Re: [WSG] Code for Firefox, hack for IE

2008-09-02 Thread Breton Slivka
On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 8:55 PM, David McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,

 For a while now, I've been operating on the principle Code for Firefox,
 hack for IE.

 That is, writing CSS for the most standards-compliant browser, and then
 making adjustments for non-standard behaviour.
 I said this in a meeting last week to argue a point and my boss said who
 says?.

 I could have said me, but maybe that's not a good enough answer.
 Somewhere some years ago I read this, or heard someone at a conference or
 something and it got stuck in my head.

 Is this the way anyone works?
 Is it the best way to work?
 Does anyone know where I got this idea from? Book? Blog? A bit of googling
 this afternoon turned up not very much.

 Thanks,
 David


I think that nobody has to have said it. It is simply a fact that is
the easiest way to code. If you need an expert to tell you which way
is best then you probably haven't tried it the other way around.

Let me frame it in a metaphore. You're a teacher with 4 students, 3 of
them are really good students, but the fourth is kind of slow, and has
difficulty understanding instructions, and is frequently found making
up his own little engish dailecs 4 u 2 reed.  What approach would you
take with this class? Do you start out by writing out the lesson in
the dumbed down dialect, and hope that you don't bring down the level
of the whole class by doing so? Or do you write the lesson in well
structured english, and put dumbed down parentheticals to explain the
difficult parts for the slow kid?

In short, IE is a bad, outdated, dumb browser, and if you code for IE
first, you run the risk of writing in a browser ebonics that make your
pages look dumb to the other browsers, and you end up using slang
words that none of the other browsers can understand properly.  it's
better to target the standards compliant browsers first (the ones that
agree on a single language), and then dumb it down for the dumb
browser.

So, an appeal to an authority figure on this matter is not necessary.
One only needs to look at the facts- And the evidence of the rather
tenuous position many large companies now find themselves in when they
can't upgrade from internet explorer 6 because all their intranet
pages were authored to work ONLY in IE6. This is a tenuous position,
because of the gaping security deficits in IE6 that put any large
deployment in dire risk. sooner or later MS is going to stop
supporting IE6, and then where will they be?

So there's another argument: It's better to code to standards, because
to depend on a single browser from a single company for your large
investment is foolish.

I'm sure you can come up with your own arguments, but yeah, it's also
just easier to code in firefox first and then hack for IE. Firefox has
fewer bugs, and is updated more frequently, and isn't trying to hold
onto an illegal monopoly by pushing mutually indecipherable dialects,
as microsoft does and continues to do.


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Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...

2008-09-02 Thread James Ellis
Interesting to read the many comments on this. It's utilising Webkit as a 
rendering engine (also behind Safari and Konquerer 4), which is BSD and LGPL 
licensed. In turn Google say they are licensing Chrome as Open Source, meaning 
depending on the actual license, items like V8 (http://blogoscoped.com/google-
chrome/17)  other bits (http://blogoscoped.com/google-chrome/38) can be 
utilised in other browsers.

Interesting times and certainly more compelling and forward-thinking than 
Compatibility View ...

Cheers
James

On Tuesday 02 September 2008 12:06:33 russ - maxdesign wrote:
 Some of the many comments about the proposed new Google browser...

 http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2008/09/fresh-take-on-browser.html

 http://blogoscoped.com/google-chrome/

 http://blogoscoped.com/archive/2008-09-01-n47.html

 http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10029914-2.html

 http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/google_to_offer_its_own_browser_chrome
. php

 http://www.smh.com.au/news/biztech/new-google-browser-to-muscle-in-on-micro
s oft/2008/09/02/1220121183420.html

 Thanks
 Russ




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RE: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...

2008-09-02 Thread Conyers, Dwayne
There is an interesting and very humorous comic that describes Chrome:



http://books.google.com/books?id=8UsqHohwwVYCprintsec=frontcover#PPA19,M1



I like the multi-threading.





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Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...

2008-09-02 Thread James Jeffery
I am looking forward to Google's Chrome browser.

I have been on many IRC channels today, and on many forums and everyones
talking about Chrome. Its got more hype than FF3 had, so lets hope it loves
up to the hype.


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Re: [WSG] Code for Firefox, hack for IE

2008-09-02 Thread Michael Horowitz
Why not just user Safari for Windows rather than Opera to get an idea 
how Safari works?


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willdonovan wrote:

I would have to agree with the others here.

Coding for / with FF is easier because of the debugging tools (i.e. 
Firebug, Web Developer Toolbar, etc)


Otherwise I have atleast 4 other browsers open, all the popular IE's 
(5.5, 6, 7  soon 8) and Opera.


I do find that Opera can give a good idea of what might be happening 
with Safari if your a PC user, but do check from time to time, like 
after major fixes and development stages.


William

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

This is how I work, but mainly for pragmatic reasons:
Better JavaScript de-bugging tools in FireFox.
Better CSS support, therefore fewer problems out of the box, and better
stylesheet analysis tools.
Finally, the one good reason: anything that needs to be fixed for IE can
be done with conditional comments, no such luck if you do things the
other way around.

Regards,
Mike

 

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Subject: [WSG] Code for Firefox, hack for IE

Hi,

For a while now, I've been operating on the principle Code for 
Firefox, hack for IE.


