Re: [WSG] Validation and Accessibility Reports out side of the W3C
We actualy got around it using Dreamweavers RegEx support in its Find and Replace On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 04:59 , Mordechai Peller [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: Mark Harwood wrote: Now we have just run a SiteMore.com check on part of the development site and it has come back kicking and screaming at us as we are using WIDTH and HEIGHT on 's and ALIGN on 's It shouldn't be that difficult to write a small program to go through the files and whenever it finds a table with width or height, or an aligned image, to remove the attributes and either add a style attribute or add an id and insert the style rules in a style block. The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] PHP CSS Your Here Effect
Simple way is to call a varible to echo out a class on the selected menu or as i
do it too add a id to the body tag of the page and stle menu links by there own
class, there many ways of doing it.
check out the monc style on the menu i released on Xhtmlandcss.co.uk
http://xhtmlandcss.co.uk/index.php?p=9
Mark Harwood
Phunky.co.uk / Xhtmlandcss.co.uk / Zinkmedia.co.uk
On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 10:52 , Chris Kennon [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent:
Hi,
Thanks, but when testing locally with my php/mySQL server, a blank page
appears in the browser. What did I goof?
$menu =
Home
passed.Archives
About
MattPhotos
Music
MENU;
$lines = split(\n, $menu);
foreach ($lines as $line) {
$current = false;
preg_match('/href=([^]+)/', $line, $url);
if (substr($_SERVER[REQUEST_URI], 0, 5) == substr($url[1], 0, 5))
{
$line = str_replace('
}
echo $line.\n;
}
?
On Sunday, November 28, 2004, at 10:00 AM, Rob Mientjes wrote:
Afraid you don't have to: http://photomatt.net/scripts/intellimenu
On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 09:55:15 -0800, Chris Kennon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Hi,
The goal is including the navigation as a php include on each
page, my question is how to control the your here selection, for
each
page with possibly a php variable, coding an
dynamically based upon the page being viewed.
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Re: [WSG] IE's New JavaScript Blocking Feature
The best and only way i do pop-ups is href=http://google.com/; onclick=window.open(this.href, 'popupwindow', 'width=400,height=300,scrollbars,resizable');return false; this allows you to do whatever you like with the link and also makes it valid, right click-able and so forth.. Remeber to put onKeypress too Mark Harwood -- Phunky.co.uk / Xhtmlandcss.co.uk / Zinkmedia.co.uk -- Currently looking for Freelance / Contract work ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] IE's New JavaScript Blocking Feature
OnActivation would proberly be better to use, only reason i state to use onKeyPress is that validators moan if u dont use it. But whatever way you activate the link, this is still the best way to get a pop up or a new page. On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 20:19 , Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: Mark Harwood Remeber to put onKeypress too I'd disagree. I've had this rant before, but here goes: onclick is not a device specific handler. Onclick is also activated by the keyboard (e.g. hitting return when focus is on a link). It's a misnomer, and should really be onactivation or something. True, very old browsers may have only had onclick triggered by the mouse, but these are very rare. In addition, if somebody *was* using something like Netscape 4 and only using the keyboard, with this method they'd still get to the linked document, just that it won't pop up (as NN4.x is one of those that don't consider the keyboard to give off onclick events). So, accessibility wise, you're covered. Adding onkeypress can actually do more harm than good. Firefox (and I think Mozilla as well) *correctly* interpret *all* keys as onkeypress, even the TAB key. So, having something activate onkeypress will mean that keyboard users won't be able to tab beyond that particular link. Patrick H. Lauke -- _ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] IE's New JavaScript Blocking Feature
On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 16:05 , Derek Featherstone [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: My vote: let the automated checkers moan about this all day. Ignore them. Don't add onkeypress in the name of accessibility and device independence... Try telling that to SOCTiM who check all local council sites, they take the guidlines as if there written in stone! ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Validation and Accessibility Reports out side of the W3C
Im currently working on a project for a local council to make there site Accessible and Validate. Now as with most developers im working with W3C's HTML validate and WebXact from watchfire for Accessibility. Now the site is very large and as such a lot of the old content is still HTML 4.01 Trans, but is validates fine and also gets AA accessibility. Now we have just run a SiteMore.com check on part of the development site and it has come back kicking and screaming at us as we are using WIDTH and HEIGHT on table's and ALIGN on img /'s Now I know these attributes are now redundant by W3C and were are advised not too use them in future projects, but they also state they will carry on being supported for backwards compatibility. Is sitemore.com correct in saying that we fail AA? as we have these attributes? Even though there all relative measurements? They state this is the only way to be AA and that also we should not use 4.01 Trans but should use Strict. Now I agree, if we had the time to sort out all the old static content we would go though and make