RE: [WSG] Read my blog Online Please

2007-12-14 Thread Kekay Olvera
Hola Vinicius, I do speak, but I cannot open your link. Could you sent it again. QUIQUE From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: RE: [WSG] Read my blog Online PleaseDate: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:58:18 + My blog... si alguien habla en español, if something speak spanish... http://www

Re: [WSG] IE6 issue with a ul

2007-12-14 Thread Al Sparber
From: "Lyn Patterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 8:42 PM Subject: [WSG] IE6 issue with a ul Am having trouble with a photo gallery that is not displaying as it should in IE6. http://www.westernwebdesign.com.au/bluelightning/gallery.html It is fine in Fx, IE7 and

Re: [WSG] IE6 issue with a ul

2007-12-14 Thread Lyn Patterson
IE6 has "stacking bugs", which in your case results in a hidden ul. Adding... ul#img {position: relative;} ...will lift that container up in front - making it visible, without any negative effects across browser-land AFAICS. Thanks Georg - "stacking bugs" ? something for me to research. Th

Re: [WSG] IE6 issue with a ul

2007-12-14 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Lyn Patterson wrote: http://www.westernwebdesign.com.au/bluelightning/gallery.html It is fine in Fx, IE7 and Opera. In IE6, ul#img li is not displaying. This is the bit that supplies the background and room for a large caption. Can anyone tell me why this is so? IE6 has "stacking bugs", wh

[WSG] IE6 issue with a ul

2007-12-14 Thread Lyn Patterson
Am having trouble with a photo gallery that is not displaying as it should in IE6. http://www.westernwebdesign.com.au/bluelightning/gallery.html It is fine in Fx, IE7 and Opera. In IE6, ul#img li is not displaying. This is the bit that supplies the background and room for a large caption.

Re: [WSG] Colors for web design

2007-12-14 Thread Eric Menjivar
I have another link taged on my delicious http://www.colourlovers.com/ Theres nice web 2.0 palettes Cheers Eric On Dec 14, 2007 2:40 PM, Tony Crockford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 14 Dec 2007, at 19:50, Michael Horowitz wrote: > > > Anyone know a good online resource or book that discus

Re: [WSG] Colors for web design

2007-12-14 Thread Tony Crockford
On 14 Dec 2007, at 19:50, Michael Horowitz wrote: Anyone know a good online resource or book that discusses how to decide the best color combinations for use on the web. there's a lot of good information here: http://www.tigercolor.com/color-lab/Default.htm (see the resources section) (

Re: [WSG] Colors for web design

2007-12-14 Thread Susan Grossman
Anyone know a good online resource or book that discusses how to decide > the best color combinations for use on the web. > > -- > Michael Horowitz > > I like visuals and use sites like this for color: http://wellstyled.com/tools/colorscheme2/index-en.html -- Susan R. Grossman [EMAIL PROTECTE

Re: [WSG] Colors for web design

2007-12-14 Thread David Laakso
Michael Horowitz wrote: Anyone know a good online resource or book that discusses how to decide the best color combinations for use on the web. Most online resources about how to decide "the best color combinations" are put together by programmers and coders who know even less about colo

Re: [WSG] Colors for web design

2007-12-14 Thread Andrew Maben
On Dec 14, 2007, at 2:50 PM, Michael Horowitz wrote: ...color combinations for use on the web. These might help: http://vandelaydesign.com/blog/design/find-the-perfect-colors-for- your-website/ and of course don't forget colour blindness accessibility: http://wickline.org/ref/colorlab/ A

Re: [WSG] Colors for web design

2007-12-14 Thread Dave Woods
Hi, Principles of Beautiful Web Design is worth a read, not only for the information on colours and the theory behind is but there's also plenty of other useful design information especially for web developers who aren't from a design background. http://www.principlesofbeautifulwebdesign.com/ Th

