I'd say that the size is an intrinsic dimension of the input element, and -
similar to what
happens with images - it's ok to have it in your xhtml. You can still use
css in addition
to it. But I think at the end of the day it comes down to preference...
Patrick H. Lauke
From: Lee Roberts
[...]
the average computer user wouldn't know how
to do those things.
Once more, with gusto: the toolbar is for *developers*, not average *users*
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/dtds.html#dtdentry_xhtml1-strict.dtd_coreattrs
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all the backgrounds, so the :hover
can
take effect in IE), but I'd give the IE7.htc behaviours a whirl with this,
they should
be able to give IE the :hover on any element (but yes, this effectively
still relies on
having js enabled)
Patrick H. Lauke
Two ways that spring to mind: float the menu to the left and leave enough
padding on the content's left side to compensate (although this may be flaky
in
certain situations), or use absolute positioning to put both the menu and
the content
on the page...
Effectively, it's a simple 2 column layout.
Call me overly cautious, but I don't think this is
a topic for discussion...
http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Acollusion
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Of course you don't want to have the script tag in the external js file.
script is an (x)html tag, so it does not belong in a text/javascript file.
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...apart from
the benefits to those maintaining the files, there's not much gain from
that. So yes, we wait :)
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the font size on the zengarden example, you end up with illegible
chopped off text) or look crud when attempting ad-hoc i'll use ems instead
of pixels for width/height methods.
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- Original Message -
From: theGrafixGuy
[snip]
It is NOT hard at all to do as you said, unsubscribe or
simply set up a filter - better yet, DON'T EVEN USE AUTO-REPLY.
If you work in large organisations, out of office is usually mandated or at
least very strongly recommended,
Not looked too closely at your markup or existing CSS, but adding
#specials_pane { position: absolute; top: 0; }
seems to cure the problem in IE6
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If you're using FF with the webdev extension, you can quickly (ok,
relatively quickly) go to Miscellaneous W3C Documents for reference.
At least that's what I end up doing most of the time...
Patrick
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, what you're trying to do
should be done via server-side includes, not javascript...
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resort, you may be able to override it at the beginning of all
your scripts in PHP itself
ini_set('arg_separator.input','amp;');
ini_set('arg_separator.output','amp;');
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://shop.wwf.org.uk/store/Home.aspx and not, as the above suggests
initially, the core WWF site itself (unless I'm mistaken, anyway)
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If you float all the content of a div, you take that content out of the
normal document flow. The containing div is now empty, and doesn't wrap
around the floated elements anymore...it's still there, but has a height
of 0 (or well, of whatever non-floated content is left there, in your case).
{ background: url(arrow_on.png) no-repeat left top; }
p span { padding-left: 15px; display: block; float: left;}
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to do it in
the CSS once, and not finding/replacing the image tag throughout
potentially multiple pages.
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You may want to look at COLGROUPs
http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/struct/tables.html#h-11.2.4
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Justin French wrote:
Hi Folks,
Is there any way (without ids or classes) to target the 3rd (for
example) column of a table to apply styles?
What I'm hoping for is something like
we talked about colgroups just the other day, i think
http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/struct/tables.html#h-11.2.4.1
Patrick
Geoff Deering wrote:
Hi,
Does anyone have any reference for applying styles to columns in tables in a
semantically correct way, without having to code class attr into each
I use www.editize.com extensively on all my projects for client admin
area, but yes...it's a java plugin, and it's not completely free.
Patrick
Sarah Peeke (XERT) wrote:
Hi all
Can anyone recommend a browser based editor (preferably written in PHP)
that will allow clients to update code
Name is still perfectly valid for form elements (inputs, selects, etc),
just not for the FORM element itself.
http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-modularization/abstract_modules.html#s_forms
In any case, you should be using DOM scripting (with IDs assigned to the
relevant elements and getElementById or
When done properly, with due care for which parent container it uses,
absolute positioning yields a lot more robust results, imho. It would be
dangerous to simply dismiss absolute positioning in favour of floats.
You've just got to be careful in how you position things, to avoid
potential
, this
is not a big deal).
Same thing if users are rejecting the cookie (either knowingly or
because of some draconian IT department's settings on their browser).
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links to go to the end of the
form (which benefit all users, and do pretty much what you're aiming to do).
but i'd definitely recommend not having intermediate buttons...
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Taco Fleur wrote:
I have been putting duplicate buttons on one form when its a long form,
so the user does
solution. Why not go
for skip to the end of the form type links (they can even be graphical
for sighted users)? Seems to me these would be the least bothersome, and
not about to break even in older browsers...