it all XHTML 1.0 but sadly we don't have time so were going through the guidelines and getting it Valid and to AA standards. The other issues with this is that they have only just brought this into place right at the start of reports by SOCITIM (government report thingy!) and they use Sitemore to check the councils websites. My argue is that they cant state were invalid and don't pass AA as they are being to strict to the guidelines. Also they stated that we should move to Strict XHTML and use inline styles, which I know is invalid. But what you lot think? Sorry for my long winded rant, just weve been working on this none stop for the last 10days to get it sorted in time and now they move the goal posts, guess its like the FA over ruling FIFA :S Many Thanks Mark Harwood Phunky.co.uk / Xhtmlandcss.co.uk / Zinkmedia.co.uk / Currently out of contract ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] What you think? And will it work
http://xhtmlandcss.co.uk/index.php?p=4 Well all weekend ive finally been getting this site sorted after about 3months of saying I would. Basically im going to offer templates, menus and such that I either didn't use for clients work or test ones. Id also like some advice on the copyright side of things? Should I use one of them creative commerce thingies? Ps. Sites not live yet hence lack of content :) Many thanks Mark Harwood Phunky.co.uk / xhtmlandcss.co.uk / zinkmedia.co.uk / Currently looking for work ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] What you think? And will it work
Yeah, I shall be placing a powered by wordpress bit, just not got round to that bit yet :) And as for your Someone had to do it your damn right :) I shall be opening up the site to other to submit stuff too maybe not public but if people wanted to join up drop me a mail -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob Mientjes Sent: 14 November 2004 19:53 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] What you think? And will it work Creative _Commons_ is the best you can do. Another thing you might want to add is a link or even generator meta to WordPress. It's published under the same CC you're referring to. On the concept: well, someone had to do it. On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 19:44:13 -, Mark Harwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://xhtmlandcss.co.uk/index.php?p=4 Well all weekend ive finally been getting this site sorted after about 3months of saying I would. Basically im going to offer templates, menus and such that I either didn't use for clients work or test ones. Id also like some advice on the copyright side of things? Should I use one of them creative commerce thingies? Ps. Sites not live yet hence lack of content :) Many thanks Mark Harwood Phunky.co.uk / xhtmlandcss.co.uk / zinkmedia.co.uk / Currently looking for work ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Cheers, Rob. http://www.zooibaai.nl/b/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Creating Nice Pop-Ups
Hey list, Right im using the good old methord of nice pop-ups as shown by by idol youngpup (http://youngpup.net/2003/popups) now as soon as you use onClick in your HTML WebXACT and Bobby throw up a fit saying that it does not pass AA thanks to 9.3 Make sure event handlers do not require use of a mouse. Which my links dont require, now what im wanting to know is there away to call onClick form a external JS and then apply it through another function? Allowing us to have Accessible Pop-ups? Ive got one idea of scanning links and replacing them on the fly with JS which im going to try in a second but i thought id just rattle all you brainheads on the list. dunno if you would class a accessible issuse worth use of the list, but if not im sorry. Thanks anyways Mark Harwood Phunky.co.uk / Zinkmedia.co.uk / Xhtmlandcss.co.uk - Currently looking for work ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Creating Nice Pop-Ups
Its ok ive figured it out for my self, please someone give me the lists dunse hat please! all you need for nice popups are... href=http://www.phunky.co.uk/; onclick=window.open(this.href); return false; onkeypress=window.open(this.href); return false; Thanks anyways Mark Harwood Phunky.co.uk / Zinkmedia.co.uk / Xhtmlandcss.co.uk - Currently looking for work On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 10:25 , Mark Harwood WebMail [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: Hey list, Right im using the good old methord of nice pop-ups as shown by by idol youngpup (http://youngpup.net/2003/popups\) now as soon as you use onClick in your HTML WebXACT and Bobby throw up a fit saying that it does not pass AA thanks to 9.3 Make sure event handlers do not require use of a mouse. Which my links dont require, now what im wanting to know is there away to call onClick form a external JS and then apply it through another function? Allowing us to have Accessible Pop-ups? Ive got one idea of scanning links and replacing them on the fly with JS which im going to try in a second but i thought id just rattle all you brainheads on the list. dunno if you would class a accessible issuse worth use of the list, but if not im sorry. Thanks anyways Mark Harwood Phunky.co.uk / Zinkmedia.co.uk / Xhtmlandcss.co.uk - Currently looking for work The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] css snippet
On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 04:44 , Bennie Shepherd [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: Am I just dense? :o) Think you answered the question you self fella... Ive never known it possible to use a wildcard (*) to select all elements, it would be nice but i dont think its possible Mark Harwood -- Phunky.co.uk / Xhtmlandcss.co.uk / Zinkmedia.co.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] should you refuse to support IE?