That is, writing CSS for the most standards-compliant browser, and 
then making adjustments for non-standard behaviour.
I said this in a meeting last week to argue a point and my boss said 
who says?.


I could have said me, but maybe that's not a good enough answer.
Somewhere some years ago I read this, or heard someone at a 
conference or something and it got stuck in my head.


Is this the way anyone works?
Is it the best way to work?
Does anyone know where I got this idea from? Book? Blog? A bit of 
googling this afternoon turned up not very much.


Thanks,
David





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Re: [WSG] Facebook downgrading support for IE6

2008-09-02 Thread Gregorio Espadas
I like the IE6Blocker from Chris Coyier, check it out at
http://css-tricks.com/ie-6-blocker-script/

I made a spanish translation of IE6Blocker, download it from
http://espadas.com.mx/2008/09/01/bloqueando-internet-explorer-6/

Gregorio Espadas
http://espadas.com.mx



On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 6:37 PM, Susie Gardner-Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

  I came upon this -
 http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2008/08/27/facebook-doesnt-really-support-ie6

 If Facebook (or the 'new' Facebook look) is doing this, maybe it will
 really start to move IE6 out the door ...

 One can only hope anyway!!

 +++
 Susie Gardner-Brown
 blog:  http://susiegb/blogspot.com
 web: http://www.greendoorwebsites.com



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Re: [WSG] Facebook downgrading support for IE6

2008-09-02 Thread James Pickering

 Gregorio Espadas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 I like the IE6Blocker from Chris Coyier, check it out at
 http://css-tricks.com/ie-6-blocker-script/
 
 I made a spanish translation of IE6Blocker, download it from
 http://espadas.com.mx/2008/09/01/bloqueando-internet-explorer-6/
 
 Gregorio Espadas
 http://espadas.com.mx
 
 
 
 On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 6:37 PM, Susie Gardner-Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
 
   I came upon this -
  http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2008/08/27/facebook-doesnt-really-support-ie6
 
  If Facebook (or the 'new' Facebook look) is doing this, maybe it will
  really start to move IE6 out the door ...
 
  One can only hope anyway!!
 
  +++
  Susie Gardner-Brown
  blog:  http://susiegb/blogspot.com
  web: http://www.greendoorwebsites.com
 
 
 
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IMO this is very bad idea. Currently 24% of my visitors use MSIE 6.x Browsers.  
 and that represents thousands of users.  I am certainly not going to notify 
them that they cannot access my pages unless they change their Browser of 
choice.  More and and more people this days configure their Browsers (or their 
usage parameters) to suit their viewing preferences -- I think a lot of 
visitors will abandon their visits if those preferences are interfered with.

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Re: [WSG] Facebook downgrading support for IE6

2008-09-02 Thread Michael Horowitz
IMHO it seems to me to be a violation of web standards to tell the user 
what browser to use.



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Gregorio Espadas wrote:
I like the IE6Blocker from Chris Coyier, check it out at 
http://css-tricks.com/ie-6-blocker-script/


I made a spanish translation of IE6Blocker, download it from 
http://espadas.com.mx/2008/09/01/bloqueando-internet-explorer-6/


Gregorio Espadas
http://espadas.com.mx



On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 6:37 PM, Susie Gardner-Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I came upon this -
http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2008/08/27/facebook-doesnt-really-support-ie6

If Facebook (or the 'new' Facebook look) is doing this, maybe it
will really start to move IE6 out the door ...

One can only hope anyway!!

+++
Susie Gardner-Brown
blog:  http://susiegb/blogspot.com
web: http://www.greendoorwebsites.com



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Re: [WSG] Facebook downgrading support for IE6

2008-09-02 Thread Jens Brueckmann
2008/9/2 Gregorio Espadas [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 I like the IE6Blocker from Chris Coyier, check it out at
 http://css-tricks.com/ie-6-blocker-script/

In my opinion this is worst practice.

First priority should be for a website to make the content available
to as many people as possible. Browser discrimination is at least as
bad as accessibility and usability violations.
At least because the latter may be caused by lack of knowedge of
some guidelines, whereas not being able to deliver a passable page to
older browsers is sheer laziness or dumb imbecility.

Apart from my rejection on principle, this method of user agent
sniffing via javascript is prone to fail in many circumstances.
The best way to target IE6 (or below) would be to use conditional comments.

ONLY if a web application absolutely relies on certain javascript
methods not available in old browsers may a user be warned about
difficulties in using this application. In these cases, detection
should be done by testing said methods, not by user agent sniffing.


Cheers,

jens

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Re: [WSG] Facebook downgrading support for IE6

2008-09-02 Thread Christian Snodgrass
I agree that it's not a good idea to flat out block someone from 
browsing your website with a certain browser. That reminds me of way 
back when during the IE/Netscape wars where half the pages you would go 
to had a block for one or the other.


I think a better idea if you want to drop IE6 support is to simply make 
your website how your would for the other browsers. Than, you could 
check it in IE6 and fix any major glitches, but don't worry about the 
minor details (or not, if you really wanted to flat out drop it). Then, 
use scripting to determine the browser, and if it is IE6 or lower, put a 
small banner at the top of your page saying You should upgrade your 
browser, or try out one of the Internet Explorer alternatives. This site 
may not function entirely correct with older versions of IE. and 
provide alternative links.


This is the method I will shortly be adopting and I think it's good for 
pushing IE6 out the door, without slamming that door on potential visitors.