Re: [WSG] Colors for web design

2007-12-14 Thread dwain
not trying to be cute, but go to an art supply store and buy a color wheel. a color wheel will show you primary, complementary, tertiary, etc. colors. it's a great tool for finding colors that work together. dwain On 12/14/07, Michael Horowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Anyone know a good onli

[WSG] Colors for web design

2007-12-14 Thread Michael Horowitz
Anyone know a good online resource or book that discusses how to decide the best color combinations for use on the web. -- Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 *** List Guidelin

RE: [WSG] Read my blog Online Please

2007-12-14 Thread Vinícius Vicente
Carlos, very cool your site, and me? http://www.viny.eti.br 2007/12/14, Carlos Carreo <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >: > > My blog... si alguien habla en español, if something speak spanish... > > http://www.blogcreativo.com.ar > > > -- > Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:34:31 -0300 >

Re: [WSG] Opera files antitrust against MS: standards one part

2007-12-14 Thread Al Sparber
From: "liorean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On 14/12/2007, Al Sparber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: No offense, but (imo) anyone who believes what you just wrote is extremely naive. While all web developers want standards conformance (whether they admit it or not), an industry with multiple browsers is n

Re: [WSG] css issues

2007-12-14 Thread Michael Horowitz
What confused me is that alpha-inner is defined in multiple areas. I needed to modify .layout-moblog1 #alpha-inner. Not really sure why they define alpha-inner under different areas on css. Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 Tony Crockfo

RE: [WSG] Read my blog Online Please

2007-12-14 Thread Carlos Carreo
My blog... si alguien habla en español, if something speak spanish... http://www.blogcreativo.com.ar Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:34:31 -0300From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [WSG] Read my blog Online PleaseHi,I'm new here in the group. I just wanted you visit my blog...For acess, ent

Re: [WSG] Opera files antitrust against MS: standards one part

2007-12-14 Thread liorean
On 14/12/2007, Al Sparber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No offense, but (imo) anyone who believes what you just wrote is extremely > naive. While all web developers want standards conformance (whether they > admit it or not), an industry with multiple browsers is not a healthy > industry. No 2 brows

[WSG] Conversation with Opera on Web standards

2007-12-14 Thread XStandard
Hi, We have just published a Q&A with Opera regarding their antitrust complaint against Microsoft, lodged with the European Commission. The Q&A focus on the Web standards aspect of Opera's complaint. http://xhtml.com/en/web-standards/conversation-with-opera/ Regards, -Vlad http://xhtml.com

[WSG] Read my blog Online Please

2007-12-14 Thread Vinícius Vicente
Hi, I'm new here in the group. I just wanted you visit my blog... For acess, enter: http://www.viny.eti.br Don't is virus, is a personal site. Let your feedback. Thanks, -- Vinicius V. de Oliveira Batista [EMAIL PROTECTED] Programador PHP Depto. de tecnologia

Re: [WSG] css issues

2007-12-14 Thread Tony Crockford
On 14 Dec 2007, at 18:06, Michael Horowitz wrote: Figured it out. You can ignore this question. no fair! you're supposed to tell us what it was! ;) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubs

Re: [WSG] css issues

2007-12-14 Thread Tony Crockford
On 14 Dec 2007, at 17:32, Michael Horowitz wrote: I am wondering if there is an issue in how I am redefining .module-content { margin: 5px 0 20px 0; color: #FF; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: medium; line-height: 150%;

Re: [WSG] Opera files antitrust against MS: standards one part

2007-12-14 Thread Robert O'Rourke
Jason Pruim wrote: On Dec 14, 2007, at 12:09 PM, Genesis One And One wrote: I want another OS that works like Windoze but is better than Windoze. I wish Mozilla would develop one. Their products are already consumer friendly etc. Imagine a FFOS. I would imagine M$ poor customer support and

Re: [WSG] css issues

2007-12-14 Thread Michael Horowitz
Figured it out. You can ignore this question. Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 Michael Horowitz wrote: I am wondering if there is an issue in how I am redefining .module-content { margin: 5px 0 20px 0; color: #FF; font