I did say not commercialy, but on my personal site... Altho my worries is that it could effect my commercial work :S On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 12:29 , Mike Pepper [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: I just wanna know your view on ditching IE on purpose? Commercial suicide :o) Mike Pepper Accessible Web Developer () www.seowebsitepromotion.com GAWDS Admin [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.gawds.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]','','','')[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mark Harwood Sent: 18 October 2004 12:10 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] should you refuse to support IE? Not commercialy, but personaly on your own blog sites are other little community sites? I've just redesigned my blog (www.phunky.co.uk) and in doing so i decided i was not going to touch some of the minor issuse that IE has with my site, although it would only take me a little bit of time to get it 100% in IE aswell why should i? Ive placed a small disclaimer on my site stateing why im NON-IE but my only worry is that new clients or outsourcing companies may see this and think The guy hates IE, he could be a git to work with (which i am :D) I just wanna know your view on ditching IE on purpose? Cheers Mark Harwood Phunky.co.uk / Xhtmlandcss.co.uk / Zinkmedia.co.uk The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] should you refuse to support IE?
On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 12:58 , john [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: Doesn't ditching IE run contrary to the whole idea of accessibility and using Web standards? It does, but im not really ditching IE im more just refusing to add the fix's for th PNG-LOGO and sorting the margin/padding issuse with the headlines at the top. Guess im just being lazy and should really just spend 10mins and sort it out :/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] should you refuse to support IE?
On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 09:35 , Christie Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: Why is this site best viewed with FireFox? Try it and experience the difference. I do like this approach, and even tho i do link to Browserhappy.com and spreadfirefox i think the NON-IE bit should be reworked to promote the other browsers, as the issuses with IE are not major and do not stop people viewing the content i could get away with leaving them. Looks like this has been quite a intresting little discussion, this is the first time i have ever thought of dropping IE from a sites spec and im still tempted to do so, but some of you have pointed out the extact worrys i had if i did so... Cheers guys, as usual full of help :D Mark Harwood -- Phunky.co.uk / Xhtmlandcss.co.uk / Zinkmedia.co.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Letterhead/footer using print style?
Lorenzo, If you placed some div's with say a class of printOnly you could hide them in you normal style sheet but then show them in you print one. That would solve your problem very simply Mark Harwood --- Phunky.co.uk / Zinkmedia.co.uk / XhtmlandCss.co.uk --- Currently Looking for Employment ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] shrinking p whitespace
Hi Rick, Welcome to the group :D as for the whitespace around the P have you removed padding and margin from it? and if so have you removed it from any surrounding elemenets? thats normaly the main cause of whitespace around a P Hope that helps you on your way a bit... Mark Harwood Phunky.co.uk / Zinkmedia.co.uk / XhtmlandCss.co.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] PNG with alpha trans in IE
2 seconds in google and you could found it yourself... But here you go http://www.koivi.com/ie-png-transparency/ Mark Harwood -- Phunky.co.uk / Zinkmedia.co.uk / Xhtmlandcss.co.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Article: Ten CSS tricks you may not know
Ten CSS tricks corrected and improved http://tantek.com/log/2004/09.html#d07t1434 Mark Harwood --- phunky.co.uk / zinkmedia.co.uk / xhtmlandcss.co.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Horizontal Scroll
On Mon, 6 Sep 2004 15:58 , Mark | Carbon Chip [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: Use overflow-x: scroll Sadly overflow-x and overflow-y are only currently supported in IE at the moment Mark phunky.co.uk / zinkmedia.co.uk / xhtmlandcss.co.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] commonly used order of styles within a css class
Morning Sean,
I tend to set mine out like below:
#element {
width : 768px ; height : auto ;
margin : 0px ; padding : 0px ;
background : #99cc00 ; color : #ccff00 ;
display : block ; float : left ;
}
anything else get bunged in at the bottom, but i always start
with the first 4 (width,height,margin,padding) dunno why tho,
guess its just habit!