Michael Horowitz wrote:
IMHO it seems to me to be a violation of web standards to tell the 
user what browser to use.



Michael Horowitz
Your Computer Consultant
http://yourcomputerconsultant.com
561-394-9079



Gregorio Espadas wrote:
I like the IE6Blocker from Chris Coyier, check it out at 
http://css-tricks.com/ie-6-blocker-script/


I made a spanish translation of IE6Blocker, download it from 
http://espadas.com.mx/2008/09/01/bloqueando-internet-explorer-6/


Gregorio Espadas
http://espadas.com.mx



On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 6:37 PM, Susie Gardner-Brown 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I came upon this -

http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2008/08/27/facebook-doesnt-really-support-ie6 



If Facebook (or the 'new' Facebook look) is doing this, maybe it
will really start to move IE6 out the door ...

One can only hope anyway!!

+++
Susie Gardner-Brown
blog:  http://susiegb/blogspot.com
web: http://www.greendoorwebsites.com



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RE: [WSG] Facebook downgrading support for IE6

2008-09-02 Thread Conyers, Dwayne
Also Spracht Jens Brueckmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 In my opinion this is worst practice.

 First priority should be for a website
 to make the content available to as
 many people as possible.  Browser
 discrimination is at least as bad as
 accessibility and usability violations.


I remember back when the first IE releases came out and Netscape was the 
dominant browser that many sites intentionally shut out IE users and put up a 
Netscape Only splash screen.

There were a number of sites that I wanted to visit that had this provision... 
and I was forced to buy Netscape.  Granted... that isn't the case now with just 
about every available browser being free.  However, the spirit is the same and 
only hurts innocent users.



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Re: [WSG] Facebook downgrading support for IE6

2008-09-02 Thread Christian Montoya
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 2:51 PM, Jens Brueckmann
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 2008/9/2 Gregorio Espadas [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 I like the IE6Blocker from Chris Coyier, check it out at
 http://css-tricks.com/ie-6-blocker-script/

 ONLY if a web application absolutely relies on certain javascript
 methods not available in old browsers may a user be warned about
 difficulties in using this application. In these cases, detection
 should be done by testing said methods, not by user agent sniffing.


Leave it to WSG to assume that Facebook.com is just another website.

Log into Facebook and profile your session with Firebug or a similar
Javascript tool. What you will soon find is that Facebook is one of
the most complex web applications out there today. It has a huge
number of AJAX  animation events throughout the many sections, as
well as a live chat feature similar to the one in Gmail. Just to give
you an example, Facebook has a continuously running presence monitor
that sends information via AJAX to the backend even as the logged-in
user is idle, to track and identify how users interact with the site.
One of the uses for this is to tell other users, with certainty, if
you are currently online.

Facebook has had a warning message on their homepage for a long time;
I remember seeing it at the beginning of this year. It's a way of
letting users know that some features of the site are bound to be
hindered because IE 6 is so outdated. I think this message went up
around the time that Facebook chat was released (April 2008), this is
why:

http://www.theangryhedgehog.com/2008/04/facebook-chat-and-ie-6.html

Currently, Facebook has a redesign of their site which is opt-in until
the testing period is over, which does not work with IE 6. It is well
understood that the new version features a lot more Javascript  AJAX
than the current design, and therefore, will take a while to make
compatible with IE 6, if at all. Facebook has not finished the opt-in,
testing period for their new design, so it is not correct to say that
they are downgrading support for IE 6. We can only say that if those
users are still blocked when the new design is actually released to
all users (which is scheduled to happen soon).

We might not agree with the way Facebook sniffs the user's browser,
but the point I am trying to make is that Facebook is far more a web
app than many people on this list may have ever known, and it
certainly does have different requirements than our blogs and
public-facing brochure sites. Also, since Facebook hasn't actually
finished their latest redesign, there is still a chance that they will
support IE 6 in the end; but I doubt it.

Last link:
http://siteanalytics.compete.com/google.com+myspace.com+facebook.com/?metric=uv

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Re: [WSG] Facebook downgrading support for IE6

2008-09-02 Thread Christian Snodgrass
Yet another thing that is Facebook specific that I just thought about. I 
may be overstating this, since I have no actual statistics to back it 
up, but I'd wager that a very large part of Facebook's population is 
from the more tech-savvy  generations, so their usage statistics of IE6 
may be far lower than your average website. Additionally, since a large 
portion of there population is (was?) college students who generally 
reside on-campus, they are likely to have more up-to-date systems 
because nearly all colleges require that you stay current with Windows 
updates to access their network (meaning use the internet, not 
necessarily access an intranet), so a lot of the users already have IE6 
or greater.


Not saying I completely agree with this approach, but at the same time 
it is highly unreasonable for a web system like Facebook to be able to 
individually provide fall backs and fail-safes for IE6.


