Re: [WSG] css buttons only hot over text in ie

2005-09-02 Thread Thierry Koblentz
kvnmcwebn wrote: hello, that did the trick it would be nice if it worked with the width: auto; but its a lot better now if the whole buttons hot. I guess you meant *without* the width:auto... so I think I have good news for you ;) Try display:inline-block instead of width:auto HTH, Thierry |

Re: [WSG] css buttons only hot over text in ie

2005-09-02 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Thierry Koblentz wrote: I guess you meant *without* the width:auto... so I think I have good news for you ;) Try display:inline-block instead of width:auto Or, better, remove the *extra* float declaration you have for these anchors ;-( That declaration *resets* the first one and you end up

Re: [WSG] css buttons only hot over text in ie

2005-08-31 Thread Thierry Koblentz
kvnmcwebn wrote: Hello, Whats the best way to make the bellow css buttons hot for the entire height in ie? Right now there just hot over the text. I tried adding a fixed pixel height to the a: rule but that didnt work so well. I've seen this solution online somewhere before but im on a

Re: [WSG] css buttons only hot over text in ie

2005-08-31 Thread Terrence Wood
Not sure what you mean. The CSS works as expected (horizontal navbar) with the follwing HTML: ul id=drNav lia href=#item/a/li lia href=#item/a/li lia href=#item/a/li lia href=#item/a/li lia href=#item/a/li /ul kind regards Terrence Wood. Whats the best way to make the bellow css buttons hot

Re: [WSG] css buttons only hot over text in ie

2005-08-31 Thread Sam Brown
--- kvnmcwebn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whats the best way to make the bellow css buttons hot for the entire height in ie? Right now there just hot over the text. I tried adding a fixed pixel height to the a: rule but that didnt work so well. I've seen this solution online somewhere before

RE: [WSG] css buttons only hot over text in ie

2005-08-31 Thread kvnmcwebn
its supposed to look http://www.mcmonagle.biz/nav.htm also-thanks for the response terrance. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Thierry Koblentz Sent: 31 August 2005 20:18 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] css buttons only hot

Re: [WSG] css buttons only hot over text in ie

2005-08-31 Thread Thierry Koblentz
kvnmcwebn wrote: Hello Thierry, Thanks for the solution but maybe theres something in the struture of my html that dosnt work with that method. Check it if you have a minute. Both pages work fine in firefox. http://www.mcmonagle.biz/nav2.htm It blows out the nav bar, fixes the hotspot

RE: [WSG] css buttons only hot over text in ie

2005-08-31 Thread kvnmcwebn
22:25 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] css buttons only hot over text in ie kvnmcwebn wrote: Hello Thierry, Thanks for the solution but maybe theres something in the struture of my html that dosnt work with that method. Check it if you have a minute. Both pages work fine

Re: [WSG] css ads

2005-08-19 Thread Jorge Laranjo
Em 19/ago/2005, às 12:00, Jad Madi escreveu: hi, i'm trying to the logo over the main-nav any suggestions? http://easyhttp.com/css/css-ads.html Hi there Jad. Just make it all a image. or split that banner in two in the vertical Just see what i did here http://estacaoshopping.com.pt/ Just

Re: [WSG] CSS rollover with dynamic drop down menu

2005-08-15 Thread Bert Doorn
G'day I'm trying to combine a CSS image rollover with a drop down menu. Everything is working fine bar the css image rollover. For some reason the a:hover is not being read. I've probably missed something very simple but just can't see it. Your HTML: lia id=Home title=Home

Re: [WSG] CSS List Separator

2005-06-15 Thread Paul Novitski
At 05:05 PM 6/14/2005, Richard Czeiger wrote: Wondering how we can get CSS to specifity the spearator used in ordered lists (ie: the thing between the list item number and the value of the list item). For example... 1. a) 1 - a: I would argue that this is perfectly

