Re: [WSG] Site for Vision Impaired

[Chad Kelly]

- Original Message - 
From: "Shawn Henry" 

To: 
Cc: "Daniel Anderson" 
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 2:21 AM
Subject: Re: [WSG] Site for Vision Impaired



On 11/26/2010 5:25 PM, Daniel Anderson wrote:
I was wondering if any of you have done any work on sites for the 
visually impaired? I have just started a projet for a school for the 
visually impaired...
What are the considerations I need to take into account with a project 
like this? eg ability to change contrast, text size etc? Are there any 
good resources or advice you could share with me?


Hi Daniel,

The definitive resource for making websites and web applications 
accessible is the Web Content Accessibility Guidelines (WCAG) 2.0 from the 
W3C Web Accessibility Initiative. It is introduced in the WCAG Overview 
at:

* http://www.w3.org/WAI/intro/wcag
From that page you can get to:
* WCAG 2 at a Glance  which gives 
you a quick overview
* How to Meet WCAG 2.0  which you 
can customize to show you the information you are interested in


WCAG is a technical standard that can be used as a checklist to ensure 
that you are covering all accessibility issues. WCAG itself is *not* an 
introduction to accessibility, nor a simple tutorial. You'll need to get 
that elsewhere.


Here are some places to start:
* Accessibility - W3C 

* How People with Disabilities Use the Web 
 which links to the 
in-progress draft at http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/Drafts/PWD-Use-Web/2009/
* Involving Users in Web Projects for Better, Easier Accessibility 



I think that last doc will be especially important for your situation! It 
helps you understand real-world accessibility issues, such as how your 
target users will use the website.
Yes, all that is good advice, also if your not already doing so, learn about 
CSS and separating mark-up and presentation as it makes writing accessible 
websites much easier.
As screen readers don't need to wade through a bunch of tables and 
presentation specific mark-up.
Also, use headings properly, eg don't just use a heading to make content 
larger, use a CSS class for that.




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Re: [WSG] alt text on email graphic

[Chad Kelly]

- Original Message - 
From: "cat soul" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 11:03 AM
Subject: [WSG] alt text on email graphic


The technique of using a graphic to communicate an email address in  order 
to foil spiders or harvesters, like this:



bob at domain dot com

seems pretty clever. Yet, when I think about the alt text for that  image, 
I'm wondering if that alt text could be exploited by spiders...


would it be good to handle it this way:



and leave it at that?  for those who really use alt text, might they  be 
short changed by not seeing or hearing:




or am I making mountains out of molehills here?

cs



Hmm, using alt text on an image, or rather using an image at all for this is 
rather pointless.
As, you can't use alt text as a screen reader won't be able to read the 
image content, and if you use alt text spam bots will pick up the content 
and spam the address.
The only way you can do it properly, is by either just place the email 
strait on the page as a text link, and have some decent spam filtering to 
get rid of the crap that comes through, or the better way is to use a form.
You can't use an image capcha though as they are not accessible, so you need 
to be a bit creative with the use of capcha.
Or just program the form script properly and have a decent web security 
set-up on your web server.





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Re: [WSG] alt text on email graphic

[Chad Kelly]

- Original Message - 
From: "cat soul" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: [WSG] alt text on email graphic




On Nov 29, 2010, at 9:10 PM, Grant Bailey wrote:


This article might also help:

http://www.alistapart.com/articles/spam/



wow...


wonder why the author didn't suggest the form method?


cs



Not really sure, but I think the form method is a much better way of doing 
it then wrapping things in JS.

It avoids a lot of accessibility issues.



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Re: [WSG] Order of Tags within (XHTML)

[Chad Kelly]

- Original Message - 
From: ""G.Sørtun"" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: [WSG] Order of Tags within  (XHTML)



On 15.12.2010 03:31, Michal Miksik wrote:
I was advised by an SEO company that : "The Title tag should be the first 
tag in the  area of the web pages, otherwise search engines may 
overlook it which will significantly damage the rankings."


