[WSG] Some links for light reading...

Joe Clark and Craig Saila have been looking at Canadian Government election websites from an accessibility point of view - interesting reading http://blog.fawny.org/2004/06/03/election/ Associated pages: http://joeclark.org/election/releases/ http://joeclark.org/election/findings/ http://joeclark.

[WSG] Reminder about Sydney meeting - Thursday 10 June

June WSG Meeting (Sydney) Thursday 10 June, 2004 6:30pm - Informal start/Networking 7:00pm - Official start Peter Ottery talks about converting the SMH and The Age to full CSS. Should be a very interesting presentation. Hope to see you all! RSVP to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Presentation notes will be o

Re: [WSG] Ten Questions for whomever

Don't worry, Man in blue, you are on my "to interview" list! :) Russ > I heard he's a J.D. Salinger-type recluse who only > gives interviews for six figures. > * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgrou

Re: [WSG] Ten Questions for whomever

Well... That is slightly incorrect... So far we have done: Eric Meyer Keith Robinson Anne van Kesteren Nick Finck Andy Budd Patrick Griffiths Simon Willison None of these people will be presenting at Web Essentials 2004 in Sydney. Over the coming months I'll be interviewing Dave Shea, then possi

Re: [WSG] Ten Questions for whomever

Hi Sean, I have been interviewing a range of high profile web developers who have information that could be of value to WSG members. In each case, I have approached people, they have not approached me. I wanted to keep the interviews to 10 questions as I generally do not like reading interviews u

Re: [WSG] Budget Design - ALREADY CLOSED

Mordechai and Rick, This thread was closed about 10 hours ago by Peter (Listdad) Please do not continue. Thanks Russ >>> What Rick says is true -- it is illegal for US businesses (including >>> individuals who freelance) to discuss rates with members of the same >>> industry. The legal term here

Re: [WSG] draft site check

Hi Cameron, Always a good idea to turn of CSS and look at your page, or look at your page in Lynx viewer (http://www.delorie.com/web/lynxview). These two method will quickly give you feedback on whether the page has meaning without css. If you look at the page, does each block of content have the

Re: [WSG] Site Critique - developer checklist

After asking everyone not to hijack a topic, it seems I have done the same. Apologies all (especially Mike). Rev Bob, I'd be very careful about Bobby. This has been discussed on-list a few times, but here is a recap: There are other accessibility tools that have better reputations than Bobby now.

Re: [WSG] Site Critique

That was the abridged version. A more extensive list of check points would include: 1. Quality of code - Valid HTML? - Valid CSS? - Semantically correct code? 2. Degree of separation between content and presentation - Full CSS? - Decorative images in css? 3. Accessibility for users - Scalable C

Re: [WSG] Site Critique

Hi Michael, A few quick tests I always do on a page are: 1. check for scalability (increase font size a few times to see if it breaks) 2. look at it without CSS 3. look in lynx 4. look in a range of browsers 5. look in print preview The left nav fails badly in Mac/IE5, can send you screenshots of

Re: [WSG] when to place as a background in CSS

Agree. A good guide is to look at the page with CSS switched off. Does it still have meaning with some images missing? If images are decorative and in the CSS, no meaning should be lost. The reverse is also true. Is the page littered with unnecessary images that add no meaning? A page with CSS swi

[WSG] Some links for light reading...

An excellent 3D diagram of the box model: http://www.hicksdesign.co.uk/journal/2004/05/3d_css_box_model/ Grey Box Methodology - Jason Santa Maria outlines an interesting beginning process for websites. http://www.jasonsantamaria.com/archive/2004/05/24/grey_box_method.php Joe Clark - Bookmarks for

[WSG] Reminder about our first Brisbane WSG meeting - Wednesday 12 May

Wednesday 12 May Guest Presenter: Tony Aslett (who built and runs, amongst other things, CSS Creator and CSS Layout Generator)- should be very exciting! Peter and I will now definately be flying up for the meeting, so we'll hopefully see a lot of Brisbane WSG members on the night. More info her

Re: [WSG] Web essentials is now active!

ooops. Try 2004. Dave Shea, Doug Bowman, Joe Clark and others. Sydney, September 2004 :) russ Original Message: >From: Lea de Groot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [WSG] Web essentials is now active! >Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 17:44:40 +1000 >On Thu, 06 May 2004 17:21:30 +

re: [WSG] Retaining some formatting for older browsers?

