Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...

[kate]

Works great for my needs,

I can use Google's Gmail to delete and send mail at home..I like it!
Kate
  - Original Message - 
  From: Anton Babushkin 
  To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 1:50 AM
  Subject: Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...


  Google Chrome wasn't working for me in the office either, but I think its all 
due to the firewall and proxy that we have setup here. It couldn't seem to 
negotiate between the proxy and the installer. I just hooked it up to an 
outside ADSL connection (my work PC that is), and typing this Email through 
Chrome right now :)


  Its a brilliant browser, a true innovation to the way we use the web. Too bad 
Java and Shockwave don't work on it yet.


  On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 11:43 AM, Blake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Indeed. We have some very clunky sites and they loaded almost
instantly. I couldn't believe the rendering speed.

However Gmail won't load on any computers with Chrome on at work (in
fact, I can't sign in to any google services). Is this problem
affecting everyone or is it just our network? If it's affecting
everyone that's pretty massive fail for Google.

(e-mail sent from Gmail in Firefox!!)

On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 10:15 AM, Jeffery Lowder
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I know, I tired it on a couple of the more intensive ajax dependent pages 
I've been working on and it puts FF to shame.
> If people realize how much faster they can surf the web - this thing is 
going to take off big time.


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Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon... [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

[Rae Buerckner]

If they don't have that functionality built in to chrome yet, they certainly
have written themselves a license to built that in whenever they want to.

R

On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 3:07 PM, Blake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Question: does Chrome actually record your browsing and send that
> information back to Google or are people just freaking over nothing?
>
> On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Andrew Boyd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Tee,
> >
> > my take on the legal stuff as it may apply to bloggers and other web
> content
> > providers:
> >
> http://onblogging.com.au/2008/09/03/does-google-own-my-blog-if-i-post-through-chrome
> >
> > Cheers, Andrew
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Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon... [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

[Blake]

Seems about par for the course.

On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 3:14 PM, Anton Babushkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> people are just freaking over nothing.


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Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon... [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

[Anton Babushkin]

people are just freaking over nothing.

On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 4:07 PM, Blake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Question: does Chrome actually record your browsing and send that
> information back to Google or are people just freaking over nothing?
>
> On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Andrew Boyd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Tee,
> >
> > my take on the legal stuff as it may apply to bloggers and other web
> content
> > providers:
> >
> http://onblogging.com.au/2008/09/03/does-google-own-my-blog-if-i-post-through-chrome
> >
> > Cheers, Andrew
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Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon... [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

[Blake]

Question: does Chrome actually record your browsing and send that
information back to Google or are people just freaking over nothing?

On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Andrew Boyd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Tee,
>
> my take on the legal stuff as it may apply to bloggers and other web content
> providers:
> http://onblogging.com.au/2008/09/03/does-google-own-my-blog-if-i-post-through-chrome
>
> Cheers, Andrew


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Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon... [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

[Andrew Boyd]

Tee,

my take on the legal stuff as it may apply to bloggers and other web content
providers:
http://onblogging.com.au/2008/09/03/does-google-own-my-blog-if-i-post-through-chrome

Cheers, Andrew

On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 1:39 PM, tee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> On Sep 2, 2008, at 8:26 PM, Rae Buerckner wrote:
>
> You might want to read this and think about uninstalling it ;)
> http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/does_google_have_rights_to_all.php
>
>
> Just my 2 cents who had hired two lawyers to draft out
> policy/copyrights/contact  for my business.
>
> The first one basically copied and pasted one of his client's policy to
> mine and forgotten to replace the company's name to min
>
> The second that I recently hired, did something similar.
>
> They charged 3 times more than I charge my clients.  It finally hits me
> that I must work hard on my English and learn to write the contact myself.
>
> Maybe google had a lawyer like the two I encountered? :-)
>
> tee
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Re: [WSG] resent- Google chrome... Coming very soon... [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

[Rae Buerckner]

The list server is duplicating posts!

You might want to read it all before you decide it may be a mistake, doesn't
read like a mistake to me!

R

On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 1:44 PM, tee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
>
> On Sep 2, 2008, at 8:26 PM, Rae Buerckner wrote:
>
> You might want to read this and think about uninstalling it ;)
> http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/does_google_have_rights_to_all.php
>
>
> Just my 2 cents who had hired two lawyers to draft out
> policy/copyrights/contact  for my business.
>
> The first one basically copied and pasted one of his client's policy to
> mine and forgotten to replace the company's name to mine.
>
> The second laywer whom I recently hired, did something similar.
>
> They charged 3 times more than I charge my clients.  It finally hits me
> that I must work hard on improving my English and learn to write the
> contract myself.
>
> Maybe google has a lawyer like the two I hired? :-)
>
> tee
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Re: [WSG] resent- Google chrome... Coming very soon... [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

[tee]

On Sep 2, 2008, at 8:26 PM, Rae Buerckner wrote:

You might want to read this and think about uninstalling it ;) 
http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/does_google_have_rights_to_all.php


Just my 2 cents who had hired two lawyers to draft out policy/ 
copyrights/contact  for my business.