In addition, I think it is actually about time that we as web developers 
began pushing for users to upgrade. Simple non-invasive messages on the 
top of our website for those that are using outdated browsers are simple 
to implement, easily ignored by those that want to, and are helpful for 
those that aren't as tech-savvy. Many people that are using IE6 don't 
realize they are using an outdated version. I'd wager to bet that 99% of 
those still using IE6 couldn't tell you the browser version they are 
using because they aren't acclimated enough to know that there are 
different versions of Internet Explorer. Most of these users are those 
stereotypical users that think Internet Explorer = The Internet. (The 
other 1% are just crazy)


Christian Montoya wrote:

On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 2:51 PM, Jens Brueckmann
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

2008/9/2 Gregorio Espadas [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


I like the IE6Blocker from Chris Coyier, check it out at
http://css-tricks.com/ie-6-blocker-script/
  

ONLY if a web application absolutely relies on certain javascript
methods not available in old browsers may a user be warned about
difficulties in using this application. In these cases, detection
should be done by testing said methods, not by user agent sniffing.




Leave it to WSG to assume that Facebook.com is just another website.

Log into Facebook and profile your session with Firebug or a similar
Javascript tool. What you will soon find is that Facebook is one of
the most complex web applications out there today. It has a huge
number of AJAX  animation events throughout the many sections, as
well as a live chat feature similar to the one in Gmail. Just to give
you an example, Facebook has a continuously running presence monitor
that sends information via AJAX to the backend even as the logged-in
user is idle, to track and identify how users interact with the site.
One of the uses for this is to tell other users, with certainty, if
you are currently online.

Facebook has had a warning message on their homepage for a long time;
I remember seeing it at the beginning of this year. It's a way of
letting users know that some features of the site are bound to be
hindered because IE 6 is so outdated. I think this message went up
around the time that Facebook chat was released (April 2008), this is
why:

http://www.theangryhedgehog.com/2008/04/facebook-chat-and-ie-6.html

Currently, Facebook has a redesign of their site which is opt-in until
the testing period is over, which does not work with IE 6. It is well
understood that the new version features a lot more Javascript  AJAX
than the current design, and therefore, will take a while to make
compatible with IE 6, if at all. Facebook has not finished the opt-in,
testing period for their new design, so it is not correct to say that
they are downgrading support for IE 6. We can only say that if those
users are still blocked when the new design is actually released to
all users (which is scheduled to happen soon).

We might not agree with the way Facebook sniffs the user's browser,
but the point I am trying to make is that Facebook is far more a web
app than many people on this list may have ever known, and it
certainly does have different requirements than our blogs and
public-facing brochure sites. Also, since Facebook hasn't actually
finished their latest redesign, there is still a chance that they will
support IE 6 in the end; but I doubt it.

Last link:
http://siteanalytics.compete.com/google.com+myspace.com+facebook.com/?metric=uv

  



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Re: [WSG] Facebook downgrading support for IE6

2008-09-02 Thread Brian Cummiskey

Christian Snodgrass wrote:
Yet another thing that is Facebook specific that I just thought about. 
I may be overstating this, since I have no actual statistics to back 
it up, but I'd wager that a very large part of Facebook's population 
is from the more tech-savvy  generations, so their usage statistics of 
IE6 may be far lower than your average website. Additionally, since a 
large portion of there population is (was?) college students who 
generally reside on-campus, they are likely to have more up-to-date 
systems because nearly all colleges require that you stay current with 
Windows updates to access their network (meaning use the internet, not 
necessarily access an intranet), so a lot of the users already have 
IE6 or greater. 

Yup,

Most schools around here don't even allow win2k on their network anymore.

xp and vista only.


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Re: [WSG] Facebook downgrading support for IE6

2008-09-02 Thread russ - maxdesign
 Most schools around here don't even allow win2k on their network anymore.

An interesting discussion.

Agree that Facebook is an application and not a website - and an absolutely
huge and complex one.

From what I can see, Facebook is doing the right thing...  offering full
support for latest browsers and some support (access to content and key
functions) for older browsers. - along with information about why upgrades
and where to upgrade.

Of more concern is the discussion about simply blocking versions of a
browser (which is nor what Facebook is doing from what I can tell). This is
not a good idea!

Ideally, we should aim to provide support to as many devices as we can -
whether we are building an application or a website. For many reasons:

1. business - can we afford to cut off 10%, 17%, 25% of our audience? While
this number will continue to drop - the number is still high.

2. moral/accessibility - many people who use assistive devices such as JAWS
run on IE6 still due to inability, lack of knowledge of how to upgrade etc.
Do we really want to cut these people off entirely?

The rules are completely different for intranets and closed environments,
but on the web (site or app) we should aim to support everyone - and where
needed, provide a lesser but acceptable experience.

2cents
Russ




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Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...

2008-09-02 Thread tee


On Sep 2, 2008, at 5:24 AM, James Ellis wrote:

Interesting to read the many comments on this. It's utilising Webkit  
as a rendering engine (also behind Safari and Konquerer 4), which is  
BSD and LGPL licensed. In turn Google say they are licensing Chrome  
as Open Source, meaning depending on the actual license, items like  
V8 (http://blogoscoped.com/google-chrome/17)  other bits (http://blogoscoped.com/google-chrome/38 
) can be utilised in other browsers.
Interesting times and certainly more compelling and forward-thinking  
than Compatibility View ...

Cheers
James

I really like to see that it magically repairs IE6 broken web, so that  
we can forever moving forward and it helps save IE team from  
implementing compatibility view in IE8. Hack!, they might just start  
thinking why do we wasting our time on IE8. Rumor has circling in  
Technorati, MSN, Diggit that the head of IE team was sending his  
resumé to google inc.


