Re: [WSG] utf8 character display problem
Many thanks Andrew Nick Andrew Cunningham wrote: Richard Ishida's i18n checker is a useful tool for this type of case. Available at http://rishida.net/tools/i18nchecker/index.php Rimantas Liubertas wrote: Here's the issue: We are working on a site that incorporates Russian text. It displays OK on our development server, but when transferring the files to the live server we get garbled output. … However, the same file uploaded to the live server displays the last menu item incorrectly: http://www.imperial-russian-dating.com/utf8-test.php The file has been saved as utf8 encoded in the editor (Komodo) and then uploaded to each server. Any ideas ? There are headers sent by your live server: Connection:close Content-Length:862 Content-Type:text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Date:Tue, 07 Jul 2009 16:22:43 GMT Server:Apache/2.2.3 (CentOS) X-Powered-By:PHP/5.1.6 Take a look at Content-Type header: it specifies charset as iso-8859-1. Charset specified in HTTP has preference over charset in META. If you have access to your server configuration look for AddDefaultCharset directive in Apache config. You can either change it to UTF or comment it out. Regards, Rimantas -- http://rimantas.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- Nick Roper partner logical elements innovative web and internet solutions zend/php mysql approved partner email: nro...@logical.co.uk phone: +44 (0)1749 676798 mobile: +44 (0)7590 538686 web: www.logical.co.uk skype: nick.roper / +44 20 7870 9587 logical elements, 34, Chamberlain St, Wells, Somerset, BA5 2PJ, UK --- IMPORTANT This communication is to be treated as confidential and the information in it may not be used or disclosed except for the purpose for which it has been sent. If you have reason to believe that you are not the intended recipient of this communication, please contact the sender immediately. Any views or opinions expressed in this email may not be those of Logical Elements. WARNING Computer viruses can be transmitted by E-Mail. The recipient should check this E-Mail and any attachments for the presence of viruses. Logical Elements accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this E-Mail. This E-mail and any attachments may not be copied or forwarded without the express permission of Logical Elements. In the event of any unauthorised copying or forwarding, the recipient will be required to indemnify Logical Elements against any claim for loss or damage caused by any viruses or otherwise. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] utf8 character display problem
Hi All, Not sure if this is the correct group to post this to, so feel free to point me elsewhere. Here's the issue: We are working on a site that incorporates Russian text. It displays OK on our development server, but when transferring the files to the live server we get garbled output. For example, the following test file on the development server incorporates Russian text into a menu: http://dev.logical.co.uk/imperial-russian-beta/utf8-test.php However, the same file uploaded to the live server displays the last menu item incorrectly: http://www.imperial-russian-dating.com/utf8-test.php The file has been saved as utf8 encoded in the editor (Komodo) and then uploaded to each server. Any ideas ? Thanks, Nick -- Nick Roper partner logical elements logical elements, 34, Chamberlain St, Wells, Somerset, BA5 2PJ, UK --- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] utf8 character display problem
Hi Rimantas, Ah, very useful to know, many thanks for that. The problem is that the site is on a shared server, so we may not be able to edit the Apache config file, but maybe I can use PHP to send a header instead? Regards, Nick Rimantas Liubertas wrote: Here's the issue: We are working on a site that incorporates Russian text. It displays OK on our development server, but when transferring the files to the live server we get garbled output. … However, the same file uploaded to the live server displays the last menu item incorrectly: http://www.imperial-russian-dating.com/utf8-test.php The file has been saved as utf8 encoded in the editor (Komodo) and then uploaded to each server. Any ideas ? There are headers sent by your live server: Connection:close Content-Length:862 Content-Type:text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Date:Tue, 07 Jul 2009 16:22:43 GMT Server:Apache/2.2.3 (CentOS) X-Powered-By:PHP/5.1.6 Take a look at Content-Type header: it specifies charset as iso-8859-1. Charset specified in HTTP has preference over charset in META. If you have access to your server configuration look for AddDefaultCharset directive in Apache config. You can either change it to UTF or comment it out. Regards, Rimantas -- http://rimantas.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- Nick Roper partner logical elements innovative web and internet solutions zend/php mysql approved partner email: nro...@logical.co.uk phone: +44 (0)1749 676798 mobile: +44 (0)7590 538686 web: www.logical.co.uk skype: nick.roper / +44 20 7870 9587 logical elements, 34, Chamberlain St, Wells, Somerset, BA5 2PJ, UK --- IMPORTANT This communication is to be treated as confidential and the information in it may not be used or disclosed except for the purpose for which it has been sent. If you have reason to believe that you are not the intended recipient of this communication, please contact the sender immediately. Any views or opinions expressed in this email may not be those of Logical Elements. WARNING Computer viruses can be transmitted by E-Mail. The recipient should check this E-Mail and any attachments for the presence of viruses. Logical Elements accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this E-Mail. This E-mail and any attachments may not be copied or forwarded without the express permission of Logical Elements. In the event of any unauthorised copying or forwarding, the recipient will be required to indemnify Logical Elements against any claim for loss or damage caused by any viruses or otherwise. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] utf8 character display problem