The first one basically copied and pasted one of his client's policy  
to mine and forgotten to replace the company's name to mine.


The second laywer whom I recently hired, did something similar.

They charged 3 times more than I charge my clients.  It finally hits  
me that I must work hard on improving my English and learn to write  
the contract myself.


Maybe google has a lawyer like the two I hired? :-)

tee

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Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon... [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

[tee]

On Sep 2, 2008, at 8:26 PM, Rae Buerckner wrote:


You might want to read this and think about uninstalling it ;) 
http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/does_google_have_rights_to_all.php


Just my 2 cents who had hired two lawyers to draft out policy/ 
copyrights/contact  for my business.


The first one basically copied and pasted one of his client's policy  
to mine and forgotten to replace the company's name to min


The second that I recently hired, did something similar.

They charged 3 times more than I charge my clients.  It finally hits  
me that I must work hard on my English and learn to write the contact  
myself.


Maybe google had a lawyer like the two I encountered? :-)

tee

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Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon... [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

[Rae Buerckner]

You might want to read this and think about uninstalling it ;)
http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/does_google_have_rights_to_all.php

R

On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 10:08 AM, Thomler, Craig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> I thought it was about the same speed as Firefox 3, though memory usage
> is much improved and the multi-threading has improved the speed of web
> apps running in multiple windows.
>
> Of course they could bite the bullet and make it red - then it would be
> faster...
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>
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> On Behalf Of Michael Horowitz
> Sent: Wednesday, 3 September 2008 10:02
> To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
> Subject: Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...
>
> Just tried it.  It is fast.
>
> Michael Horowitz
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>
>
>
> Bill Brown wrote:
> > tee wrote:
> >>> Google chrome is available for windows download !
> >>> http://www.google.com/chrome
> >> It has no Mac version!  :(
> >
> > Nor Unix.
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Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...

[James Ellis]

You can grab the source from : http://code.google.com/chromium/ & 
http://dev.chromium.org/Home and  try to build it if you want ..

According to the site, it won't (yet) build fully on Mac or Linux 
(http://dev.chromium.org/developers/how-tos/build-instructions-linux) but I'm 
sure it'll happen soon with enough contributions.

Cheers
J

On Wednesday 03 September 2008 07:47:10 Bill Brown wrote:
> tee wrote:
> >> Google chrome is available for windows download !
> >> http://www.google.com/chrome
> >
> > It has no Mac version!  :(
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Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...

[Blake]

Oh, the browser works fine. I can access everything except google
services which require me to login. It just attempts to redirect to
their authentication page and kind of... stops. Loads for a while then
nothing, just a blank white page.

Again, only Google services, so kind of epic fail.

On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 10:50 AM, Anton Babushkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Google Chrome wasn't working for me in the office either, but I think its
> all due to the firewall and proxy that we have setup here. It couldn't seem
> to negotiate between the proxy and the installer. I just hooked it up to an
> outside ADSL connection (my work PC that is), and typing this Email through
> Chrome right now :)


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Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...

[Ben Buchanan]

However Gmail won't load on any computers with Chrome on at work (in
>
fact, I can't sign in to any google services). Is this problem
>
affecting everyone or is it just our network? If it's affecting
>
everyone that's pretty massive fail for Google.
>
We had that problem here but it turned out to be a proxy issue.
Interestingly though it turns out that Chrome loads and edits the connection
settings from IE, instead of having its own settings.

It's truly Frankenstein's Browser: bits of Safari, Firefox and IE stitched
together into a new creature ;)

Did everyone get a laugh out of "about:internets" in Chrome? :)

cheers,

Ben

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Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...

[Jeffery Lowder]

working fine my end.



On 03/09/2008, at 10:43 AM, Blake wrote:


Indeed. We have some very clunky sites and they loaded almost
instantly. I couldn't believe the rendering speed.

However Gmail won't load on any computers with Chrome on at work (in
fact, I can't sign in to any google services). Is this problem
affecting everyone or is it just our network? If it's affecting
everyone that's pretty massive fail for Google.

(e-mail sent from Gmail in Firefox!!)

On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 10:15 AM, Jeffery Lowder
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I know, I tired it on a couple of the more intensive ajax dependent  
pages I've been working on and it puts FF to shame.
If people realize how much faster they can surf the web - this  
thing is going to take off big time.



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Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...

[Anton Babushkin]

Google Chrome wasn't working for me in the office either, but I think its
all due to the firewall and proxy that we have setup here. It couldn't seem
to negotiate between the proxy and the installer. I just hooked it up to an
outside ADSL connection (my work PC that is), and typing this Email through
Chrome right now :)
Its a brilliant browser, a true innovation to the way we use the web. Too
bad Java and Shockwave don't work on it yet.

On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 11:43 AM, Blake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Indeed. We have some very clunky sites and they loaded almost
> instantly. I couldn't believe the rendering speed.
>
> However Gmail won't load on any computers with Chrome on at work (in
> fact, I can't sign in to any google services). Is this problem
> affecting everyone or is it just our network? If it's affecting
> everyone that's pretty massive fail for Google.
>
> (e-mail sent from Gmail in Firefox!!)
>
> On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 10:15 AM, Jeffery Lowder
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > I know, I tired it on a couple of the more intensive ajax dependent pages
> I've been working on and it puts FF to shame.
> > If people realize how much faster they can surf the web - this thing is
> going to take off big time.
>
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Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...

