Re: [WSG] New logo scheme was talking points for standards

[adam reitsma]

I think there is still a mentality of any of those awards/certified/compliant buttons just being a click stealer.Remember those web award badges you could stick on your site with pride in the early 90's - until you realised that it was only there to get users to click off your site?
I believe the results should be left to speak for themselves. Tailor your argument to your client. Find examples in the same / similar industry that use standards well, and show them what they're missing. Mention incidents where lawsuits are brought against large companies for not providing an accessible annual report, or the legal issues of being an inaccessible government site.
Show case studies of loading times, bandwidth savings, savings in design changes. Mention that this is the latest, greatest methodology in a gradually converging environment.Choose whichever of these - or other - arguments hold the most weight for your client.
I fail to see the value in a 'badge of honor'. It's rather lazy, as i can see - you're placing an icon on someone's site, without discussing the argument for the page to be accessible, or standards-friendly.Moreover, a seal of approval on an ugly, poorly designed site will show the utter lack of value of this 'certification'; a site with no touted adherence to any standards that is clean, crisp, and easy to use will get far more client approval.
So - let the results speak for themselves.On 12/7/05, Vincent Johansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:The whole deal about putting buttons on websites we make for clients is
in my humble opinion quite retarded. You're directing traffic straightout of your clients website and to a page where they go "Wha?" All of asudden you lost the user. Put those damn buttons on your own webpage if
you absolutely have to show everyone just how much you care about webstandards.I assume that if you're a webdesigner (or webprogramer or some sort ofcompany) you've got an informative page on your site where potensial
clients may read the benefits of building webpages with standards inmind and why you are the right person/company to do so.What we do not need is another worthless button/badge to put on thewebpages we (actually I mean you, because I don't put those buttons
everywhere) make. No matter how we tell average people about webstandards we can't do it with a button, they'll just go "Huh?". Theyhave no posibility to relate to it unless they read a 2000 words long
article about it and truly understand why this is so important for somepeople. Even if they realize that web standards is important for somepeople, they might be too selfish or ignorant that they won't give a
rats ass about it.Your clients need to hear that they'll save money and give users abetter experience while viewing his/hers pages. They don't need to hearthat they may or may not put a button on their page if they successfully
make a website that passes XHTML validation.If you absolutely want to tell people about webstandards write to yourlocal newspaper or something like that, just don't do it on the propertyof your clients.
RegardsVincent HasselgårdPeter Williams wrote:>>From: Patrick H. LaukePeter Williams wrote:>>>1 star for content to markup ratio
>>>1 star for validation of markup and cssLet the market regulate itself. Let standards-compliant markup sites>>take over because of their benefits actually manifesting themselves
>>(easier to maintain, faster, etc). We don't need yet another>>badge...imho of course.>>It's not yet another badge, it was a way to show compliance>in a way that average people could relate to. As a response
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Re: [WSG] talking points for standards

[adam reitsma]

Donna,This is where you really need to be thinking in terms of what the customer wants.So it's the hippest, coolest, latest code - so what? They really don't care - and shouldn't care.Come up with points that assist them - as Kim was saying, show where your 'methods' (and you don't really need much more discussion on what your methods are, unless they ask) come out ahead:
- Compare the end size of one of your pages vs one of theirs. Show how that affects your site's bandwidth usage, and how that could affect dialup users.- If there's a change to your site that you could forsee (for instance, color scheme change, slight layout change, etc), outline the time (=money) savings in changing your code, vs theirs.
- Add that your methods provide better search engine ratings (providing that you are also supplying the right content), and that your methods allow for greater accessibility. For some non-profit orgs this can be a real advantage.
Show them some numbers that prove that you know what you're talking about - loading times, page sizes, % of other browsers, etc.Good luck!--adam--On 12/6/05, 
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Donna,> That's why I mention the "measure" thingy and industrial standards. I> get the feeling that's something companies appreciate from a business> point of view.Several of my coworkers and I recently gave a talk on when we chose to use
Web standards (and when we didn't). We created a handout with some linksto articles on using Web standards. Maybe one of the articles would beuseful to you?Some of the reasons we chose to move to XHTML/CSS instead of table-based
design:* Faster load-times.* Smaller page sizes. (One site I did went from CSS-P to a table-basedtemplate upon the customer's request, and the page sizes all tripled.)* Better accessibility.* Greater visibility in Web searches,
* Better compatibility with browsers.* Future compatible with upcoming standards.I'll be happy to provide additional information if you like.Good luck with your situation.Kim Nylander
--These are some of the articles we used in the handout. Maybe they wouldhave something useful?Why Use Web Standards?Buy standards compliant Web sites (W3C QA article)
http://www.w3.org/QA/2002/07/WebAgency-RequirementsThe Way Forward with Web Standards (MACCAWS)http://www.maccaws.org/kit/way-forward/What are Web Standards and Why Should I Use Them? (WaSP)
http://www.webstandards.org/learn/faq/Web Standards Switch (W3C QA)http://www.w3.org/QA/2003/03/web-kit
Using StandardsLearn the Standards (WaSP)http://www.webstandards.org/learn/standards/What Every Web Site Owner Should Know About Standards: A Web Standards
Primer (MACCAWS)http://www.maccaws.org/kit/primer/Making your website valid: a step by step guide. (W3C QA)
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[WSG] Training Courses....