Hey Rimantas, I added a line of PHP code as follows: ?php header(Content-Type:text/html; charset=UTF-8); ? and it works fine now. I also installed Live Headers in FF for future debugging. Many thanks for that. Cheers, Nick Rimantas Liubertas wrote: Here's the issue: We are working on a site that incorporates Russian text. It displays OK on our development server, but when transferring the files to the live server we get garbled output. … However, the same file uploaded to the live server displays the last menu item incorrectly: http://www.imperial-russian-dating.com/utf8-test.php The file has been saved as utf8 encoded in the editor (Komodo) and then uploaded to each server. Any ideas ? There are headers sent by your live server: Connection:close Content-Length:862 Content-Type:text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Date:Tue, 07 Jul 2009 16:22:43 GMT Server:Apache/2.2.3 (CentOS) X-Powered-By:PHP/5.1.6 Take a look at Content-Type header: it specifies charset as iso-8859-1. Charset specified in HTTP has preference over charset in META. If you have access to your server configuration look for AddDefaultCharset directive in Apache config. You can either change it to UTF or comment it out. Regards, Rimantas -- http://rimantas.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- Nick Roper partner logical elements innovative web and internet solutions zend/php mysql approved partner email: nro...@logical.co.uk phone: +44 (0)1749 676798 mobile: +44 (0)7590 538686 web: www.logical.co.uk skype: nick.roper / +44 20 7870 9587 logical elements, 34, Chamberlain St, Wells, Somerset, BA5 2PJ, UK --- IMPORTANT This communication is to be treated as confidential and the information in it may not be used or disclosed except for the purpose for which it has been sent. If you have reason to believe that you are not the intended recipient of this communication, please contact the sender immediately. Any views or opinions expressed in this email may not be those of Logical Elements. WARNING Computer viruses can be transmitted by E-Mail. The recipient should check this E-Mail and any attachments for the presence of viruses. Logical Elements accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this E-Mail. This E-mail and any attachments may not be copied or forwarded without the express permission of Logical Elements. In the event of any unauthorised copying or forwarding, the recipient will be required to indemnify Logical Elements against any claim for loss or damage caused by any viruses or otherwise. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] utf8 character display problem
Hi David, Nice one - I'll give that go too. Cheers, Nick David Dixon wrote: you should also be able to add/edit a .htaccess file on the shared web space and add the following: AddDefaultCharset utf-8 most hosts, even shared hosts should allow this (and it saves adding php headers to every page) Thanks, David On 7/7/09 18:46, Nick Roper wrote: Hey Rimantas, I added a line of PHP code as follows: ?php header(Content-Type:text/html; charset=UTF-8); ? and it works fine now. I also installed Live Headers in FF for future debugging. Many thanks for that. Cheers, Nick Rimantas Liubertas wrote: Here's the issue: We are working on a site that incorporates Russian text. It displays OK on our development server, but when transferring the files to the live server we get garbled output. … However, the same file uploaded to the live server displays the last menu item incorrectly: http://www.imperial-russian-dating.com/utf8-test.php The file has been saved as utf8 encoded in the editor (Komodo) and then uploaded to each server. Any ideas ? There are headers sent by your live server: Connection:close Content-Length:862 Content-Type:text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Date:Tue, 07 Jul 2009 16:22:43 GMT Server:Apache/2.2.3 (CentOS) X-Powered-By:PHP/5.1.6 Take a look at Content-Type header: it specifies charset as iso-8859-1. Charset specified in HTTP has preference over charset in META. If you have access to your server configuration look for AddDefaultCharset directive in Apache config. You can either change it to UTF or comment it out. Regards, Rimantas -- http://rimantas.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- Nick Roper partner logical elements innovative web and internet solutions zend/php mysql approved partner email: nro...@logical.co.uk phone: +44 (0)1749 676798 mobile: +44 (0)7590 538686 web: www.logical.co.uk skype: nick.roper / +44 20 7870 9587 logical elements, 34, Chamberlain St, Wells, Somerset, BA5 2PJ, UK --- IMPORTANT This communication is to be treated as confidential and the information in it may not be used or disclosed except for the purpose for which it has been sent. If you have reason to believe that you are not the intended recipient of this communication, please contact the sender immediately. Any views or opinions expressed in this email may not be those of Logical Elements. WARNING Computer viruses can be transmitted by E-Mail. The recipient should check this E-Mail and any attachments for the presence of viruses. Logical Elements accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this E-Mail. This E-mail and any attachments may not be copied or forwarded without the express permission of Logical Elements. In the event of any unauthorised copying or forwarding, the recipient will be required to indemnify Logical Elements against any claim for loss or damage caused by any viruses or otherwise. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] AJAX short courses london
Hi Paul, We can book you on an online course: Building Rich Internet Applications With PHP 5 and AJAX If that's of any interest? Price is about right and it runs over 6 3-hour sessions with live instructor tuition and 2-way chat. All sessions are recorded so you can play back at your convenience. Email me off-list if you are interested. Cheers, Nick Paul Collins wrote: Hi all, I hope this is on topic. I'm trying to find a short course on AJAX in london and having troubles finding one that is of a reasonable price (IE- less than £300 for a half day). Could anyone recommend me one or possibly a good school to look into? Thanks for any help, Paul *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Nick Roper partner logical elements innovative web and internet solutions zend/php mysql approved partner email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: +44 1749 676798 www: www.logical.co.uk skype: nick.roper / +44 20 7870 9587 logical elements, 34 Chamberlain Street, Wells, Somerset, BA5 2PJ --- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Preventing copying of text from web page.