Patrick
Mordechai Peller wrote:
Patrick H. Lauke wrote:
well, imagine the user has
Frederic Fery wrote:
What's the (standard) benefit of using firefox over safari for testing?
Safari and Firefox have slightly different quirks and bugs when it comes
to rendering CSS, so it's best to check in both (and, as Firefox is also
used on many other platforms - Windows, *nix, etc - it's
You just realised it, but this has been a huge part of the whole image
replacement discussion from the beginning.
http://www.google.com/search?q=accessibility+image+replacement+css
No, there's no way to test if images are turned off. Use techniques that
don't actually hide the original text. but
just checked the various IR methods. your best bet looks like
Gilder/Levin and/or the Shea enhancement
http://www.mezzoblue.com/tests/revised-image-replacement/
Patrick
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Sorry Cameron, but I think that you're taking it a step too far here.
At the end of the day, those who work with the CSS can order it any way
they please and that works for them. This is all about personal
preference and working styles, and separation of content and style has
nothing to do
To clarify my previous message: what I mean is
Cameron Adams wrote:
If you change the position of an object in the HTML,
then you have to change it in the CSS, otherwise your
order becomes meaningless.
Yes, it becomes meaningless in that it makes it more convoluted to work
with, *but* it does not
I'd go for definition lists, overkill or not.
dl
dtQ/dt
ddA/dd
/dl
Failing that, the question could be in headings
h1interview/h1
h2Q1/h2
p.../p
h2Q2/h2
p.../p
Patrick
Sage Olson wrote:
Oops, sorry I wasn't more specific I meant a large interview that takes
up an entire article, something like
James Denholm-Price wrote:
Dunno if the assumption about
screen readers not loading images is correct, though...
The main mistake in that article is that, for the most part, screen
readers don't do anything on their own. They're pieces of software
which run on top of the normal operating
http://www.sitepoint.com/article/watermark-images-php
Diego Diaz wrote:
Hello, there I am read tutoriales and documents about captions inside
the images, but even I do not know as to put a small text or image of
copyright that be generated automatically in a photo published in my
gallery.
There
Russ linked to it before, but:
http://joeclark.org/access/captioning/bpoc/ is worth a read.
For video, you may consider using Magpie
http://www.google.com/search?q=magpie+video+captioning
For audio, a full transcript should be enough (as a separate document).
Patrick
Vicki Berry wrote:
Hi all,
Somebody needs to learn how to send things off-list...
Can this thread be closed now?
P
AmirBehzad Eslami wrote:
Dear Dmitri,
Would you please give me one if there is any left.
Thanks in advance,
Behzad
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dan Webb wrote:
I've got Firefox 0.9.2...is it worth getting v1.0PR?
If you're reliant on specific extensions with your current FF, just
double check that they're compatible with 1.0PR before making the
switch. Beyond that, it looks like a reasonably stable release (although
it does feel just
The semantics obviously depend on what stuff | more stuff and stuff
too | more stuff again actually are...
Patrick
Amit Karmakar wrote:
Apologies if this has been discussed before.
What is better in terms of semantics and accessibility?
div id=footer
pstuff | more stuffbr /
stuff too | more
adam reitsma wrote:
div id=footer
ullistuff/li | limore stuff/li/ul
ullistuff too/li | limore stuff again/li/ul
/div
Drop those | in between list items, as it's not valid markup (probably
just an oversight, but it's best to clarify nonetheless)
Patrick
Kevin Futter wrote:
Is it OS or version specific?
It's windows only.
http://update.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?id=249vid=716page=releases
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Ian Fenn wrote:
I wrote:
Anyone notice Zeldman's recently announcement
Sorry for the typo. It's 2.40am here in the UK. Time to get some shut-eye.
Kids nowadays...no staying power. ;)
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john wrote:
The page with the CSS code for fixed positioning in IE is at
http://limpid.nl/lab/css/fixed/header
Interesting...although I wonder why Anne didn't actually construct
proper html documents with a html, head and body...because it seems to
work in that situation as well?
Patrick H
Focas, Grant wrote:
john,
the solution requires putting the an html comment above the doctype declaration.
If the aim is to throw IE into quirks mode, I'd imagine that one may
also consider just sticking the xml declaration there (but haven't got
the time to test this assertion).
Patrick H
The containing block for a positioned box is established by the nearest
positioned ancestor (or, if none exists, the initial containing block,
as in our example).
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knowing the name of the problem is half-way to finding a solution already...