[adam reitsma]

Good day fellow standardistas,This request is quite off-topic, so please, reply off list.I am looking for training courses - more specifically, interface design, user interaction design, information architecture.
I have a very limited amount of time to suggest a course or two to my team leader, so i am enlisting your help - do you know of any (relatively short) courses that cater to any of these needs, preferably based around sydney?
It's easy for me to find a technical skills course (any type of coding course, for example), and it's easy for me to find a soft skills course (like time management, conflict resolution, etc), but I'm really struggling to find any companies who provide any forms of training in this area.
As information architecture and interface design is a big part of accessibility (laying out the interface and information in a site so that people can use it effectively), I was thinking that maybe someone may have some knowledge in this area.
Again, please respond off-list. Thanks for your time!Regards,Adam Reitsma

Re: [WSG] firefox 1.5 is official

[adam reitsma]

i don't think it actually ignores the second center... it just reads your body's height as 0px. Notice that if you have 'center top' it shows all of your background image, but with 'center center', it only shows half, as the background image has been vertically centered at 0px.
as a quick test - specifying the body height to 100% centers your image in FF 1.5 on PC.--adam--On 12/1/05, Zach <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Bah, problems already. When you use dead centering in CSS (
i.e.,background: url(picture) center center no-repeat;), it ignores thesecond center, even though it is perfectly valid CSS.The coming soon page on my site (byzach.com) is an example.
- ZachTed Drake wrote:>Firefox has just officially released 1.5>http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/releases/1.5.html>
>It's time to upgrade. If you haven't been using the beta, you'll be>pleasantly surprised.>>Ted>>>**>The discussion list for  
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Re: [WSG] Good practice of CSS styled forms

[adam reitsma]

hmmm... sorry, that wasn't all that form-specific, was it?here's some of my links on css forms, and the like:http://www.aplus.co.yu/css/styling-form-fields/
http://www.quirksmode.org/css/forms.htmlhttp://www.themaninblue.com/writing/perspective/2004/03/24/
http://www.quirksmode.org/css/forms.html...and one more focused on validation:http://www.xs4all.nl/~sbpoley/webmatters/formval.html
*note that by providing all these links, i do not necessarily vouch for their techniques!On 11/17/05, adam reitsma <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:here's one of many good starting points:
http://webstandardsgroup.org/resources/
On 11/17/05, 
GuruGorg.Network <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I started to build a directory of webmaster goodies on my website.Could you recommend me sites with examples, presentations, tutorialsof CSS styled forms.I hope it will be usefull for other members, too.