Mark Harwood
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RE: [WSG] Scalable Inman Flash Replacement Technique
On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 13:49 , Hill, Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: Just a note on this I tested it with a demo version of Jaws and it read the heading text, it did read it as a flash object though, so maybe for other screenreading software the heading may not read? Is anyone in a position to test this? Time Screen readers should pick up the text in the stylesheet, not the flash object! i've tested it on a current project (http://www.southtyneside.info/project_area/cleadonpark/) works really well! Mark Harwood http://phunky.co.uk http://zinkmedia.co.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] background image on a horizontal list.
Lennart,
Using display:inline will cancel out the width of the element and make it as wide
as the text inside of it,
what i tend to do when creating horizontal menu's is
#menu-UL { margin : 0px ; padding : 0px ; }
#menu-UL li { margin : 0px ; padding : 0px ; float : left ; }
#menu-UL li a { width : 100px ; background : #99cc00 ; padding : 5px ; }
Hope that help's fella
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Re: [WSG] CSS competition
Sound's very nice johna i shall deffently be submitting one or two templates for you! Would you have any problem with me also offering the one's i submit to you on my new project xhtmlandcss.co.uk ? or would you like soley right's to them? Many Thanks Mark Harwood -- http://phunky.co.uk http://zinkmedia.co.uk http://xhtmlandcss.co.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Re: Xhtmlandcss.co.uk Email
Hi All, I've just bought the Domain XhtmlandCss.co.uk and wanted to offer email forwarders to anyone intrested in one? I know its not what i should really use the list for but i just wanted to offer it out to y'all Just email me what you would like and where you would like it forwarding too... Cheers Mark Harwood http://phunky.co.uk http://zinkmedia.co.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Job Posting
Good Morning Marc, Just want to ask before i reply but would you be tempted by someone oversea's? Im willing to relocate just dont know all the in's and out's of if i would be able to or not straight away?! Anyway thought id ask first before i submit my resume to you. Many Thanks Mark Harwood http://phunky.co.uk http://zinkmedia.co.uk On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 10:03 , Marc Greenstock [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: I know it's not common for this list to hold job postings although we are really desperate to find someone here. From: http://jobs.careerone.com.au/search/dsp_show_job.cfm\?AD_ID=1235550 Shock Media Studios, (www.shockmedia.com.au) an Advertising and Information Technology based company, is seeking a qualified full-time Programmer with a high level of commitment to provision of consistently high standards of client service to join our Brisbane studio. The Candidate. The successful candidate will plan and develop websites, intranet, content management (CMS), eCommerce and data management systems, maintain and expand a number of established corporate websites and provide in-house information technology expertise. To be successful in this position you need to meet the following minimum criteria; using PHP technology, MySql, JavaScript, CSS HTML/XHTML; standards; The Application. Via Email. Email your resume and cover letter to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Via Phone. Shock Media Studios (07) 3254 0955 The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] RE: Image replacement techniques for linked elements
H all i do is place a set of [span] tag's around the text and make the [a] tag a block element and give it the background image... Much like i've done on http://phunky.co.uk/2005/ in the menu... Nice and simple! ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] pagesauce.com
Yeh, its not a bad idea... im waiting to be able to change www.southtyneside.info in to XHTML and get rid of the crappy code that there old designer did... Hardest thing is working for a company that thinks there the dog's bollox but when someone from outside there office comes in a show there mistake they dont like hearing them. Already got the basic layout ready to be implemented http://www.southtyneside.info/project_area/southtyneside/ Lot nicer to work with, alot quick, alot smaller! and Compliant :) * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] pagesauce.com
Deffo! i think the UK designer you was on about was the guy that made the hugely popular Odeon cinema site, that in the end grew more popular then the Offical one! It was ok untill people started getting confused with which site was offical and which was just a listing of show times... * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] Fixed vs flexible layouts
Well i think i found the best of both worlds... and Fluid/Elastic Design http://www.southtyneside.info/project_area/southtyneside/xhtml/elastic.asp :) * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Smooth fonts with CSS
You mean to Anti-Alias them... Sadly there no way you can do this just thru CSS, you could use Shaun Inmann's Flash Replacement Trick, which scans you code and replaces what you select with Flash http://www.shauninman.com/mentary/past/ifr_revisited_and_revised.php Ive used it on many projects and its great! * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Fixed vs flexible layouts
Well im just swaying away from my gotta keep it fixed way of thinking and slowly getting on with Stretch it like a rubber Johnny as i still dont think a full fluid layout works 100% of the time. But an Elastic one does! As you can still set your width's and if you do everything in EM's images,margins,padding and borders then it should scale up and down very well! the only problem i've seen is with the like of floats and positioning... I've started playing with this (http://www.southtyneside.info/project_area/southtyneside/xhtml/test.asp) yesterday to see if an Elastic design is viable and im pretty much set to move over from Pixel to EM's as it not any harder, just gotta learn the relative size's! The only thing i've found a problem is controling the Text size! Cos as soon as you change the font-size of and element it starts to mess with it width and height too!! * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Hacks
