" and styled > with css. what is > the best practice, semantically, to achieve this, as > is not > what i want, because i don't want someone to get > yelled at by their > scr

Re: [WSG] RE: Hot Topic: HTML design

2005-08-16 Thread Chris Kennon
Hi, Wasn't quite articulating this prior to your reply but the PHP includes and serving the correct doctype, with PHP are true boons to smaller sites attempting "semanticity." On Aug 15, 2005, at 10:25 PM, Rei Paki wrote: Paul Separating core content from other structural content was

[WSG] Joe Clark "Sharing the Secrets of Web Accessibility" One Day Workshop / 1 September 2005 / London

2005-08-16 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
A little something for UK based developers (apologies for cross posting): Joe Clark "Sharing the Secrets of Web Accessibility" One Day Workshop / 1 September 2005 / London "Joe's advice will help you overcome those tricky areas that most developers get stuck on. He'll also let you in on many

Re: [WSG] Hot Topic: HTML design [was Reason for leaving]

2005-08-16 Thread dwain
Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Hassan Schroeder wrote: Also, consider the refactoring pain if -- when! -- you might need to increase the granularity of your data -- is: Mark Twain suddenly needs to be: Mark Twain ... ... etc. Much easier t

[WSG] html design - best practices

2005-08-16 Thread dwain
hello, i've been lurking for a while and commenting occasionally, and i appreciate the change of venue. i am a designer learning about development. i have become more interested in web standards for the past year. thanks for the post about westciv (x)html class, i feel that i am ready for i

Re: [WSG] Hot Topic: HTML design [was Reason for leaving]

2005-08-16 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Hassan Schroeder wrote: Also, consider the refactoring pain if -- when! -- you might need to increase the granularity of your data -- is: Mark Twain suddenly needs to be: Mark Twain ... ... etc. Much easier to work with elements in t

Re: [WSG] Hot Topic: HTML design [was Reason for leaving]

2005-08-16 Thread Hassan Schroeder
Patrick Lauke wrote: http://www.twainquotes.com/Virtue.html";> ...virtue has never been as respectable as money. Mark Twain Innocents Abroad http://www.twainquotes.com/Virtue.html ...virtue has never been as respectable as money. In essence (if you agree with the thoughts in the

THREAD CLOSED Re: [WSG] Need recomendations for CMS system

2005-08-16 Thread Lea de Groot
On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 14:03:32 +0200, morten fjellman wrote: > I am looking for a CMS system that will produce code/mark-up that > follows web standards. Hi! This is actually off topic for this list. Due to popular demand, we have a separate list for CMS discussions. Can I suggest you log in at htt

Re: [WSG] Need recomendations for CMS system

2005-08-16 Thread morten fjellman
> What kind of scale project are you looking at? Small site, large site, > large enterprise...? The system will be used for all kinds of sites, but mostly for small/medium businesses. Most of my clients want to update their site themselves, but I don't want to give them the oppurtunity of messing

RE: [WSG] Need recomendations for CMS system [CLOSED]

2005-08-16 Thread Peter Firminger
There is a CMS list for this discussion. Please log into the WSG site and add it to your lists in your login details. Peter ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for so

Re: [WSG] Need recomendations for CMS system

2005-08-16 Thread Clive Walker
Textpattern is very flexible and it's perfectly possible to use it for an entire website. http://www.textpattern.com Clive Walker CVW Web Design http://www.cvwdesign.co.uk/ - Original Message - From: "morten fjellman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tues

Re: [WSG] Need recomendations for CMS system

2005-08-16 Thread heretic
> I am looking for a CMS system that will produce code/mark-up that > follows web standards. A lot of systems spits out tables and weird > tags that doesn't validate. I'm mostly interested in freeware, but if > I need to buy one to get such a system then that's fine too. I have > been searching the

Re: [WSG] accessibility - opening new windows philosophy

2005-08-16 Thread Anders Ringqvist
Jeremy Keith wrote: Ted Drake wrote: Jeremy Keith recently spoke about using the class in the link to target a javascript to add the behavior, leaving a nice, clean link. In the case of PDFs opening in a new window, you might not even need to add a class. You could write a function that l

[WSG] Need recomendations for CMS system

2005-08-16 Thread morten fjellman
Hi, list. I am looking for a CMS system that will produce code/mark-up that follows web standards. A lot of systems spits out tables and weird tags that doesn't validate. I'm mostly interested in freeware, but if I need to buy one to get such a system then that's fine too. I have been searching the

Re: [WSG] Hot Topic: HTML design [was Reason for leaving]

2005-08-16 Thread Alan Gutierrez
* Jason Foss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-08-16 03:36]: > Being a bit of an XML newbie, what's the difference between > > permalink="http://www.twainquotes.com/Virtue.html";> > ...virtue has never been as respectable as money. > > > and > > > Mark Twain > Innocents Abroad > http://www.