Hi Tenley, This tutorial may help: http://www.maxdesign.com.au/presentation/process/ The particular section on hiding stuff from older browsers is here: http://www.maxdesign.com.au/presentation/process/index_step10.cfm It is not THE answer,it is just one method. Russ >Right now, ALL of the sty

[WSG] WSG Design competition

Apologies for the radio silence from Peter and I on the WSG design competition. We have had a couple of people request a time extension, so we have decided to allow people to send us submisions until Sunday night - 9 May. We will then put the entires online soon after for member voting. Those w

[WSG] Ten questions for Anne van Kesteren

Anne talks about serving correct mime types, XHTML vs HTML and the pursuit of perfect markup: http://webstandardsgroup.org/features/anne-van-kesteren.cfm Russ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.

Re: [WSG] Pseudo-classes - Links - Weird issues

Yes, they can be excluded. You can choose to use any of these pseudo-classes or none of them. Up to you. You definitely do not have to specify them all. Some would argue there is a usability issue with using the same link and visited colour, but that is a separate discussion and not really within

Re: [WSG] Pseudo-classes - Links - Weird issues

Jamie, This is hard to answer as we cannot see your html. The class could be inside or outside the 'a' element, which will affect the way you set up your selector. INSIDE THE 'A' ELEMENT Assuming that your class was inside the 'a' element like this: text here The correct markup would be: a.poo:li

Re: [WSG] Brisbane WSG is about to start

Of course that address should really be [EMAIL PROTECTED], but I'm sure you all knew that. :) Russ > Do you live in another city or country and want to set up a WSG meeting? > Email Peter and I offlist: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] * The discussion list

[WSG] Brisbane WSG is about to start

First of all, a big thanks to Gary Menzel and Lea de Groot, who have agreed to become the official Brisbane WSG organisers. The first Brisbane meeting is set for: Wednesday 12th May Networking: 6:30pm Official start: 7:00pm We will have an exciting guest presenter for the evening - Tony Aslett -

[WSG] Two reminders

Hi all, 1. the WSG design competition is still open, and all WSG members can take part - there still time to enter. More info here: http://discuss.webstandardsgroup.org/archives/12.htm 2. Final reminder for the Sydney WSG meeting 15th April with special guest David Woodbridge. RSVP's essentia

Re: [WSG] Introductory Usability Evaluation workshop

Forgot to mention, 10% discount for WSG members! James Robertson from StepTwo writes: We would be happy to offer a 10% discount to WSG members (please handwrite "WSG member" onto the bottom of the registration form). Russ > There has been a lot of talk recently about how web standards are > con

[WSG] Introductory Usability Evaluation workshop

There has been a lot of talk recently about how web standards are concentrating on tools and are missing the real focus - the actual users. While the two are not mutually exclusive, there is definitely a need to focus on users. For those who may be interested... Introductory Usability Evaluation -

[WSG] Some links for reading...

The second edition of Eric Meyer's Cascading Style Sheets: The Definitive Guide has hit the book shelves: http://more.ericmeyeroncss.com/ Should I be transitional or Strict? http://www.blogdsgn.com/index.php?id=P72 Playing with tables http://annevankesteren.nl/archives/2004/04/playing-with-tables

Re: [WSG] default browser stylesheets

For more info on these three types of style sheets (users, author and browsers) go here: http://css.maxdesign.com.au/selectutorial/advanced_cascade.htm For a sample W3C recommended default style sheet for devices- go here: http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/sample.html Russ > Hi all > > In a few t

Re: [WSG] EM's vs % (was: Relative Fonts)

Gary, Relative font sizes can also be done using percents as well as em's and this solution is recommended by the CSS discuss wiki for font scaling under 100% [1]. The Maxdesign site you mention is sadly in need of major restructuring and recoding. I used to do navigation in pixels and all other