Dear All, Many thanks for all the feedback on this question. It really serves to back up my own opinions and the message that I have been trying to convey to the client. As someone mentioned - the client is sure that they had 'seen it done somewhere'. My own view is along the lines of others - if the content is on a web page then someone can copy it one way or another, and this just has to be accepted. The client is intending to make the data available on a subscription basis, so that at least restricts access to paying customers. Thanks again for all the input - I will summarise and present to the client. Have a great Christmas one and all. Nick Chris Taylor wrote: From: Joe Ortenzi Sent: 21 December 2007 07:32 Why not simply make people register for it? Then you have their details and if you make the registration process intelligent, they will be aware they are being tracked and more likely to behave. All sorts of benefits and if the discussion forum is inside there as well then you can even claim some web 2.0-ness as an added benefit of registration! This to me seems like a good option, and by registering someone you could then give them a doctored version of the data including unique information to tie that particular view of the data with their session. That unique ID could be in a table cell, in the title of the page, as a footer etc. If you found a copy of that data with the unique session ID anywhere you could trace it back to a date, time, IP address and registered user. Of course the problem there is that anyone with a bit of HTML skill could remove the unique ID from the page. Still, it may help to deter casual copiers. Chris This message has been scanned for malware by SurfControl plc. www.surfcontrol.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Nick Roper partner logical elements innovative web and internet solutions zend/php mysql approved partner email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: +44 1749 676798 www: www.logical.co.uk skype: nick.roper / +44 20 7870 9587 logical elements, 34 Chamberlain Street, Wells, Somerset, BA5 2PJ --- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Preventing copying of text from web page.
Hi, We have been asked by a client whether it is possible to any extent to prevent/deter users from copying content from a particular web page. The page will comprise two main areas: 1) Selection options in the form of select lists, check boxes etc. 2) Once the criteria have been selected then a 'Search' button will initiate a script that will query the database and display resulting text records in tabular format. The requirement is that the the user should be able to view the resulting output, but not to be able to copy/paste to other applications. Is this possible to achieve in a way that is standards-compliant - or indeed in any way at all? One suggestion has been to apply a transparent image over the results table - but not sure if this could be done with CSS etc? If this is considered off-topic then I would welcome suggestions for more appropriate forums. Many thanks in anticipation. Regards, -- Nick Roper partner logical elements *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Popup 'box' on hover
Hi, A client would like functionality similar to that used on istockphoto.com - i.e. that a 'popup' window is displayed with a larger image and some text when the user hovers over a thumbnail image. e.g. Can I do this with CSS in a standards-compliant and works cross-browser way? Any pointers or references to example code gratefully received. Thanks, Nick -- Nick Roper partner logical elements *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Popup 'box' on hover
That's cool, but I wanted to try and avoid having to use 'real-estate' on the page. A popup allows the larger image to display without having to allocate permanent space for it in the layout. Thanks for the link, as I'm sure that will come in handy anyway. Spirit Q.9 Gaming wrote: http://www.cssplay.co.uk/menu/gallery_click Can you use this? On 8/23/07, *Nick Roper* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, A client would like functionality similar to that used on istockphoto.com http://istockphoto.com - i.e. that a 'popup' window is displayed with a larger image and some text when the user hovers over a thumbnail image. e.g. Can I do this with CSS in a standards-compliant and works cross-browser way? Any pointers or references to example code gratefully received. Thanks, Nick -- Nick Roper partner logical elements *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Nick Roper partner logical elements innovative web and internet solutions zend/php mysql approved partner email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: +44 1749 676798 www: www.logical.co.uk skype: nick.roper / +44 20 7870 9587 logical elements, 34 Chamberlain Street, Wells, Somerset, BA5 2PJ --- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Popup 'box' on hover
Thanks guys - excellent stuff. Nick Barney Carroll wrote: Spirit Q.9 Gaming wrote: http://www.cssplay.co.uk/menu/gallery_click Can you use this? Stu Nicholls has done a few :hover lightboxes: http://www.cssplay.co.uk/menu/lightbox.html If you want to be really flash (without flash, naturally)... http://www.cssplay.co.uk/menu/image_magnifier2.html Regards, Barney *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Nick Roper partner logical elements *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Target 1st item in list
I need to target the 1st item in a list. However, to make things complicated I can't assign a class or id to it. This is because of the way that the code is generated. So, given the following example code: h3 class=someClassHeading Text/h3 ul class=someOtherClass liItem 1/li liItem 2/li liItem 3/li liItem 4/li /ul Is there a way that I can target the li for Item 1 without it having a specific id or class assigned to it? Thanks in anticipation. -- Nick Roper partner logical elements *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] H1 font not set in IE
