Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Accessibility coming very soon???
Adam Martin skrev: Hey guys... it is great that talk about accessibility and chrome has been raised - but I do think that we need to wait until it is out of beta. A beta is supposed to be feature complete. otherwoise it's an alpha. Lars Gunther *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Chrome JavaScript features - not speed
Concerning Chrome, I have some unanswered questions about V8. Exactly what JavaScript features does it support? (This is NOT a question about it's speed.) The release statememt simply says that it follows the EcmaScript 3.0 standard, but we all know that it is quirky in places and that current browsers deviate from it in some of those. With Mozilla leading the pack and Opera and Webkit/Squirrelfish following closely, there also are a slew of additions, a.k.a. JavaScript 1.6, 1.7, 1.8, etc. Has anyone tested if V8 supports things like: - Array extras - Getters and setters - Array and string generics - Generators and iterators - Expression closures - Array comprehensions - Block scope with let Etc Lars Gunther (No I've not had the time to test myself) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Chrome JavaScript features - not speed
Just playing around in the console..
On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 1:56 AM, Keryx Web [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Concerning Chrome, I have some unanswered questions about V8.
Exactly what JavaScript features does it support? (This is NOT a question
about it's speed.)
The release statememt simply says that it follows the EcmaScript 3.0
standard, but we all know that it is quirky in places and that current
browsers deviate from it in some of those. With Mozilla leading the pack and
Opera and Webkit/Squirrelfish following closely, there also are a slew of
additions, a.k.a. JavaScript 1.6, 1.7, 1.8, etc.
Has anyone tested if V8 supports things like:
- Array extras
It's got the Array extras from 1.6, but not 1.8 (reduce)
- Getters and setters
Yes, it's got those. Though strangely with __defineGetter__,
__defineSetter__, and array extras, and any other native function
I've tried, the toString function outputs actual source code instead
of just function () { [native code] } like most other
implementations. Not sure whether it's C code or javascript code in
the functions.
- Array and string generics
You can apply array functions to strings, if that's what you mean.
- Generators and iterators
Nope
- Expression closures
I don't know how you could have javascript without those. Pretty much
every website would break. Event handlers would be impossible.
- Array comprehensions
don't know
- Block scope with let
nope
Etc
Don't know about that either.
Lars Gunther
(No I've not had the time to test myself)
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Re: [WSG] Chrome JavaScript features - not speed
Breton Slivka skrev:
- Array and string generics
You can apply array functions to strings, if that's what you mean.
And vice versa
- Expression closures
I don't know how you could have javascript without those. Pretty much
every website would break. Event handlers would be impossible.
I mean the shorthand for function definitions in JavaScript 1.8:
function(x) x * x
=
function(x) { return x * x; }
http://ejohn.org/blog/javascript-18-progress/
From your writing it seems they are at 1.6 in their features, like
Opera and Safari, but ahead of MSIE 7 (I have not checked MSIE 8 for
this either).
Many thanks for your report!
Lars Gunther
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Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Accessibility coming very soon???
On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 3:33 AM, Keryx Web [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adam Martin skrev: Hey guys... it is great that talk about accessibility and chrome has been raised - but I do think that we need to wait until it is out of beta. A beta is supposed to be feature complete. otherwoise it's an alpha. Just clear up my understanding, folks; is Internet Explorer accessible because Microsoft builds the accessibility features, or because a third-party software vendor builds the features? I know Microsoft has been very good about building a number of user-friendly features into Windows, like the on-screen keyboard and OS-level magnifying tool, but I thought that all the screen readers and similar assistive devices were developed by third parties. If Google Chrome is really open source, then it seems that the same could be done for it, with a lot less expense than designing assistive software/devices for a proprietary browser. -- -- Christian Montoya christianmontoya.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Accessibility Help
Because it's HTML it's accessible. Ah, no, not always. If a web user has a cognitive disability, requiring them to perform a math function (cognitive ability) may be another accessibility barrier itself. YMMV, of course, depending upon the accessibility standard you wish to achieve, or you may be required to achieve under the law. Dennis Lapcewich USDA Forest Service Webmaster Pacific Northwest Region - Vancouver, WA 360-891-5024 - Voice | 360-891-5045 - Fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] People who say it cannot be done should not interrupt those who are doing it. -- Anonymous [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 09/04/2008 08:29:30 PM: Hey, I saw a funny one once. A site had a really basic math problem. Like 4x2 or something. Type in the answer and you submitted the form. Because it's HTML it's accessible. IceKat. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Accessibility coming very soon???