Re: [WSG] Re: List Left Margin

M weird. Is Browsercam branching out into new services? Apologies all. I should have checked all screenshots before sending the link. I will do so in future. :) Russ > Geeze Russ, aren't you married? > > http://www.browsercam.com/projects/56771/930830.jpg > > -- > Cameron Adams > >

Re: [WSG] left margins on lists

Barb, This is a bit hard to answer as I don't know if you are talking about a standard list or a list with graphics. I'll assume you men standard html lists... Standard HTML lists have a certain amount of left-indentation. The amount varies on each browser. Some browsers use padding (from memor

[WSG] This months Web Standards Award winner

http://www.webstandardsawards.com/previous/jason_santa_maria.html A well deserved winner! There is also a nomination at weekly standards, although Adam Howell seems to have replaced his usual detailed analysis with comments like: "So, in closing. Tables are the work of Satan spawn hellfire. Light

Re: [WSG] Icons

You could always make any that you want for yourself with the buttonmaker: http://kalsey.com/tools/buttonmaker/ Or if you prefer the manual approach: http://www.sovavsiti.cz/css/w3c_buttons.html HTH Russ > > Dear newsgroup, > > this may be a bit off topic but I'm sure you can help me. I want

Re: [WSG] Examples of IE 5 / 5.5 / 6.0 CSS rendering

Hi SomeNewKid, You could look through Ian Hickson's site [1] for browser tests, but without a lot of pain you could do a simple test yourself. 1. Make an HTML page with full and correct doctype so you can be sure IE6 will render in standards complaint mode (if you do it in XHTML remember to take o

Re: [WSG] Flow from bottom?

One method - not tested but in theory: Place the content inside a container, and apply absolute positioning to the container: #contaner {position: absolute; left: 20px; bottom: 20px;} The container will set at the bottom of the viewport or its containing box and the content will flow up rather t

[WSG] A few more links

The Way Forward with Web Standards http://www.maccaws.org/kit/way-forward/ What Every Web Site Owner Should Know About Standards: A Web Standards Primer http://www.maccaws.org/kit/primer/ Russ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup

[WSG] Links for light reading...

Accessibility checklist: http://www.yourusabilityresource.com/2004/03/accessibility_c.html Evaluating web site accessibility: seven steps http://www.csun.edu/cod/conf/2004/proceedings/203.htm March for web standards http://hownow.brownpau.com/misc/m4west.html Four new Zen Garden entries: http://

Re: [WSG] hiding clear:both ?

he discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > for some hints on posting to the list & getting help > ***** Thanks Russ ---

Re: [WSG] hiring a standards-savvy designer

This thread has already been moved offlist to the discussion room: http://discuss.webstandardsgroup.org/archives/09.htm Please do not continue this thread onlist Russ > I agree Leo, programming takes a logical mind. Art takes a creative mind. > However there is a grey area, and I believe tha

[WSG] WSG Design competition is now open

As mentioned a week or so ago, We are introducing a design competition for members. The WSG site was designed and built very quickly when we first started up 12 months ago. It is in desperate need of a make-over, in front end design as well as structure. We would like to give WSG members the cha

Re: [WSG] Feedback on site :: color red

Or gang-green? > people and put them off. How about a soothing blue or a clinical green? * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting

Re: [WSG] hiring a standards... MOVED TO DISCUSSION ROOM

This thread has been moved to the Discussion Room. Please post all further comments to: http://discuss.webstandardsgroup.org/archives/09.htm Thank you, WSG Core - making your list a better place... * The discussion list for http://webstanda

[WSG] David Woodbridge, video, numbers, venue

Hi all, First of all there has been heaps of response to the David Woodbridge event (15th April), both from Sydney people wanting to attend the event and from members for other cities wanting access to the information. 1. For non-Sydney members: We will audio and video tape the event. Both audio