Someone must be seriously underestimating search engines, or have other 
reasons for saying that.


What is the best practice/order for placing tags withing the  
section?


The following looks pretty alright to me...

- meta(s)
- title
- links
- style(s)
- script(s)

...and shouldn't cause "loss of attention" in search engines or browsers.

regards


Exactly.
Search bots are quite smart now a days, and lets be honest, a lot of 
so-called SEO experts are just snake oil salesman.
They will make up a load of crap and charge you $899 per hour for the 
privaledge of telling you it.




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Re: [WSG] Order of Tags within (XHTML)

[Chad Kelly]

Exactly.
Search bots are quite smart now a days, and lets be honest, a lot of 
so-called SEO experts
I thought I should just follow up the above comment, by saying that organic 
SEO is quite ok, such as the correct use of title tags, eg not filling them 
with just keywords and making sure they describe what page your on, such as 
yourwebsitename-Homepage.
But I don't think the order of the head tags really comes into it. The order 
of other tags / sections of the HTML / XHTML might though, as a well 
structured page will be both readable by search engine bots as well as other 
devices, such as screen.




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Re: [WSG] disallow IE6 to load the main style sheet

[Chad Kelly]

- Original Message - 
From: "Erickson, Kevin (DOE)" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 7:51 AM
Subject: RE: [WSG] disallow IE6 to load the main style sheet


Yes. Thank you Felix! "best viewed" works much better. And then throw in
the fact that IE 6 was first release around 2001 and ask them if they
even care if they can see a site in a "best viewed" fashion. I am
thinking they are not. ;-) j/k.
All's good.

I know of some work places still useing Windows 2000.
Or rather, I have read that they have rolled back to it, after some 
applications and the like wouldn't run on XP, which means that IE6 is about 
the only thing they can run on Windows2000, unless they use Firefox, or some 
other browser.

As I don't think IE7 and 8 run on Win2K.
I also know that a lot of workplaces are swiching to Vista though, so with 
all these different versions of Windows floating around the place, and with 
MS still not dropping official support for IE6 untill 2014 it is rather 
anoying.
All that said, I don't test in IE6 anymore and have not done so for a year 
or so.




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Re: [WSG] screen reader friendly and keyboard accessible popup?

[Chad Kelly]

On 2/23/2011 9:20 PM, tee wrote:

Please take a look at this example. The first example is keyboard accessible 
however I am also concern with the empty link that may create extra noise for 
screen reader, e.g if every single page has a popup, it will have two empty 
links, one is the popup trigger and the other the close link. Sure it's just 
two empty links, as I started using VoiceOver more frequent to test the sites, 
I find the two links quite annoying.

http://jsbin.com/efimu5

Is there a much better approach that works great for both keyboard and screen reader user? Was 
looking up the "keypress" and "focus" events, but not certain they are good for 
such function.

Pop-ups are a hard thing to get correct for accessibility.
As is the case for everything else some screen readers handle them 
better then others.





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Re: [WSG] screen reader friendly and keyboard accessible popup?

[Chad Kelly]

On 2/23/2011 10:37 PM, Foskett, Mike wrote:

Just a few thoughts.

It would be better if the keyboard link had an id reference in it.

 pop-up

And the associated div had an id:

 ...

The close link references the opening link:

 Close

Also shift the pop-up off-screen rather than display:none

 #popup1 {position: absolute; left:-500em; top:0}

Or at very least check JavaScript is enabled before hiding it using display:none

 .hasJS #popup1 {display:none}

Add the .hasJS class to the html element like so:

 /**/

Which should be the first line in the head section.



I don't think hiding the display of the pop up will be necessary, as 
mobile device users could use the keyboard functionality as well.