Thanx in advance,Goran MiticGuruGorg.Network - We build better websitesweb: www.gurugorg.net
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Re: [WSG] Good practice of CSS styled forms

[adam reitsma]

here's one of many good starting points:http://webstandardsgroup.org/resources/On 11/17/05, 
GuruGorg.Network <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I started to build a directory of webmaster goodies on my website.Could you recommend me sites with examples, presentations, tutorialsof CSS styled forms.I hope it will be usefull for other members, too.
Thanx in advance,Goran MiticGuruGorg.Network - We build better websitesweb: www.gurugorg.netrss: www.gurugorg.net/feed
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Re: [WSG] snug a border around diff sized pix

[adam reitsma]

Have you tried using CSS to put a border directly around the image itself?for example, if your html is like this:
then your css could be as follows:.photo img { border: 2px solid pink; }Good luck!On 11/16/05, csslist <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:I have a div that shows phots dynamically that are different sizes and would like to throw a 1px border aound them, I can't seem to get them to hug the photo, anyone got any good tricks for this?
tia

Re: [WSG] Font resizing

[adam reitsma]

My sentiments exactly.But then what is the most accessible, most practical solution for allowing the user to change the font size of your site?Options include:- writing accessible, standards friendly code that can easily be either magnified or increased in size by the browser
- providing a button on your pages to increase text size- having a preferences page available on your pages where they can select several different presentation options. (such as stopdesign, 
http://stopdesign.com/about/prefs/)- providing a (possibly unwieldy) large pair of buttons on every page, saying "MAKE THIS TEXT BIGGER" and "make this text smaller".I suppose, like many 'how far do we take this' accessibility concepts, it is a case by case, audience by audience basis.
For most of my sites, i would probably settle for the first option i listed.If i was writing a site where i knew my audience would have a large number of vision impaired readers, and i have no assumed knowledge on their part, i would probably go for a little slider option:
[little]A[/little]-|[big]A[/big]...so that the further you move to the bigger 'A', the bigger the site's text is. Of course this wouldn't cater to other possible customisations like high contrast, single column, or anything else.
--a--On 11/10/05, Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:From my experience there are a lot of people who have got a visionimpairment, yet do not use Magnifiers or don't know how to manually change
the browser font size. If you think about it - a "vision impairment" couldbe just caused by old age or even tiredness. Just because somebody has gotslight difficulties reading small font doesn't mean they go off and buy
themselves a Screen Magnifier. And in particular older people might not knowhow modify their browsers to increase the font size.Having said that - the stylesheet swapping links on websites (such as on the
Sydney Morning Herald) are very often so user-unfriendly, they end up beingcompletely useless. I mean: how many people will guess that a small "A" willdecrease the font size on your browser, a larger "A" will increase it? In
particular for people who do have a vision impairment, that's not theeasiest functionality to detect and use. If you introduce such features,make them obvious. And if possible, write them in BIG FONT. :)
That's my two cents.Cheers,Andreas.-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
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I was just wondering what everyone's opinion of font resizing usingstylesheet swapping?I'm wondering if it's still useful given that it's useless to people usingscreen readers, people with vision impairment will probably be more likely
to us a screen magnifier, and others can use their browser's own font sizing-- command-+ and so on.I notice that the Sydney Morning Herald's new design font resizing, butoffers just two font sizes: normal and bigger and only for some pages.
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Re: [WSG] Validate a PNG?

[adam reitsma]

Could it perhaps be joomla related?:o)(absalom media is responsible for several contributions to the joomla community; especially a tutorial from which myself and numerous others have greatly benefited)
just workflow your design how you want to, then screencap it, and send it in (as a jpg or png, naturally).they can't disqualify you by guessing how you may have come to your design.
On 11/10/05, Christian Montoya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It only gets weirder the more I look at it. ;)>Could we have a link to the contest or something?C Montoyardpdesign.com ... 
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Re: [WSG] Scalable background-image?

[adam reitsma]

As far as i know, there is no way to change the scaling of the background image - but, by changing the viewable area of the background, you can effectively change the size.the general way this is done is by intentionally making the background larger than it has to be, so that if the font size is increased, there is still background image provided for the now larger area.
This can also use techniques such as sliding doors:http://www.stopdesign.com/present/2004/sydney/limits/?no=82

On 11/9/05, Jared Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
Is there any way using CSS to get a background-image to scale?I've created an accessible interface that uses em for layout and fontsizing control. Everything scales beautifully as the font size changesexcept for background images, which remain at the size of the original
image. I can't seem to find a way to get them to scale as the font size(em) changes - something akin to CSS3's background-size. And % is not anoption as it scales based on the viewport size, not the font size.
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Re: [WSG] Complex form - markup help?!