Re: [WSG] Unwanted Visitors

>From now on, please reply directly to Jaime rather than to the list, as this is OT Thanks Russ > Jaime Wong wrote: >> >> Today I went to check my site statistic for fun and have a look at the >> Links from an external page (other web sites except search engines)". >> >> I saw a couple of susp

Re: [WSG] CSS 3-col draft: Request for opinion

Instead of one screenshot, how about 23 screenshots: http://www.browsercam.com/public.aspx?proj_id=55491 Click on the small screenshot to see full size versions. Russ > Russ, I'll appreciate if you can send me a screen shoot, please... thank > you! > > Too bad, I was hoping it could hold... >

Re: [WSG] CSS 3-col draft: Request for opinion

> Do you think it will hold? Or is it to clumpsy? Can someone tell me what > happens in a IE/Mac environment? MacIE - breaks badly. Three columns end up one under each other - seems to be a width issue. Can send screen shot if needed. Russ * Th

Re: [WSG] What do you think?

can convert the code to work with a list... > I will try, otherwise I can just use a   to spread it... > Chris Stratford > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Http://www.neester.com > > > russ weakley wrote: >> Chris, >> >> The tabs looks really nice but Tonico does hav

Re: [WSG] What do you think?

Chris, The tabs looks really nice but Tonico does have a point. If you strip out all css styles, the links will appear in one line with very little between them - making them hard to distinguish on older browsers, browsers that have css switched off or text-based browsers.. Could you convert that

Re: [WSG] CSS & the Linux documentation project

Well, we have seen some amazing stuff come out of TheManinBlue - auto accessible forms, css scrabble... Is this a hint about an upcoming project? Something like a Blind-monkey-auto-layout-tool ? :) Russ > Geeze, if Slashdot is meant to be the domain of > supposedly tech-savvy readers, it's scar

Re: [WSG] New site - looking for feedback

There is: http://webstandardsgroup.org/go/resourcecat12.cfm Feel free to add your own work to this section, as that is what it is for! Russ > That's that only thing I could find in what is an aesthetically pleasing > design that is a credit to the WSG. Maybe it's time for a WSG Member's > port

[WSG] WSG member gets a good wrap

Always exciting to see a WSG member getting a good wrap! The Weekly Standard has given this weeks award to Jeff Lowder from Accessibility 1st for his site - Young Achievement Australia. There is a review of the site and also an interview with Jeff: http://www.weeklystandards.com/archives/2004/03/

Re: [WSG] Somewhat frustrated

John, Yes, there are slight differences in browsers, but these are easy to overcome. There are a lot of un-needed classes in your code. The aim is to use as few as possible, and use descendant selectors to do their work. Theoretically, for this layout you should only need a few id's on the contain

[WSG] Some links...

BBC Broadcast goes full CSS: http://www.bbcbroadcast.com/ New css layout resources: http://intensivstation.ch/css/template.php Eric Meyer on CSS, "just a shiny new tool": http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/200403.html#d23t1304 Zeldman launches Happy Cog 3 - his company website revamped: http:

Re: [WSG] What's wrong with this page??

Yes, two good places to start. And if you want the "definitive list" (if there ever is such a thing) of CSS resources, try here: http://www.d.umn.edu/itss/support/Training/Online/webdesign/css.html I think this massive resource is maintained by one person, Laura Carlson, who is also on the WSG lis

Re: [WSG] Romania

Razvan, At present you are it! But hang in there... Russ > Any users from Romania, beside me? * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & g

Re: [WSG] Auto Width [Virus checkedAU]

Some basic definitions http://css.maxdesign.com.au/floatutorial/definitions.htm Block level example http://css.maxdesign.com.au/floatutorial/introduction02.htm Inline example http://css.maxdesign.com.au/floatutorial/introduction01.htm HTH Russ > At 16:27 +1100 26/3/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [WSG] New User - NOW IN DISCUSSION ROOM

Hi all, This is a perfect thread for the discussion room: http://discuss.webstandardsgroup.org/archives/06.htm Pop by, leave a comment, introduce yourselves to other Brisbane (and region) people. Also, let us know if you want to get a meeting set up and we can get it started. Being the discu

[WSG] Opera and speech

Opera has launched a new version with speech technology. http://www.opera.com/pressreleases/en/2004/03/23/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to t

[WSG] Important email for WSG ADMIN

Hi all, The list traffic is growing daily. This is a very good sign, as it shows the list is being used and information is being shared - which is our mission. While some people are used to high-volume lists, there are many who prefer low volume lists. But can we please everyone? Hopefully the an

Re: [WSG] How about adding a reply email address to each...