Re: [WSG] accessibility - opening new windows philosophy

2005-08-16 Thread Jeremy Keith
Ted Drake wrote: Jeremy Keith recently spoke about using the class in the link to target a javascript to add the behavior, leaving a nice, clean link. In the case of PDFs opening in a new window, you might not even need to add a class. You could write a function that looks for the file ext

RE: [WSG] RE: Hot Topic: HTML design

2005-08-16 Thread Patrick Lauke
> Rick Faaberg > > The beauty of this is that you can include xslt libraries to pretty > > much rewrite the most horrid html to clean standards based xhtml. > > > > The additional bonus of this is that you can rearrange the semantic > > layout of the html at will using nothing more than xslt. >

Re: [WSG] RE: Hot Topic: HTML design

2005-08-16 Thread Lea de Groot
On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 02:33:31 -0700, Rick Faaberg wrote: > Before I unsub because you all are way over my head, how do you know this? > Do you just pull it out of your *ss? Don't unsub - where else will you be exposed to so much stuff you hadn't even dreamed of? :) warmly, Lea -- Lea de Groot El

Re: [WSG] RE: Hot Topic: HTML design

2005-08-16 Thread Adrian Lynch
Rick Faaberg wrote: Before I unsub because you all are way over my head, how do you know this? Do you just pull it out of your *ss? Sorry? Nice way to get an answer. I know this because I have been doing this for the last 12 months -and so have many, many others. I guess I just don't se

Re: [WSG] RE: Hot Topic: HTML design

2005-08-16 Thread Rick Faaberg
> The beauty of this is that you can include xslt libraries to pretty > much rewrite the most horrid html to clean standards based xhtml. > > The additional bonus of this is that you can rearrange the semantic > layout of the html at will using nothing more than xslt. Before I unsub because you a

Re: [WSG] RE: Hot Topic: HTML design

2005-08-16 Thread Adrian Lynch
On 8/16/05, Patrick H. Lauke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Paul Bennett wrote: > As soon as there is consistent browser support for client side xslt, we'll be able to deliver pure xml to the client and have it apply style and layout as the / browser chooses. True accessibility and universality. Th

Re: [WSG] Increase/Decrease font size functionality?

2005-08-16 Thread Jens Grochtdreis
Bennie, Jack schrieb: Does anyone know any good code to implement "Increase/Decrease font size" functionality to web pages? you might mean a "styleswitcher". Look at ALA or Google for that word. But first of all: forget it Just dont't use pixel as a font-unit and everything will be okay

Re: [WSG] Increase/Decrease font size functionality?

2005-08-16 Thread Rick Faaberg
On 8/16/05 12:15 AM "Bennie, Jack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent this out: > Does anyone know any good code to implement "Increase/Decrease font size" > functionality to web pages? "Power To The People: Relative Font Sizes" Bojan Mihelac "Here¹s a simple

RE: [WSG] Hot Topic: HTML design [was Reason for leaving]

2005-08-16 Thread Patrick Lauke
> Jason Foss > Being a bit of an XML newbie, what's the difference between > > permalink="http://www.twainquotes.com/Virtue.html";> > ...virtue has never been as respectable as money. > > > and > > > Mark Twain > Innocents Abroad > http://www.twainquotes.com/Virtue.html > ...virt

[WSG] Increase/Decrease font size functionality?

2005-08-16 Thread Bennie, Jack
Title: Increase/Decrease font size functionality? Does anyone know any good code to implement "Increase/Decrease font size" functionality to web pages? Regards Jack Bennie Web Developer *

Re: [WSG] Hot Topic: HTML design [was Reason for leaving]

2005-08-16 Thread Jason Foss
Being a bit of an XML newbie, what's the difference between http://www.twainquotes.com/Virtue.html";> ...virtue has never been as respectable as money. and Mark Twain Innocents Abroad http://www.twainquotes.com/Virtue.html ...virtue has never been as respectable as money. aside f

RE: [WSG] RE: Hot Topic: HTML design

2005-08-16 Thread Kara O'Halloran - Eduka
As far as sitemap pages go I believe there is a (beta) standard that Google set in place for the sitemap page that gives suggested tags to use etc. I'm not a technical person so forgive me if this holds no relevance! https://www.google.com/webmasters/sitemaps/login Seems like a step in the righ

Re: [WSG] RE: Hot Topic: HTML design

2005-08-16 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Paul Bennett wrote: As soon as there is consistent browser support for client side xslt, we'll be able to deliver pure xml to the client and have it apply style and layout as the / browser chooses. True accessibility and universality. The problem, though, would be that everybody will invent t