Thanks to everyone who has sent suggestions. I have tried different quotes, no quotes, reloading, etc, etc - but still no joy. This just seems to be an issue on FF/Windows and the really weird thing is that the font works in one area of the page - the menus - but not for the headings. The font is specified in exactly the same way for both components in the CSS, but the headings refuse to play ball. Nick Nick Cowie wrote: Raena wrote: No, either doubles or singles are correct. http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS1#font-family Double quotes might be correct in the specs and for all browsers that follow the specs including surprisingly IE6. Except for FF on windows, it does not want to play by the rules it needs single quotes not double quotes, I found this out the hard way last week. Nick *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Nick Roper partner logical elements innovative web and internet solutions zend/php mysql approved partner email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: +44 1749 676798 www: www.logical.co.uk skype: nick.roper / +44 20 7870 9587 logical elements, 34 Chamberlain Street, Wells, Somerset, BA5 2PJ --- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] H1 font not set in IE
Hi Naveen, I'm om FF 2.0.0.4 as well - can you confirm that tou see the ampersand character styled in 'Gates Railings' the same way on both the heading and the menus ? I see different - with the menu being more stylised. Thanks, Nick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi... Your styles works perfectly in my system inboth IE6 and FF 2.0.0.4.Even I also tried removing your inline styles for the H! tag.. still it works naveen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick Roper Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 2:04 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] H1 font not set in IE Thanks to everyone who has sent suggestions. I have tried different quotes, no quotes, reloading, etc, etc - but still no joy. This just seems to be an issue on FF/Windows and the really weird thing is that the font works in one area of the page - the menus - but not for the headings. The font is specified in exactly the same way for both components in the CSS, but the headings refuse to play ball. Nick Nick Cowie wrote: Raena wrote: No, either doubles or singles are correct. http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS1#font-family Double quotes might be correct in the specs and for all browsers that follow the specs including surprisingly IE6. Except for FF on windows, it does not want to play by the rules it needs single quotes not double quotes, I found this out the hard way last week. Nick *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Nick Roper partner logical elements *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] H1 font not set in IE
Hi, We are making some changes to an existing site for a client - basically converting to CSS as far as possible. I'd appreciate it if someone could take a look at this page: http://dev.logical.co.uk/castlewelding/final/gates_railings.php The font for the h1 should be Garamond - as it is for the menus at the left. However it refuses to render in FF/Windows - although it is fine on FF/Mac. The other weird thing is that FF/Windows renders Garamond for the menus but not the h1. I have stared at it until I can't see wood for trees any more. I even tried adding an inline style attribute into the H1 tag - but that didn't work either. Am I missing something startlingly obvious? Thanks, Nick PS - image replacement will be made more -- Nick Roper partner logical elements innovative web and internet solutions zend/php mysql approved partner email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: +44 1749 676798 www: www.logical.co.uk skype: nick.roper / +44 20 7870 9587 logical elements, 34 Chamberlain Street, Wells, Somerset, BA5 2PJ --- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] H1 font not set in IE
Hi Tony, But the weird thing is that it renders OK for the menus, which also specify italic. Nick Tony Crockford wrote: On 17 Jul 2007, at 11:40, Nick Roper wrote: I have stared at it until I can't see wood for trees any more. I even tried adding an inline style attribute into the H1 tag - but that didn't work either. Am I missing something startlingly obvious? assuming windows actually has the font installed, you are also specifying italic - maybe windows doesn't have an italic version? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Nick Roper partner logical elements innovative web and internet solutions zend/php mysql approved partner email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: +44 1749 676798 www: www.logical.co.uk skype: nick.roper / +44 20 7870 9587 logical elements, 34 Chamberlain Street, Wells, Somerset, BA5 2PJ --- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] H1 font not set in IE