[Blake]

Indeed. We have some very clunky sites and they loaded almost
instantly. I couldn't believe the rendering speed.

However Gmail won't load on any computers with Chrome on at work (in
fact, I can't sign in to any google services). Is this problem
affecting everyone or is it just our network? If it's affecting
everyone that's pretty massive fail for Google.

(e-mail sent from Gmail in Firefox!!)

On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 10:15 AM, Jeffery Lowder
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I know, I tired it on a couple of the more intensive ajax dependent pages 
> I've been working on and it puts FF to shame.
> If people realize how much faster they can surf the web - this thing is going 
> to take off big time.


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Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...

[Jeffery Lowder]

I know, I tired it on a couple of the more intensive ajax dependent  
pages I've been working on and it puts FF to shame.
If people realize how much faster they can surf the web - this thing  
is going to take off big time.




On 03/09/2008, at 10:01 AM, Michael Horowitz wrote:


Just tried it.  It is fast.

Michael Horowitz
Your Computer Consultant
http://yourcomputerconsultant.com
561-394-9079



Bill Brown wrote:

tee wrote:

Google chrome is available for windows download !
http://www.google.com/chrome

It has no Mac version!  :(


Nor Unix.




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[Thomler, Craig]

I thought it was about the same speed as Firefox 3, though memory usage
is much improved and the multi-threading has improved the speed of web
apps running in multiple windows.

Of course they could bite the bullet and make it red - then it would be
faster...




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Just tried it.  It is fast.

Michael Horowitz
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561-394-9079



Bill Brown wrote:
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>>> Google chrome is available for windows download !
>>> http://www.google.com/chrome
>> It has no Mac version!  :(
>
> Nor Unix.
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[Michael Horowitz]

Just tried it.  It is fast.

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Bill Brown wrote:

tee wrote:

Google chrome is available for windows download !
http://www.google.com/chrome

It has no Mac version!  :(


Nor Unix.




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RE: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...

[Essential eBiz Solutions Ltd]

Just downloaded it. Seems that yet another blue chip is using a browsing
phishing tool, this time it was to rely specific download instructions

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Heh. Looks like somebody at Google is a big fan of "Understanding Comics
By Scott McCloud". This is nice though.

Regards,
Spell

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There is an interesting and very humorous comic that describes Chrome:



http://books.google.com/books?id=8UsqHohwwVYC&printsec=frontcover#PPA19,
M1



I like the multi-threading.





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RE: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...

[Spellacy, Michael]

Heh. Looks like somebody at Google is a big fan of "Understanding Comics
By Scott McCloud". This is nice though.

Regards,
Spell

Michael Spellacy
Senior User Interface Developer
TMP Worldwide Advertising & Communications, LLC
205 Hudson Street, 5th Floor
New York, NY 10013

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Subject: RE: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...

There is an interesting and very humorous comic that describes Chrome:



http://books.google.com/books?id=8UsqHohwwVYC&printsec=frontcover#PPA19,
M1



I like the multi-threading.





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RE: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...

[Paul Bennett]

Hi Tee,

According to product info, it's been in private beta for a while.
This is the first public beta (well, to 100 or so countries anyway)

Rest assured a Mac (& *Nix ?) version will follow soon :)

Paul


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RE: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...

[Paul Bennett]

Unless you're behind a firewall which requires proxy auth. In this case, you'll 
need to wait until tonight :(

http://thingsilearn.wordpress.com/2008/03/05/attention-software-developers-dont-make-assumptions-about-my-internet-connection/



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Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...

[Scott Elcomb]

On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 5:41 PM, tee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Sep 2, 2008, at 2:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>>
>> Google chrome is available for windows download !
>>
>> http://www.google.com/chrome
>>
> It has no Mac version!  :(

Nor Linux!  (But they're coming... eventually.)
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Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...

[Anthony]

That was heavily talked about accross most topics already.

Regards,
Anthony.

Sent from my iPhone!

On 03/09/2008, at 7:41 AM, tee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



On Sep 2, 2008, at 2:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Google chrome is available for windows download !

http://www.google.com/chrome


It has no Mac version!  :(

tee


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Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...

[Bill Brown]

tee wrote:

Google chrome is available for windows download !
http://www.google.com/chrome

It has no Mac version!  :(


Nor Unix.

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Re: [WSG] Facebook downgrading support for IE6

[dstorey]

Quoting russ - maxdesign <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


Most schools around here don't even allow win2k on their network anymore.


An interesting discussion.

Agree that Facebook is an application and not a website - and an absolutely
huge and complex one.


From what I can see, Facebook is doing the right thing...  offering full

support for latest browsers and some support (access to content and key
functions) for older browsers. - along with information about why upgrades
and where to upgrade.

Of more concern is the discussion about simply blocking versions of a
browser (which is nor what Facebook is doing from what I can tell). This is
not a good idea!