Re: [WSG] CSS List Separator

2005-06-15 Thread Bert Doorn
G'day Paul Novitski wrote: I would argue that this is perfectly good markup styling: ol li1 - Aardvark/li li2 - Banshee/li li3 - Cicada/li /ol and then: ol li { list-style-type: none; }

Re: [WSG] CSS List Separator

2005-06-15 Thread Paul Novitski
At 12:54 AM 6/15/2005, Bert Doorn wrote: G'day Paul Novitski wrote: I would argue that this is perfectly good markup styling: ol li1 - Aardvark/li li2 - Banshee/li li3 - Cicada/li /ol and then: ol li {

Re: [WSG] CSS List Separator

2005-06-15 Thread Bert Doorn
Paul Novitski wrote: What about using ULs in this case? (That's how I originally marked up my example; should have left it like that!) How would a screen-reader read this: ul li1 - Aardvark/li li2 - Banshee/li li3 - Cicada/li

RE: [WSG] CSS List Separator

2005-06-15 Thread Patrick Lauke
Bert Doorn I don't have access to jaws or the like, but what about semantics? Is it an unordered list made to look like an ordered list, or an ordered list using the wrong element? I seem to remember, from my days with JAWS 4, that it would be read out as List with 3 itemsbullet; 1

Re: [WSG] CSS List Separator

2005-06-15 Thread John Allsopp
Bert, Or what about simple normal every-day headings? We can go up to 6 levels deep with them... I guess it all depends on the application. I think using headings is a very good suggestion. In legislation, the numbered entries we are talking about are indeed headings for sections, sub

RE: [WSG] CSS List Separator

2005-06-15 Thread Joshua Street
On Wed, 2005-06-15 at 10:10 +0100, Patrick Lauke wrote: I think that this (particularly the legal document case) is a scenario in which we have to recognise that there *is* no widely supported semantic equivalent. I'd agree with this statement, however, in terms of structuring your content in

Re: [WSG] CSS List Separator

2005-06-15 Thread John Allsopp
Bert, Patrick and all. The issue of semantics, presentation and accessibility for legislation is a really good example of the genuine social importance of what people like members of WSG do. The law is central to our society. We probably all know the maxim ignorance of the law is no

Re: [WSG] CSS List Separator

2005-06-14 Thread John Allsopp
Richard, Wondering how we can get CSS to specifity the spearator used in ordered lists (ie: the thing between the list item number and the value of the list item). For example... 1. a) 1 - a: I need this ability to replicate government legislation and apparently

Re: [WSG] CSS List Separator

2005-06-14 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Richard Czeiger wrote: Wondering how we can get CSS to specifity the spearator used in ordered lists As far as I can tell, you should be able to define that with the styles provided for automatic numbering and lists in CSS 2.1 http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/generate.html#counters

Re: [WSG] CSS List Separator

2005-06-14 Thread Richard Czeiger
Subject: Re: [WSG] CSS List Separator Richard Czeiger wrote: Wondering how we can get CSS to specifity the spearator used in ordered lists As far as I can tell, you should be able to define that with the styles provided for automatic numbering and lists in CSS 2.1 http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21

Re: [WSG] CSS List Separator

2005-06-14 Thread John Horner
I need this ability to replicate government legislation and apparently it has to be an EXACT duplicate. As far as I can tell, this isn't in the spec. Has anyone found a solution? Some fancy CSS hack or DOM scripting that will get around this? If that EXACT is truly non-negotiable, as in, it

Re: [WSG] CSS List Separator

2005-06-14 Thread heretic
Wondering how we can get CSS to specifity the spearator used in ordered lists (ie: the thing between the list item number and the value of the list item). For example... As someone has already mentioned, http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/generate.html#counters will eventually be the way to do

Re: [WSG] CSS List Separator

2005-06-14 Thread Terrence Wood
On 15 Jun 2005, at 12:19 PM, John Allsopp wrote: numbering is a very important part of the content of some documents (particularly legislation) and so should be in the content of the HTML I completely agree, and have been involved in translating legislation into a web format. It's a shame