As for google, it will win over all big corp that use IE6 for their  
intranets. Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer has finally  realized the  
company has lost the web, and hence stopping all attempts trying to  
take over Yahoo. Bill Gates steps in, fires his CEO, gathers a group  
of talents from outer-space working on a project calls webXsPace, and  
release a press release, claiming: We will prevail, right here from  
where we have fallen down!.


15 yeas later, a new web technology emerges that will use no  
broadband, no 3G wireless and no monitor but  a pair of optical glass  
or contact lens (good for me as I already wear ones)


As for google, the company has moved its HQ to Mars since 2015.

Oh! I can't wait to download the Chrome.
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Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...

2008-09-02 Thread shaun
 
Google chrome is available for windows download !

http://www.google.com/chrome



On Tue  2/09/08 10:18 PM , tee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Sep 2, 2008, at 5:24 AM, James Ellis wrote:
  Interesting to read the many comments on this. It's utilising
 Webkit  
  as a rendering engine (also behind Safari and Konquerer 4), which
 is  
  BSD and LGPL licensed. In turn Google say they are licensing
 Chrome  
  as Open Source, meaning depending on the actual license, items
 like  
  V8 (http://blogoscoped.com/google-chrome/17)  other bits
 (http://blogoscoped.com/google-chrome/38 
  ) can be utilised in other browsers.
  Interesting times and certainly more compelling and
 forward-thinking  
  than Compatibility View ...
  Cheers
  James
 
 I really like to see that it magically repairs IE6 broken web, so
 that  
 we can forever moving forward and it helps save IE team from  
 implementing compatibility view in IE8. Hack!, they might just start
 
 thinking why do we wasting our time on IE8. Rumor has circling in  
 Technorati, MSN, Diggit that the head of IE team was sending his  
 resumé to google inc.
 As for google, it will win over all big corp that use IE6 for their 
 
 intranets. Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer has finally  realized the  
 company has lost the web, and hence stopping all attempts trying to 
 
 take over Yahoo. Bill Gates steps in, fires his CEO, gathers a group
 
 of talents from outer-space working on a project calls webXsPace,
 and  
 release a press release, claiming: We will prevail, right here from 
 
 where we have fallen down!.
 15 yeas later, a new web technology emerges that will use no  
 broadband, no 3G wireless and no monitor but  a pair of optical
 glass  
 or contact lens (good for me as I already wear ones)
 As for google, the company has moved its HQ to Mars since 2015.
 Oh! I can't wait to download the Chrome.
 tee
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Re: [WSG] Facebook downgrading support for IE6

2008-09-02 Thread Anthony
This may be acceptable for facebook if thier statistics indicate a low  
amount of IE6 users, however I think this is hardly acceptable for a  
majority of my audience, which includes many proffesionals who still  
run IE6 so they can use company intranets, etc.


I would love nothing more than to not have to worry about IE6 however  
I think that day will be a very long day coming.


Regards,
Anthony.

Sent from my iPhone!

On 03/09/2008, at 7:05 AM, russ - maxdesign [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:


Most schools around here don't even allow win2k on their network  
anymore.


An interesting discussion.

Agree that Facebook is an application and not a website - and an  
absolutely

huge and complex one.

From what I can see, Facebook is doing the right thing...  offering  
full
support for latest browsers and some support (access to content and  
key
functions) for older browsers. - along with information about why  
upgrades

and where to upgrade.

Of more concern is the discussion about simply blocking versions of a
browser (which is nor what Facebook is doing from what I can tell).  
This is

not a good idea!

Ideally, we should aim to provide support to as many devices as we  
can -

whether we are building an application or a website. For many reasons:

1. business - can we afford to cut off 10%, 17%, 25% of our  
audience? While

this number will continue to drop - the number is still high.

2. moral/accessibility - many people who use assistive devices such  
as JAWS
run on IE6 still due to inability, lack of knowledge of how to  
upgrade etc.

Do we really want to cut these people off entirely?

The rules are completely different for intranets and closed  
environments,
but on the web (site or app) we should aim to support everyone - and  
where

needed, provide a lesser but acceptable experience.

2cents
Russ




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Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...

2008-09-02 Thread tee


On Sep 2, 2008, at 2:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Google chrome is available for windows download !

http://www.google.com/chrome


It has no Mac version!  :(

tee


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Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...

2008-09-02 Thread Anthony

Can't wait to get into the office!!!

Regards,
Anthony.

Sent from my iPhone!

On 03/09/2008, at 7:32 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Google chrome is available for windows download !

http://www.google.com/chrome



On Tue  2/09/08 10:18 PM , tee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


On Sep 2, 2008, at 5:24 AM, James Ellis wrote:

