Re: [WSG] IE MAC just won't play ball!
I've found a 'bodge' using the faux column thing. Repeated a wrapper background image for the body and it covers a multitude of sins!On 9/28/05, Joseph R. B. Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I noticed one other thing worth mentioning on the charismalab site.Your container div with the background gets cut off at the bottom of the first page length (in Firefox using 1024x768 resolution).I haven'tgone through your CSS as I'm supposed to be working right now, but I'mguessing that you have at least one height in the chain from html to the content set to 100%. (screen shot enclosed)You may want to try going backwards in your document and set anythingthat div is nested in to be 100% as well including adding a declarationfor html itself set to 100%.That should fix that. HELP! I've just done a site for http://www.charismalab.com http://www.charismalab.com/. Everything is great for Windows PC, Firefox,**The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] IE MAC just won't play ball!
I noticed one other thing worth mentioning on the charismalab site. Your container div with the background gets cut off at the bottom of the first page length (in Firefox using 1024x768 resolution). I haven't gone through your CSS as I'm supposed to be working right now, but I'm guessing that you have at least one height in the chain from html to the content set to 100%. (screen shot enclosed) You may want to try going backwards in your document and set anything that div is nested in to be 100% as well including adding a declaration for html itself set to 100%. That should fix that. HELP! I've just done a site for http://www.charismalab.com http://www.charismalab.com/. Everything is great for Windows PC, Firefox, ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] IE MAC just won't play ball!
Yes, I noticed that too and was trying to sort it out earlier today without any success whatsoever. Thanks for the advice! On 9/28/05, Joseph R. B. Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I noticed one other thing worth mentioning on the charismalab site.Your container div with the background gets cut off at the bottom of thefirst page length (in Firefox using 1024x768 resolution).I haven'tgone through your CSS as I'm supposed to be working right now, but I'm guessing that you have at least one height in the chain from html to thecontent set to 100%. (screen shot enclosed)You may want to try going backwards in your document and set anythingthat div is nested in to be 100% as well including adding a declaration for html itself set to 100%.That should fix that. HELP! I've just done a site for http://www.charismalab.com http://www.charismalab.com/. Everything is great for Windows PC, Firefox,**The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **-- ADAM x
Re: [WSG] IE MAC just won't play ball!
Validated the pages. Most were fine, actually, but there was a shocker where I'd not closed a whole load of links and that was the page that was really mis-behaving!! Thanks, again AdamOn 9/26/05, Adam Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, Christain. I didn't think of doing that. Adam On 9/24/05, Christian Montoya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the problem here might have to do with the fact that your XHTML is invalid. Please run every page through the validator and fix all the errors. There are definitely elements on every page that have not been closed, and I think they are causing all the problems. On 9/24/05, Adam Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HELP! I've just done a site for http://www.charismalab.com. Everything is great for Windows PC, Firefox, Safari BUT the client is looking at the site on her Mac OS 9 IE 5 and it's not right. I've use the import to use a separate style sheet which helped massively but there are some things that I just can't seem to make work! I've downloaded the classic mac IE and can't see what she sees .eg. apparently, the nav line on the bottom of each page breaks off and starts a new line (!) and I've given up on trying to make the wrapper stretch 100% so I'm going to simply give each page a separate wrapper and give it a fixed length, but things still aren't right... can ANYone see where I'm going wrong??? the mac ie css is http://www.charismalab.com/ie51.cssThanks... Adam -- ADAM x -- ADAM x
RE: [WSG] IE MAC just won't play ball!
Hi Adam On a side note, I like the blue colors but I get confused as a user with your use of orange on charisma throughout the page. I keep thinking it is a link. Your actual links are white, the same color as the text. I find the site difficult to read and explore. I would at least recommend re-evaluating your link styles and possibly defining the footer (navigation) better. Good luck Ted On 9/24/05, Christian Montoya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the problem here might have to do with the fact that your XHTML is invalid. Please run every page through the validator and fix all the errors. There are definitely elements on every page that have not been closed, and I think they are causing all the problems. On 9/24/05, Adam Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HELP! I've just done a site for http://www.charismalab.com. Everything is great for Windows PC, Firefox, Safari BUT the client is looking at the site on her Mac OS 9 IE 5 and it's not right. I've use the import to use a separate style sheet which helped massively but there are some things that I just can't seem to make work! I've downloaded the classic mac IE and can't see what she sees .eg. apparently, the nav line on the bottom of each page breaks off and starts a new line (!) and I've given up on trying to make the wrapper stretch 100% so I'm going to simply give each page a separate wrapper and give it a fixed length, but things still aren't right... can ANYone see where I'm going wrong??? the mac ie css is http://www.charismalab.com/ie51.css Thanks... Adam -- ADAM x -- ADAM x
RE: [WSG] IE MAC just won't play ball!