Re: [WSG] Opera files antitrust against MS: standards one part

2007-12-14 Thread Al Sparber
From: "David Storey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I just one to make one point about this case clear (although I'm not involved in it in any way). The complaint is manly about getting Microsoft to follow accepted web standards more closely, and isn't about money at all. I believe we (Opera) have stated

Re: [WSG] css issues

2007-12-14 Thread Michael Horowitz
I am wondering if there is an issue in how I am redefining .module-content { margin: 5px 0 20px 0; color: #FF; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: medium; line-height: 150%; text-align: left; }

Re: [WSG] Opera files antitrust against MS: standards one part

2007-12-14 Thread Matthew Cruickshank
Oh, in particular this quote from Brendan Eich, "the obvious conflict of interest between the standards-based web and proprietary platforms advanced by Microsoft, and the rationales for keeping the web's language small while the proprietary platforms rapidly evolve support for large languages, doe

Re: [WSG] Opera files antitrust against MS: standards one part

2007-12-14 Thread Jason Pruim
On Dec 14, 2007, at 12:09 PM, Genesis One And One wrote: I want another OS that works like Windoze but is better than Windoze. I wish Mozilla would develop one. Their products are already consumer friendly etc. Imagine a FFOS. I would imagine M$ poor customer support and glitchy software

Re: [WSG] Opera files antitrust against MS: standards one part

2007-12-14 Thread Michael Horowitz
You mean the way Dell and other PC makers bundle PC repair when they sell computers. I get calls from people who have contracts with Dell for free PC repair. I get the business when they call Dell support and they can't help them, tell them to reinstall the OS or send it back to Dell and the

Re: [WSG] Opera files antitrust against MS: standards one part

2007-12-14 Thread Michael Horowitz
So buy advertising. Do you really think government officials are so tech savvy that they can make this type of decision. Are you generally that impressed by the government officials you work with. Yes consumers need to be educated. I typically install firefox on any customer I work with, if

Re: [WSG] Opera files antitrust against MS: standards one part

2007-12-14 Thread Genesis One And One
Michael Horowitz wrote: The makers of opera are also free to write their own operating system, include opera in it and sell it to PC makers. Michael Horowitz I couldn't agree more. M$ OS allows you to run almost anything on it's platform. The problem is NOBODY has another platform even

Re: [WSG] Opera files antitrust against MS: standards one part

2007-12-14 Thread Felix Miata
On 2007/12/14 09:42 (GMT-0500) Michael Horowitz apparently typed: > A monopoly is when government gives someone the ability to legally ban > competitors. You've provided a rough definition of a legal monopoly. An entity convicted of the felony of monopolistic predation as M$ has been falls into

Re: [WSG] Opera files antitrust against MS: standards one part

2007-12-14 Thread David Dorward
On 14 Dec 2007, at 14:42, Michael Horowitz wrote: A monopoly is when government gives someone the ability to legally ban competitors. That is a specific type of monopoly (a government-granted monopoly). Other types of monopoly exist. It's not difficult to go to http://www.opera.com/downl

RE: [WSG] Opera files antitrust against MS: standards one part

2007-12-14 Thread michael.brockington
I presume it is okay with you then if MS starts up their own PC Support business? Sorry 'Computer Consultancy'? Assuming it is, do you mind if they then advertise it heavily, force users to sign up to it before they can use Windows, undercut other operators, etc. etc.? It is precisely because Gov

Re: [WSG] Opera files antitrust against MS: standards one part

2007-12-14 Thread Michael Horowitz
That is correct people go into business to make money. They do so by willing sellers selling to willing buyers and a price they willingly agree to. Why do people by certain products, because they decided that product resolves their real world need. The baker doesn't bake bread so you can eat