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22flash+of+unstyled+content%22
Patrick
David wrote:
Hello everyone,
Does anybody know how to prevent the flash of (CSS)unstyled
content that appears when a page is loading and the browser
Kevin Futter wrote:
My understanding is that while IE Win supports the display of PNG files, it
doesn't support any of their transparency features. If you want to use
transparency for images in a cross-browser safe way, GIF is really your only
option. I wouldn't be holding my breath for IE to
Tim Shortt wrote:
You have to actually test on an AOL
account to really see any affect of this (or any other) behavior (versus
just running a local AOL browser, which I did for years).
If you're really, really committed (or just masochistic) to testing it,
but want to avoid having to actually
Also, would appreciate any links to tutorials on css positioning.
http://www.brainjar.com/css/positioning/default.asp
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Neerav wrote:
so go for html 4 transitional validation if the clients tables will
always be invalid
If you know for sure that the markup is going to be invalid, why bother
with a doctype at all? It's a bit like putting a may contain nuts
sticker on a bag of peanuts...
Patrick H. Lauke
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Kevin Futter wrote:
My understanding is that while IE Win supports the display of PNG files, it
doesn't support any of their transparency features. If you want to use
transparency for images in a cross-browser safe way, GIF is really your
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
OK, Consider this very simple HTML document:
...
How could leaving out the doctype make such a definite difference to such
a simple page?
The crucial part of my answer was: If you know for sure that the markup
*is going to be invalid*
The example you provide is of valid
adamant that new
windows be popped up, is to give users enough direct clues that
activating a link will indeed open a new window (e.g. adding (opens in
a new window) to the link text of title attribute, adding an icon - for
instance via css' background property - or similar)
Patrick H. Lauke
Wayne Godfrey wrote:
Even with the tab browsers that I've tried, I still end up opening a
new tab more often than using the back and forward buttons.
Key here is *I* [...] ended up opening a new tab. You, the user, made
that choice. Not the web author/developer...
Patrick
Manuel González Noriega wrote:
Often, markup errors, like natural language errors, are most likely
typos than anything else. Therefore, i don't really learn anything from
them
You learn that you should validate anything before making it live (just
like you'd spell-check and proofread anything
Two ideas spring to mind:
- wrap the entire page content in a div with a specific ID, and change
the link to point to that
body
div id=top
a href='#top
...
/div
/body
- taking it one step further (and admittedly a bit crazy, but seems to
work fine in FF, IE and Opera from my really quick
Paul Novitski wrote:
At 12:05 PM 10/6/2004, john wrote:
Why not just put a name=content/a at the top of the page?
Probably because it doesn't look or feel (from a markup point of view)
like an elegant, modern solution.
Some browsers don't appear to need a corresponding named anchor if the
link
Shane Helm wrote:
I have also become a better and
cleaner coder since I switched to XHTML CSS.
Table-less layout rules!
But, to clarify: there's nothing, absolutely nothing at all, stopping
you from going all CSS-driven, table-less, separation of content and
presentation, etc in HTML 4 - just
One that I know, but there may be more: in HTML, body is the size of the
entire viewport, even if it's empty. In XHTML, it's just like any other
block level elements and takes on the dimensions of its content (and if
you float everything in the body, it effectively is 0 pixels high). If
you
Chris Stratford wrote:
I use XHTML Strict, and have modded the DTD to accept New Window code.
What always makes me wonder about these solutions is that, in effect,
they are still reliant on the fact that current browsers have the
built-in understanding and capability of reacting a certain way
Terrence Wood wrote:
Having said all that Chris's solution of having extended and published
the DTD is perfectly acceptable.
Yes, sorry...I wasn't questioning the validity of Chris' solution per
se. I was just taking a step back to look at the bigger picture, beyond
mere validation, to what it
Well, I tried recreating a simple document like the one you describe,
with missing ALT attribute on the image...but can't seem to reproduce
the slew of errors you're reporting. Any chance you can upload the
broken page so we can have a look if there's anything specific to your
document that
Make sure to grab my served as 'application/xhtml+xml' where available
badge ;)
http://www.splintered.co.uk/about/
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Mordechai Peller wrote:
what I would like to know is Why?
ok, but the What wasn't quite clear, hence my question.
Try:
div
img src= /
p#151;Test/p
/div
Ok, see what you mean now. Well, for the Why I think the only
explanation that I can think of is you may be experiencing a cascade
failure one
simply appear cut off.
Otherwise, you may have to resolve to chopping up the link text with the
url server-side.