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Re: [WSG] Colour Schemes for Accessibility

[Chad Kelly]

On 5/10/2011 1:50 AM, Carl Heaton wrote:

Dear WSG,

I am currently consulting for the Social Development Division for 
ESCAP United Nations and my team and I are re-making 
http://www.unescap.org/sdd/


The question I have is that has anyone got any tried and tested colour 
schemes that dyslexic and colour blind users prefer? I have done my 
homework and see lots of contrasts that give the best results but no 
actual colour codes.


Love to hear your ideas.

Kind regards,





Hi.
In terms of this, white text on a black background is what some people 
prefer, but black text on a white background is proven to be the most 
readable according to some research that was done.
In terms of colour schemes it comes down to your branding strategy, but 
the best way is to test a few out with various people with disabilities, 
of various kinds to make sure items are readable.




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Re: [WSG] RE: Looking for an authority on RTF [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

[Chad Kelly]

On 6/3/2011 11:30 AM, Freckmann, Martin wrote:


Thanks to those who responded to my request. I've combined my comments 
into this reply to save on traffic.


Ø*From:*li...@webstandardsgroup.org 
[mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] *On Behalf Of *Litchfield Sharon

*Sent:* Tuesday, 24 May 2011 3:18 PM

ØWhat about ...

ØVision Australia: Accessible electronic documents 
(http://www.visionaustralia.org/info.aspx?page=780)


ØDefinitely NOT hearsay or folklore!

Thanks for the link, Sharon. But it is a bit folkloric, actually, in 
that it's a simple assertion rather than a detailed explanation. The 
same result is achieved with a properly-structured Word 97-2003 
document. Conversion to RTF often trades one set of accessibility 
issues for another.



No, RTF is generally used instead of the .docx format that is pumped out 
by later versions of MS Word.
So really you could use either RTF or .doc, and both will work with 
Openoffice. They can also be made to be accessible.
For that matter even modern PDF's providing they are produced as text 
based PDFs can be accessible as addobie have done a lot of work to make 
them accessible.
I like using PDF as you can keep branding in tact and the document can't 
be edited by mistake.




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Re: [WSG] Google Les Paul tribute

[Chad Kelly]

On 6/9/2011 9:23 PM, ben kahans wrote:
Yeah, I was blown away and can now play happy birthday and other 3 
chord songs without even picking up the guitar. Looked like flash but 
no, looks to me like all dom programming


Strings must be hit areas toggling animated gifs and triggering mp3s - 
framework? - no  - or something or something  -  I reckon it's a 
worthy discussion for WSG
I have heard a lot of these animated Google logo's are just animated 
gifs with javascript tohandle the mouse overs.

It does not work without JS enabled, it just shows a standard image.



O




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Re: [WSG] CSS2.1 now an official recommendation

[Chad Kelly]

On 6/17/2011 6:03 PM, Grant Bailey wrote:

Hello,

I can barely believe that CSS2.1 has only just become an official 
recommendation (see 
http://www.css3.info/css2-1-and-the-css3-color-module-become-official-w3c-recommendations/).


Could anyone explain why this took so long? Many of us are already 
using CSS3!


Seems to me that speeding the process of approval along (just a 
little) might encourage browser vendors to comply with web standards ...


Insights would be appreciated.

Kind regards,

Grant Bailey



This all has to do with the large corporates on the W3C working groups.
Microsoft as well as IBM and others all have representation.



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Re: [WSG] Accessibility Testing

[Chad Kelly]

Hi
Your best bet would be to look at the tools provided by Vision Australia 
visionaustralia.org under accessible solutions.

They have a free toolbar you can download.
I am also looking at providing web accessibility testing services as a 
part of the services offered by CPK Web Services. Would anyone be 
interested in that kind of a service?



On 6/25/2011 2:15 AM, Spellacy, Michael wrote:

Hi WSG Friends!

The company I work for is considering dropping WatchFire for testing
because of the price. I'm really concerned about not being able to test
code against specific accessibility guidelines like WCAG 1.0 or 2.0. Do
any of you know of any cheaper (or free) applications that do just as
good a job?