Re: [WSG] Opera files antitrust against MS: standards one part

2007-12-14 Thread Michael Horowitz
A monopoly is when government gives someone the ability to legally ban competitors. It's not difficult to go to http://www.opera.com/download/ and get the opera browser. If consumers choose not to do this I don't see a role for government. The makers of opera are also free to write their ow

Re: [WSG] Opera files antitrust against MS: standards one part

2007-12-14 Thread Gaspar
I just gonna say a few words... I dont know and i dont care about laws, one thing iam sure if microsoft could they just erase all other companys and all goes by theres rules, i believe all companys do that. The problem is that microsfot dont care about theirs users, dont care if they could can us

Re: [WSG] Opera files antitrust against MS: standards one part

2007-12-14 Thread Felix Miata
On 2007/12/14 08:19 (GMT-0500) Michael Horowitz apparently typed: > I can't see why government should be enforcing standards. Shouldn't > that be a decision of private companies, developers and users not > government? In the absence of dominating monopoly, sure. -- " Our Constitution was ma

Re: [WSG] Opera files antitrust against MS: standards one part

2007-12-14 Thread Michael Horowitz
I can't see why government should be enforcing standards. Shouldn't that be a decision of private companies, developers and users not government? Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 Al Sparber wrote: From: "Michael Horowitz" <[EMAIL PROT

Re: [WSG] css issues

2007-12-14 Thread Michael Horowitz
Just a note I am having to modify the existing css by redefining the established elements. I do see they use the alpha-inner name multiple times to define inner areas of different divs Here is how I see the xhtml

RE: [WSG] Opera files antitrust against MS: standards one part

2007-12-14 Thread michael.brockington
John Faulds wrote: > I can't see that flying. Is anyone going to ask Apple to stop shipping > their OS with Safari? It may no longer be the case, (since there is no supported version available) but Apple DID include Internet Explorer on all Apple Mac's, even when Safari became available. What's m

Re: [WSG] Opera files antitrust against MS: standards one part

2007-12-14 Thread Matthew Cruickshank
On Dec 14, 2007 8:41 PM, Chris Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Why was Silverlight included? > As far as I am aware it's a plug-in much like Flash, > so why would it be hindering the open web? Of course I don't know why Opera has included Silverlight, but to speculate... It might be because o

RE: [WSG] Opera files antitrust against MS: standards one part

2007-12-14 Thread Chris Taylor
While I think the Opera complaint has firm ground to stand on, there's one thing in David's announcement to this group I'm unsure about. > We think these actions are essential for the > evolution of web standards and the open web, > which Microsoft is hindering due to it's dominant > market share

Re: [WSG] Opera files antitrust against MS: standards one part

2007-12-14 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Al Sparber wrote: From: "Michael Horowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Personally I'm looking forward to buying computers with virtually nothing pre installed. I always end up deleting most of it anyway. Alot of people start off by reinstalling the OS to get rid of all the junk the PC manufacturers p

Re: [WSG] Opera files antitrust against MS: standards one part

2007-12-14 Thread David Storey
I just one to make one point about this case clear (although I'm not involved in it in any way). The complaint is manly about getting Microsoft to follow accepted web standards more closely, and isn't about money at all. I believe we (Opera) have stated that we don't want to earn any mone

Re: [WSG] css issues

2007-12-14 Thread Justas Butkus
Hello, Sorry to all for unnecessary message about spaces between menu items. ;) Talking about this problem: it appears to me, that problem is with element, which id is "alpha-inner". You have defined padding for it, and it suppresses your menu items. Maybe you should try not to define padding f

Re: [WSG] spaces between list items

2007-12-14 Thread Justas Butkus
Border on link () element?.. Michael Horowitz rašė: Any ideas why I end up with a space between list items here http://theatomicconservative.typepad.com/ The code doesn't appear to add it in href="http://sayfiereview.com/";>The Sayfie Review http://www.freerepublic.com/home.htm";>Free Repub