Interesting to read the many comments on this. It's utilising

Webkit

as a rendering engine (also behind Safari and Konquerer 4), which

is

BSD and LGPL licensed. In turn Google say they are licensing

Chrome

as Open Source, meaning depending on the actual license, items

like

V8 (http://blogoscoped.com/google-chrome/17)  other bits

(http://blogoscoped.com/google-chrome/38

) can be utilised in other browsers.
Interesting times and certainly more compelling and

forward-thinking

than Compatibility View ...
Cheers
James


I really like to see that it magically repairs IE6 broken web, so
that
we can forever moving forward and it helps save IE team from
implementing compatibility view in IE8. Hack!, they might just start

thinking why do we wasting our time on IE8. Rumor has circling in
Technorati, MSN, Diggit that the head of IE team was sending his
resumé to google inc.
As for google, it will win over all big corp that use IE6 for their

intranets. Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer has finally  realized the
company has lost the web, and hence stopping all attempts trying to

take over Yahoo. Bill Gates steps in, fires his CEO, gathers a group

of talents from outer-space working on a project calls webXsPace,
and
release a press release, claiming: We will prevail, right here from

where we have fallen down!.
15 yeas later, a new web technology emerges that will use no
broadband, no 3G wireless and no monitor but  a pair of optical
glass
or contact lens (good for me as I already wear ones)
As for google, the company has moved its HQ to Mars since 2015.
Oh! I can't wait to download the Chrome.
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Re: [WSG] Facebook downgrading support for IE6

2008-09-02 Thread dstorey

Quoting russ - maxdesign [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


Most schools around here don't even allow win2k on their network anymore.


An interesting discussion.

Agree that Facebook is an application and not a website - and an absolutely
huge and complex one.


From what I can see, Facebook is doing the right thing...  offering full

support for latest browsers and some support (access to content and key
functions) for older browsers. - along with information about why upgrades
and where to upgrade.

Of more concern is the discussion about simply blocking versions of a
browser (which is nor what Facebook is doing from what I can tell). This is
not a good idea!

Ideally, we should aim to provide support to as many devices as we can -
whether we are building an application or a website. For many reasons:

1. business - can we afford to cut off 10%, 17%, 25% of our audience? While
this number will continue to drop - the number is still high.

2. moral/accessibility - many people who use assistive devices such as JAWS
run on IE6 still due to inability, lack of knowledge of how to upgrade etc.
Do we really want to cut these people off entirely?

The rules are completely different for intranets and closed environments,
but on the web (site or app) we should aim to support everyone - and where
needed, provide a lesser but acceptable experience.


I agree 100% Russ.  As a browser vendor we gain to benefit from IE6  
being blocked (well except many of these scripts will also block Opera  
 9), as it will push users to download new browsers (if your site is  
important enough), but I, and our company as a whole are wholesale  
against such browser sniffing practices to block browsers, even if  
they are capable to render the page. If old browsers are causing too  
much headache during development time, then I'd recommend the YUI  
approach of giving th content but not the advanced behaviours or  
styles.  That way the content is still accessible to your (potential)  
users/customers.




2cents
Russ




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Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...

2008-09-02 Thread Bill Brown

tee wrote:

Google chrome is available for windows download !
http://www.google.com/chrome

It has no Mac version!  :(


Nor Unix.

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Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...

2008-09-02 Thread Anthony

That was heavily talked about accross most topics already.

Regards,
Anthony.

Sent from my iPhone!

On 03/09/2008, at 7:41 AM, tee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



On Sep 2, 2008, at 2:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Google chrome is available for windows download !

http://www.google.com/chrome


It has no Mac version!  :(

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Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...

2008-09-02 Thread Scott Elcomb
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 5:41 PM, tee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Sep 2, 2008, at 2:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Google chrome is available for windows download !

 http://www.google.com/chrome

 It has no Mac version!  :(

Nor Linux!  (But they're coming... eventually.)
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RE: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...

2008-09-02 Thread Paul Bennett
Unless you're behind a firewall which requires proxy auth. In this case, you'll 
need to wait until tonight :(

http://thingsilearn.wordpress.com/2008/03/05/attention-software-developers-dont-make-assumptions-about-my-internet-connection/



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RE: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...

2008-09-02 Thread Paul Bennett
Hi Tee,

According to product info, it's been in private beta for a while.
This is the first public beta (well, to 100 or so countries anyway)

Rest assured a Mac ( *Nix ?) version will follow soon :)

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RE: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...

2008-09-02 Thread Spellacy, Michael
Heh. Looks like somebody at Google is a big fan of Understanding Comics
By Scott McCloud. This is nice though.

Regards,
Spell

Michael Spellacy
Senior User Interface Developer
TMP Worldwide Advertising  Communications, LLC
205 Hudson Street, 5th Floor
New York, NY 10013

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Subject: RE: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...

There is an interesting and very humorous comic that describes Chrome:



http://books.google.com/books?id=8UsqHohwwVYCprintsec=frontcover#PPA19,
M1



I like the multi-threading.





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RE: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...

2008-09-02 Thread Essential eBiz Solutions Ltd
Just downloaded it. Seems that yet another blue chip is using a browsing
phishing tool, this time it was to rely specific download instructions

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Subject: RE: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...

Heh. Looks like somebody at Google is a big fan of Understanding Comics
By Scott McCloud. This is nice though.

Regards,
Spell

Michael Spellacy
Senior User Interface Developer
TMP Worldwide Advertising  Communications, LLC
205 Hudson Street, 5th Floor
New York, NY 10013

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Subject: RE: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...

There is an interesting and very humorous comic that describes Chrome:



http://books.google.com/books?id=8UsqHohwwVYCprintsec=frontcover#PPA19,
M1



I like the multi-threading.





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Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...

2008-09-02 Thread Michael Horowitz

Just tried it.  It is fast.

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Bill Brown wrote:

tee wrote:

Google chrome is available for windows download !
http://www.google.com/chrome

It has no Mac version!  :(


Nor Unix.