Hi Nick, Thanks for that. The weird thing is though that Garamond does render for the menus. So, on the same machine/browser, the menus render in Garamond - so the font is there OK - but the headers don't. Nick Nick Gleitzman wrote: On 17 Jul 2007, at 8:40 PM, Nick Roper wrote: http://dev.logical.co.uk/castlewelding/final/gates_railings.php The font for the h1 should be Garamond - as it is for the menus at the left. However it refuses to render in FF/Windows - although it is fine on FF/Mac. The other weird thing is that FF/Windows renders Garamond for the menus but not the h1. I have stared at it until I can't see wood for trees any more. I even tried adding an inline style attribute into the H1 tag - but that didn't work either. Am I missing something startlingly obvious? Umm... possibly that a font won't render if it's not present on the machine? I see Verdana for both H1 and the LH menu, because I don't have Garamond in my default set of fonts; I'd have to activate it with Suitcase if I want it. It would be a good idea to specify a family of fonts in your css, instead of just the one - that way you're supplying a fallback style for those that don't have Garamond. Choose fonts that are present on most OSs for best results. Maybe Palatino, or Georgia? See http://www.ampsoft.net/webdesign-l/WindowsMacFonts.html for a handy list of common fonts for both 'doze and Mac. HTH N ___ omnivision. websight. http://www.omnivision.com.au/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Nick Roper partner logical elements innovative web and internet solutions zend/php mysql approved partner email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: +44 1749 676798 www: www.logical.co.uk skype: nick.roper / +44 20 7870 9587 logical elements, 34 Chamberlain Street, Wells, Somerset, BA5 2PJ --- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] H1 font not set in IE
Hi James, Yup, as I say, it works fine for both headers and menus on FF/MAc, but only for the menus on FF/Win. What I'm trying to figure out is why the menus render in Garamamond but the headings don't on FF/Win Nick James Jeffery wrote: Im using FireFox on a Mac and it works fine. :P On 7/17/07, *Nick Roper* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Nick, Thanks for that. The weird thing is though that Garamond does render for the menus. So, on the same machine/browser, the menus render in Garamond - so the font is there OK - but the headers don't. Nick Nick Gleitzman wrote: On 17 Jul 2007, at 8:40 PM, Nick Roper wrote: http://dev.logical.co.uk/castlewelding/final/gates_railings.php The font for the h1 should be Garamond - as it is for the menus at the left. However it refuses to render in FF/Windows - although it is fine on FF/Mac. The other weird thing is that FF/Windows renders Garamond for the menus but not the h1. I have stared at it until I can't see wood for trees any more. I even tried adding an inline style attribute into the H1 tag - but that didn't work either. Am I missing something startlingly obvious? Umm... possibly that a font won't render if it's not present on the machine? I see Verdana for both H1 and the LH menu, because I don't have Garamond in my default set of fonts; I'd have to activate it with Suitcase if I want it. It would be a good idea to specify a family of fonts in your css, instead of just the one - that way you're supplying a fallback style for those that don't have Garamond. Choose fonts that are present on most OSs for best results. Maybe Palatino, or Georgia? See http://www.ampsoft.net/webdesign-l/WindowsMacFonts.html for a handy list of common fonts for both 'doze and Mac. HTH N ___ omnivision. websight. http://www.omnivision.com.au/ http://www.omnivision.com.au/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Nick Roper partner logical elements innovative web and internet solutions zend/php mysql approved partner email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: +44 1749 676798 www: www.logical.co.uk http://www.logical.co.uk skype: nick.roper / +44 20 7870 9587 logical elements, 34 Chamberlain Street, Wells, Somerset, BA5 2PJ --- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Nick Roper partner logical elements innovative web and internet solutions zend/php mysql approved partner email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: +44 1749 676798 www: www.logical.co.uk skype: nick.roper / +44 20 7870 9587 logical elements, 34 Chamberlain Street, Wells, Somerset, BA5 2PJ --- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Accessible headline 'scroller'
Hi All, A customer has asked for a region of a page to display 'scrolling' news headlines. The example site that they have given is: http://www.imeche.org/ They would like something similar but with the following modifications: 1) Slower rate of traverse 2) Less vertical space so that only one headline is read at a time. 3) Headline pauses momentarily to allow reading and clicking of link. $64K question: is there a way of doing this that is accessible and compliant? I know the specs say to avoid scrolling text, but thought I'd ask anyway. I'm sure this has come up before so please refer me to previous posts/articles if appropriate. Many thanks. Nick -- Nick Roper partner logical elements --- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] force download a media file
was just going to say that you could set a header with PHP, but then noticed that you don't have it. Nick Gary Menzel wrote: The choice on how to handle any MIME type is in the hands of the downloading application and cannot be controlled by the source site. If it was not for this, it would be too easy for a site to infect any target operating system with malicious intent. Regards, Gary [that is - if you find a way to do it, it is a fault in the browser] On 6/13/07, *SJL* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I have this problem where i want to force download and mp3 and mp4 format file, but by default the browsers are handling it. I actually want the save as window to appear and give the choice to the viewer. I have goggled and tried a lot of them, but nothing worked, as my server doesnt support asp/php. can it be done using javascript/ajax? Kindly advice. Thanks and regards, Sijo Louis *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Nick Roper partner logical elements *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Back to the Future
