Re: [WSG] Standards friendly 'page tagging' web stats
Patrick, reports based on server log files are considerably limiting. For example, visitors are generally identified by IP and Session ID. This doesn't tell me if the person is a repeat customer, or how often they frequent the website, and also provides more accurate filtering of non-human user agents (as UAs don't tend to render the HTML or executive the JS). yes ... but you also won't see any browsers that don't have javascript (such as most mobile phone browsers) so if you want to see EVERY browser that people might use to look at your site you will still need to get that information from the server logs. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Standards friendly 'page tagging' web stats
Hi Paul, >I'm heading down to Sydney in Sept for some training on it's use >and how to best implement it. Please tell me your not paying for that. About Google Analytics http://www.google.com/support/googleanalytics/bin/topic.py?topic=10977 Installing the tracking code http://www.google.com/support/googleanalytics/bin/topic.py?topic=10976 How do I add tracking code to my website? http://www.google.com/support/googleanalytics/bin/answer.py?answer=55488&topic=11126 > Just wanted to make sure I didn't break the site by implementing this. You can implement the JS on a couple of test pages if you would like to test the result before including it in all your pages. Kind Regards, Kane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 27/08/2007 03:07:35 PM: > > Thanks for the responses and suggestions. > > I haven't checked out Google Analytics yet, although it was on my list. > In fact I'm heading down to Sydney in Sept for some training on it's use > and how to best implement it. > > Patrick, reports based on server log files are considerably limiting. > For example, visitors are generally identified by IP and Session ID. > This doesn't tell me if the person is a repeat customer, or how often > they frequent the website, and also provides more accurate filtering of > non-human user agents (as UAs don't tend to render the HTML or executive > the JS). > > The data collected is particularly useful for measuring the use of > "back" and "forward" button usage, monitoring the effectiveness of > campaigns, conversion rates, abandonment rates/locations, etc. > > Just wanted to make sure I didn't break the site by implementing this. > > > Paul Hempsall > Web Developer > > > Lake Macquarie City Council > Phone: (02) 4921-0713 > Fax: (02) 4921-0566 > Web: http://www.lakemac.com.au > > This information is intended for the addressee only. The use, > copying or distribution of this message or any information it > contains, by anyone other than the addressee is prohibited by the sender. > > Any views expressed in this communication are those of the > individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them > to be the views of Council. > > > *** > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *** > *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Standards friendly 'page tagging' web stats
Thanks for the responses and suggestions. I haven't checked out Google Analytics yet, although it was on my list. In fact I'm heading down to Sydney in Sept for some training on it's use and how to best implement it. Patrick, reports based on server log files are considerably limiting. For example, visitors are generally identified by IP and Session ID. This doesn't tell me if the person is a repeat customer, or how often they frequent the website, and also provides more accurate filtering of non-human user agents (as UAs don't tend to render the HTML or executive the JS). The data collected is particularly useful for measuring the use of "back" and "forward" button usage, monitoring the effectiveness of campaigns, conversion rates, abandonment rates/locations, etc. Just wanted to make sure I didn't break the site by implementing this. Paul Hempsall Web Developer Lake Macquarie City Council Phone: (02) 4921-0713 Fax: (02) 4921-0566 Web: http://www.lakemac.com.au This information is intended for the addressee only. The use, copying or distribution of this message or any information it contains, by anyone other than the addressee is prohibited by the sender. Any views expressed in this communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Council. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Standards friendly 'page tagging' web stats
Paul, We use Google Analytics in-house and it is a good addition to log file analysis. 'Mint' is another tagging-based stats package that should be OK on a standards-based website http://haveamint.com/ You do get a lot more info on browsers and viewport size throygh the tagging stats approach. Also, Google tells you a lot about pathways through the website that most log-analysis stats packages would charge you a lot of money for. Cheers Paul Paul Minty Director mintleaf studio We design & create stylish websites Post: Box 6 108 Flinders Street Melbourne VIC 3000 Level 2 108 Flinders Street Melbourne T. 03 9662 9344 F. 03 9662 9255 M. 0418 307 475 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.mintleafstudio.com.au -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Hempsall Sent: Monday, 27 August 2007 11:16 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Standards friendly 'page tagging' web stats I'm looking for a Javascript "page-tagging" solution, that is unobtrusive (keeping in line with our current progressive enhancement paradigm), standards compliant, reliable/error free (ie. Supported across multiple browsers). Paul Hempsall Web Developer *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Standards friendly 'page tagging' web stats
Paul Hempsall wrote: I'm investigating improving our current method of reporting our web traffic - we currently use server logs only (with an annual community survey for good measure). You haven't really defined your probem...what exactly is it that you're trying to improve? I'm assuming you're already running something like Analog or Awstats in the backend to prep your server logs...so what functionality are you missing that makes you want to move to a javascript solution? P -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Co-lead, Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ Take it to the streets ... join the WaSP Street Team http://streetteam.webstandards.org/ __ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Standards friendly 'page tagging' web stats
Try this: http://www.google.com/analytics/ Hope its good. Regards, Jason www.flexewebs.com On 8/27/07, Paul Hempsall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hey all, > > I'm investigating improving our current method of reporting our web > traffic - we currently use server logs only (with an annual community > survey for good measure). > > I'm looking for a Javascript "page-tagging" solution, that is > unobtrusive (keeping in line with our current progressive enhancement > paradigm), standards compliant, reliable/error free (ie. Supported > across multiple browsers). > > We've spent a considerable amount of time building a standards > compliant, accessible website that degrades nicely on older browsers and > less tech savvy clients, so I'm not keen on implementing a solution > that's going to brain all of our hard work. > > Can anyone make any suggests... off-list if this isn't the right forum > for this thread. > > Best Regards, > > > Paul Hempsall > Web Developer > > > Lake Macquarie City Council > Phone: (02) 4921-0713 > Fax: (02) 4921-0566 > Web: http://www.lakemac.com.au > > This information is intended for the addressee only. The use, copying or > distribution of this message or any information it contains, by anyone other > than the addressee is prohibited by the sender. > > Any views expressed in this communication are those of the individual > sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of > Council. > > > *** > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *** > > *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Standards friendly 'page tagging' web stats
Have you looked at Google Analytics? On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 10:52:44 +1000, Paul Hempsall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hey all, I'm investigating improving our current method of reporting our web traffic - we currently use server logs only (with an annual community survey for good measure). I'm looking for a Javascript "page-tagging" solution, that is unobtrusive (keeping in line with our current progressive enhancement paradigm), standards compliant, reliable/error free (ie. Supported across multiple browsers). We've spent a considerable amount of time building a standards compliant, accessible website that degrades nicely on older browsers and less tech savvy clients, so I'm not keen on implementing a solution that's going to brain all of our hard work. Can anyone make any suggests... off-list if this isn't the right forum for this thread. Best Regards, Paul Hempsall Web Developer Lake Macquarie City Council Phone: (02) 4921-0713 Fax: (02) 4921-0566 Web: http://www.lakemac.com.au This information is intended for the addressee only. The use, copying or distribution of this message or any information it contains, by anyone other than the addressee is prohibited by the sender. Any views expressed in this communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Council. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