Thanks in advance for any recommendations you may have!

Regards,
Spell

Michael Spellacy
Lead User Interface Developer
TMP Worldwide Advertising&  Communications, LLC
125 Broad Street, 10th Floor
New York, NY 10004
www.tmp.com



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Re: [WSG] Accessibility Testing

[Chad Kelly]

Hi all.
I also believe the team who designed the web accessibility toolbar for 
IE have also done one for Opera.


On 6/25/2011 1:39 PM, Andrew Boyd wrote:
There's a range of code level checker options available as add ons for 
FF, and some web based options.


Andrew Boyd faci...@gmail.com <mailto:faci...@gmail.com>
http://uxbookclub.org -- connect, read, discuss


On 25/06/2011, at 8:36 AM, Jim Croft <mailto:jim.cr...@gmail.com>> wrote:


The Visionaustralia accessibility toolbar looks interesting but only 
works on Windows and IE5 and above. This could hardly be described as 
a 'web srandards compliant' application.


Has anything been done that is platform independent or for Mac or Linux?

Jim

[Mobile]

On 25/06/2011 4:32 AM, "Doug Burt" <mailto:flyin...@shaw.ca>> wrote:

> Hey Gang,
>
> I just downloaded the visonaustralia.org 
<http://visonaustralia.org> toolbar offered there, seems to
> work great and caught a batch of errors I thought were gone after 
using
> another validation program. Neat find Chad, thanks for passing it 
along it's

> a great resource...
>
> Cheers,
> Doug Burt
>
> -Original Message-
>
> On Behalf Of Chad Kelly
> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 12:40 PM
> To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org <mailto:wsg@webstandardsgroup.org>
> Subject: Re: [WSG] Accessibility Testing
>
> Hi
> Your best bet would be to look at the tools provided by Vision 
Australia

>
> visionaustralia.org <http://visionaustralia.org> under accessible 
solutions.

> They have a free toolbar you can download.
> I am also looking at providing web accessibility testing services as a
> part of the services offered by CPK Web Services. Would anyone be
> interested in that kind of a service?
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Re: [WSG] Breaking validation using noscript - Is there a solution?

[Chad Kelly]

On 7/14/2011 11:03 PM, Joseph Taylor wrote:
Not sure what to recommend for the noscript tag - Frank's idea is 
pretty good.


Just a thought, is the error really critical if it works? Using XHTML 
Strict, you're gonna have a tough time making the validator happy.


Nice job on the Tesco site by the way. Real nice. I especially like 
the two sections of links with changing images - that's just badass!


*Joseph R. B. Taylor*
/Web Designer/Developer/

Just on the  tag, isn't it meant to be used within the JS 
itself and I am quite sure it is deprecated. Which means you would need 
to use a transitional doctype.

Regards Chad.


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Re: [WSG] How do you cater to users with disabilities? [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

[Chad Kelly]

  
  
On 8/24/2011 10:29 AM, karen.cony...@immi.gov.au wrote:

  
   Hi Mike, 

Please forgive me if I am being repetitive as I have not read
all of the replies to your question. 

I have worked in commonwealth government for several years, so
can only give you a perspective from that angle. All
commonwealth and State Government departments must now comply
with the National Transition Strategy which was released by
AGIMO in June 2010 (available from the AGIMO site). Most
Government agencies have teams working on becoming compliant
with the Strategy. 

That I am aware of, the ATO, Immigration and Centrelink have had
Usability centres, labs and Accessibility teams for many years
not only to enable ease of use of their web sites and web
applications by people using assistive software - both
internally (employees) and externally (clients) - but making
them generally more usable to all members of the community and
staff. 


Regards, Karen Conyers


"> "Mike Kear"
 



  

  

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  Sent by: li...@webstandardsgroup.org
   23/08/2011 05:53 PM

  

  
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  disabilities?