Tom, Please, as requested on several occasions, don't clog the list with admin type requests, suggestions or comments as it adds to unnecessary traffic. Instead, mail them directly to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you Russ > individual message in the digest? That way one can just click on the bloc

Re: [WSG] Font size, and how large is large enough?

OK. The font size threat has given us all some great information and has generated interesting discussion, but it has been dragging out a bit. Unfortunately it has moved into new territory. This thread is now officially closed! Russ > So you're saying we should all just use black default font

[WSG] Digest mode

To set your membership to "digest mode" simply email [EMAIL PROTECTED] and in the body of the email (subject irrelevant) put the following words: Set mode digest wsg Be aware that our digest mode is not great! We are still working around problems with our vendor - an ongoing battle. Any questions

Re: [WSG] Font size, and how large is large enough?

webstandardsgroup.org/ >> See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm >> for some hints on posting to the list & getting help >> * >> >> > > **

Re: [WSG] Centering one box in the center of the page with a footer attached

Hi Brian, Hard to tell from the description - a mockup might help, but here is a page that may be of benefit... Dead Center: http://www.wpdfd.com/editorial/thebox/deadcentre4.html HTH Russ > Hello, > > I am trying to figure out how to do the following and am doing little more > than making my

Re: [WSG] Font size, and how large is large enough?

Font size is a hotly debated topic. At one extreme of the font size debate are accessibility purists who believe that web designers and developers should not touch default font size at all [1],[2], and at the other extreme you have the "pixel-perfect" web designers setting absolute pixel sizes on c

Re: [WSG] Standards-compliant browsers - in order!

Justin, You make a lot of very good points. However, a lot depends on the layout you are doing. For many layouts, I don't think this should be necessary. I generally do not run into major IE problems, or at least problems that are not well documented (3 pixel jpg, box model, double margin, carri

Re: [WSG] drop down menus

w.brainjar.com> - as it gives a real windows look > and feel (if that is what the client is after) except that one looks better as > it works in IE 5.01, which the brainjar one doesn't. > Thanks Russ --

Re: [WSG] Standards-compliant browsers - in order!

Hi Martin, 1. Coding methodology --- I would recommend coding to standards, but checking across as many browsers as possible throughout the process of building layouts. The keys are (a) use as many browsers as possible, (b) check often and (c ) deal with layout issues a

Re: [WSG] [CSS] IE6 header issue.

> So a BIG thanks to Russ and I know it's kind of late but if you have > any objections to the similarities please let me know so we can "rejig". > No objections to any of my templates being used partially or fully. They were put online to be used and/or abused as needed :) Russ **

Re: [WSG] Opera market share

Try here: http://snapshot.opera.com/mac/m750p3.html Russ > Where can I get the Opera 7.5 Beta? Couldn't see an obvious link on > the site... > > --- > Justin French > http://indent.com.au > > * > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgrou

[WSG] Help us redesign the WSG site

Hi all, The WSG site was built very quickly when we first put the group together (just over a year ago). It is very much overdue for a redesign. In the spirit of group ownership, we thought it would be a good idea to open the process up to all members. Here is our idea: 1. Any member can submit a

Re: [WSG] A rave about 's

Tonico, At the risk of flogging a dead horse, I realised that I gave you only an opinion instead of a reason why there should be only one on a page. I think it is critical that even if there are two distinct topics on a page, there must be some overall summary of them, and this should be used on

Re: [WSG] A rave about 's

We could probably argue this back and forward, but I feel very strongly that there should be only one on a page and it should be the page title. I used to think it should be the site name but am moving away from that stance now. To use your example of 2 company founders - there would always need