Hi Christian, Just clear up my understanding, folks; is Internet Explorer accessible because Microsoft builds the accessibility features The short answer is yes Details of the accessibility of internet Explorer can be found in the VPAT (voluntary product accessibility template) supplied by Microsoft: (http://download.microsoft.com/download/c/2/3/c23bc250-5f80-4d0c-a29d-877355ff91e8/IE7_VPAT%20version%201%200.doc) - word doc and the VPAT for Firefox 3 is available here: http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/vpat-3.html I have reproduced the relevant VPAT info for Internet Explorer 7 below: Section 1194.21 Software Applications and Operating Systems - Detail Voluntary Product Accessibility Template (a) When software is designed to run on a system that has a keyboard, product functions shall be executable from a keyboard where the function itself or the result of performing a function can be discerned textually. Supported with Exceptions: Windows Internet Explorer 7 supports all standard keyboard features of the user interface. Windows Internet Explorer 7 provides Help functionality that includes easily accessible reference guides for keyboard shortcuts. In addition, documentation on Keyboard Shortcut keys are available online: http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Windows/en-US/Help/fe192a3f-1401-4233-919e-cae97eca4c0c1033.mspx More documents on this subject can be found at: http://www.microsoft.com/enable/products/keyboard.aspx Windows Internet Explorer 7 provides a new user interface; keyboard users can use the Alt key to activate the classical menu. Exceptions: Windows Internet Explorer 7 browser arbitrary text content cannot be selected by the keyboard. Text can be selected by using a mouse or other pointing device. Windows Internet Explorer 7 supports all standard keyboard operation of the user interface. Java and in-page plug-ins for content such as Flash cannot be used with the keyboard so they must not be installed for keyboard-only users. The tab order skips over in-page objects completely, so form controls within them cannot be used without a mouse. (b) Applications shall not disrupt or disable activated features of other products that are identified as accessibility features, where those features are developed and documented according to industry standards. Applications also shall not disrupt or disable activated features of any operating system that are identified as accessibility features where the application programming interface for those accessibility features has been documented by the manufacturer of the operating system and is available to the product developer. Supported with Exceptions: Windows Internet Explorer 7 supports system StickyKeys, FilterKeys, MouseKeys, SerialKeys and ToggleKeys. Exceptions: Windows Internet Explorer 7 does not use the cursor width from the system setting. (c) A well-defined on-screen indication of the current focus shall be provided that moves among interactive interface elements as the input focus changes. The focus shall be programmatically exposed so that Assistive Technology can track focus and focus changes. Supported with Exceptions: Windows Internet Explorer 7 uses programming interfaces to expose the location of the focus indicator and Microsoft Active Accessibility(R) to expose its interface elements to assistive technologies. Microsoft Active Accessibility is a COM-based technology that improves the way accessibility aids work with applications running on the Microsoft Windows operating systems. It provides dynamic-link libraries that are incorporated into the operating system, as well as a COM interface and application programming elements that provide reliable methods for exposing information about user interface elements. Exceptions: The caret indication is neither visible nor programmatically exposed in read-only fields. (d) Sufficient information about a user interface element including the identity, operation and state of the element shall be available to Assistive Technology. When an image represents a program element, the information conveyed by the image must also be available in text. Supported: Windows Internet Explorer 7 user interface elements are exposed programmatically through native object models and programming interfaces such as Microsoft Active Accessibility. Standard Windows controls and interface elements automatically expose this information through Microsoft Active Accessibility. Labels are associated with controls, objects, icons and images in Internet Explorer user interface. (e) When bitmap images are used to identify controls, status indicators, or other programmatic elements, the meaning assigned to those images shall be consistent throughout an application's performance. Supported: Windows Internet Explorer 7 utilizes standard and consistent images throughout. (f) Textual information shall be provided through operating system functions for displaying text. The minimum
Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Accessibility coming very soon???
