Re: [WSG] I need a professional eye.

2010-01-31 Thread PurencoolGmail
Thank you I have printed the email and have started to fix them. That is way more that I expected. But that is why I asked I need a professional eye On 30/01/10 17:06, Paul Novitski wrote: At 1/29/2010 08:36 PM, PurencoolGmail wrote: The site is www.purencool.com All I want to know is

Re: [WSG] I need a professional eye.

2010-01-31 Thread PurencoolGmail
thanks for your ideas On 30/01/10 18:21, David Laakso wrote: PurencoolGmail wrote: Hi everyone, I need a professional eye. I have been developing this site for two weeks (with help from this email group) and now that I think I have finished. All I want to know is there too much css? The

Re: [WSG] I need a professional eye.

2010-01-31 Thread PurencoolGmail
thank you do you mean the menu images? and I will look at the css On 30/01/10 18:55, tee wrote: The site is www.purencool.com I caught a border:hidden in one of the h1 elements. Not wanting to sound like a fool so I googled it first to see if this is something I have not learned to

Re: [WSG] I need a professional eye.

2010-01-31 Thread PurencoolGmail
I am trying to stear clear of jQuery so that I can learn javaScript Can you tell me what the error console says in firefox I don't have a mac On 31/01/10 06:12, jomali wrote: I tried your calculator example on Mac OSX 10.6 in Firefox, Safari and Chrome and it did not work in any of them.

Re: [WSG] I need a professional eye.

2010-01-31 Thread jomali
Reply below: On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 3:19 AM, PurencoolGmail purenc...@gmail.com wrote: I am trying to stear clear of jQuery so that I can learn javaScript That makes sense. However, I'm not sure it's ethical to market yourself as a Javascript programmer while you are only learning

Re: [WSG] Accessibility does not matter!

2010-01-31 Thread Jason Grant
@Dani Well observed. I am using WordPress presets here. Not had much time 'proving' my accessibility skills on Semantix Blog, however feel free to find such issues on Flexewebs.com. @Peter Mount I am not saying 'Accessibility does not matter!', I was asking a question rather. I don't have an

RE: [WSG] Accessibility does not matter!

2010-01-31 Thread Thierry Koblentz
From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Jason Grant Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 1:06 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Accessibility does not matter! @Matthew Pennell You are confused with the 'broken wrist' issue. If I have

Re: [WSG] Accessibility does not matter!

2010-01-31 Thread Jason Grant
@Thierry I think keyboard accessibility is relatively easy thing to implement as it tends to follow naturally if one uses even semi-decent semantic HTML. It's not 'expensive' to implement. I would deem every browser based solution a total fail if it didn't have keyboard accessibility supported.

Re: [WSG] Accessibility does not matter!

2010-01-31 Thread Andrew Stewart
Accessibility does matter, but I do think that many people on this list do get too close to the accessibility at all cost point of view. Lets take the example of google finance http://www.google.com/finance?q=gbpaud quite a cool site using flash and js to navigate quite a large amount of

Re: [WSG] Accessibility does not matter!

2010-01-31 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
On 31/01/2010 22:50, Andrew Stewart wrote: Whilst I think there are some silly impenetrable sites on the internet, I don't think web developers should really be that concerned with accessibility - not because it isn't worth it, but because we have hardly any power over what the user sees. The

RE: [WSG] Accessibility does not matter!

2010-01-31 Thread Thierry Koblentz
-Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Jason Grant Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 2:40 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Accessibility does not matter! @Thierry I think keyboard accessibility is

Re: [WSG] Accessibility does not matter!

2010-01-31 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
On 31/01/2010 21:05, Jason Grant wrote: Now for us to say that a solution costing £26M to develop, should have another £1M invested into accessibility (testing, implementing, etc.) is a bit of a far fetched argument to be honest. The way the given PLC looks at it is that 'we just won't employ

Re: [WSG] Accessibility does not matter!

2010-01-31 Thread Andrew Stewart
My point about OS/browsers is that they can easily adjust the colours displayed to the screen for the whole operating system, which makes the whole computer more useable by colour blind users. Which is a much better solution than spending hours removing reds/greens etc from your site

RE: [WSG] Accessibility does not matter!

2010-01-31 Thread Thierry Koblentz
From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Stewart Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 2:51 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Accessibility does not matter! Accessibility does matter, but I do think that many people on this list

Re: [WSG] Accessibility does not matter!

2010-01-31 Thread Andrew Stewart
Sorry to ask again, but please explain how the site could be made accessible whilst maintaining the same ease of use? On 1 Feb 2010, at 10:31, Thierry Koblentz wrote: From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Stewart Sent: Sunday, January

RE: [WSG] Accessibility does not matter!

2010-01-31 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 3:46 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Accessibility does not matter! Sorry to ask again, but please explain how the site could be made accessible whilst maintaining the same ease of use? The same ease of use?! Drop the mouse and give it a

Re: [WSG] Accessibility does not matter!

2010-01-31 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
On 31/01/2010 23:46, Andrew Stewart wrote: Sorry to ask again, but please explain how the site could be made accessible whilst maintaining the same ease of use? Step one: make the flash itself keyboard accessible http://www.google.com/search?q=flash+keyboard+access Kbd users can then tab from

Re: [WSG] Accessibility does not matter!