Ideally, we should aim to provide support to as many devices as we can -
whether we are building an application or a website. For many reasons:

1. business - can we afford to cut off 10%, 17%, 25% of our audience? While
this number will continue to drop - the number is still high.

2. moral/accessibility - many people who use assistive devices such as JAWS
run on IE6 still due to inability, lack of knowledge of how to upgrade etc.
Do we really want to cut these people off entirely?

The rules are completely different for intranets and closed environments,
but on the web (site or app) we should aim to support everyone - and where
needed, provide a lesser but acceptable experience.


I agree 100% Russ.  As a browser vendor we gain to benefit from IE6  
being blocked (well except many of these scripts will also block Opera  
< 9), as it will push users to download new browsers (if your site is  
important enough), but I, and our company as a whole are wholesale  
against such browser sniffing practices to block browsers, even if  
they are capable to render the page. If old browsers are causing too  
much headache during development time, then I'd recommend the YUI  
approach of giving th content but not the advanced behaviours or  
styles.  That way the content is still accessible to your (potential)  
users/customers.




2cents
Russ




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Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...

[Anthony]

Can't wait to get into the office!!!

Regards,
Anthony.

Sent from my iPhone!

On 03/09/2008, at 7:32 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Google chrome is available for windows download !

http://www.google.com/chrome



On Tue  2/09/08 10:18 PM , tee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On Sep 2, 2008, at 5:24 AM, James Ellis wrote:

Interesting to read the many comments on this. It's utilising

Webkit

as a rendering engine (also behind Safari and Konquerer 4), which

is

BSD and LGPL licensed. In turn Google say they are licensing

Chrome

as Open Source, meaning depending on the actual license, items

like

V8 (http://blogoscoped.com/google-chrome/17) & other bits

(http://blogoscoped.com/google-chrome/38

) can be utilised in other browsers.
Interesting times and certainly more compelling and

forward-thinking

than "Compatibility View" ...
Cheers
James


I really like to see that it magically repairs IE6 broken web, so
that
we can forever moving forward and it helps save IE team from
implementing compatibility view in IE8. Hack!, they might just start

thinking why do we wasting our time on IE8. Rumor has circling in
Technorati, MSN, Diggit that the head of IE team was sending his
resumé to google inc.
As for google, it will win over all big corp that use IE6 for their

intranets. Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer has finally  realized the
company has lost the web, and hence stopping all attempts trying to

take over Yahoo. Bill Gates steps in, fires his CEO, gathers a group

of talents from outer-space working on a project calls webXsPace,
and
release a press release, claiming: We will prevail, right here from

where we have fallen down!.
15 yeas later, a new web technology emerges that will use no
broadband, no 3G wireless and no monitor but  a pair of optical
glass
or contact lens (good for me as I already wear ones)
As for google, the company has moved its HQ to Mars since 2015.
Oh! I can't wait to download the Chrome.
tee
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Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...

[tee]

On Sep 2, 2008, at 2:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Google chrome is available for windows download !

http://www.google.com/chrome


It has no Mac version!  :(

tee


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Re: [WSG] Facebook downgrading support for IE6

[Anthony]

This may be acceptable for facebook if thier statistics indicate a low  
amount of IE6 users, however I think this is hardly acceptable for a  
majority of my audience, which includes many proffesionals who still  
run IE6 so they can use company intranets, etc.


I would love nothing more than to not have to worry about IE6 however  
I think that day will be a very long day coming.


Regards,
Anthony.

Sent from my iPhone!

On 03/09/2008, at 7:05 AM, russ - maxdesign <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:


Most schools around here don't even allow win2k on their network  
anymore.


An interesting discussion.

Agree that Facebook is an application and not a website - and an  
absolutely

huge and complex one.

From what I can see, Facebook is doing the right thing...  offering  
full
support for latest browsers and some support (access to content and  
key
functions) for older browsers. - along with information about why  
upgrades

and where to upgrade.

Of more concern is the discussion about simply blocking versions of a
browser (which is nor what Facebook is doing from what I can tell).  
This is

not a good idea!

Ideally, we should aim to provide support to as many devices as we  
can -

whether we are building an application or a website. For many reasons:

1. business - can we afford to cut off 10%, 17%, 25% of our  
audience? While

this number will continue to drop - the number is still high.

2. moral/accessibility - many people who use assistive devices such  
as JAWS
run on IE6 still due to inability, lack of knowledge of how to  
upgrade etc.

Do we really want to cut these people off entirely?

The rules are completely different for intranets and closed  
environments,
but on the web (site or app) we should aim to support everyone - and  
where

needed, provide a lesser but acceptable experience.

2cents
Russ




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Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...