[adam reitsma]

Wow.I'm glad i re-checked my email before sending.I would like to echo the sentiments already mentioned - the layout needs work.Whether your form is in a table, or just maintains this tabular
appearance, it is clear that context is a very important part of this
form - you have 16 pairs of identical fields whose only meaning comes
from their context in the form.

At the moment, the 2x2 layout of each section seems to confuse things a
little - it took me a little while to glean that this part of the
layout had no real importance.As the others have mentioned,  I would suggest going for a 1x4, or 4x1 layout.Now, i've done a basic 'fieldset' layout, and that gives you pretty close to the general layout you want:
SAEL    discipline
%
    discipline
    discipline    discipline
and so on. But this is no good for accessibly and semantics - you will have 4 fields, all labeled "1", and the only difference between them is the fieldset that they lie in. A more appropriate label would be "SAEL discipline 1", but that wouldn't look very good, would it?
Worse yet, you would have 16 text fields, all labeled "%".So, the idea of context is quite important here, which is where, i believe, a table would come in handy.It provides a better conceptual layout of your form - If i see i am in the row with a heading "SAEL", and the column with the heading "split", the purpose of the field in that particular cell is a lot clearer to me.
This would also fit nicely with peter's suggestion too, and make the layout a lot clearer. one final layout concern - what value does the "(%)" add after the school name? There is already more than enough information that were dealing with percentage splits. I don't think it's necessary.
am i off topic yet? :o)--adam--On 10/21/05, Peter Ottery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi Rachel,before you dive into the markup (& i'm not sure if this is much help
to you)  but if you can simplify the proposed visual design you may beable to save yourself some pain in the css layout (cause agreed, itwould be fairly complex)it took me a while to understand the form and what columns related to
what. i think it has some usability problems. are you able to lay itout a bit simpler? something like this maybe?http://skunkworks.farcrycms.com/pot/temp/complexform2.gif
going with something like that would require much fewer "hooks" to geteverything aligning right.i realise this is off the topic of standards but it all fits intogether at some point
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Re: [WSG] Web page check

[adam reitsma]

try putting a "float:left" into your div.classdescriptions.

worked for me in FF.On 10/13/05, GALLAGHER Kevin S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:














First off the site was designed before Firefox and was my
first site. Now I have been seeing things were Firefox is displaying something's
differently then IE which is fine except one thing.

 

 

On 
http://www.jimjacobe.com/ClassDescriptions.html
 I have listed classes for an instructor, items 2, 4 and 5 (some others
farther down have the same issue) have text positioned incorrectly in Firefox
but look correct in IE, specifically the content starting "An" in
the first two problem areas.

 

If
someone can look at this and tell me what needs to be done to fix this. Not necessarily
looking for the fix code wise but more of is this a syntax issue or something I
simple did wrong and IE is doing it's thing to fix things.

 

Thanks
for taking the time to look at this page and if possible provide some feed back

 

Kevin


 

 



 

Re: [WSG] Placement of company logo

[adam reitsma]

oh dear
is it just me, or does this TIP method seem like the modern-day version of the spacer gif?

On 10/10/05, Thierry Koblentz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Richard Czeiger wrote:> Doing it this way IS good branding.> It's also about controlling HOW you want your logo to appear in> certain context. Anyone that's written a Corporate Style Guide will> know what I'm talking about...
Good point.This Image Replacement method [1] allows this type of control (image sourceand size) and makes the logo clickable./>Company Name[1] http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/tip.aspThierry | 
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Re: [WSG] Placement of company logo

[adam reitsma]

My thoughts entirely.

I would definitely want the company logo as an IMG element.

If your company's site was to be viewed without the use of CSS, would you still want the logo the appear? I would.

--adam--On 10/10/05, Peter Ottery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> What do others think?1 vote here for always making the logo a regular  and part of thehtml markup. reasoning for me is a pretty simple one. its content! :)cheers,pete~~~
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Re: [WSG] Mixed navigation and search form

[adam reitsma]

The undesirable outcomes are:

1) When the user enlarges the font, the 1 pixel separator in the nav does
not extend to fill the vertical height of the nav bar.
2) The text input field and submit button (an image) are not vertically
aligned as per the graphic I provided.