Hi Adam
I just sent a message about your linking
colors and then looked at your source code. Here's another suggestion I
would make for you.
li class=liststrongThe Energetics of Charisma/strongbr Delegates are introduced to span class=orangeCharisma/spanspan class=boldlab/span's system of transformation through unique principles, methods and techniques for the management of personal energy (Charisma)./li
Becomes
dl
dt The Energetics of
Charisma /dt
dd Delegates are
introduced to spanCharisma/spanstronglab/strong's system of transformation through unique
principles, methods and techniques for the management of personal energy
(Charisma)./dd
/dl
CSS
Dt {background: (your orange square)
no-repeat 0 0; padding-left:10px; font-weight:bold;}
Dd{padding-left:10px; margin:5px 0;}
Dl span {color:orange;}
It could be further argued that your using
strong may be wrong for the icon since you don't really want to scream
lab at people. Since it is purely decorative, you could wrap it in a
b/b set.
Part of the journey through
standards-based development is realizing where things could be written cleaner
and more semantic markup used.
I still think the orange charisma looks
too much like a link.
Good luck
Ted
On 9/24/05, Adam
Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
HELP! I've just done a
site for http://www.charismalab.com.
Everything is great for Windows PC, Firefox, Safari BUT the client is looking
at the site on her Mac OS 9 IE 5 and it's not right. I've use the import to use
a separate style sheet which helped massively but there are some things that I
just can't seem to make work! I've downloaded the classic mac IE and can't see
what she sees .eg. apparently, the nav line on the bottom of each page breaks
off and starts a new line (!) and I've given up on trying to make the wrapper
stretch 100% so I'm going to simply give each page a separate wrapper and give
it a fixed length, but things still aren't right... can ANYone see where I'm
going wrong???
the mac ie css is http://www.charismalab.com/ie51.css
Thanks...
Adam
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Re: [WSG] IE MAC just won't play ball!
I don't think b/b is valid. Just do another span, with { font-weight:bold; }And yes, the DL is much better.
On 9/27/05, Drake, Ted C. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Adam
I just sent a message about your linking
colors and then looked at your source code. Here's another suggestion I
would make for you.
li class=liststrongThe Energetics of Charisma/strong
br Delegates are introduced to
span class=orangeCharisma/spanspan class=boldlab/span's system of transformation through unique principles, methods and techniques for the management of personal energy (Charisma)./
li
Becomes
dl
dt The Energetics of
Charisma /dt
dd Delegates are
introduced to spanCharisma/spanstronglab/strong's system of transformation through unique
principles, methods and techniques for the management of personal energy
(Charisma)./dd
/dl
CSS
Dt {background: (your orange square)
no-repeat 0 0; padding-left:10px; font-weight:bold;}
Dd{padding-left:10px; margin:5px 0;}
Dl span {color:orange;}
It could be further argued that your using
strong may be wrong for the icon since you don't really want to scream
lab at people. Since it is purely decorative, you could wrap it in a
b/b set.
Part of the journey through
standards-based development is realizing where things could be written cleaner
and more semantic markup used.
I still think the orange charisma looks
too much like a link.
Good luck
Ted
On 9/24/05, Adam
Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
HELP! I've just done a
site for http://www.charismalab.com.
Everything is great for Windows PC, Firefox, Safari BUT the client is looking
at the site on her Mac OS 9 IE 5 and it's not right. I've use the import to use
a separate style sheet which helped massively but there are some things that I
just can't seem to make work! I've downloaded the classic mac IE and can't see
what she sees .eg. apparently, the nav line on the bottom of each page breaks
off and starts a new line (!) and I've given up on trying to make the wrapper
stretch 100% so I'm going to simply give each page a separate wrapper and give
it a fixed length, but things still aren't right... can ANYone see where I'm
going wrong???
the mac ie css is http://www.charismalab.com/ie51.css
Thanks...
Adam
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ADAM x
Re: [WSG] IE MAC just won't play ball!
Christian Montoya wrote:
I don't think b/b is valid. Just do another span, with {
font-weight:bold; }
b tags are still valid in xhtml1.0 strict, but they don't posess any
semantic value, which is why moving to strong is the preferred mark-up.
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Re: [WSG] IE MAC just won't play ball!
But doesn't that depend on what you're using the bold tag for? There are
times, for instance - when you might want something to appear bold
visually, but it wouldn't need to be spoken louder/emphasized for a
screen reader, which - if I'm not mistaken, reads strong differently
than it would normal text.
Again, I'm a girl, and as such, I like to make things look somewhat
pretty... Like, If I'm typing up something about me, I would put
bName:/b Erica Jean... instead of strongName:/strong Erica Jean
because there's no reason for the Name to be emphasised in any way.