Re: [WSG] Opera market share

> That said, my guess would be that while the aim is to code in a That's cool. I do running checks across 12 browsers ever time I am laying out a page. Code a section, check all browsers, code a section... :) Russ > standards-compliant way, *in practice* what tends to happen (for me, > anyway)

Re: [WSG] Opera market share

Hugh, I don't mean to jump on this comment, so apologies if take out of context, but the aim is to code for standards first, then deal with individual browser issues as they come up. We should not need to "code for Opera". While they all have slight idiosyncrasies, recent versions of browsers su

Re: [WSG] Purpose of this mailing list

Hi Peters, Welcome to the list. That is one of our aims here - to keep it informative but also as friendly as possible. We have designers and developers with a very wide range of skills and skill levels. But we are all in the same web standards boat :) The best quote on friendly attitude would h

[WSG] Some links for reading...

Hi-Fi Design with CSS - Douglas Bowman: http://www.stopdesign.com/present/sxsw2004/hifi/ Hi-Fi Design with CSS - Dave Shea: http://www.mezzoblue.com/archives/2004/03/18/hifi_design_/ CSS: The Good, the Bad, & the Ugly: http://www.stopdesign.com/present/sxsw2004/goodbad/ Accessible Tabs With CSS:

Re: [WSG] Just got an eMac - now I'm more confused than ever!

John, Leo has already solved your problem, which is excellent, but it might be worth reading this article - which explains the two main methods of centering using CSS. CSS Centering - fun for all: http://www.maxdesign.com.au/presentation/center/ Russ > I had to put the whole page into a table (a

Re: [WSG] A rave about 's

gn very aesthetically > pleasing, his all list design did inspired Pat Collins to show us how > function and style can go together with lists replacing divs. Thans > again for the links. I really learned something today. > > Leo >

Re: [WSG] FIR "deprecated" [WAS: A rave about 's]

This is a good point, but keep in mind you should start a new post, not just reply to an old post and change the subject. This is due to threading. All emails have identifiers hidden in the headers that keep track of conversations. If you change the subject, this thread identifier still ties it to

Re: [WSG] A rave about 's

I don't know how to answer that as many blogs are set up differently. The most interesting one, in terms of markup would have to be Tanteks blog - the entire page is set up using ordered lists: http://tantek.com/log/2004/03.html Another guy who talks about this (link stolen from dezwozhere.com): h

[WSG] Next Sydney meeting - a fantastic guest presenter

The next Sydney meeting has been moved back from the 8th to the 15th April to avoid the Easter long weekend. We have a special presenter for the night - David Woodbridge. David works at the Royal Blind Society. His jobs is to evaluate client websites from a blind perspective (yes, he is blind). H

Re: [WSG] Scroll bars

Let me summarise recent comments on this topic (from our list): "Scrollbar is not in the CSS spec and should not be used - it's an MS "addition" to the CSS spec that messes with the user's UI widgets. Also, your CSS won't validate." "They are not real CSS functionsŠJust scraps that IE added in to

Re: [WSG] A rave about 's

ench > http://indent.com.au > > * > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > for some hints on posting to the list & getting help > ***

Re: [WSG] Hiding styles message to certain browsers

en (CSS2 11.2) will just make it invisible, > like Kevin Bacon in that really bad movie. > > Another point to pick up on this discussion was seen with Peter's cinema > site - doing something like this will cause your message to appear in > search engine listings. >

[WSG] A rave about 's

I've been thinking about a post from a few days ago that has been bothering me. The comments in this post highlight the difference between "valid markup" and "structurally-sound markup": Question: "...you have the headings of these as s I'm not sure if you should have more than one a page? is tha

Re: [WSG] Hiding styles message to certain browsers

know to whom you're > supplying the message... > > Nate > > > .: Nate Cook : 773 405 4073 : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : www.natecook.com :. > > On Mar 17, 2004, at 8:17 AM, Jeremy Flint wrote: > >> you can also use >> >> .hide { >> display: no