RE: [WSG] CSS List Separator

2005-06-14 Thread Derek Featherstone
On Tuesday, June 14, 2005 9:56 PM, Terrence Wood wrote: I completely agree, and have been involved in translating legislation into a web format. It's a shame that the start attribute has been deprecated in XHTML (last I looked). Well, there is always HTML 4.01 for these cases (legislation,

Re: [WSG] CSS List Separator

2005-06-14 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
On 15 Jun 2005, at 11:11 am, Derek Featherstone wrote: As has already been said, simply choosing the right DOCTYPE for the job may not be enough, though, given that we still don't really know to what degree punctuation matters. I've been busy putting a law text on a web page (alongside

SV: Re: [WSG] CSS problems in IE (weird font-size)

2005-06-06 Thread Nanna B.K.
Do you have a DTD declaration at the top of your HTML? It can make quite a difference to how IE works with CSS, especially with tables and percentage font sizes. And older versions of IE do different things to IE6 too. Hi, Thanks for all the good suggestions. It was neither my

Re: [WSG] CSS problems in IE (weird font-size)

2005-06-02 Thread Bert Doorn
G'day Has any one encountered problems with IE when using CSS style sheets? I'm making a web page with a menu using tables (which I think might be causing the problem in the first place) It may, since the content of tables often does not inherit font settings on a container element or even

SV: Re: [WSG] CSS problems in IE (weird font-size)

2005-06-02 Thread Nanna B.K.
It may, since the content of tables often does not inherit font settings on a container element or even the body If it has to stay in a table, add a rule in your css for that table (give it an id or class) and see if that fixes the immediate problem. Thanks for replying so fast, it

Re: SV: Re: [WSG] CSS problems in IE (weird font-size)

2005-06-02 Thread Bert Doorn
G'day again Thanks for replying so fast, it didn't work though. I have assigned each element in my menu a class either: Sounds like overkill to me, but hard to be specific without seeing the page. a.menu {background-color: #FF; color: #0066CC; text-align: left; text-decoration: bold;

Re: SV: Re: [WSG] CSS problems in IE (weird font-size)

2005-06-02 Thread Tim John
Hi Nanna, I think you'll find that if you give the relevant td's a font size, this should overcome the problem. Fingers crossed! Tim. It may, since the content of tables often does not inherit font settings on a container element or even the body If it has to stay in a table, add a rule in

Re: [WSG] CSS problems in IE (weird font-size)

2005-06-02 Thread Anthony Cartmell
Nanna, Has any one encountered problems with IE when using CSS style sheets? Yes, _lots_!! Do you have a DTD declaration at the top of your HTML? It can make quite a difference to how IE works with CSS, especially with tables and percentage font sizes. And older versions of IE do

Re: [WSG] CSS Dropdown menu

2005-05-24 Thread Rowan Lewis
Nothing wrong with styling states with CSS, but there is plenty wrong with using javascript to overwrite CSS states when you could do exactly the same thing with CSS. However, adding javascript to make a browser work like the others do is fine, but you should try to compress it some what, to save

Re: [WSG] CSS Dropdown menu

2005-05-24 Thread Michael Lykke
On 5/24/05, Thierry Koblentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is said that flyout and dropdown menus belong to the behavior layer and that CSS should not be used to accomplish such things. Also, because this technique relies on CSS *and* Scripting it overlaps 2 layers; and that's supposed to be bad

Re: [WSG] CSS Dropdown menu

2005-05-24 Thread Joshua Street
On Tue, 2005-05-24 at 14:00 +0200, Michael Lykke wrote: Im just wondering - Cause sometimes it seems to me that alot of effort is put into making something correct way beyond just adhering to the webstandards. Like asking whether it is ok to use list definitions when the list only has a single

Re: [WSG] CSS Dropdown menu

2005-05-24 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Rowan Lewis wrote: Nothing wrong with styling states with CSS, but there is plenty wrong with using javascript to overwrite CSS states when you could do exactly the same thing with CSS. However, adding javascript to make a browser work like the others do is fine, but you should try to

Re: [WSG] CSS selectors: next adjacent element?

