[WSG] London meeting
Can someone in the London group help clarify something for me? I joined the WSG and found that there were no events scheduled for London since July 06. I subsequently discover there have been several interesting events in London, but no notice at all in the WSG events calendar. The last page I found for the WSG London meetings (http:// muffinresearch.co.uk/wsg/) asks me to join the WSG list but I am wondering why join the WSG list for London meetings if they do not post them on the WSG site? Can I know why WSGLondon do not make use of the WSG list? I have started an informal discussion group for London and would really like to help support the more structured WSGL presentations with a monthly discussion group, and possibly some planning and organising assistance but cannot get a hold of any WSGL people. Are you out there, people? == Joe Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] London Meetup for people interested in an informal discussion around web standards
Thanks Karl, but the pubstandards group appears to have withered away and died, unfortunately. at least the UK one. On Oct 10, 2007, at 23:56, Karl Lurman wrote: Joe, Great to see gatherings of like-minded folk all over the place. As a side note, have you heard about Pubstandards UK? http://www.pubstandards.co.uk/ Website has kind of died off, but they have a mailing list that has updates on meetings (Generally something on every week or so from what I hear, with Sub-standards). Some very interesting webby people get involved... For Australian Melbournites, there is also Pubstandards: http://www.pubstandards.org Karl On 10/9/07, Joseph Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For the Attention of those of you in London, UK. WS Meetup London Group I hope this isn't an infringement of the mailing list. Apologies if I got it wrong. Sorry for the short notice but there has been a bit of an internal debate on the merits of letting you all know about this. For those of you who are not aware, there is a site called Meetup dot com that allows people to create a regular group meeting among people who wish to meet and discuss a topic. anything from books, television programs, games, etc. whatever your interests it helps you find others then start a group. For the past year or so there have been over 100 people who expressed an interest in joining a Web Standards Meetup Group and I managed to get a few dozen interested in joining these past weeks. There will be an inagural meeting of the Web Standards London Meetup Group TONIGHT for anyone interested in discussing issues around implementing Web Standards. This is in no way connected to WASP or Web Standards Group dot org and arose from my experiences in various meetups around London. The aim of this meetup is to have informal discussions or very short presentations (15 mins max) in a pub or coffee-house and to open the floor to informal discussions, support, sharing and commiserate. If possible I would very much like to help promote the WSG London branch through this. They don't seem to be posting their events on the webstandardsgroup.org site since July 2006, even though you get to join the London branch by joining WSG.org. Please visit: http://webstandards.meetup.com/130/ if you are interested in joining this group, which, as some have mentioned in the discussion, is not designed to supplant but instead to compliment the existing WSG.org. London group. http://webstandards.meetup.com/130/ == Joe Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** == Joe Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] London meeting
Joseph Ortenzi wrote: Can I know why WSGLondon do not make use of the WSG list? I have started an informal discussion group for London and would really like to help support the more structured WSGL presentations with a monthly discussion group, and possibly some planning and organising assistance but cannot get a hold of any WSGL people. Are you out there, people? Jo, at first I thought this was a complaint in reaction to Karl’s post — but by the looks of it you just missed it. The jist is, there’s a specific list for London web standards meetings. http://www.pubstandards.co.uk/ I hear about far many more web developers from the South East than I do Canberra, so it makes sense. This’d be the place to post things to, now that we’ve made some noise about it on the Web Standards list proper. Regards, Barney *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] London Meetup for people interested in an informal discussion around web standards
On 11 Oct 2007, at 10:58, Joseph Ortenzi wrote: Thanks Karl, but the pubstandards group appears to have withered away and died, unfortunately. at least the UK one. Erm... http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/290703/ Next pubstandards UK meetup is next Thursday :-) HTH, Nick. -- Nick Fitzsimons http://www.nickfitz.co.uk/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] London Meetup for people interested in an informal discussion around web standards
Heya guys, Just to confirm that Pub Standards is not the only web standards meet-ups and going the list will only get you messages about pub standards events - nothing else. The mailer is also specifically for Beer related talk - though from time to time web standards is mentioned If you are looking for speakers and presentations then pub standards is not for you - it is really all about the beer and just a coincidence that everyone who attends are web devs ; For general meet-ups with presentations and such (like Geek Dinners or things similar) then it really is best to just keep a close eye on upcoming.yahoo.com for things as they pop up from time to time - you will also get a good idea of who to follow so that you can see when things are occuring as they say they are attending or watching. By all means please come to pub standards, its a hell of a lot of fun but don't expect to learn too much : - Original Message From: Nick Fitzsimons [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, 11 October, 2007 11:20:56 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] London Meetup for people interested in an informal discussion around web standards On 11 Oct 2007, at 10:58, Joseph Ortenzi wrote: Thanks Karl, but the pubstandards group appears to have withered away and died, unfortunately. at least the UK one. Erm... http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/290703/ Next pubstandards UK meetup is next Thursday :-) HTH, Nick. -- Nick Fitzsimons http://www.nickfitz.co.uk/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** ___ Want ideas for reducing your carbon footprint? Visit Yahoo! For Good http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/environment.html *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] London Meetup for people interested in an informal discussion around web standards