  


  
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 The conclusion I am coming to, with 5 days since I asked
  this and no-one
  actually saying they do ANYTHING to cater for people with
  disabilities, is
  that even after all this time, no one really spends much time
  thinking about
  users with special needs, other than to code to standards and
  hope that does
  the trick. 
  
  No one either agreed or disagreed with the proposition that
  sticking to
  standards IS in fact enough.
  
  I asked this question, wondering if someone would say 'yes we
  have a
  usability lab' or 'we have a consultant who runs our sites
  through his
  screen reader for us' or 'we have meetings before launch
  specifically to
  discuss' or something. But no one has said they do anything at
  all for
  users with disability.
  
  The only responses I've had to this question are people
  referring me to
  documents on line that I found long ago with google. I was
  interested that
  none of the people who gave me those URLS (except Josh Street)
  said they
  actually used the advice in the documents themselves. Josh
  wasn't specific
  about how he caters to people with special needs, but seems to
  speak with
  some knowledge so I'm assuming he caters to Dyslexics in his
  designs.
  
  I guess it's going to take another law suit like that one
  against the
  Olympics2000 site to get anyone to take users with special
  needs seriously
  and actually lift a finger to cater to their needs.
  
  The conclusion I'm being forced towards is that developers are
  basically
  saying that users with special needs will have to swim for
  themselves and
  it's up to them to find some software of their own to g

Re: [WSG] web accessibility with adobe tools

[Chad Kelly]

On 8/25/2011 7:44 AM, Marvin Hunkin wrote:

hi.
well trying to use adobe online system is a bit of a pain, and having 
to jump via hoops.

so did find their number in australia.
so will rin on friday, and see what they say about accessibility in 
their tools.

marvin.



I don't have Jaws anymore but I have Window-eyes and NVDA.
Does the course have a specific requirement for the Addie software, as 
you could probably get away with HTML-Kit or some other text editor.
The tricky part with the Adobe tools is that they are designed to be 
integrated with the graphics editors which is ok if you want to throw a 
design together in Photoshop and code it up.

No good for application / back-end development work though.

Regards Chad.



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Re: [WSG] media queries can't understand body tag

[Chad Kelly]

Call the other media such as print from an external style sheet.
That should fix the issue.

On 9/19/2011 1:34 AM, tee wrote:

Hmmm, media queries can't understand body tag; a id or class for the tag is 
needed. Spec on W3C site doesn't indicate though as I see example like so:

@media all { body { background:lime } }

A browser bug?

Tee

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Re: [WSG] jQuery accessibility

[Chad Kelly]

On 10/10/2011 2:02 PM, Grant Bailey wrote:

Hello everyone,

Could someone please clarify whether a site built with jQuery is 
consistent with web standards and accessibility, assuming that the 
jQuery components: (i) degrade gracefully; and (ii) are not necessary 
for essential functions (such as navigation).


I would be grateful for responses as I am confused about screen 
reading software: I thought these ignored Javascript but apparently, 
some are Javascript-capable. Moreover, as Filament Group point out (in 
this article 
 
about collapsible panels), many blind users expect a fully-functioning 
website.


Is accessibility normally built in to jQuery or must we add it 
ourselves (as Filament Group did)?


I would be grateful for any responses.

Hi Grant.
Generally no you need to add the extra functionality to make the website 
accessible as Jquery takes the focus from the main content of the 
website and hides it so the Jquery content is in focus, so you need to 
make sure all your on focus content has keyboard functions built into it.





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Re: [WSG] Accessibility With Moodle

[Chad Kelly]

On 10/22/2011 1:45 PM, Marvin Hunkin wrote:

hi.
using jaws 12.0.1170 and jaws 13.0.241.
and doing a online diploma in website development from 
http://wsi.tafensw.edu.au, and they use http://wwwmoodle.org

which is not very accessible with jaws.
i have e-mailed support at  supp...@moodle.org about that jaws 12 and 
13, in firefox, does not read some of the content after a while, and 
just says blank.

and it has javascript, or java submenus, and jaws gets stuck on that.
firefox 7.0, was really bad, and after a while had to try internet 
explorer 9.
and it read the content a little better, but a couple of times, got 
stuck on the submenu.
This has little to do with the software and more to do with how the Tafe 
has designed the template to interact with the software.
Moodle is just like any other Content Management System in that you can 
configure templates to work with it.