2005-05-24 Thread Matt Thommes
Do you mean something like div.picture + h3 {...} I'm pretty sure I mean that - I am, perhaps, confused on what the plus (+) sign does. I was under the impression that your example meant this: div class=picture h3.../h3 /div .. rather than this: div class=picture ... /div h3.../h3

Re: [WSG] CSS selectors: next adjacent element?

2005-05-24 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Matt Thommes wrote: I'm pretty sure I mean that - I am, perhaps, confused on what the plus (+) sign does. I was under the impression that your example meant this: Have a good read through http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/selector.html -- Patrick H. Lauke

Re: [WSG] CSS Dropdown menu

2005-05-24 Thread Rowan Lewis
I'm just saying that its silly to reinvent things like :hover with javascript and DOM but its perfectly fine to write javascript to fix browser incompatability (IE doesn't support :hover on all elements). On 5/25/05, Thierry Koblentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rowan Lewis wrote: Nothing wrong

Re: [WSG] CSS selectors: next adjacent element?

2005-05-24 Thread Chris Stratford
How well supported is this method - the +?? Any documentation of that? Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Matt Thommes wrote: I'm pretty sure I mean that - I am, perhaps, confused on what the plus (+) sign does. I was under the impression that your example meant this: Have a good read through

Re: [WSG] CSS selectors: next adjacent element?

2005-05-24 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
On 25 May 2005, at 9:42 am, Chris Stratford wrote: How well supported is this method - the +?? Any documentation of that? The usual suspects: Firefox, Safari, Omniweb, Opera, IE Mac all handle this correctly. For the browser with way too much market share, you'll need Dean's IE7.

Re: [WSG] CSS Dropdown menu

2005-05-23 Thread Frederic Fery
on your site is says What's Bad We're using CSS for another purpose than presentation. why is it that bad? On 5/24/05, Thierry Koblentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For people interested in à la suckerfish menus, this one now allows tabbing navigation in MSIE too:

Re: [WSG] CSS Dropdown menu

2005-05-23 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Frederic Fery wrote: on your site is says What's Bad We're using CSS for another purpose than presentation. why is it that bad? It is said that flyout and dropdown menus belong to the behavior layer and that CSS should not be used to accomplish such things. Also, because this technique

Re: [WSG] CSS Hack?

2005-05-21 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Cb2 Web Design wrote: It is a empty comment hack: html/**/body selector, that seems to be applied only by I.E. 6.x http://www.cb2web.com/tut_csshack.shtml Haven't seen that variant in the wild yet. My general response to this, and any hack, is in the headlines and start-paragraphs on this

Re: [WSG] CSS Hack?

2005-05-21 Thread Rowan Lewis
Nice find! I've tested (using your test page) on my copy of Internet Explorer: First: blue (not effected) Secont: red (effected) Thrid: black (not effected) Hope that helps you. On 5/22/05, Gunlaug Sørtun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cb2 Web Design wrote: It is a empty comment hack:

Re: [WSG] CSS list spacing: margin or line-height?

2005-05-18 Thread Bert Doorn
G'day I've noticed that the CSS 'line-height' property provides extra spacing between list items, such as in an ordered list, unordered list, as well as definition lists. ... I was wondering if anyone else uses 'line-height' - or do most people use 'margin'? I'd stick with margins (or padding)

Re: [WSG] CSS list spacing: margin or line-height?