On 11 Oct 2007, at 12:00, Ross Bruniges wrote: For general meet-ups with presentations and such (like Geek Dinners or things similar) then it really is best to just keep a close eye on upcoming.yahoo.com for things as they pop up from time to time - you will also get a good idea of who to follow so that you can see when things are occuring as they say they are attending or watching. Just to let people know, the London Web Standards Group page on upcoming is at http://upcoming.yahoo.com/group/1610/ By all means please come to pub standards, its a hell of a lot of fun but don't expect to learn too much : And if you _do_ learn anything, don't expect to remember it the next day :-) Regards, Nick. -- Nick Fitzsimons http://www.nickfitz.co.uk/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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[WSG] Catch 22 list problem
Hi all! Short version: A. li value=3 is not allowed in strict HTML 4/XHTML 1.0, Spec says use CSS. B. I want to start at 3. C: CSS has no means to specify a start value! Pick your poison: 1. Invalid code 2. Use a transitional DOCTYPE 3. Set value with DOM-script Long version: How do we handle clear errors in the (X)HTML specs? This one seems to indicate: a. Lack of communication between (X)HTML WG and CSS WG at W3C b. Bad thinking by the (X)HTML WG (in the past - on this issue), as the starting value is content, not presentation. But regardless of whom I should blame there is a problem to solve. I would like to know which solution that you would use and why. Lars Gunther *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Catch 22 list problem
Actually, read this page instead: http://www.arraystudio.com/as-workshop/make-ol-list-start-from-number-different-than-1-using-css.html I just realised that is not in XHTML. On 11/10/2007, Svip [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try ol start=3 instead. Regards, Svip On 11/10/2007, Keryx Web [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all! Short version: A. li value=3 is not allowed in strict HTML 4/XHTML 1.0, Spec says use CSS. B. I want to start at 3. C: CSS has no means to specify a start value! Pick your poison: 1. Invalid code 2. Use a transitional DOCTYPE 3. Set value with DOM-script Long version: How do we handle clear errors in the (X)HTML specs? This one seems to indicate: a. Lack of communication between (X)HTML WG and CSS WG at W3C b. Bad thinking by the (X)HTML WG (in the past - on this issue), as the starting value is content, not presentation. But regardless of whom I should blame there is a problem to solve. I would like to know which solution that you would use and why. Lars Gunther *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Catch 22 list problem
Try ol start=3 instead. Regards, Svip On 11/10/2007, Keryx Web [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all! Short version: A. li value=3 is not allowed in strict HTML 4/XHTML 1.0, Spec says use CSS. B. I want to start at 3. C: CSS has no means to specify a start value! Pick your poison: 1. Invalid code 2. Use a transitional DOCTYPE 3. Set value with DOM-script Long version: How do we handle clear errors in the (X)HTML specs? This one seems to indicate: a. Lack of communication between (X)HTML WG and CSS WG at W3C b. Bad thinking by the (X)HTML WG (in the past - on this issue), as the starting value is content, not presentation. But regardless of whom I should blame there is a problem to solve. I would like to know which solution that you would use and why. Lars Gunther *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Catch 22 list problem
Hi Lars, A. li value=3 is not allowed in strict HTML 4/XHTML 1.0, Spec says use CSS. B. I want to start at 3. C: CSS has no means to specify a start value! But regardless of whom I should blame there is a problem to solve. I would like to know which solution that you would use and why. there do exist counters in CSS, see http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/generate.html#counters but, as you might have guessed, they are not supported by Internet Explorer. As you already observed, list counters are rather content than presentation, so either CSS or JavaScript are somewhat questionable for achieving your aim. So personally, I would either ignore the validation problem or use a customized DTD. I prepared a short example at http://lairx.de/071011/numbering-lists.html It uses an extended DTD, where the VALUE attribute for the LI element and the START attribute for the OL element have been added. Furthermore a CSS example using automatic numbering is provided. Cheers, jens -- Jens Brueckmann http://www.yalf.de *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Catch 22 list problem
I'm in the 'Invalid code' camp here. Of course it matters what your target market is too, and whether it would be an issue if the numbers just didn't show up for IE users (likely the case). To my mind, the numbers in a list are inherently content and should not be passed off to the stylesheet. Cheers, Kit *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: [WSG] Catch 22 list problem
On Oct 12, 2007, at 4:42 AM, Keryx Web wrote: A. li value=3 is not allowed in strict HTML 4/XHTML 1.0, Spec says use CSS. B. I want to start at 3. C: CSS has no means to specify a start value! Pick your poison: 1. Invalid code 2. Use a transitional DOCTYPE 3. Set value with DOM-script I'll choose: 1. Invalid code. No doubts. The start attribute also makes a come-back in html 5: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/section- lists0.html#lists0 http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/section- lists0.html#start0 iirc, there was also a discussion in the html-wg to bring the start attribute back in the errata's for html 4.01, but obviously nothing came to that, and I can't find it in the archives. List numbers are 'content', after all is said and done. Browser- makers are moving towards using CSS 'counters' to generate the list numbers as an internal mechanism, but it does not take away that those numbers are content. (and CSS counters is a very attractive mechanism to control/alter the presentation of those numbers). Philippe --- Philippe Wittenbergh http://emps.l-c-n.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