Hi Chris, I actually junked my set of Windows 3.1 floppy disks the other day and wondered if anyone is still using it... Info on CSS support at: http://www.w3schools.com/css/css_reference.asp Good luck!! Nick Chris Taylor wrote: Well, there isn't a look yet, as I haven't designed it. It needs to be as simple as possible, so there's no really advanced stuff required and the design will reflect that. It's an intranet system, so only available to users with valid logins, hence it needs to work in a wide spread of browsers. My initial tests show that NN4.03 handles some CSS (float, background, border, font etc) but not some important things (list-style, margin and padding on lists). Is there a source for information about CSS support on old browsers? Thanks Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Dorward Sent: 12 June 2007 17:09 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Back to the Future On 12 Jun 2007, at 17:04, Chris Taylor wrote: I've been asked to write a website that MUST work in Netscape 4.03 and IE 3 for Windows 3.1. When you've stopped laughing I'm afraid I have to say I'm serious, and there's no chance at all that the people connecting to the site will upgrade. So, any tips to do this without reverting all the way back to 1996 tables and spacer gifs? Or am I doomed to non-standards hell? Does 'work' really mean 'look the same'? -- Nick Roper partner logical elements *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Use of PDFs - Accessibility issues
Many thanks to everyone for posts and personal replies on this thread. I appreciate you all taking the time to respond. The opinions that most people have kindly put forward are very similar to my own, but I guess that I wanted to make sure that I wasn't about to give an inappropriate 'knee-jerk' response to the client, or was unaware of options that might be appropriate. I intend making a counter-proposal along the lines that have been suggested and will let you know what happens. Regards, Nick Andrew Maben wrote: On Jun 7, 2007, at 6:16 PM, Nick Gleitzman wrote: Nick Roper wrote: Just to confirm, the recommendation from the agency is to replace existing html content with PDF version, not to provide PDFs as an additional alternative. Nick, you've made it fairly clear that your question is about accessiblity in PDFs, rather than whether or not it's a good idea to use them - but I'm afraid the most common answer you're likely to get is going to be: don't rely on them exclusively. The web is for HTML; the ability to deliver other file types is possible, but not the best option if accessiblity is desired. As printable alternatives, sure, I guess (but what's wrong with a good print style sheet?) - but I'm thinking of a number of Aust Govt sites which insist on delivering critical info as PDFs and even Word docs, which I find astonishingly short-sighted, as well as probably an abuse of accessiblity guidelines, if not legislation. What if I don't have Word installed (and why should I?)? The site may certainly need an IA overhaul, if it's been mangled over time by too many cooks - but that's no reason to stop using HTML in favour of PDF, surely. I think the site owners should have it pointed out to them that the agency's recommendations are simply out of touch with what's needed. From WCAG Samurai Errata: *We ban most PDFs*: PDFs that should be HTML are banned unless they are accompanied by HTML. All other PDFs have to be tagged. Andrew 109B SE 4th Av Gainesville FL 32601 Cell: 352-870-6661 http://www.andrewmaben. http://www.andrewmaben.com/net [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /In a well designed user interface, the user should not need //instructions./ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Nick Roper partner logical elements *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Use of PDFs - Accessibility issues
First of all, please let me know if this post is inappropriate for this list. If so then please point me elsewhere. We have a client for whom we created a website some 7 years ago. The site has developed over the years, and now comprises approximately 140 pages across a dozen or so categories. The customer is a hotel/leisure/golf resort in the UK and has two main types of site visitor: 1) Club members (approx 5000) 2) Non members that are looking for weekend breaks, golf venues, wedding venues, dining, conference facilities etc. The current site uses 99.9% html for content, with a server-based CMS that we developed and put in place at the outset, and which is used to update the site several times a day with news of results, events, etc, etc. Anyway, to get to the point, the customer has now been advised by a marketing agency that the site should be reduced in size to approx 45 key pages, and that the majority of content for things such as conference room specification and rates, bedroom specs and rates, menus, events, golf rates, membership rates etc, should be made available in PDF form instead of the html pages that are on the current site. I am aware that recent versions of Adobe allow more accessible PDF content to be created, but I would be grateful for thoughts on the use of PDF content instead of html content. Just to confirm, the recommendation from the agency is to replace existing html content with PDF version, not to provide PDFs as an additional alternative. I have researched articles on various sites, and the general advice seems to be that PDFs have their place when specific layout or functionality requires, but that these are generally considered to be fairly exceptional cases, such as legal forms that must be delivered in an original format, or multi-columnar information that cannot be degraded to an acceptable single column layout. I know that the customer will quite possibly consider any representation from us to avoid going down this path as an attempt to protect our interests in redevelopment proposals, so I would be very grateful for feedback and recommendations from others. Many thanks, -- Nick Roper partner logical elements *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Content Management issue ?