Perhaps this (very draft, only tested to work in FFox) version might be closer to what you're after:
- it specifies side borders on the UL, and negative margins on LI so that the borders collapse
- all nav links are a fixed width, so that if they wrap to the next
line, they look more uniform (is this what you mean by extending the
separator vertically?)
- the right form is now positioned absolutely, so that it can remain in the center
- the nav has a 17em margin on the right, so that the form and the nav don't overlap.

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body{margin:0;padding:0}

#navcontainer { background-color:#CD4130; color:White;
float:left;position:relative;width:100%; font-family:arial, helvetica,
sans-serif;}

#navcontainer ul { float:left;margin:0 17em 0 0;border-left:2px solid white;border-right:2px solid white;padding:0}

#navcontainer ul li { display:inline; }

#navcontainer ul li a { padding:0.2em 0;color:White;float:left;border:1px solid #fff; margin:-1px;width:6em;text-align:center}

#navcontainer ul li a:hover {background-color:#D65945;}

#navcontainer input {margin:0.2em;border:1px solid black}

#navcontainer form {display:inline;margin:-0.75em 0 0 0; top:50%;right:0;position:absolute}






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Adam wrote:> If you could provide some pages of your previous attempts, that would makelife easier for some of us, so we can see what you've tried so far, and whatis not a desired outcome.Thanks for your help, Adam.
I've made a number of attempts. What I'm looking for really is examples of asimilar design which might have solved the issues I described.> here's a basic one i did in invalid htmlThat's similar to one attempt I made.
The undesirable outcomes are:1) When the user enlarges the font, the 1 pixel separator in the nav doesnot extend to fill the vertical height of the nav bar.2) The text input field and submit button (an image) are not vertically
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Re: [WSG] Mixed navigation and search form

[adam reitsma]

Hi Ian,
>Any thoughts on how I can achieve this?
If you could provide some pages of your previous attempts, that
would make life easier for some of us, so we can see what you've tried
so far, and what is not a desired outcome.

here's a basic one i did in invalid html, built over Listamatic's
rollover horizontal nav bar
(http://css.maxdesign.com.au/listamatic/horizontal03.htm)
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#navcontainer { background-color:#CD4130; color:White; float:left; width:100%; font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;}

#navcontainer ul { float:left;}

#navcontainer form, #navcontainer ul {margin:0;padding:0}

#navcontainer ul li { display:inline; }

#navcontainer ul li a { padding:0.2em 1em;color:White;float:left;border:1px solid #fff; margin:-1px 0;}

#navcontainer ul li a:hover {background-color:#D65945;}

#navcontainer form { display:inline;float:right;}

#navcontainer input {margin:0.2em;border:1px solid black}






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How close is this to what you want to achieve? Which behaviours aren't suitable? 

--adam--
On 10/7/05, Ian Fenn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi,OK. I've been scratching my head all day. I need help.I'm trying to implement a new site design.The navigation - which I've uploaded a grab of at
http://www.chopstixmedia.com/new-nav.jpg - consists of html links separatedby a 1 pixel right-hand border... followed on the far right by a text inputbox followed by a submit button.I've been scratching my head because I've been trying to organise the source
so:1) The navigation links are scalable if the font is increased.2) The text input box and submit button are centred vertically at all times.So far the main issues have been:1) Text wraps if the font size is increased beyond the navigation's
horizontal width. That's not a problem in itself apart from the fact thatthe 1 pixel border doesn't extend to the full height of the bar.2) The text input box and submit button won't centre vertically.
Any thoughts on how I can achieve this?Thanks in advance for any help.All the best,--Ian FennChopstix Mediahttp://www.chopstixmedia.com/
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Re: [WSG] Stop the Presses! Announcing the supercool search plugi n!

[adam reitsma]

Don't take it personally, Ted,

I think Brian is putting forward a valid point - "buyer / freeloader beware".

Google toolbars can actually do a lot of damage, so even when
installing one from a valid source, it pays to be aware of the risks.

That said, i think that there's a vast difference between installing a
feature from a known source (yourself), and installing one you got a
link to from some spam or popup window.

--adam--On 10/7/05, Drake, Ted C. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



















?

 

I'm not sure what this is about.  If
anyone knows that Rollyo is bad, speak up, but I'm certainly not pushing
any fake googlebar scam. I'm talking about the dropdown list that sits at
the top right of your firefox browser.