I never used to use any of the Hacks (Hax 4 those who play CS!) as i could never get around to learning them so in fact i use to just work around them as much as i could. But i do now find myself using the underscore hack alot for IE, but only to give things like min-height values to an element or even to nudge some sizing information a pixel or two down. Hacks are dirty and we should try and avoid them at all costs but sometimes we just need to do it, for the sake of IE mainly Mark Harwood http://phunky.co.uk/2004/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] Hacks
On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 20:55 , Geoff Deering So I pose another question, if it was a perfect world and it supported CSS properly, what percentage of your development time would be saved on each project? Very little now, as i've developed a standard for all my sites, which you can tell via the markup. But it would have saved me huge amount during the rather large learning curve that i started with. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] Submenu bug in FireFox...
Right, im playing with an Elastic Menu system built apon Nested ulli's Now i know this would be frowned apon probelry! But im open to a better way in doing it? Anyway, back to my bug! On FireFox when you click on the Nav and it opens the SubNav it Throws the Parents li Items out to the side! instead of dropping them down like it does in IE! Now as im doing this in my new Every thing in EM's mode im finding it a little tricky to work out! so if you could have a gandar at http://www.southtyneside.info/project_area/sharelearnimprove/old/layouttest.asp and give us a hand at whats going wrong! Also do you like the way it looks (in IE at least) shud be able to totaly Increase and Decrease (by the time i finish!) it to any size! Many Thanks Mark Harwood www.phunky.co.uk/2004/ *Currenly looking for Employment!* * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Why do web developers user Firefox?
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Re: [WSG] Submenu bug in FireFox...
On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 14:44 , Mordechai Peller [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent:
ul {float : left;} means ALL UL's are floated left, including the nested
ul. The nested ul is floated in it's parent li. The solution:
ul ul {float : none;}
Thank you thats the bit i missed!! Yeah i was thinking of doing it via JavaScript,
but for now im just keeping it as taking you to the Project Intro first aswell
as reveling the menu.
As this is internal only it dont matter too much bout how user's interface with it!
but thanks for the heads up!
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[WSG] Keeping heights equal...
Good morning people, Im attempting to have two div's that are floated (one left, one right) staying to the same height as each other, now i know i've come accross this problem before and im sure the way i fixed it was by puting a div style=clear:both below the two floats. Now is that the correct way to do it? cos if so its not working on http://www.southtyneside.info/project_area/Leisure_project/final/ Im only having the problem in FireFox where it wont strech the height of the #widthContainer div which holds the entire site. Works fine in IE! Any help would be great! Mark Harwood www.phunky.co.uk www.zinkmedia.co.uk * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Keeping heights equal...
On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:45 , Joe Leech [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: I think this is a problem 99% of people on this list have had. And alas there is no simple solution. Alistapart has a great article that at least makes it seem like both divs are the same height.: Thanks joe, but im sure i've fixed this before! infact i know i have i just cant remeber for the life of me what i did! * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] Web Accessability IE Toolbar
Just incase none of you have come accross this bt i think its kinda kewl and handy... http://www.nils.org.au/ais/web/resources/toolbar/index.html Have fun! Mark Harwood www.phunky.co.uk * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] hand coding versus code generators
Well as far as standards are concered hand coding is the way to go, there just no tools out there that are good enuff to use... Sure Dreamweaver and other now markup there code 100x Better than the earlyer versions and also will make your code compatible, but still in a restrictive way. Also its so much quicker to develope via hand coding once you know it. I started off with Dreamweaver 2 and soon found myself in code view more then design view. Still to this day do i use Dreamweaver to code, but ive not even looked at any of the extra feature in it all i use is the built in ftp/file manager and code view.. and i wouldnt change it for the world, unless homesite had the ftp/file manager that Dreamweaver has Mark Harwood zinkmedia.co.uk * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] IFR
Show me your HTML cos im betting you have not named it right, and when the JavaScript scan's you HTML it wont find what its looking to replace... as for editing the Flash! it couldnt be simpler... Load, select text feild, set text, export... simple! * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] XHTML Transitional - Strict
Guess the best thing to do would be to change the doctype of one of you current sites, run it through the 1.0 Strick Validator and then see where you have gone wrong... I do almost all my sites in 1.0 STRICK so feel free to look at a few of them www.phunky.co.uk/2004/ www.phunky.co.uk/2003/ www.zinkmedia.co.uk http://www.phunky.co.uk/ims/ http://www.southtyneside.info/project_area/healthworks/ Last two are design betas so theres gonna be bugs in them, also the last one im currently working on today so expect it to change :E If you need any help on the switch over feel free to email myself of the list and ill do me best to help! Mark Harwood Phunky.co.uk * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Standard Hacks?
