InfoForce Services (Angus MacKinnon) wrote:
This brings up a question. How effective are Skip navigation links? I
have heard that half the people do not understand what skip
navigation links are. I design web sites to get to the main content
or with very few links until the main content.
I'm in
Oh Damn, I guess I will have to make it visible again. I have only tested
it on FF, IE6 and IE5.
FYI, on the first tab Opera 8 beta 3 jumps to the name input at the bottom.
h
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Subject: Re: [WSG] Skip
Mike
Did he make any suggestions asto the features a well designed site map
should have?
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Mike
Did he make any suggestions asto the features a well designed site map
should have?
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For a compromise http://www.lionsq3.asn.au the tab key reveals the skip
links.
Dave Shea has it on Mezzoblue too, great feature...)
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For a compromise http://www.lionsq3.asn.au the tab key
reveals the skip
links.
Dave Shea has it on Mezzoblue too, great feature...)
But I have to say, on that Lions site, it's disingenious to
have the skip appear on the far right. Users with low vision may
only see a small
Sarah Peeke (XERT) wrote:
Hi Rob
For a compromise http://www.lionsq3.asn.au the tab key reveals the skip
links.
Very nice. I also like what Molly has done http://www.molly.com/
Use the tab key - 2nd tab
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OK, I have now enabled full keyboard access (system preferences), but when I
use the tab key in both
sites listed below nothing happens. It is only when I hover over the area where
the navigation
should appear that each link appears.
For a compromise http://www.lionsq3.asn.au the tab key
Lea de Groot wrote, On 14.04.2005 04:50:
I've seen a couple of sites with a very nice tab interface whereby the
'skip' link became visible on the first tab, but was hidden if that
didnt happen.
I like the idea and used it myself in a recent procject, but I've never
been able to get Opera
On 14 Apr 2005, at 7:22 pm, Susanne Jaeger wrote:
I like the idea and used it myself in a recent procject, but I've never
been able to get Opera cooperating.
a:focus works in other browser but Opera seems not to use these styles
when keyboard activated via a or q. Does anyone know more about
this
On Wednesday, April 13, 2005 9:50pm, Lea de Groot wrote:
I've seen a couple of sites with a very nice tab interface
whereby the 'skip' link became visible on the first tab,
but was hidden if that didnt happen. I think Mike Pepper
does it at http://www.seowebsitepromotion.com/
That's the method I
Sarah Peeke (XERT) wrote:
OK, I have now enabled full keyboard access (system preferences), but when I
use the tab key in both
sites listed below nothing happens. It is only when I hover over the area where
the navigation
should appear that each link appears.
I'm guessing it may be this:
You
One small thing that bothers me with the tab to make skip nav visible
approach.
What if a physically disabled site visitor loads the page, doesn't see the
[skip nav], thinks bugger this and leaves before tabbing? Especially if
the site's home page does not contain an accessibility statement.
I'd
Ben Wrighton wrote:
What if a physically disabled site visitor loads the page, doesn't see the
[skip nav], thinks bugger this and leaves before tabbing? Especially if
the site's home page does not contain an accessibility statement.
That would probably depend on why they came to the site in the
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Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 9:03 AM
Subject: RE: [WSG] Skip Navigation Visibility
One small thing that bothers me with the tab to make skip nav visible
approach.
What if a physically disabled site visitor loads the page, doesn't
Richard, these are all good questions. The best thing to do as actually
observe real people (with disabilities) interacting with sites.
I have watched blind users and users with severe vision impairment who
become frustrated and leave sites very quickly. They are more likely to
struggle on if the
russ - maxdesign wrote:
I have watched blind users and users with severe vision impairment who
become frustrated and leave sites very quickly.
Even before one or two tabs though?
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] Skip Navigation Visibility
Richard, these are all good questions. The best thing to do as actually
observe real people (with disabilities) interacting with sites.
I have watched blind users and users with severe vision impairment who
become frustrated and leave sites very quickly. They are more
On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 11:03:50 +1200, Ben Wrighton wrote:
What if a physically disabled site visitor loads the page, doesn't see the
[skip nav], thinks bugger this and leaves before tabbing? Especially if
the site's home page does not contain an accessibility statement.
And the obvious solution
This brings up a question. How effective are Skip navigation links? I have
heard that half the people do not understand what skip navigation links are.
I design web sites to get to the main content or with very few links until
the main content.
Angus MacKinnon
MacKinnon Crest Saying
Latin -
It's also useful for users of other assistive technology devices, such as
head wands or those with limited mobility, as it reduces the number of
'tabs' a user is required to make to move further down the page.
lisa
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From: Sarah Peeke (XERT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
What about users who rely on keyboards but have sight (users with some form
of motor skill or mobility deficiency)?
Visible skip menus can be very important for these users.
A visible skip link allows them to jump over content or navigation
(depending on how the site is set up) and possibly
Sarah Peeke (XERT) wrote:
Many sites I have seen *retain this link's visibility* despite it
being intended (AFAIK) primarily
for screen readers.
It also helps people who use tabbing navigation.
Thierry | http://www.TJKDesign.com |
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On Thu, 14 Apr 2005, russ - maxdesign wrote:
What about users who rely on keyboards but have sight (users with some form
of motor skill or mobility deficiency)?
Visible skip menus can be very important for these users.
A visible skip link allows them to jump over content or navigation
(depending
On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 12:31:00 +1000, russ - maxdesign wrote:
A visible skip link allows them to jump over content or navigation
(depending on how the site is set up) and possibly avoid having to tab
numerous times to get to the content they need. A skip link is the first tab
they will hit when
Thank you Thierry, Lisa and Russ.
Great points - I am new to accessibility, but your replies make great sense.
Cheers
Sarah :)
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Hi Rob
For a compromise http://www.lionsq3.asn.au the tab key reveals the skip
links.
I have tried pressing the tab key, but the skip menu does not appear. Am I
doing something wrong
here? Am using a mac, if that makes any difference.
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On Thu, 14 Apr 2005, Sarah Peeke (XERT) wrote:
Hi Rob
For a compromise http://www.lionsq3.asn.au the tab key reveals the skip
links.
I have tried pressing the tab key, but the skip menu does not appear. Am I
doing something wrong
here? Am using a mac, if that makes any difference.
Oh Damn, I
On 14 Apr 2005, at 1:03 pm, Rob Unsworth wrote:
For a compromise http://www.lionsq3.asn.au the tab key reveals the
skip
links.
I have tried pressing the tab key, but the skip menu does not appear.
Am I doing something wrong
here? Am using a mac, if that makes any difference.
Oh Damn, I guess I
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