 

Dan Cederholm of Simplebits refers to the
site as the brainchild of Dave Pell, http://davenetics.com/
and Simplebits did the design, so it should be a reputable company.

 

Ted

 

 









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On 10/6/05, Buddy
Quaid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

Weird, i cant get to the site...i think it's blocking my ISP or
something. I tried ping and nothing, i could trace and ping from an outside
website but not from my machine.





Buddy

Drake, Ted C. wrote: 



Hi buddy

The link got mangled, try 
www.tdrake.net it's the first post.

Ted

 

 









From: 
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On Behalf Of Buddy Quaid
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005
1:52 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Stop the Presses!
Announcing the supercool search plugi n!



 

Your website will not pull up for me.

Buddy

Drake, Ted C. wrote: 

I didn't have room for all of them but I've added most of the
sites below.

Ted

 

 









From:
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On Behalf Of bit
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005
1:15 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Stop the
Presses! Announcing the supercool search plugin!



 

hi all,

maybe some suggestions for the ff-toolbar ... 

http://www.sitepoint.com/
http://digital-web.com/
http://cssplay.co.uk/
http://tanfa.co.uk/
http://www.stylegala.com/
http://kottke.org/
http://www.wpdfd.com/

nice greetings from vienna
:)





2005/10/6, Drake, Ted C. <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

Hi All

As many of you may have seen, I created a search plugin for Alistapart.com
that allows you to search their posts for information.

That was just the tip of the iceberg. I really wanted to create something 
that would allow me to search all of my favorite coding resources without
having to wade through outdated posts, spam, etc in a typical search.

Chris Pederick comes to the rescue today with a post about Rollyo, a 
personalized search engine portal.  Well, today, I created a
standards-based
web portal and then made a cool plugin.

Go to my web site:
http://www.tdrake.net/standards-based-web-development-resources-made-even-ea

sier/ to download the standardista plugin.

You can now search all of these sites from the comfort of your firefox
toolbar:
*   alistapart.com
* w3.org
* simplebits.com
* meyerweb.com
* stuffandnonsense.co.uk
* shauninman.c...
* splintered.co.uk
* stopdesign.com
* andybudd.com

* jasonsantamaria.com
* accessify.com
* clagnut.com
* 456bereastreet.com
* quirksmode.org
* tantek.com
* positioniseverything.net
* tdrake.net
* zeldman.com
* webstandards group

P.S.  I also let the cat out of the bag in this post that I begin
working
with Yahoo in a week. If you have my email address in your computer, you may 
want to update it to [EMAIL PROTECTED].

P.S.S. I can add 6 more web sites to the search query. Send me your
suggestions.



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[WSG] new site designed - code walkthrough please?

[adam reitsma]

Hi peoples,

I've just created two draft pages for a site i'm working on. Whilst
I've spent years in HTML, and am relatively comfortable with the whole
Web Standards ideology, this is my first opportunity to build a site
from scratch.

Yes, it's valid xhtml, and yes,
it renders well in the browsers i've tested it in, but I was wondering
if someone could kindly afford me the time to give the code a
walk-through.
Which bits could have better semantic meaning? What do you think could
be done better? How should the code be structured to make it more
accessible?

A real stumbling block for me is font sizes.
I dread the time i want to re-use a particular style, only to realise
that the way i've nested the tags makes my text 2px high...

http://www.bcct.org.au/v2

Thanks in advance for your time; and your efforts in making the web a nicer place, one website (and web developer) at a time!

Regards,

Adam Reitsma.

[WSG] image alignment?

[adam reitsma]

Hello,

This might be a familiar story to you - i'm after a simple image
layout. I can code this layout in tables with my eyes shut, but can't
get it to work for me using css for layout.

http://adam.mvknowles.com/imagealign/test.html

are you able to make the top example look like the bottom one? one
image left aligned, one right aligned, both vertically centred?

Any help is appreciated.

Regards,

adam reitsma.
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Re: [WSG] Help with this layout

[adam reitsma]

the simple answer to this,  Olajide , is to use the overflow property.

in the divs, set overflow: visible perhaps.

google search "css overflow" for more information.

the less simple answer is - why is there a height set in the first
place? I have a sneaking suspicion that you may be taking a less than
ideal approach to your construction of this site.
Perhaps it would do you good to scour the web for some nice examples
of standards-compliant sites that are doing what you want your site to
do, and then study their code.