2005-05-18 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Matt Thommes wrote: I've noticed that the CSS 'line-height' property provides extra spacing between list items, such as in an ordered list, unordered list, as well as definition lists. I try to favor line-height rather than padding if I'm dealing with an element that is styled with a height

Re: [WSG] CSS for changeing colors

2005-05-17 Thread Thierry Koblentz
The Man With His Guide Dog At The Tent Store wrote: I do not know if this is off topic. Can CSS be used to change background and foreground colors to create a more accessible web site.? If so, how? Or please direct me to a web site that discusses the topic. Alternative styles article:

Re: [WSG] CSS Comments

2005-05-11 Thread Brian Cummiskey
Kerri McKenna wrote: Hi everyone, I realize that /* */ are used to add comments to CSS, but I'm not clear on what /* \*/ means, or what the single asterisk is used for. /* */ pairs alone are comments, yes, but they are also used as hacks when they are used in the right sequence. Some browsers

Re: [WSG] CSS Comments

2005-05-11 Thread Horst Gutmann
Kerri McKenna wrote: Hi everyone, I realize that /* */ are used to add comments to CSS, but I'm not clear on what /* \*/ means, or what the single asterisk is used for. Kerri PS - I've only just joined the list so I do apologize if this is perceived as off topic. --- Excerpt

Re: [WSG] CSS Comments

2005-05-11 Thread Jan Brasna
Hi, it's a CSS filter to rule out IE5Mac, see http://www.dithered.com/css_filters/css_only/escaped_comment_end.html -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/

Re: [WSG] CSS Comments

2005-05-11 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Drake, Ted C. wrote: This is a hack to send a style to Internet Explorer on windows and not mac. IMHO, IE CCs are a better alternative to this hack: http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/author/dhtml/overview/ccomment_ovw.asp Thierry | http://www.TJKDesign.com

Re: [WSG] CSS Comments

2005-05-11 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
On 12 May 2005, at 5:15 am, Drake, Ted C. wrote: This is a hack to send a style to Internet Explorer on windows and not mac. /* \*/ hides it from IE Mac, which doesn't understand the escape \ It would be better formulated as: 'A filter to hide the next rule block from IE Mac'. In full: /* hide

Re: [WSG] CSS Cheatsheet

2005-05-03 Thread Tom Livingston
On May 3, 2005, at 2:10 PM, Amit Karmakar wrote: http://www.ilovejackdaniels.com/css_cheat_sheet.png Neat! Now the desktop pic on my second monitor. ;) -- Tom Livingston Senior Multimedia Artist Media Logic www.mlinc.com -- www.browsehappy.com www.opera.com

RE: [WSG] CSS Zen Garden piss take, anyone got link?

2005-04-17 Thread Paul Bennett
http://brucelawson.co.uk/garden ? ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help

Re: [WSG] CSS Zen Garden piss take, anyone got link?

2005-04-17 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Rebecca Cox wrote: Don't know if anyone remembers seeing a sort of rip off of CSS Zen Garden a while back? Someone did a manky looking old school design, not on the main site. Off topic, but I remember Dave Shea sending me a chuckling reply when I pointed him to my own - admittedly super simple

Re: [WSG] CSS Zen Garden piss take, anyone got link?

2005-04-17 Thread Rimantas Liubertas
On 4/18/05, Rebecca Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Don't know if anyone remembers seeing a sort of rip off of CSS Zen Garden a while back? Someone did a manky looking old school design, not on the main site. I'm after the URL if anyone has it.

Re: [WSG] CSS issues: Opera's absolute positioning

2005-04-13 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Thierry Koblentz wrote: You could try to move the UL just before the text box and then use *float* rather than an AP div... I grudgingly did that to work around Opera's bug (just doesn't feel right to have options before the actual input in the document flow...but hey) Also, after attempting in

Re: [WSG] CSS issues: Opera's absolute positioning

2005-04-13 Thread Kvnmcwebn
0s 9 comments -for what there worth, in ie5.2 mac- messy overlaps w/radio buttons and text. positioning of google search button isnt right. maybe the backslash hack would do the trick if you feel inclined to support this browser. looks good in mozilla mac os 9 -kvnmcwebn

Re: [WSG] CSS issues: Opera's absolute positioning

2005-04-11 Thread Kornel Lesinski
On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 13:53:14 +0100, Patrick Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm pretty sure it's a bug in (Win) Opera's absolute positioning implementation, but annoying nonetheless... would anybody be able to suggest a simple fix to get the advanced search/preferences list to align properly next