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RE: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon... [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2008-09-02 Thread Thomler, Craig
I thought it was about the same speed as Firefox 3, though memory usage
is much improved and the multi-threading has improved the speed of web
apps running in multiple windows.

Of course they could bite the bullet and make it red - then it would be
faster...




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Just tried it.  It is fast.

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Bill Brown wrote:
 tee wrote:
 Google chrome is available for windows download !
 http://www.google.com/chrome
 It has no Mac version!  :(

 Nor Unix.



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Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...

2008-09-02 Thread Jeffery Lowder
I know, I tired it on a couple of the more intensive ajax dependent  
pages I've been working on and it puts FF to shame.
If people realize how much faster they can surf the web - this thing  
is going to take off big time.




On 03/09/2008, at 10:01 AM, Michael Horowitz wrote:


Just tried it.  It is fast.

Michael Horowitz
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Bill Brown wrote:

tee wrote:

Google chrome is available for windows download !
http://www.google.com/chrome

It has no Mac version!  :(


Nor Unix.




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Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...

2008-09-02 Thread Blake
Indeed. We have some very clunky sites and they loaded almost
instantly. I couldn't believe the rendering speed.

However Gmail won't load on any computers with Chrome on at work (in
fact, I can't sign in to any google services). Is this problem
affecting everyone or is it just our network? If it's affecting
everyone that's pretty massive fail for Google.

(e-mail sent from Gmail in Firefox!!)

On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 10:15 AM, Jeffery Lowder
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I know, I tired it on a couple of the more intensive ajax dependent pages 
 I've been working on and it puts FF to shame.
 If people realize how much faster they can surf the web - this thing is going 
 to take off big time.


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Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...

2008-09-02 Thread Anton Babushkin
Google Chrome wasn't working for me in the office either, but I think its
all due to the firewall and proxy that we have setup here. It couldn't seem
to negotiate between the proxy and the installer. I just hooked it up to an
outside ADSL connection (my work PC that is), and typing this Email through
Chrome right now :)
Its a brilliant browser, a true innovation to the way we use the web. Too
bad Java and Shockwave don't work on it yet.

On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 11:43 AM, Blake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Indeed. We have some very clunky sites and they loaded almost
 instantly. I couldn't believe the rendering speed.

 However Gmail won't load on any computers with Chrome on at work (in
 fact, I can't sign in to any google services). Is this problem
 affecting everyone or is it just our network? If it's affecting
 everyone that's pretty massive fail for Google.

 (e-mail sent from Gmail in Firefox!!)

 On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 10:15 AM, Jeffery Lowder
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I know, I tired it on a couple of the more intensive ajax dependent pages
 I've been working on and it puts FF to shame.
  If people realize how much faster they can surf the web - this thing is
 going to take off big time.


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Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...

2008-09-02 Thread Jeffery Lowder

working fine my end.



On 03/09/2008, at 10:43 AM, Blake wrote:


Indeed. We have some very clunky sites and they loaded almost
instantly. I couldn't believe the rendering speed.

However Gmail won't load on any computers with Chrome on at work (in
fact, I can't sign in to any google services). Is this problem
affecting everyone or is it just our network? If it's affecting
everyone that's pretty massive fail for Google.

(e-mail sent from Gmail in Firefox!!)

On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 10:15 AM, Jeffery Lowder
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I know, I tired it on a couple of the more intensive ajax dependent  
pages I've been working on and it puts FF to shame.
If people realize how much faster they can surf the web - this  
thing is going to take off big time.



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Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...

2008-09-02 Thread Ben Buchanan
However Gmail won't load on any computers with Chrome on at work (in

fact, I can't sign in to any google services). Is this problem

affecting everyone or is it just our network? If it's affecting

everyone that's pretty massive fail for Google.

We had that problem here but it turned out to be a proxy issue.
Interestingly though it turns out that Chrome loads and edits the connection
settings from IE, instead of having its own settings.

It's truly Frankenstein's Browser: bits of Safari, Firefox and IE stitched
together into a new creature ;)

Did everyone get a laugh out of about:internets in Chrome? :)

cheers,

Ben

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Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...

2008-09-02 Thread Blake
Oh, the browser works fine. I can access everything except google
services which require me to login. It just attempts to redirect to
their authentication page and kind of... stops. Loads for a while then
nothing, just a blank white page.

Again, only Google services, so kind of epic fail.

On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 10:50 AM, Anton Babushkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Google Chrome wasn't working for me in the office either, but I think its
 all due to the firewall and proxy that we have setup here. It couldn't seem
 to negotiate between the proxy and the installer. I just hooked it up to an
 outside ADSL connection (my work PC that is), and typing this Email through
 Chrome right now :)


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Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...

2008-09-02 Thread James Ellis

You can grab the source from : http://code.google.com/chromium/  
http://dev.chromium.org/Home and  try to build it if you want ..

According to the site, it won't (yet) build fully on Mac or Linux 
(http://dev.chromium.org/developers/how-tos/build-instructions-linux) but I'm 
sure it'll happen soon with enough contributions.

Cheers
J

On Wednesday 03 September 2008 07:47:10 Bill Brown wrote:
 tee wrote:
  Google chrome is available for windows download !
  http://www.google.com/chrome
 
  It has no Mac version!  :(

 Nor Unix.