On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 03:35:10 +1000, Olajide Olaolorun
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi guys can you please check out this layout and tell me what you
> all think...
> 
> The link is http://www.jccihouseofglory.org/2.jpg
> 
> I want the content area to extend in height when the content is
> long... I'm using css divs and uses the x and the y variables... how
> do I make it extend when there is a long content... do I just remove
> the y valirable in the css
> 
> Check the layout... it is self explanatory...
> 
> Thanks
> Olajide Olaolorun
> 
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Re: [WSG] accessibility question: same link phrase more than once

[adam reitsma]

One that i've seen is "Continue reading 'this topic' ".

http://www.metamorphosism.com sometimes does this - for instance, his
11 09 04 "Kiss" entry.

I find that it's quite natural, and communicative. Hope this helps!

--adam--


On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 13:09:37 +1000, Cameron Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I was just wondering the list's opinion about blogs and CMSs that at the
> end of each new item, have a link that says 'read more' or 'read
> comments' or just 'more' .
> 
> Sitepoint, for example, uses the same link phrase more than once when
> pointing to different URLS:
> 
> Do not use the same link phrase more than once when the links point to
> different URLs.
> / (7 instances) /
> *Line 141*:  title="Post a comment">(reply...)
> *Line 164*:  title="Post a comment">(reply...)
> *Line 180*:  title="Post a comment">(reply...)
> *Line 191*:   Posted @ 2:50:08 AM MDT -  href="/blog-post-view.php?id=188984#comments">4 comments -
> *Line 192*:  title="Post a comment">(reply...)
> *Line 222*:  title="Post a comment">(reply...)
> *Line 234*:  title="Post a comment">(reply...)
> 
> Nearly all CMSs and blogs do the same.
> 
> Has anyone come up with any solutions for this?
> 
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Re: [WSG] A Church Website

[adam reitsma]

h.

what can i say? 

is this a joke?

because i compared this site to your personal site... and your site has:

 - doc type
 - clean code
 - 5 validation errors

this site has

 - blink tags
 - an obscure, half-functional menu
 - spacer gifs
 - 80+ validation errors (starting, of course, with validation errors)

and then, of course, there's the design differences, but as far as i
know, this mailing list is not for design critiquing,  so i'll hold
back there.

ok, that's it for now, i eagerly await an explanation!

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Re: [WSG] Footer stuff

[adam reitsma]

Hi Amit,

Ben Bishop's presentation at the sydney WSG meeting outlined that he
used a list for his footer:
http://www.nzsteel.co.nz/nz/

He also used css for the divider, instead of pipes:

#footermenu li a {
height:1em;
padding:0 0.75em;
border-left:1px solid #999;
font-weight:bold;
}
#footermenu li.first a {
border:none;
}

in regards to your situation, i would go for a list, or two, depending
on the information.

stuff | more stuff
stuff too | more stuff again


two lists, in the footer, that both behave in the same way. Seems
semantically sound from my viewpoint.

Best of luck!

Adam
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Re: [WSG] Better Flexible Rounded Corners Option? and Site Check

[adam reitsma]

Hi Roger,

as soon as you mentioned that, this is the first thing i thought of:

http://www.alistapart.com/articles/mountaintop/

I'm not sure how useful it is - it seems that the efforts you have
made so far are already past this - but i thought i might as well send
it.

I've got to go now; might have another look at your code tomorrow to
provide further feedback.

regards,

adam


On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 08:50:00 +0200, Roger Johansson
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> 
> On 8 sep 2004, at 22.57, JW wrote:
> >
> > I am looking for a flexible rounded corners (with borders) that is not
> > restrictive to size. Googled for some but most are filled with lots of
> > complex solutions (lots of html meddling and tones of css codes).
> 
> Hi.
> Take a look at what I came up with a while back:
> 
> http://www.456bereastreet.com/lab/flexible_custom_corners_borders/
> Related post:
> http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200406/
> flexible_box_with_custom_corners_and_borders/
> 
> http://www.456bereastreet.com/lab/teaser/one_image/
> Related post:
> http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200406/css_teaser_box/
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