[shaun]

 
Google chrome is available for windows download !

http://www.google.com/chrome



On Tue  2/09/08 10:18 PM , tee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sep 2, 2008, at 5:24 AM, James Ellis wrote:
> > Interesting to read the many comments on this. It's utilising
> Webkit  
> > as a rendering engine (also behind Safari and Konquerer 4), which
> is  
> > BSD and LGPL licensed. In turn Google say they are licensing
> Chrome  
> > as Open Source, meaning depending on the actual license, items
> like  
> > V8 (http://blogoscoped.com/google-chrome/17) & other bits
> (http://blogoscoped.com/google-chrome/38 
> > ) can be utilised in other browsers.
> > Interesting times and certainly more compelling and
> forward-thinking  
> > than "Compatibility View" ...
> > Cheers
> > James
> >
> I really like to see that it magically repairs IE6 broken web, so
> that  
> we can forever moving forward and it helps save IE team from  
> implementing compatibility view in IE8. Hack!, they might just start
> 
> thinking why do we wasting our time on IE8. Rumor has circling in  
> Technorati, MSN, Diggit that the head of IE team was sending his  
> resumé to google inc.
> As for google, it will win over all big corp that use IE6 for their 
> 
> intranets. Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer has finally  realized the  
> company has lost the web, and hence stopping all attempts trying to 
> 
> take over Yahoo. Bill Gates steps in, fires his CEO, gathers a group
> 
> of talents from outer-space working on a project calls webXsPace,
> and  
> release a press release, claiming: We will prevail, right here from 
> 
> where we have fallen down!.
> 15 yeas later, a new web technology emerges that will use no  
> broadband, no 3G wireless and no monitor but  a pair of optical
> glass  
> or contact lens (good for me as I already wear ones)
> As for google, the company has moved its HQ to Mars since 2015.
> Oh! I can't wait to download the Chrome.
> tee
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Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...

[tee]

On Sep 2, 2008, at 5:24 AM, James Ellis wrote:

Interesting to read the many comments on this. It's utilising Webkit  
as a rendering engine (also behind Safari and Konquerer 4), which is  
BSD and LGPL licensed. In turn Google say they are licensing Chrome  
as Open Source, meaning depending on the actual license, items like  
V8 (http://blogoscoped.com/google-chrome/17) & other bits (http://blogoscoped.com/google-chrome/38 
) can be utilised in other browsers.
Interesting times and certainly more compelling and forward-thinking  
than "Compatibility View" ...

Cheers
James

I really like to see that it magically repairs IE6 broken web, so that  
we can forever moving forward and it helps save IE team from  
implementing compatibility view in IE8. Hack!, they might just start  
thinking why do we wasting our time on IE8. Rumor has circling in  
Technorati, MSN, Diggit that the head of IE team was sending his  
resumé to google inc.


As for google, it will win over all big corp that use IE6 for their  
intranets. Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer has finally  realized the  
company has lost the web, and hence stopping all attempts trying to  
take over Yahoo. Bill Gates steps in, fires his CEO, gathers a group  
of talents from outer-space working on a project calls webXsPace, and  
release a press release, claiming: We will prevail, right here from  
where we have fallen down!.


15 yeas later, a new web technology emerges that will use no  
broadband, no 3G wireless and no monitor but  a pair of optical glass  
or contact lens (good for me as I already wear ones)


As for google, the company has moved its HQ to Mars since 2015.

Oh! I can't wait to download the Chrome.
tee

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Re: [WSG] Facebook downgrading support for IE6

[russ - maxdesign]

> Most schools around here don't even allow win2k on their network anymore.

An interesting discussion.

Agree that Facebook is an application and not a website - and an absolutely
huge and complex one.

>From what I can see, Facebook is doing the right thing...  offering full
support for latest browsers and some support (access to content and key
functions) for older browsers. - along with information about why upgrades
and where to upgrade.

Of more concern is the discussion about simply blocking versions of a
browser (which is nor what Facebook is doing from what I can tell). This is
not a good idea!

Ideally, we should aim to provide support to as many devices as we can -
whether we are building an application or a website. For many reasons:

1. business - can we afford to cut off 10%, 17%, 25% of our audience? While
this number will continue to drop - the number is still high.

2. moral/accessibility - many people who use assistive devices such as JAWS
run on IE6 still due to inability, lack of knowledge of how to upgrade etc.
Do we really want to cut these people off entirely?

The rules are completely different for intranets and closed environments,
but on the web (site or app) we should aim to support everyone - and where
needed, provide a lesser but acceptable experience.

2cents
Russ




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Re: [WSG] Facebook downgrading support for IE6

[Brian Cummiskey]

Christian Snodgrass wrote:
Yet another thing that is Facebook specific that I just thought about. 
I may be overstating this, since I have no actual statistics to back 
it up, but I'd wager that a very large part of Facebook's population 
is from the more tech-savvy  generations, so their usage statistics of 
IE6 may be far lower than your average website. Additionally, since a 
large portion of there population is (was?) college students who 
generally reside on-campus, they are likely to have more up-to-date 
systems because nearly all colleges require that you stay current with 
Windows updates to access their network (meaning use the internet, not 
necessarily access an intranet), so a lot of the users already have 
IE6 or greater. 

Yup,

Most schools around here don't even allow win2k on their network anymore.

xp and vista only.