The short answer is yes Details of the accessibility of internet Explorer can be found in the VPAT (voluntary product accessibility template) supplied by Microsoft: (http://download.microsoft.com/download/c/2/3/c23bc250-5f80-4d0c-a29d-877355ff 91e8/IE7_VPAT%20version%201%200.doc) Thanks Steve! You can also download the VPAT word files for all of their products from their Section 508 VPATs for Microsoft products page here: http://www.microsoft.com/Industry/government/products/section508.mspx Search on the page for Internet Explorer 7.0 VPAT if you'd like the IE7 info as a 208k word file. Stimulating reading :) Russ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Petition to save John Slatin’s Accessibility Institute
I'm making my first steps regarding web accessibility, and today I was checking the RNIB.org.uk website when I found this news articlehttp://www.rnib.org.uk/wacblog/news/petition-to-save-john-slatin%E2%80%99s-accessibility-institute/in their blog. I quote: John Slatin, a respected member of the web accessibility community and former chair of the Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group, sadly passed away earlier this year leaving behind him the University of Texas Accessibility Institutehttp://www.utexas.edu/research/accessibility/ . Sadly UT want to close the Accessibility Institute which has been a centre of excellence for research and innovation in web accessibility. This would be a huge loss to the industry as the Accessibility Institute has contributed to the furtherance of web accessibility in many ways. You can read the rest of the news herehttp://www.rnib.org.uk/wacblog/news/petition-to-save-john-slatin%E2%80%99s-accessibility-institute/ . Sign the petition to save the Accessibility Institutehttp://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/SavetheInstitutetoday and tell anyone else who may be interested. Gonzalo González Mora PS: Sorry for my English but it's not my native language (I'm from Argentina), and this is the first discussion I open in the WSG so if I made any mistakes, please, point them out so that I can avoid them the next time. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Google chrome...
Has anyone noticed how Hotmail is 'unavailable' in Chrome?? Recommending one upgrades to either: IE, FF or Safari. Could this be a snub by Microsoft?? Innocent browser compatability issue? What's the opinion? Seconds out...Round 3 2008/9/5 Michael Horowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Because that is an intentional part of the way the system is designed. Read the comic for all the details http://www.google.com/googlebooks/chrome/index.html Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 Nancy Gill wrote: One thing I have noticed today is that it creates 3 different processes in the Task Manager to run one coyp of chrome. I have tested this several times with the Task Manager open and everytime I open the browser, I add three processes all named chrome. They vary from 5mb to 44mb of memory usage. I can't figure out why it has to load the process three times in order to run. Nancy - Original Message - From: kevin mcmonagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 2:42 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Google chrome... First i thought it felt unfinished, but then the minimal design grew on me. Very uncluttered. And drop down menus consolodate a lot of screen real estate. Well designed gui, all its needs now is firebug and id use it. And i like the incognito windows, thats a slick feature. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3416 (20080904) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- -- Marius G. Milcher Web Design IT Consultancy -- w: http://www.mariusmilcher.com e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] t: +44(0)7961 436 733 skype: mgmilcher -- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] best practices for using access keys
i've read the following two articles and i would entertain some feedback on using access keys. i'm slowly bringing my web site up to better accessibility standards and i have a few more things to do like add a skip nav link and access keys. any other articles and resources would be appreciated for both subjects. http://www.alistapart.com/articles/accesskeys/ http://www.sitepoint.com/article/accesskeys/ cheers, dwain -- Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] best practices for using access keys
On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 11:25 PM, dwain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i've read the following two articles and i would entertain some feedback on using access keys. i'm slowly bringing my web site up to better accessibility standards and i have a few more things to do like add a skip nav link and access keys. any other articles and resources would be appreciated for both subjects. http://www.alistapart.com/articles/accesskeys/ http://www.sitepoint.com/article/accesskeys/ cheers, dwain -- Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Hi Dwain, You might find this article interesting: http://www.rnib.org.uk/wacblog/articles/too-much-accessibility/too-too-much-accessibility-accesskeys/Make sure you read the comments, theres' some really good info there. Gonzalo González Mora *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Google chrome...
Check this Read the Book.. http://www.google.com/googlebooks/chrome/index.html Srini On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 4:14 AM, Nancy Gill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One thing I have noticed today is that it creates 3 different processes in the Task Manager to run one coyp of chrome. I have tested this several times with the Task Manager open and everytime I open the browser, I add three processes all named chrome. They vary from 5mb to 44mb of memory usage. I can't figure out why it has to load the process three times in order to run. Nancy - Original Message - From: kevin mcmonagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 2:42 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Google chrome... First i thought it felt unfinished, but then the minimal design grew on me. Very uncluttered. And drop down menus consolodate a lot of screen real estate. Well designed gui, all its needs now is firebug and id use it. And i like the incognito windows, thats a slick feature. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3416 (20080904) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Thanks, Srini Perumal User Interface / Web Standards Evangelist *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] best practices for using access keys
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dwain Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 7:25 PM To: web standards group Subject: [WSG] best practices for using access keys i've read the following two articles and i would entertain some feedback on using access keys. i'm slowly bringing my web site up to better accessibility standards and i have a few more things to do like add a skip nav link and access keys. any other articles and resources would be appreciated for both subjects. http://www.alistapart.com/articles/accesskeys/ http://www.sitepoint.com/article/accesskeys/ http://tjkdesign.com/articles/user_defined_accesskeys.asp -- Regards, Thierry | http://www.TJKDesign.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