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Chris Blown wrote:
Did I mention I hate analogies. ;)
as in your expansion of the analogy you're blaming *users* of IE, rather
than the developers that purely cater for IE and/or the programmers at
MS who made the leaky car, i'd say it's not too accurate anyway ;)
Patrick H. Lauke
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only hope that browser manufacturers/developers will take this
on board at some point...
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structures offered by (x)html are actually quite limited, and you won't
always find the exact right set of elements that perfectly fit your
real-world content...so it turns into a question of triage.
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Anything happening in the UK at all?
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talking about, but still...something that just
nags at me ;)
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, but they may not know what they actually are. Yes, a very
academic discussion, admittedly...
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Lyn Patterson wrote:
have I left out commas or something?
Yes.
#[name of page] #container, #[name of page] #floatimgleft
{background-color: #dff;}
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on this.
...if that was your question.
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. So no, not pointless at all.
Read http://www.webaim.org/techniques/forms/2#labels for a soft
introduction on this.
...if that was your question.
Patrick H. Lauke
**
The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/
See http
(with possibly user selectable preferences on how, and how often -
once in a document for same source, for instance - to present it).
So yes, my main gripe is with browsers.
Here's hoping for some new developments on that front in the future ;)
Patrick H. Lauke
=mobilemobile/option
option value=otherother/option
/select
br /
label for=input_phone_1Phone number/label
input type=text name=input_phone_1 id=input_phone_1 value=
/fieldset
Patrick H. Lauke
), that
last line could be boiled down to
blockquote.poem span:nth-child(2n+2) { text-indext: 2em; }
or shorthanded to
blockquote.poem span:nth-child(even) { text-indext: 2em; }
Of course, neither the CSS 2 nor the CSS 3 method work in IE...so
classes on the spans it is, I think.
Patrick H. Lauke
basic trigonometry
(sin and cos)
Not perfect, as I haven't corrected for the actual size of the list
items (effectively their top-left corner is roughly on the circle, not
their middle point), but this should give you at least some basis for
further experimentation...
Patrick H. Lauke
as well, as
it will automatically pick it up...
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most sites are not standards compliant...
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).
Beyond that, it's a validating tool, not a teaching tool...
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and the address as DD
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Trovster wrote:
I would do the following - http://trov.ath.cx/comm/~test/WSG/sportscenters.html
My option nr 2) then ;-)
Agree, the line breaks in this case can be argued as being part of the
content (as we still don't have anything like the line element in xhtml2)
Patrick H. Lauke
://www.meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/09/03/sliding-faux-columns/
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Sam Hutchinson wrote:
Don't mean to be ignorant, but the winners doesn't work correctly in Ie
6.0.2
- there's a step on the right above the links !
Some breakage in Firefox as well. But hey, overall, not bad and fairly
trendy.
Patrick H. Lauke
, in this case it's not bad, but it's the principle
that I object to...
Anyway...if the image is purely decorative (which, by the sound of it,
is the case), why not simply put a null alt attribute of alt= in
there, or even better use CSS to place the image as a background?
Patrick H. Lauke
in the title itself. also be aware that in the case of
screenreaders the output users will hear depends on the verbosity
settings they have enabled.
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it properly
(although I'd say the screenreader developers are to blame for mostly
having this option OFF by default...I'm looking at you, FreedomScientifc)
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+%22display%3Anone%22
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http://www.alistapart.com/articles/onionskin/
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russ - maxdesign wrote:
And the url?
http://mouseriders.dk/ ?
Let's pray it's not http://localhost/mysite/test.html
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=70/span/a
Fix that, and your problem may be solved...
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it be better to just remove
the rubbish?
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Erietta Sapounakis wrote:
#detail-tile li {list-style-type:circle; display:block;
list-style-position:inside;}
Remove display:block;
Any display other than display:list-item; kills the bullets, as far as
I'm aware...
Patrick H. Lauke
PHP, have an
additional look
at http://www.php.net/manual/en/security.php
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?php
if ( stristr($_SERVER[HTTP_ACCEPT],application/xhtml+xml) ) {
header(Content-type: application/xhtml+xml);
}
else {
header(Content-type: text/html);
}
?
Make sure this is sent before any other content (unless you're using
output buffering)
Patrick H. Lauke
/xhtml+xml]
Patrick H. Lauke
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re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively
[latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.]
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http://redux.deviantart.com
no
- Netscape 7 yes
(obviously this list is far from complete)
While I was at it, also tested support for multiple class names (e.g.
class=warning notice referring to .warning and .notice simultaneously):
- IE 4 no
- IE 5, 5.5 yes
- Netscape 4.77 no
- Netscape 6, 7 yes
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