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Re: [WSG] Facebook downgrading support for IE6

[Christian Snodgrass]

Yet another thing that is Facebook specific that I just thought about. I 
may be overstating this, since I have no actual statistics to back it 
up, but I'd wager that a very large part of Facebook's population is 
from the more tech-savvy  generations, so their usage statistics of IE6 
may be far lower than your average website. Additionally, since a large 
portion of there population is (was?) college students who generally 
reside on-campus, they are likely to have more up-to-date systems 
because nearly all colleges require that you stay current with Windows 
updates to access their network (meaning use the internet, not 
necessarily access an intranet), so a lot of the users already have IE6 
or greater.


Not saying I completely agree with this approach, but at the same time 
it is highly unreasonable for a web "system" like Facebook to be able to 
individually provide fall backs and fail-safes for IE6.


In addition, I think it is actually about time that we as web developers 
began pushing for users to upgrade. Simple non-invasive messages on the 
top of our website for those that are using outdated browsers are simple 
to implement, easily ignored by those that want to, and are helpful for 
those that aren't as tech-savvy. Many people that are using IE6 don't 
realize they are using an outdated version. I'd wager to bet that 99% of 
those still using IE6 couldn't tell you the browser version they are 
using because they aren't acclimated enough to know that there are 
different versions of Internet Explorer. Most of these users are those 
stereotypical users that think "Internet Explorer = The Internet". (The 
other 1% are just crazy)


Christian Montoya wrote:

On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 2:51 PM, Jens Brueckmann
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

2008/9/2 Gregorio Espadas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


I like the IE6Blocker from Chris Coyier, check it out at
http://css-tricks.com/ie-6-blocker-script/
  

ONLY if a web application absolutely relies on certain javascript
methods not available in old browsers may a user be warned about
difficulties in using this application. In these cases, detection
should be done by testing said methods, not by user agent sniffing.




Leave it to WSG to assume that Facebook.com is just another website.

Log into Facebook and profile your session with Firebug or a similar
Javascript tool. What you will soon find is that Facebook is one of
the most complex web applications out there today. It has a huge
number of AJAX & animation events throughout the many sections, as
well as a live chat feature similar to the one in Gmail. Just to give
you an example, Facebook has a continuously running "presence" monitor
that sends information via AJAX to the backend even as the logged-in
user is idle, to track and identify how users interact with the site.
One of the uses for this is to tell other users, with certainty, if
you are currently online.

Facebook has had a warning message on their homepage for a long time;
I remember seeing it at the beginning of this year. It's a way of
letting users know that some features of the site are bound to be
hindered because IE 6 is so outdated. I think this message went up
around the time that Facebook chat was released (April 2008), this is
why:

http://www.theangryhedgehog.com/2008/04/facebook-chat-and-ie-6.html

Currently, Facebook has a redesign of their site which is opt-in until
the testing period is over, which does not work with IE 6. It is well
understood that the new version features a lot more Javascript & AJAX
than the current design, and therefore, will take a while to make
compatible with IE 6, if at all. Facebook has not finished the opt-in,
testing period for their new design, so it is not correct to say that
they are downgrading support for IE 6. We can only say that if those
users are still blocked when the new design is actually released to
all users (which is scheduled to happen soon).

We might not agree with the way Facebook sniffs the user's browser,
but the point I am trying to make is that Facebook is far more a web
app than many people on this list may have ever known, and it
certainly does have different requirements than our blogs and
public-facing brochure sites. Also, since Facebook hasn't actually
finished their latest redesign, there is still a chance that they will
support IE 6 in the end; but I doubt it.

Last link:
http://siteanalytics.compete.com/google.com+myspace.com+facebook.com/?metric=uv

  



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Re: [WSG] Facebook downgrading support for IE6

[Christian Montoya]

On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 2:51 PM, Jens Brueckmann
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 2008/9/2 Gregorio Espadas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> I like the IE6Blocker from Chris Coyier, check it out at
>> http://css-tricks.com/ie-6-blocker-script/
>
> ONLY if a web application absolutely relies on certain javascript
> methods not available in old browsers may a user be warned about
> difficulties in using this application. In these cases, detection
> should be done by testing said methods, not by user agent sniffing.
>

Leave it to WSG to assume that Facebook.com is just another website.

Log into Facebook and profile your session with Firebug or a similar
Javascript tool. What you will soon find is that Facebook is one of
the most complex web applications out there today. It has a huge
number of AJAX & animation events throughout the many sections, as
well as a live chat feature similar to the one in Gmail. Just to give
you an example, Facebook has a continuously running "presence" monitor
that sends information via AJAX to the backend even as the logged-in
user is idle, to track and identify how users interact with the site.
One of the uses for this is to tell other users, with certainty, if
you are currently online.

Facebook has had a warning message on their homepage for a long time;
I remember seeing it at the beginning of this year. It's a way of
letting users know that some features of the site are bound to be
hindered because IE 6 is so outdated. I think this message went up
around the time that Facebook chat was released (April 2008), this is
why:

http://www.theangryhedgehog.com/2008/04/facebook-chat-and-ie-6.html

Currently, Facebook has a redesign of their site which is opt-in until
the testing period is over, which does not work with IE 6. It is well
understood that the new version features a lot more Javascript & AJAX
than the current design, and therefore, will take a while to make
compatible with IE 6, if at all. Facebook has not finished the opt-in,
testing period for their new design, so it is not correct to say that
they are downgrading support for IE 6. We can only say that if those
users are still blocked when the new design is actually released to
all users (which is scheduled to happen soon).