Hi Mark, Have you looked at Karova? www.karova.com It is XML/XSLT based, so that may be an issue if you want a PHP based solution, but you can get in and edit the XSLTs and of course CSS, so it is pretty flexible and compliant. Not sure about the Protx support. One thing to be aware of is that it is a hosted solution, and not available to install on your own server as far as I know. It has been used for some large clients such as World Wildlife Fund (not our client unfortunately), and we used it to build a store at the following URL if you want a look: http://retailstore.haptic.co.uk I think they were working on a PHP-based version, and are working on more friendly URLs - so might be worth a look. Cheers, Nick -- Nick Roper partner logical elements Mark Hedley wrote: Keeping an eye on it myself. Just a shame their doesn't seem to be support for non-native Commerce yet. Hopefully development will grow for UK and other territories soon : ) Mark Hedley Web Development Manager Mayborn Baby Child Division http://www.tommeetippee.com Jackel International Limited is a company registered in England Wales (registered number 1894022). Our registered office is at Dudley Lane, Cramlington, Northumberland, NE23 7RH. Tel (0191) 2501864, Fax (0191) 2501727. Sangenic International Limited is a company registered in England Wales (registered number 1308939). Our registered office is at Dudley Lane, Cramlington, Northumberland, NE23 7RH. Tel (0191) 2501864, Fax (0191) 2501727. Jackel International and Sangenic International are part of the Mayborn Group This transmission and any attachments are confidential and are intended solely for the named addressee(s). If you are not the addressee, please do not read, copy, use or disclose this transmission and notify us immediately by telephone (0191) 2501864 or by reply. Please then delete this transmission from your system. You should also be aware that all incoming e-mails are monitored for system security purposes. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tate Johnson Sent: 29 May 2007 01:47 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Content Management issue ? On Tue, 29 May 2007 10:50:15 +1200 Robin Gorry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have head very good things about silver stripe http://www.silverstripe.com/home/ This is an open source cms writen in php which you are able to cusomise and manipulate. Simple. Intuitive and user-friendly Flexible. MVC framework Scalable. From 1 page to a million Fast. As responsive as a desktop app thanks to native Ajax support Standards Compliant. Fully XHTML compliant Modular. Easy to extend Template Freedom. No restrictions on the look and feel of your site Open source. It's free in every sense of the word! (BSD) Cross platform (Windows/Linux/Mac) and easy to install (PHP based Silverstripe is fantastic. It's relatively new in relation to other CMS's, but it sure has a lot of potential. Primarily, it's developed by a NZ company and was originally a closed source, proprietary CMS. It's extremely flexible for developers/designers to create custom templates/sites. The community is growing larger, and the SS staff are quite helpful. They provide a forum and IRC channel for support and discussion. More importantly, it's easy for clients/content writers to create pages, the interface is quite intuitive. There are a few quirks here and there, no official blog/news module exists, but there is a guide/tutorial for how to create one. The next release (v2.1) will feature a tonne of improvements and those extra modules too. It's exciting times ahead for Silverstripe, and I certainly encourage you all to keep your eye on it. I'm actually developing a web site using Silverstripe at the moment, first time :) Cheers, Tate Johnson *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] RE: Error help
Hi Mike, When you say it crashes, what exactly happens? any error messages for example? Nick michael (SydneyWeb) wrote: Hi can anyone help with this customer question Im not sure if its because this client is always complaining or whether we have missed something in development This is the site www.theweddingshow.com.au http://www.theweddingshow.com.au/ The client went with the cheapest hosting company which we advised against! R Mike I have had several clients today complaining that their internet browser keeps crashing only whilst viewing The Wedding Show. I also have encountered several crashes while using the admin area, home page and search supplier facility on the front end. I thought it was my browsers but then got suppliers phoning up informing me of this problem. I was also on a sales call to a potential client and guess what happened she told me her browser crashed and funny enough right at the same time my browser crashed as I was giving her a tour of the wedding show. Can someone there check what this means or why this is happening and contact me urgently. It seems to have started since you guys have added the Content Management system?? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Nick Roper partner logical elements innovative web and internet solutions zend/php mysql approved partner *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Form layout issue
I'd be grateful if someone could take a look at the following draft form: http://dev.logical.co.uk/test/add-user.php It renders OK in FF, Safari and Opera, but the input elements don't align correctly in IE6 (haven't tried 7 as yet) I'm sure it's something obvious, but it's been a long night and I'm not seeing wood for trees at the moment. Thanks in anticipation. Nick -- Nick Roper partner logical elements --- There are 10 kinds of person. Those who understand binary, and those who don't! *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Form layout issue
Hey Scott,
Yup, that's made IE play nice!
Good point regarding the layout if styles are turned off.
Thanks for that.
Cheers,
Nick
Scott Swabey wrote:
Nick Roper wrote:
I'd be grateful if someone could take a look at the following draft form:
http://dev.logical.co.uk/test/add-user.php
It renders OK in FF, Safari and Opera, but the input elements don't
align correctly in IE6 (haven't tried 7 as yet)
Hi Nick
I would suggest placing a br after each input, and apply a clearing
class to the br. This will force IE to play, and has the added bonus
of retaining some semblance of formating if styles are turned off.
br class=clear
.clear {
clear: both;
height: 1px;
display: block;
}
Regards
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[WSG] Simple to use page layout 'tool' ?
Apologies if this is slightly off topic, but I'm happy to re-post elsewhere. A client wants to be able to create some draft page layouts that they want achieved. Basically, they want a simple piece of software that they can use to drag drop things like buttons, lists, input fields etc onto a page in order to create an initial draft requirement. No functionality is needed - just the ability to create a draft layout and annotate things. For example there might be an arrow pointing to a button with a note that says 'the user clicks this to display a list of products' They can then submit it to us as a starting point. I hesitate to suggest anything like Dreamweaver. Does anyone know of anything fairly lightweight and foolproof? Thanks, Nick -- Nick Roper partner logical elements *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Simple to use page layout 'tool' ?