media=screen is not a hack, thats statin the proper display device target for the relavent stylesheet. Hacks are things like the IE Underscore hack, they tend to be workarounds for CSS properties that are not yet implemented in certain browsers or that need slightly differnt values, theres differnt hacks for each of the dodgy browsers. But you sould always look towards creating your site hack free as that is the best was to make sure its backward/forward and bloody even sideways compatible! Hacks are for the Cowbot webdesigner who hasnt done his job right in the first place! ( or for a client thats given too much hassle and not enough cash to make the recode cost effective! ;] ) Mark www.phunky.co.uk On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 23:11 , J4Web [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: Well; I am surprised, but pleased actually, that so many of you are saying that hacks are not part of the Standards Arsenal. I had got the impression that I needed to become familiar with gadzillian hacks and be able to draw the appropriate one out of the woodwork every ten lines of CSS code. But I am getting the message that one can produce Standards Compliant pages without hacking. I am not quite totally convinced, though, and some of the replies have gone in the direction of supporting a big fat list, if not including some hacks in standard templates. I wondered if there are some workarounds that people on this list use habitually and forget they use them, so I did a quick sample of some of the URLs at the bottom of peoples' posts and the only hack I found so far (but I have not searched very thoroughly) was on the webstandards.org.au site : @import url(/stylesheets/wsg_advanced.css); media=screen Is the import hack a candidate for first (or sole) item on the list of standard hacks? It seems pretty essential to me to get version 4 browsers to degrade gracefully. I am enjoying learning from those who have been in this game much longer than me. John The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] Min-Width IE Workaround ?
Im starting to create a Fluid CSS design, which im finding to be quite and arse in IE... But anyways, i've got the basic layout created, but i would now like to have a min-width, but just cant think of a way of getting it to work in IE. So what im asking is... Does anyone know a min-width work around or hack? that would at least give me the ability to set some form of restrain on the width of the site. Many thanks Mark www.phunky.co.uk * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Anti-spam mailto encoders using Character Entity Evasion
It does now... why not use the content: selector and set your email in there ;) Shame IE dont like Content: tho! * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] Make em' pay for IE
Thanks Jamie, i know this is off topic, but you dont happen to work at the sky offices in Hudderfeild do you? I had the pleasure of being offered a job there when i was about 19/20 and bodged it by requesting to much salary... they never got back to me _ On Fri, 4 Jun 2004 12:43 , Jamie Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: RE: [WSG] Make em' pay for IE I agree word for word with Mark on this Jamie Mason: Design -Original Message- From: Mark Harwood WebMail [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 June 2004 12:23 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] Make em' pay for IE Im sorry but you never ever suggest to a client that the site will not work in IE, 9 time out of 10 a client will only know about IE. If your suggesting standards you should know what and what not to do to make a standard site work accross all browsers. I would never ever suggest a site will take longer to do due to getting it to work in IE, if you have to do that state that there will be a extra Testing Period in which you will be working over multiple platforms and browsers to check all features are compatible. Your never gonna get a client that says i dont want this to work in ie! and if you ever did it more than like'ly the person could do it them self * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Make em' pay for IE
In other words, you'll lie to your client because you think they're too stupid to understand that dealing with the problems in IE is one of the costs of doing business and no less real than paying taxes and the electric company. Im sorry but i can safely say that i have no need to lie to my client as i get my project timelines correct the first time, i have no need to have to rework my projects due to issuse with IE as i know of the issuse IE has with CSS and i also have a pretty standard way of getting them all out of the way first time round. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] SkillSwap
Still kinda Useful info! Phunky * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Help validating a Counter script
Erm im not 100% sure but if you just stick it in a external .js page and doe the normal Script inclusion wouldnt that get around the nasty JavaScript and let it validate? * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] Help validating a Counter script
I never even checked his actual code :E assumed he knew what he was doing, just didnt know what to do with the JavaScript... On Wed, 2 Jun 2004 19:35 , Bert Doorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: Message G'day A couple of hints... 1. Close the meta tags: meta name=description content= / meta name=keywords content=. / 2. Escape the forward-slashes (/) in the counter script: img src=\http:\/\/1ro.cqcounter.com\/cgi-bin\/c?_id=razvan_z=0_r=+ See how you go after that. Regards -- Bert Doorn, Better Web Design [ www.bwdzine.net | www.betterwebdesign.com.au ] Fast-loading, user-friendly websites * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Should web standards cost more?