RE: [WSG] CSS issues: Opera's absolute positioning

2005-04-11 Thread Patrick Lauke
Kornel Lesinski The funny thing is, that in my Opera 8b3/win your XHTML is pixel-perfect with original Firefox startpage, Interesting. In my copy of Opera 8 (can't remember which beta, but it's build 7401) I have the Advanced Search / Preferences to the right of the actual FF logo, completely

Re: [WSG] CSS issues: Opera's absolute positioning

2005-04-11 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
On 11 Apr 2005, at 10:28 pm, Patrick Lauke wrote: but in Firefox 1.0+ (nightly 20050407) you can see pretty nasty bug - submit button overlaps radio buttons. Again, on my FF 1.0.1 and FF 1.1 at home, it only overlaps at very, very small font sizes. Could you email me screenshots off list, if it's

Re: [WSG] CSS issues: Opera's absolute positioning

2005-04-11 Thread Ingo Chao
Patrick Lauke schrieb: Kornel Lesinski The funny thing is, that in my Opera 8b3/win your XHTML is pixel-perfect with original Firefox startpage, Interesting. In my copy of Opera 8 (can't remember which beta, but it's build 7401) I have the Advanced Search / Preferences to the right of the actual

Re: [WSG] CSS issues: Opera's absolute positioning

2005-04-11 Thread Ingo Chao
Patrick Lauke schrieb: I'm pretty sure it's a bug in (Win) Opera's absolute positioning implementation, but annoying nonetheless... would anybody be able to suggest a simple fix to get the advanced search/preferences list to align properly next to the input on my frugal google experiment

Re: [WSG] CSS issues: Opera's absolute positioning

2005-04-11 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Philippe Wittenbergh wrote: The problem stems form this in the default forms.css legend { ... position: static ! important; float: none ! important; } Ingo Chao wrote: I think the problem is in the browser default /res/form.css: legend { ... float: none ! important; } Well that's just

Re: [WSG] CSS issues: Opera's absolute positioning

2005-04-11 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
On 12 Apr 2005, at 10:30 am, Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Well that's just peachy...so basically, there's no way to override this, as it will always take precedence over anything I can do with my styles thanks to the ! important. Interestingly, these rules weren't in my forms.css, but now that I've

Re: [WSG] CSS issues: Opera's absolute positioning

2005-04-11 Thread Lea de Groot
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 02:30:24 +0100, Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Well that's just peachy...so basically, there's no way to override this, as it will always take precedence over anything I can do with my styles thanks to the ! important. Interestingly, these rules weren't in my forms.css, but now

Re: [WSG] CSS issues: Opera's absolute positioning

2005-04-11 Thread Thierry Koblentz
would anybody be able to suggest a simple fix to get the advanced search/preferences list to align properly next to the input on my frugal google experiment http://www.splintered.co.uk/experiments/74/ ? You could try to move the UL just before the text box and then use *float* rather than an

Re: [WSG] CSS Document layout/structure

2005-04-07 Thread Piero Fissore
I think it's a very intresting question! :) We always talk about clear coding in xhtml, but which is the best way to write a css? I think this could be a starting point discussion.

RE: [WSG] CSS Document layout/structure

2005-04-07 Thread Jacobus van Niekerk
I normally write my css to follow the structure of the xhtml: /* Main layout*/ ... ... /* Nav */ ... ... /* Sub nav */ ... ... /* Content */ ... ... /* Side Content */ ... ... /* Footer */ ... ... I also tend to split my css in different files. structure.css - keep all structure css

Re: [WSG] CSS Document layout/structure

2005-04-07 Thread Piero Fissore
And what about the properties order? Generally I use to do something like this: a { font:1em sans-serif; color:#333; font-weight:bold; text-decoration:none; margin:1em; padding:0.5em; background:#ddd; border-bottom:1px solid #ccc; } First I set the font and text properties, than the