The bold tag is there only to make it LOOK a bit different. And if I'm
writing up a profile, or filling out a silly LJ questionarre thing I'm
not going to write out span class=boldName:/span for every line.
lol. That's just a waste of time and character space. ^^
Same thing for i/i and em/em If you're just making it itallic
for no other reason than visual, and you don't want it to be emphasized
in a screen reader - there's no reason to use em.
Just my point of view on the whole matter :)
Brian Cummiskey wrote:
Christian Montoya wrote:
I don't think b/b is valid. Just do another span, with {
font-weight:bold; }
b tags are still valid in xhtml1.0 strict, but they don't posess any
semantic value, which is why moving to strong is the preferred mark-up.
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Re: [WSG] IE MAC just won't play ball!
Oh, it *is* valid. I was mistaken... I'll have to remember that. How do screen readers handle b and i ? Do they really ignore those tags? Just wondering because I know screen readers tend not to follow the rules.
Re: [WSG] IE MAC just won't play ball!
I've read in several places that yes, screen readers ignore b and i . However, as I don't have a screen reader, nor do I know any facilities with one that I could use for testing purposes - I really have absolutely no idea. lol. Christian Montoya wrote: Oh, it *is* valid. I was mistaken... I'll have to remember that. How do screen readers handle b and i ? Do they really ignore those tags? Just wondering because I know screen readers tend not to follow the rules. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] IE MAC just won't play ball!
On 9/28/05, Reeka Jean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But doesn't that depend on what you're using the bold tag for? There are times, for instance - when you might want something to appear bold visually, but it wouldn't need to be spoken louder/emphasized for a screen reader, which - if I'm not mistaken, reads strong differently than it would normal text. snip / Same thing for i/i and em/em If you're just making it itallic for no other reason than visual, and you don't want it to be emphasized in a screen reader - there's no reason to use em. The problem lies in the fact that HTML should not deal with how it looks. HTML can only convey meaning and structure (and content, obviously), not looks or visuals. Anyway. Depends on the situation how much you can play around with it. It _always_ depends ;) -Rob. N���.�Ȩ�X���+��i�� n�Z�֫v�+��h��y�m�쵩�j�l��.f���.�ץ�w�q(��b��(��,�)උazX����)��
Re: [WSG] IE MAC just won't play ball!
Thanks, Christain. I didn't think of doing that. Adam On 9/24/05, Christian Montoya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the problem here might have to do with the fact that your XHTML is invalid. Please run every page through the validator and fix all the errors. There are definitely elements on every page that have not been closed, and I think they are causing all the problems. On 9/24/05, Adam Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HELP! I've just done a site for http://www.charismalab.com. Everything is great for Windows PC, Firefox, Safari BUT the client is looking at the site on her Mac OS 9 IE 5 and it's not right. I've use the import to use a separate style sheet which helped massively but there are some things that I just can't seem to make work! I've downloaded the classic mac IE and can't see what she sees .eg. apparently, the nav line on the bottom of each page breaks off and starts a new line (!) and I've given up on trying to make the wrapper stretch 100% so I'm going to simply give each page a separate wrapper and give it a fixed length, but things still aren't right... can ANYone see where I'm going wrong??? the mac ie css is http://www.charismalab.com/ie51.cssThanks... Adam -- ADAM x
[WSG] IE MAC just won't play ball!
HELP! I've just done a site for http://www.charismalab.com. Everything is great for Windows PC, Firefox, Safari BUT the client is looking at the site on her Mac OS 9 IE 5 and it's not right. I've use the import to use a separate style sheet which helped massively but there are some things that I just can't seem to make work! I've downloaded the classic mac IE and can't see what she sees .eg. apparently, the nav line on the bottom of each page breaks off and starts a new line (!) and I've given up on trying to make the wrapper stretch 100% so I'm going to simply give each page a separate wrapper and give it a fixed length, but things still aren't right... can ANYone see where I'm going wrong??? the mac ie css is http://www.charismalab.com/ie51.css Thanks... Adam
Re: [WSG] IE MAC just won't play ball!
I think the problem here might have to do with the fact that your XHTML is invalid. Please run every page through the validator and fix all the errors. There are definitely elements on every page that have not been closed, and I think they are causing all the problems. On 9/24/05, Adam Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HELP! I've just done a site for http://www.charismalab.com. Everything is great for Windows PC, Firefox, Safari BUT the client is looking at the site on her Mac OS 9 IE 5 and it's not right. I've use the import to use a separate style sheet which helped massively but there are some things that I just can't seem to make work! I've downloaded the classic mac IE and can't see what she sees .eg. apparently, the nav line on the bottom of each page breaks off and starts a new line (!) and I've given up on trying to make the wrapper stretch 100% so I'm going to simply give each page a separate wrapper and give it a fixed length, but things still aren't right... can ANYone see where I'm going wrong??? the mac ie css is http://www.charismalab.com/ie51.css Thanks... Adam