Could not agree more! End of the day validating a site is the least of you worries, unless that is what the client overall wants. To be honests i wouldnt even charge extra for a valid site, as in my eyes any true web developer should make sure it validates anyway, as it shows they know what there doing. I've currently taken on a great contract job with a uk council, and due to them requiring great w3c skills and bobby compatibility my skills in standards and css has got me a great job at nearly triple my normal rate! On Tue, 1 Jun 2004 19:19 , Mark Stanton [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: Hey Jackie I agree with you and think maybe I just didn't explain myself properly. A guy in high school who has made a site for his uncle and one for his soccer team is not going to be able to charge the same rate as someone who has been developing site professionally for a number of years. I completely agree with that point: rate should be based on quality of workmanship. This covers any service industry; architects, doctors, tilers, masseurs and web developers. But a developer's rate should be based on a broad range of factors, from the ability to guide the client through the process of designing a solution that fits their requirements through to the ability to implement the design effectively using whatever technologies are suitable. Web standards are a small but significant aspect of this and web standards are not always the right fit for every client. The idea that you can charge more for a site because it validates is missing the point entirely. Your site might be better than the one created by export to web from photoshop, but standards probably have very little to do with this difference. I'm sitting here now after work has officially finished and I'll be here for a while yet. Its not an exceptional day, I spend a lot of time outside of work hours learning. Tonight I might learn something that I don't know now and I might end up using that in a site I build tomorrow, but should I charge more for it? No way. The site might be of a slightly higher quality and all of these incremental changes in quality may add up to more happy clients and better sites in a portfolio. One day this might all add up to the point where I (or my accountant) realise that I can safely increase my rate. Or it might result in me winning a job because of my standards experience that I wouldn't have otherwise got. There's my reward. But until then I'll keep it where it is and keep learning how to build better sites. Knowledge of standards is very important but if you go to Bob's Pizza shop and think you can explain why you are 20% more expensive than that guy down the street by telling him the site you make will validate you're in for a rude surprise. Cheers Mark The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Should web standards cost more?
In a perfect world, but we always no when it comes to standards unless your keeping it simple i would never quote a hourly rate. Would rather go flat fee and get a even medium and make sure i get the job done, and keep the client happy and willing to come back... take http://authors.aspalliance.com/aylar/ViewPasteCode.aspx?PasteCodeID=2651 For example, it worked in FireFox but then as normaly! It kicked up a fuss and i spent a while getting it to work :S * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] Coming to Oz, looking for Freelance...