RE: [WSG] CSS Document layout/structure

2005-04-07 Thread Patrick Lauke
C Slack Having sorted out the html code to make it more readable and modifiable it seems that we have shifted the mess to style sheets. Many of the sheets I look at are long, comment-less and very difficult to understand. So that I don't fall into the same trap, can anyone recommend

Re: [WSG] CSS Document layout/structure

2005-04-07 Thread Jeremy Keith
Jacobus wrote: I also tend to split my css in different files. structure.css - keep all structure css Text.css - all text related formatting Small.css - used in style switcher to set text to small Medium.css - used in style switcher to set text to medium Large.css - used in style switcher to set

Re: [WSG] CSS Document layout/structure

2005-04-07 Thread C Slack
Thanks Patrick and others. For the record I think that the Malarkey URL you refer to is: http://www.stuffandnonsense.co.uk/archives/stylesheet_ordering.html It has given me lots of things to think about. Regards, Charlie Patrick Lauke wrote: C Slack Having sorted out the html code to make

RE: [WSG] CSS Document layout/structure

2005-04-07 Thread Ricci Angela
! Angela -Message d'origine- De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] la part de Jacobus van Niekerk Envoyé : jeudi 7 avril 2005 12:09 À : wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Objet : RE: [WSG] CSS Document layout/structure I normally write my css to follow the structure

Re: [WSG] CSS Document layout/structure

2005-04-07 Thread Kornel Lesinski
On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 10:33:58 +0100, C Slack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I group and sort properties in rule like this: selector { positioning; floats; width; height; margin; padding; border; color; background; text-; font-; } For programming languages I prefer Allman style of

Re: [WSG] CSS Document layout/structure

2005-04-07 Thread Kornel Lesinski
On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 12:44:52 +0100, Piero Fissore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: #menu { width: [$menuwidth-$menupadding-2*5px]; padding: $menupadding; border: 5px solid red; } Mmm, cool! But does it really help you? During development - a lot. I usually put menu after content in document - this

RE: [WSG] CSS Document layout/structure

2005-04-07 Thread Townson, Chris
] On Behalf Of Ricci Angela Sent: 07 April 2005 12:30 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] CSS Document layout/structure Hi! I always do the same: I group styles of the same nature, beggining by redefining default values where it is needed, and then by page structure

RE: [WSG] CSS Document layout/structure

2005-04-07 Thread Hugues Brunelle
Hi Charlie, I know what you mean, I did many redesign stuff and find out that I wasn't able to understand my own css file (that was awful). You can see a sample at http://www.echo3d.com/css/screen.css It looks complex but if you pay attention, you'll see that everything is in order. Here is some

Re: [WSG] CSS Document layout/structure

2005-04-07 Thread Martin Heiden
Hi! I split the rules into different files: general.css layout.css elements.css In these files I try to use container centric selectors. That means: if the XHTML is structured like this: div id=container1 div id=container2 div id=container3 p/p /div

Re: [WSG] CSS Document layout/structure

2005-04-07 Thread Lea de Groot
On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 14:22:04 +0200, Martin Heiden wrote: I split the rules into different files: general.css layout.css elements.css Are you seeing much overhead in load time? I've put off doing the same for that reason. Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems -

RE: [WSG] CSS Document layout/structure

2005-04-07 Thread Mike Foskett
-Original Message- From: Hugues Brunelle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 07 April 2005 14:17 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] CSS Document layout/structure Hi Charlie, I know what you mean, I did many redesign stuff and find out

RE: [WSG] CSS Document layout/structure

2005-04-07 Thread Hugues Brunelle
: April 7, 2005 07:33 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] CSS Document layout/structure On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 14:17:01 +0100, Hugues Brunelle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can see a sample at http://www.echo3d.com/css/screen.css It looks complex but if you pay attention, Why aren't you