You will need to log a ticket with the IT Services department at the tafe.
Regards Chad.



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Re: [WSG] Accessibility With Moodle

[Chad Kelly]

On 10/22/2011 5:07 PM, Grant Bailey wrote:

Hi Marvin,

Thanks for your post. I'm interested in reading the other replies.

I would have thought that accessibility was a priority for Moodle. It 
is widely used now. Certainly a matter of relevance for persons 
considering whether to use it as their LMS.


Regards,

Grant Bailey


I think it will be the theme they are using and or that they have designed.



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Re: [WSG] Story Boards

[Chad Kelly]

On 10/24/2011 3:47 PM, Marvin Hunkin wrote:

hi.
well.
i am building a complex blindness related site.
and now doing this via http://wsi.tafensw.edu.au
and now, there is a accessible drawing tool called svg draw 01
from dick baldwin.
he is a computer science professor at washington state university.
so, how to use this tool.
to layout my page elements, links, buttons, frames, headings, etc.
using jaws.
and then how to visualise all the coordinates.
able to create lines, shapes, etc, via a wizard.
this is a java based application.
and it works, well without using the java access bridge.
so, any ideas, trick, tips, how to get this done.
as part of the design process.
and also, another question.
which colours work best for low vision users, and as i am totally 
blind, but did have sight when i was younger, so which colours, look 
the best, and also how to visually line out the pages, for this design 
process.

if any one has got any ideas.
for accessibility, let me know.
marvin.


Well the visualization part might be a bit difficult given you're lack 
of vision.
That said, the story board tool might be able to help a bit with that, 
but I have never used it so can't say for sure.
I have a bit of an advantage in that I have low vision so I can see 
colours and the like, probably a stupid question but just in case i'll 
ask it anyway.
Do you're tutors know that you have a vision impairment and have you 
spoken to the disability officer or whatever job title they have at the 
tafe? As they will probably be able to give you a bit more direct 
assistance particularly with the OLS Online Learning System issues that 
you were describing the other day.
It is just that if they are marking you on the visuals and they don't 
know of you're situation they will give you a crap mark and i'm not sure 
what the policy would be with allowing other people to work on the 
project, some institutions won't allow it if the project is meant to be 
individual.
Oh and some people in education can still be harsh markers even if they 
do understand you're situation.





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Re: [WSG] Breaks within table cells

[Chad Kelly]

On 11/23/2011 10:53 PM, Russ Weakley wrote:

Option 1:

Try making the two chunks of content into two individual paragraphs within the 
one cell. It is not the most ideal semantics, though it could be argued that 
they are two short paragraphs  :)

Depending on how the margins have been defined for your paragraphs, this should 
give you 1em of margin below each paragraph. If not, you could always set a 
rule like:

td p { margin: 0 0 1em; }
or
td p { margin: 1em 0; }

or if you want it to be more specific:

.Table_Text p { margin: 0 0 1em; }
or
.Table_Text p { margin: 1em 0; }




Why not use a list within the table as it is a list of items.



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Re: [WSG] Breaks within table cells

[Chad Kelly]

On 11/24/2011 1:29 AM, Grant Bailey wrote:

A brilliant suggestion that worked perfectly. Thank you very much Chad!

Kind regards,

Grant Bailey


Not a problem Grant.
Regards Chad.