Re: [WSG] Hiding styles message to certain browsers

These guys use the following CSS rule: .hide { height: 0; width: 0; overflow: hidden; position: absolute; } HTML: If you are reading this on a mobile device browser or a text browser, you can safely skip to the content. ... Russ > How do I provide a message to users

Re: [WSG] Only IE or Actual CSS Rule

If I could just cover my butt here... Patrick is correct! The info I posted below is the RECOMMENDATION from W3C, but as we all know, browsers interpret this stuff in their own way. So, it's always best to assume the worst and take off margins if that is what you require - this will fix the issue

Re: [WSG] Only IE or Actual CSS Rule

rowser... > > but maybe i just havn't looked into it enough. > > > just wondering! > Cheers! Thanks Russ --- Russ Weakley Max Design Phone: (02) 9410 25

[WSG] Brief reminder about Read Receipts

Although it is mentioned in our new guidelines, just a quick reminder... Please, make sure you turn off Read Receipts. They cause all sorts of problems for the WSG list. Peter, who is catching and filtering all our error messages, has been hit with over 90 of them this morning. Thanks Russ *

[WSG] Some links for reading...

/information_architecture/footers.php Russ --- Russ Weakley Max Design Phone: (02) 9410 2521 Mobile: 0403 433 980 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.maxdesign.com.au

[WSG] Brief reminder about Read Receipts

Although it is mentioned in our new guidelines, just a quick reminder... Please, make sure you turn off Read Receipts. They cause all sorts of problems for the WSG list. Peter, who is catching and filtering all our error messages, has been hit with over 90 of them this morning. Thanks Russ *

[WSG] Important message from WSG Admin for all members!

Hi all, Over the last few months we have had a steady increase in users joining the list. Just in the last 48 hours we have had a large increase in members from the CSS-F list. So, first of all, welcome to all new members. We hope you find this list friendly, helpful and informative! We also look

Re: [WSG] Netscape versions

That is a loaded question... Depends on what level of browser you intend to support. I'd install 7, 6 and 4.x, just so you can see how it operates, but that is just me... All browsers are available here: http://browsers.evolt.org/ Russ > What's a good version of Netscape Navigator to check in?

Re: [WSG] text and graphic on one line PROBLEM SOLVED!

AuntySpam, Apologies, but you have it backwards. An individual ID can appear ONCE only on a page. An individual class can appear as many times as needed on a page. Russ > Or even the other way around perhaps? > > One use on a page : ID > Multiple use : class > > As I understand it, you

[WSG] Web Content Accessibility Guidelines 2.0 working draft

Web Content Accessibility Guidelines 2.0 - Working Draft Published 11 March 2004 http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/WD-WCAG20-20040311/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *

Re: [WSG] opinions on use of css shorthand properties

A good point! By "set these values previously", Mark means "set these values further up the document tree". For example, if you set "font-weight: bold" on a container (like a element), this will be inherited by elements within that container (like content within a element). In these particular

Re: [WSG] text and graphic on one line PROBLEM SOLVED!

ID's can be applied to many html elements in the same way as classes. Is there any advantage using ID's instead of classes? Yes and no, depending on your needs: http://css.maxdesign.com.au/selectutorial/advanced_idclass.htm Of course, the aim for all web developers is to use as few classes and id

Re: [WSG] opinions on use of css shorthand properties

The first question you need to asks is what browsers you intend to support. That will dictate many things, including the amount of shorthand css you use. For example, if you are including NN4 as one of your target browsers, this will limit the amount of shorthand CSS you can use. Once you have mad

Re: [WSG] text and graphic on one line

Maureen, The main question would be this; do you want the logo to be included on the page as essential content or do you see it as part of the presentation - if it is the latter, then you are probably best off putting it inside the CSS rather than on the page. Once this decision is made, there ar

[WSG] Some more links for light reading

Optimizing Your Chances with Accessibility Effectively increasing search engine ranking with W3C Accessibility guidelines and Section 508 http://www.digital-web.com/features/optimizing_accessibility.shtml The End-All Guide to Small-Screen Web-Dev http://hotwired.lycos.com/webmonkey/04/12/index4a.h

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