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Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon... [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2008-09-02 Thread Rae Buerckner
You might want to read this and think about uninstalling it ;)
http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/does_google_have_rights_to_all.php

R

On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 10:08 AM, Thomler, Craig [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 I thought it was about the same speed as Firefox 3, though memory usage
 is much improved and the multi-threading has improved the speed of web
 apps running in multiple windows.

 Of course they could bite the bullet and make it red - then it would be
 faster...




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 Just tried it.  It is fast.

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 Bill Brown wrote:
  tee wrote:
  Google chrome is available for windows download !
  http://www.google.com/chrome
  It has no Mac version!  :(
 
  Nor Unix.
 


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Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon... [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2008-09-02 Thread tee


On Sep 2, 2008, at 8:26 PM, Rae Buerckner wrote:


You might want to read this and think about uninstalling it ;) 
http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/does_google_have_rights_to_all.php


Just my 2 cents who had hired two lawyers to draft out policy/ 
copyrights/contact  for my business.


The first one basically copied and pasted one of his client's policy  
to mine and forgotten to replace the company's name to min


The second that I recently hired, did something similar.

They charged 3 times more than I charge my clients.  It finally hits  
me that I must work hard on my English and learn to write the contact  
myself.


Maybe google had a lawyer like the two I encountered? :-)

tee

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Re: [WSG] resent- Google chrome... Coming very soon... [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2008-09-02 Thread tee



On Sep 2, 2008, at 8:26 PM, Rae Buerckner wrote:

You might want to read this and think about uninstalling it ;) 
http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/does_google_have_rights_to_all.php


Just my 2 cents who had hired two lawyers to draft out policy/ 
copyrights/contact  for my business.


The first one basically copied and pasted one of his client's policy  
to mine and forgotten to replace the company's name to mine.


The second laywer whom I recently hired, did something similar.

They charged 3 times more than I charge my clients.  It finally hits  
me that I must work hard on improving my English and learn to write  
the contract myself.


Maybe google has a lawyer like the two I hired? :-)

tee

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Re: [WSG] resent- Google chrome... Coming very soon... [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2008-09-02 Thread Rae Buerckner
The list server is duplicating posts!

You might want to read it all before you decide it may be a mistake, doesn't
read like a mistake to me!

R

On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 1:44 PM, tee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



 On Sep 2, 2008, at 8:26 PM, Rae Buerckner wrote:

 You might want to read this and think about uninstalling it ;)
 http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/does_google_have_rights_to_all.php


 Just my 2 cents who had hired two lawyers to draft out
 policy/copyrights/contact  for my business.

 The first one basically copied and pasted one of his client's policy to
 mine and forgotten to replace the company's name to mine.

 The second laywer whom I recently hired, did something similar.

 They charged 3 times more than I charge my clients.  It finally hits me
 that I must work hard on improving my English and learn to write the
 contract myself.

 Maybe google has a lawyer like the two I hired? :-)

 tee

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Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon... [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2008-09-02 Thread Andrew Boyd
Tee,

my take on the legal stuff as it may apply to bloggers and other web content
providers:
http://onblogging.com.au/2008/09/03/does-google-own-my-blog-if-i-post-through-chrome

Cheers, Andrew

On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 1:39 PM, tee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 On Sep 2, 2008, at 8:26 PM, Rae Buerckner wrote:

 You might want to read this and think about uninstalling it ;)
 http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/does_google_have_rights_to_all.php


 Just my 2 cents who had hired two lawyers to draft out
 policy/copyrights/contact  for my business.

 The first one basically copied and pasted one of his client's policy to
 mine and forgotten to replace the company's name to min

 The second that I recently hired, did something similar.

 They charged 3 times more than I charge my clients.  It finally hits me
 that I must work hard on my English and learn to write the contact myself.

 Maybe google had a lawyer like the two I encountered? :-)

 tee

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Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon... [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2008-09-02 Thread Blake
Question: does Chrome actually record your browsing and send that
information back to Google or are people just freaking over nothing?

On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Andrew Boyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Tee,

 my take on the legal stuff as it may apply to bloggers and other web content
 providers:
 http://onblogging.com.au/2008/09/03/does-google-own-my-blog-if-i-post-through-chrome

 Cheers, Andrew


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Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon... [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2008-09-02 Thread Anton Babushkin
people are just freaking over nothing.

On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 4:07 PM, Blake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Question: does Chrome actually record your browsing and send that
 information back to Google or are people just freaking over nothing?

 On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Andrew Boyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Tee,
 
  my take on the legal stuff as it may apply to bloggers and other web
 content
  providers:
 
 http://onblogging.com.au/2008/09/03/does-google-own-my-blog-if-i-post-through-chrome
 
  Cheers, Andrew


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Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon... [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2008-09-02 Thread Rae Buerckner
If they don't have that functionality built in to chrome yet, they certainly
have written themselves a license to built that in whenever they want to.

R

On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 3:07 PM, Blake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Question: does Chrome actually record your browsing and send that
 information back to Google or are people just freaking over nothing?

 On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Andrew Boyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Tee,
 
  my take on the legal stuff as it may apply to bloggers and other web
 content
  providers:
 
 http://onblogging.com.au/2008/09/03/does-google-own-my-blog-if-i-post-through-chrome
 
  Cheers, Andrew


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Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon... [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2008-09-02 Thread Blake
Seems about par for the course.

On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 3:14 PM, Anton Babushkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 people are just freaking over nothing.


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