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Re: [WSG] php my admin

[Chad Kelly]

On 11/27/2011 8:05 PM, Marvin Hunkin wrote:

hi.
if any one is using the wamp server, and php my admin.
firefox was a real pain, and got stuck on some of the edit boxes, so 
had to set my default programs to internet explorer.

in windows 7, professional 32 bit, and jaws 13.
now.
did manage to create a database, a table, four fields, then enter data.
so how to navigate the screens and the different tabs in php my admin.
any ideas.
i do have a question.  can i enbmed a php script in sql management 
studio express 2008.

Marvin.


*

I have no idea of that SQL software.
Your best bet is to use a text editor and write your PHP scripts using 
that as you can add data to the tables in the database with a PHP script.
Jaws should generally be able to work with most text editors I know 
HTML-Kit works with it.




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Re: [WSG] Content div sticking out the side of container div

[Chad Kelly]

On 12/3/2011 1:42 PM, Stevio wrote:
Somehow I do not seem to have come across this problem before. I have 
two divs, one contained within the other. If the viewport of the 
browser is resized to be smaller than the contents of the inner div, 
the inner div sticks out the side of the outer container div, which 
continues to resize with the browser.


Surely the outer div should stop shrinking when it reaches the width 
of its inner div, even if the viewport continues to be shrunk?


How can I fix this so that the outer div will not become any smaller 
than the width of its inner div, when the width of the inner div will 
be unknown?


Here is example code that illustrates this. In my example, the inner 
div is set to a fixed width, but for the web site I am developing, I 
will not know the width of the inner div.




Test

Re: [WSG] Flash Professional Accessibility With Jaws

[Chad Kelly]

On 12/13/2011 1:35 PM, Marvin Hunkin wrote:

Hi.
well maybe andrew kirk patrick can shed light.
the only inaccessible program in the adobe cs 5.5 web premium, apart 
from the drawing programs, fireworks, illustrator, photo shop, cs 5.5 
flash professional.

not really that accessible.

Frankly I am not surprised.
All those tools you mention are made mostly anyway for graphic designers 
and front end developers.
In other words they are all visual tools that are designed for making 
visual presentations.

You should not need to use any of them for web development.


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Re: [WSG] Possibly the best CSS framework ever?

[Chad Kelly]

No need to use a CSS framework.
It is not that hard to style things in CSS once you get the hang of it.
Besides it is easier if you actually write less CSS to style a list of 
links as an example because if you go overboard with styling stuff you 
end up with clashes in your CSS and that can make things harder when 
re-designing.


On 4/1/2012 1:27 PM, Russ Weakley wrote:

You have probably seen all sorts of CSS frameworks over the years...
but is this the best CSS framework ever?
http://morecss.org/

:)
Russ




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Re: [WSG] Possibly the best CSS framework ever?

[Chad Kelly]

On 4/1/2012 3:05 PM, Russ Weakley wrote:

It's April 1st here in Australia  :)



Yes, I am well aware of that.
Did not put two and two together.
:p



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Re: [WSG] Complex navigation - semantics & tab order

[Chad Kelly]

On 7/18/2012 3:23 PM, Ben Zeller wrote:

Hi all,
On a current project we are debating the best way to construct our 
main navigation in an accessible & keyboard friendly format.

The navigation consists of three levels - primary, secondary, tertiary.

Navigation will be arranged in a horizontal tabbed format where only 
the first level will be visible on the home page.
Upon visiting a primary content page, the secondary navigation will be 
visible below the primary nav, with the tertiary navigation available 
via dropdowns.


Our initial thought was to use a structure that works semantically, by 
nesting all three levels in the same menu. (eg. 
http://www.stgeorge.com.au/ )

*Pro*: Semantic markup, all levels have relationship.
*Con*: User must tab through all secondary/tertiary links (we have 
many!) before navigating to the remaining primary links:



If you are going to have page specific menus you are probably better off 
not using drop down menus, as that might get a bit complex and those are 
meant for groups of information such as about us menus where you might 
have a company profile etc.
You are probably better off having the page specific menus in a separate 
column.





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