We might not agree with the way Facebook sniffs the user's browser,
but the point I am trying to make is that Facebook is far more a web
app than many people on this list may have ever known, and it
certainly does have different requirements than our blogs and
public-facing brochure sites. Also, since Facebook hasn't actually
finished their latest redesign, there is still a chance that they will
support IE 6 in the end; but I doubt it.

Last link:
http://siteanalytics.compete.com/google.com+myspace.com+facebook.com/?metric=uv

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christianmontoya.net


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RE: [WSG] Facebook downgrading support for IE6

[Conyers, Dwayne]

Also Spracht Jens Brueckmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]

> In my opinion this is worst practice.
>
> First priority should be for a website
> to make the content available to as
> many people as possible.  Browser
> discrimination is at least as bad as
> accessibility and usability violations.


I remember back when the first IE releases came out and Netscape was the 
dominant browser that many sites intentionally shut out IE users and put up a 
"Netscape Only" splash screen.

There were a number of sites that I wanted to visit that had this provision... 
and I was forced to buy Netscape.  Granted... that isn't the case now with just 
about every available browser being free.  However, the spirit is the same and 
only hurts "innocent" users.



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Re: [WSG] Facebook downgrading support for IE6

[Christian Snodgrass]

I agree that it's not a good idea to flat out block someone from 
browsing your website with a certain browser. That reminds me of way 
back when during the IE/Netscape wars where half the pages you would go 
to had a block for one or the other.


I think a better idea if you want to drop IE6 support is to simply make 
your website how your would for the other browsers. Than, you could 
check it in IE6 and fix any major glitches, but don't worry about the 
minor details (or not, if you really wanted to flat out drop it). Then, 
use scripting to determine the browser, and if it is IE6 or lower, put a 
small banner at the top of your page saying "You should upgrade your 
browser, or try out one of the Internet Explorer alternatives. This site 
may not function entirely correct with older versions of IE." and 
provide alternative links.


This is the method I will shortly be adopting and I think it's good for 
pushing IE6 out the door, without slamming that door on potential visitors.


Michael Horowitz wrote:
IMHO it seems to me to be a violation of web standards to tell the 
user what browser to use.



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Gregorio Espadas wrote:
I like the IE6Blocker from Chris Coyier, check it out at 
http://css-tricks.com/ie-6-blocker-script/


I made a spanish translation of IE6Blocker, download it from 
http://espadas.com.mx/2008/09/01/bloqueando-internet-explorer-6/


Gregorio Espadas
http://espadas.com.mx



On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 6:37 PM, Susie Gardner-Brown 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:


I came upon this -

http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2008/08/27/facebook-doesnt-really-support-ie6 



If Facebook (or the 'new' Facebook look) is doing this, maybe it
will really start to move IE6 out the door ...

One can only hope anyway!!

+++
Susie Gardner-Brown
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Re: [WSG] Facebook downgrading support for IE6

[Jens Brueckmann]

2008/9/2 Gregorio Espadas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I like the IE6Blocker from Chris Coyier, check it out at
> http://css-tricks.com/ie-6-blocker-script/

In my opinion this is worst practice.

First priority should be for a website to make the content available
to as many people as possible. Browser discrimination is at least as
bad as accessibility and usability violations.
"At least" because the latter may be caused by lack of knowedge of
some guidelines, whereas not being able to deliver a passable page to
older browsers is sheer laziness or dumb imbecility.

Apart from my rejection on principle, this method of user agent
sniffing via javascript is prone to fail in many circumstances.
The best way to target IE6 (or below) would be to use conditional comments.

ONLY if a web application absolutely relies on certain javascript
methods not available in old browsers may a user be warned about
difficulties in using this application. In these cases, detection
should be done by testing said methods, not by user agent sniffing.


Cheers,

jens

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Re: [WSG] Facebook downgrading support for IE6

[Michael Horowitz]

IMHO it seems to me to be a violation of web standards to tell the user 
what browser to use.



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Gregorio Espadas wrote:
I like the IE6Blocker from Chris Coyier, check it out at 
http://css-tricks.com/ie-6-blocker-script/


I made a spanish translation of IE6Blocker, download it from 
http://espadas.com.mx/2008/09/01/bloqueando-internet-explorer-6/


Gregorio Espadas
http://espadas.com.mx



On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 6:37 PM, Susie Gardner-Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote:


I came upon this -
http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2008/08/27/facebook-doesnt-really-support-ie6

If Facebook (or the 'new' Facebook look) is doing this, maybe it
will really start to move IE6 out the door ...

One can only hope anyway!!