Now i know this is not a great use of the WSG, but as most the user do tend to be from Oz, im going to give this a shot. Im looking for a good list of Web design companys that may be willing to give me a little bit of freelance work, im going to be travelling around the whole country so it will only be short work. But anything would be great. So if anyones got anyone they would reccomend send a link my way :D thanks Mark Harwood www.phunky.co.uk * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] FireFox not playing with Height:Auto
Good morning People, Im Just having a mess around on a site, but for sum reason Firefox does not want to work with height:auto on a div that needs to strecth the one it's contained in. I rember someone tellin me before about a tecnique with clear:all that would make the content below where it should be. This is fustrating as im behind a firewall at work and so cant ftp to my website to upload the pages. But below is my code and the bit thats not working is #contentContainer and all within it. HTML - http://pastecode.net/?action=""> CSS - http://pastecode.net/?action=""> I'll try and get the file uploaded so you can see it live If you can help i'd be very greatfull * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
Re: [WSG] FireFox not playing with Height:Auto
D'oh! Thats the badger! Clear:Both not clear:all... Sorry brain dead moment On Tue, 18 May 2004 20:39 , Chris Stratford [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: Hey, there is no CLEAR: ALL method... http://www.w3schools.com/css/pr_class_clear.asp I think you mean: CLEAR: BOTH... Mark Harwood WebMail wrote: Good morning People, Im Just having a mess around on a site, but for sum reason Firefox does not want to work with height:auto on a div that needs to strecth the one it's contained in. I rember someone tellin me before about a tecnique with clear:all that would make the content below where it should be. This is fustrating as im behind a firewall at work and so cant ftp to my website to upload the pages. But below is my code and the bit thats not working is #contentContainer and all within it. HTML - http://pastecode.net/?action=""> CSS - http://pastecode.net/?action=""> I'll try and get the file uploaded so you can see it live If you can help i'd be very greatfull The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
RE: [WSG] Form not formatting correctly in Opera7.1
Its due to
#form label,input, select,textarea { display : block;
}
If you give it display:inline then it will
stay within you divs
Thats a nice little bug Operas got
there! As a rule I always give form elements display:inline
Kind regards,
Mark Harwood
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Message-
From: Michael Kear
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 26 February 2004 07:25
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [WSG] Form not formatting
correctly in Opera7.1
Can anyone see why Opera doesnt like this form
definition?
Ive looked and looked, but I cant see whats wrong with this form
in Opera 7.1. Of course its possible that Opera simply
misbehaves when it comes to forms, but I though it was reasonable
well-behaved. Anyone got any ideas what Ive done wrong?
The code and css is in the following file: http://afpsmartkids.com/testform.htm
(Oh and Im looking forward to meeting some of you WSGers at
tonights meeting at Star City!)
Cheers
Mike Kear
Windsor, NSW, Australia
AFP Webworks
http://afpwebworks.com
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Re: [WSG] Last error on Validator
Title: Message Yes you should, If its in your HTML it should me amp; not Thats why we validate :) - Original Message - From: Taco Fleur To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 10:11 AM Subject: [WSG] Last error on Validator http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fdevelopment.tacofleur.com%2Findex%2Fmethodology%2F Is this something I should really go and change? Its just feels weird to go and change the to amp; in the url values. Taco Fleur Blog http://www.tacofleur.com/index/blog/Methodology http://www.tacofleur.com/index/methodology/ 0421 851 786Tell me and I will forgetShow me and I will rememberTeach me and I will learn
Re: [WSG] Problems getting Mozilla to like Floats
:D eeeK trust me not to validate before posting!!!
Ta for that little float tip :) thats worked a treat!
Thanks very much for your help, great stuff that the first reply fix's the problem :D
Many Thanks
Mark Harwood
www.phunky.co.uk
On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 23:08 , russ weakley [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent:
Hi Mark,
First of welcome from lurker status :)
1. invalid page
http://validator.w3.org/check\?uri=http://www.phunky.co.uk/bs/
Just three items in the head of your document need " /" to be valid XHTML.
Always validate before testing or posting - like cleaning your teeth :)
Peter and I have been accused of obsession in this regard
(http://www.maxdesign.com.au/jobs/sitemap.cfm\) but it is very important!
2. the link to the css file does not work in some browsers as you did not
add a media, so this:
Should be this:
Or "all" if you want it to be printed etc. Safari does not recognise the CSS
file at all.
3. The problem is floats as you thought. Mozilla is doing the right thing.
Win/IE is not! The example I posted the other night explains the problem.
The container (in your case "content") does not recognise the height of a
floated item (sidemenu" div), so will close at the end of the static content
("news" div). The "sidemenu", as it is floated right, and as its height is
not recognised by the container, it pokes out the bottom. Check this for
more info:
http://www.maxdesign.com.au/presentation/floatsample.htm
Easy to fix. Just add a clearing devise below the two divs ("news" and
"sidemenu"), but inside the overall container.
HTH
Russ
Hey All,
This is my First mail to the group so go easy :)
Ive just started mocking up a little layout for the company i work for, and
ive run into a very annoying bug with Mozilla!
Have a look at http://www.phunky.co.uk/bs/ in IE Opera see how the content
stays within the layout!?
Well go have a look at it in Mozilla and Firebird... It wont extend the height
of the content wrapper, and totaly clears it :/ i know its to do with Floats
but i cant get my head round why?
Any Help will be great :D
Many Thanks
Mark Harwood
www.phunky.co.uk
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