Many thanks to all for the suggestions, I'll check them out. Actually my preference would probably be the pen and paper approach as well, but the client insists that they want a *proper* tool for the job. Thanks again folks. Nick Dwain Alford wrote: then i agree with your earlier post. i did not find it snarky. it was true what you said. dwain On 3/12/07, *Chris Williams* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I **was** the early poster… *From:* Dwain Alford *Subject:* Re: [WSG] Simple to use page layout 'tool' ? i agree with an early poster about the pencil and paper layout tool. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- dwain alford p.o. box 145 winfield, alabama 35594 u.s.a. tele: 205.487.2570 cell: 205.495.5619 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Nick Roper partner logical elements *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Use of Enter key to naviagte between form fields
Hi, A customer has requested that they should be able to navigate between input fields on a form by using the Enter key - i.e. to replicate the action of the Tab key. I've seen examples of Javascript code to do this, but I'd be interested in any feedback on whether there are any issues with this and what the best approach is to implement. Thanks, Nick -- Nick Roper partner logical elements *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Use of Enter key to naviagte between form fields
Many thanks to all for the feedback so far. The general consensus certainly seems to be that use of the Enter key is not a good idea, and I totally accept the reasons put forward. Just to clarify things a bit, this is indeed and intra/extranet based application. In fact the project is to convert an existing Access database application to a web-based PHP/MySQL application that can be accessed remotely via a secure login. A few admin users will be able to enter update data via forms, whilst others will be able to select/view information and reports. It would only be the admin users that would possibly have the facility to use the Enter key - which is what they do with the current system. As Chris points out, the use of the Enter key is quite common in data-centric applications (which this is) and the users are used to using the Enter key for that purpose. I probably should have made all this clearer in my original post. Would the group consider the request more reasonable in these circumstances - perhaps if it is made clear that this is non-standard behaviour that should only be introduced on the non-public areas, or are there still strong reasons for avoiding? If so, then I'm quite happy to tell the client. Nick Chris Williams wrote: How about the fact that many data entry programs use enter to move between fields? It is actually quite common in very heavy data-centric applications. *From: *Andrew Maben [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Subject: *Re: [WSG] Use of Enter key to naviagte between form fields But perhaps your customer has some convincing rationale for wanting to do this? If so, I'm sure we'd all be fascinated to hear it. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Nick Roper partner logical elements innovative web and internet solutions zend/php mysql approved partner email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: +44 1749 676798 www: www.logical.co.uk skype: nick.roper / +44 20 7870 9587 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Use of Enter key to naviagte between form fields
Very many thanks indeed to everyone who has contributed to this thread, and to Nick F and others who have contributed examples. I have a meeting with the client next week and will make sure that the various points that have been raised are discussed and considered before making any decisions. I'm going to be away for a couple of days now, so will follow up on any further posts when I'm back. Thanks again. Nick Roper Nick Fitzsimons wrote: On 27 Feb 2007, at 18:49:34, Nick Roper wrote: Just to clarify things a bit, this is indeed and intra/extranet based application. In fact the project is to convert an existing Access database application to a web-based PHP/MySQL application that can be accessed remotely via a secure login. A few admin users will be able to enter update data via forms, whilst others will be able to select/view information and reports. It would only be the admin users that would possibly have the facility to use the Enter key - which is what they do with the current system. As Chris points out, the use of the Enter key is quite common in data-centric applications (which this is) and the users are used to using the Enter key for that purpose. This is, in fact, one of the few cases when it can be worth doing this. Have a look at http://www.nickfitz.co.uk/tests/javascript/entertest.html which should do something similar to what you want. Some notes: 0. It uses a window.onload handler, so that would need to be integrated with any existing/later code. 1. It uses DOM Level 0 event handler properties, rather than mucking about with attachEvent/addEventHandler and so forth. 2. This assumes (in the window.onload handler) that the form has an id attribute of testForm; change that as needed. 3. It also assumes that every text input has an id attribute; note that these must be unique (within the page). 4. It only sets event handling for text input fields (input type=text); you can remove or modify the check in the function getInputFieldIds if you want, though I haven't tested across browsers what will happen with other kinds of input field. 5. It tries to avoid creating closures over DOM elements, in order to prevent memory leaks, particularly in IE. (As to whether or not it succeeds...) 6. It makes no assumptions about the number of elements in the form, nor about the form of the element ids, other than that they exist and are unique within the page. 7. It doesn't set any handler on the last field; this means that, when Enter is pressed in that field, the form is submitted. The last can be changed to switch focus to a submit button if the test in getInputFields is modified and the button comes after the other fields, as is usually the case. The script would be better off in a separate file rather than being in the page, but it's just a quick demo :-) Tested in Firefox 1.5.0.10/Mac, Safari 2.0.4/Mac and IE6/Win. HTH, Nick. --Nick Fitzsimons http://www.nickfitz.co.uk/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Nick Roper partner logical elements *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