+++
Susie Gardner-Brown
blog:  http://susiegb/blogspot.com
web: http://www.greendoorwebsites.com



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Re: [WSG] Facebook downgrading support for IE6

[James Pickering]

 Gregorio Espadas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> I like the IE6Blocker from Chris Coyier, check it out at
> http://css-tricks.com/ie-6-blocker-script/
> 
> I made a spanish translation of IE6Blocker, download it from
> http://espadas.com.mx/2008/09/01/bloqueando-internet-explorer-6/
> 
> Gregorio Espadas
> http://espadas.com.mx
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 6:37 PM, Susie Gardner-Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> 
> >  I came upon this -
> > http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2008/08/27/facebook-doesnt-really-support-ie6
> >
> > If Facebook (or the 'new' Facebook look) is doing this, maybe it will
> > really start to move IE6 out the door ...
> >
> > One can only hope anyway!!
> >
> > +++
> > Susie Gardner-Brown
> > blog:  http://susiegb/blogspot.com
> > web: http://www.greendoorwebsites.com
> >
> 
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IMO this is very bad idea. Currently 24% of my visitors use MSIE 6.x Browsers.  
 and that represents thousands of users.  I am certainly not going to notify 
them that they cannot access my pages unless they change their Browser of 
choice.  More and and more people this days configure their Browsers (or their 
usage parameters) to suit their viewing preferences -- I think a lot of 
visitors will abandon their visits if those preferences are interfered with.

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Re: [WSG] Facebook downgrading support for IE6

[Gregorio Espadas]

I like the IE6Blocker from Chris Coyier, check it out at
http://css-tricks.com/ie-6-blocker-script/

I made a spanish translation of IE6Blocker, download it from
http://espadas.com.mx/2008/09/01/bloqueando-internet-explorer-6/

Gregorio Espadas
http://espadas.com.mx



On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 6:37 PM, Susie Gardner-Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

>  I came upon this -
> http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2008/08/27/facebook-doesnt-really-support-ie6
>
> If Facebook (or the 'new' Facebook look) is doing this, maybe it will
> really start to move IE6 out the door ...
>
> One can only hope anyway!!
>
> +++
> Susie Gardner-Brown
> blog:  http://susiegb/blogspot.com
> web: http://www.greendoorwebsites.com
>


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Re: [WSG] Code for Firefox, hack for IE

[Michael Horowitz]

Why not just user Safari for Windows rather than Opera to get an idea 
how Safari works?


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willdonovan wrote:

I would have to agree with the others here.

Coding for / with FF is easier because of the debugging tools (i.e. 
Firebug, Web Developer Toolbar, etc)


Otherwise I have atleast 4 other browsers open, all the popular IE's 
(5.5, 6, 7 & soon 8) and Opera.


I do find that Opera can give a good idea of what might be happening 
with Safari if your a PC user, but do check from time to time, like 
after major fixes and development stages.


William

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

This is how I work, but mainly for pragmatic reasons:
Better JavaScript de-bugging tools in FireFox.
Better CSS support, therefore fewer problems out of the box, and better
stylesheet analysis tools.
Finally, the one good reason: anything that needs to be fixed for IE can
be done with conditional comments, no such luck if you do things the
other way around.

Regards,
Mike

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David McKinnon

Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 11:55 AM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] Code for Firefox, hack for IE

Hi,

For a while now, I've been operating on the principle "Code for 
Firefox, hack for IE".


That is, writing CSS for the most standards-compliant browser, and 
then making adjustments for non-standard behaviour.
I said this in a meeting last week to argue a point and my boss said 
"who says?".


I could have said "me", but maybe that's not a good enough answer.
Somewhere some years ago I read this, or heard someone at a 
conference or something and it got stuck in my head.


Is this the way anyone works?
Is it the best way to work?
Does anyone know where I got this idea from? Book? Blog? A bit of 
googling this afternoon turned up not very much.


Thanks,
David





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Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...

[James Jeffery]

I am looking forward to Google's Chrome browser.

I have been on many IRC channels today, and on many forums and everyones
talking about Chrome. Its got more hype than FF3 had, so lets hope it loves
up to the hype.


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RE: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...

[Conyers, Dwayne]

There is an interesting and very humorous comic that describes Chrome:



http://books.google.com/books?id=8UsqHohwwVYC&printsec=frontcover#PPA19,M1



I like the multi-threading.





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Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...

[James Ellis]

Interesting to read the many comments on this. It's utilising Webkit as a 
rendering engine (also behind Safari and Konquerer 4), which is BSD and LGPL 
licensed. In turn Google say they are licensing Chrome as Open Source, meaning 
depending on the actual license, items like V8 (http://blogoscoped.com/google-
chrome/17) & other bits (http://blogoscoped.com/google-chrome/38) can be 
utilised in other browsers.

Interesting times and certainly more compelling and forward-thinking than 
"Compatibility View" ...

Cheers
James

On Tuesday 02 September 2008 12:06:33 russ - maxdesign wrote:
> Some of the many comments about the proposed new Google browser...
>
> http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2008/09/fresh-take-on-browser.html
>
> http://blogoscoped.com/google-chrome/
>
> http://blogoscoped.com/archive/2008-09-01-n47.html
>
> http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10029914-2.html
>
> http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/google_to_offer_its_own_browser_chrome
>. php
>
> http://www.smh.com.au/news/biztech/new-google-browser-to-muscle-in-on-micro
>s oft/2008/09/02/1220121183420.html
>
> Thanks
> Russ
>
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