2010-01-31 Thread Jason Grant
@Thierry Why does Google not care about accessibility? Do they believe in 'Accessibility does not matter!' (rather than with ? at the end). Isn't their behaviour the same as Microsoft's with regards to HTML? Yes both of those mega-corporations are heavily involved in 'specifying the future HTML

Re: [WSG] Accessibility does not matter!

2010-01-31 Thread Jason Grant
And while we are on the topic of Google, their UX principles are as follows: http://www.google.com/corporate/ux.html Please pay attention to points 6 and 7 carefully. Thanks, Jason On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 12:24 AM, Jason Grant ja...@flexewebs.com wrote: @Thierry Why does Google not care about

Re: [WSG] Accessibility does not matter!

2010-01-31 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
On 31/01/2010 23:23, Andrew Stewart wrote: My point about OS/browsers is that they can easily adjust the colours displayed to the screen for the whole operating system, which makes the whole computer more useable by colour blind users. Which is a much better solution than spending hours removing

Re: [WSG] Accessibility does not matter!

2010-01-31 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
On 01/02/2010 00:24, Jason Grant wrote: @Thierry Why does Google not care about accessibility? Do they believe in 'Accessibility does not matter!' (rather than with ? at the end). Even large corporations can be as misguided as you, Jason. Isn't their behaviour the same as Microsoft's with

Re: [WSG] Accessibility does not matter!

2010-01-31 Thread Andrew Maben
Please let this be the final word... A On Jan 31, 2010, at 7:39 PM, Patrick H. Lauke wrote: On 01/02/2010 00:24, Jason Grant wrote: @Thierry Why does Google not care about accessibility? Do they believe in 'Accessibility does not matter!' (rather than with ? at the end). Even large

Re: [WSG] Accessibility does not matter!

2010-01-31 Thread Jason Grant
@Patrick You seem to be very 'touched' by these genuine remarks I am making. You should not jump to a (very wrong) conclusion that I don't know much about accessibility. I am very comfortable within the area having worked on making a major e-commerce site fully Web2.0 and AAA accessible and

Re: [WSG] Accessibility does not matter! ADMIN - THREAD CLOSED

2010-01-31 Thread Russ Weakley
This discussion has been at times interesting (where there was healthy exchange of info) and worrying (when personal criticisms were used instead of calm discussions). However, it looks like this thread has reached a point where we not gaining anything - just expressing disagreement. So,

RE: [WSG] Accessibility does not matter!

2010-01-31 Thread Thierry Koblentz
From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Jason Grant Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 4:24 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Accessibility does not matter! @Thierry Why does Google not care about accessibility? Do they believe in

Re: [WSG] Accessibility does not matter!

2010-01-31 Thread Felix Miata
On 2010/01/31 22:40 (GMT) Jason Grant composed: @Thierry [...] However I still feel that your examples are far fetched (i.e. unlikely). I don't, but I do think you're doing your best to rationalize compounding the difficulties that result from real-life accidents and disabilities, be they

[WSG] Assistance with flash example sites

2010-01-31 Thread Russ Weakley
Hi people, A colleague has just asked me for some examples of Flash sites: 1. examples of flash sites which are not keyboard accessible (and/or poor tab ordering) 2. examples of flash sites which ARE keyboard accessible 3. examples of flash sites which work well with screen readers (He is

[WSG] Div misbehaving in Safari

2010-01-31 Thread Jermayn Parker
Hi, I have inherited a website (http://www.koomaldreaming.com.au) with my new job and in Safari and Chrome 3.x I have the content div floating away from where it should be outside of the container div to the right. Any suggestions or help? Thanks in advance -- JP2 Designs

Re: [WSG] Assistance with flash example sites

2010-01-31 Thread Felix Miata
On 2010/02/01 14:52 (GMT+1100) Russ Weakley composed: A colleague has just asked me for some examples of Flash sites: 1. examples of flash sites which are not keyboard accessible (and/or poor tab ordering) I can't see any pattern to tab ordering on http://www.iontelevision.com/schedule.php

RE: [WSG] Assistance with flash example sites

2010-01-31 Thread Elizabeth Spiegel
Hi Russ http://www.monotone.com.au/ as far as I can see, no tab access at all. Elizabeth Spiegel Web editing 0409 986 158 GPO Box 729, Hobart TAS 7001 www.spiegelweb.com.au -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Russ

Re: [WSG] Div misbehaving in Safari

2010-01-31 Thread David Laakso
Jermayn Parker wrote: Hi, I have inherited a website (http://www.koomaldreaming.com.au) with my new job and in Safari and Chrome 3.x I have the content div floating away from where it should be outside of the container div to the right. Any suggestions or help? Corrections on the CSS

RE: [WSG] Assistance with flash example sites

2010-01-31 Thread Tatham Oddie
Hi Elizabeth, Once I give the Flash block on that site focus by clicking it, tabbing works fine. I couldn't find an alternative way of giving it focus. Thanks, Tatham Oddie au mob: +61 414 275 989, us cell: +1 213 422 7068, skype: tathamoddie, landline: +61 2 8011 3982, fax: +61 2 9475 5172

Re: [WSG] Assistance with flash example sites

2010-01-31 Thread David Laakso
Russ Weakley wrote: Hi people, A colleague has just asked me for some examples of Flash sites: 1. 2. 3. Russ 4. Mousetype. http://www.universalsprout.com/ ~d -- desktop http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ mobile http://chelseacreekstudio.mobi/