Re: [WSG] CSS Document layout/structure

2005-04-07 Thread David Laakso
On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 10:41:55 -0500, Hugues Brunelle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes you're right, it it just because I'm always changing my declarations so I let them on the long formulation :) I know that soon I'll have to simplified these declarations. Hugues [...] border-top-width: 0px;

Re: [WSG] CSS Document layout/structure

2005-04-07 Thread Dave Elkan
To add to readability of your css you should also consider the layout of the individual css rules as well as their organisation/categorisation. Using typical whitespacing that applies to most coding standards you can come up with the usual layout: .className { property: propertyValue;

Re: [WSG] CSS Document layout/structure

2005-04-07 Thread David Laakso
On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 17:26:50 +0100, Kornel Lesinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 16:55:52 +0100, David Laakso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: border: 0; border-bottom: 0.1em dotted #781B11; Property redefined. That's correct. The shorthand property border already defines

Re: [WSG] CSS Document layout/structure

2005-04-07 Thread Tom Livingston
On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 15:06:32 -0400, David Laakso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Granted. Is there any browser software will not render the shortest declaration? http://www.dlaakso.com/border.html Best, David Both look the same-Opera 7.54u2 Mac... -- Tom Livingston Senior Multimedia Artist Media Logic

Re: [WSG] CSS Document layout/structure

2005-04-07 Thread Paul Novitski
It's fascinating to see so many CSS styling standards. What makes perfect sense to one person can be nonsensical to the next. Clearly what makes styling work for any author is consistency and thoughtful logic -- even if that logic is idiosyncratic. Here's what I do: Any given page can have

RE: [WSG] CSS Document layout/structure

2005-04-07 Thread Earle Castledine
Im also interested in this As I'm a programmer I had started laying out my css like code, so that id have: #nav{} #nav p{} #nav ul{} #nav ul li{} Which to me made sense and was nice and clear. But the problem was that things are not related 1 to 1... the #nav ul li{} may

RE: [WSG] CSS Document layout/structure

2005-04-07 Thread Focas, Grant
Another thing to consider is whether other people have to read your CSS. If working in groups (or still learning) its best to minimise redundancy. see http://www.mezzoblue.com/archives/2005/01/20/redundancy_v/ cheers, Grant Having sorted out the html code to make it more readable and

RE: [WSG] CSS Document layout/structure

2005-04-07 Thread diona kidd
I'm also from a programming background. Lately I've been working to try to take advantage of the inheritance in CSS. So, I start with a base.css (or global.css) and as the CSS grows, I break out portions specific to a portion of the interface out into seperate files. For instance, start with

Re: [WSG] css expresions? todo : not todo

2005-04-05 Thread David Laakso
On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 12:23:31 -0400, Alan Trick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What do you guys think of useing css expressions to mimic standards-compliant behavior. (hidden, of course, from the good browsers) If you mean *ie expressions,* they work out well for me. One useful example I found would

Re: [WSG] css expresions? todo : not todo

2005-04-05 Thread Alan Trick
David Laakso wrote: One useful example I found would be something like this: http://blogs.clearscreen.com/migs/archive/2004/12/23/676.aspx (could not locate remote server) Funny, it works well for me? Anyways, it's just a nice article on wo to make use of css selectors in IE.

Re: [WSG] CSS in HTML Emails

2005-03-28 Thread Neerav
Richard http://hotwired.lycos.com/webmonkey/04/12/index4a.html and http://www.htmldog.com/ptg/archives/55.php are useful articles about mobile phone browsers a useful post to the WSG from a while back by Kenneth Feldman is quoted below: -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web

Re: [WSG] CSS/Font size query

2005-03-24 Thread Felix Miata
Dave Barnett wrote: The URL is: http://www.flinders.edu.au/ We have tested the page on all available browser/system setups without a hitch, but we periodically receive emails from people complaining about “tiny” font sizes. Due to your style: body {font: normal 0.75em/127% ...

Re: [WSG] CSS/Font size query

2005-03-23 Thread Scott Thornton
Hi, I occasionally run into this when developing sites. I far as I can tell, I am hitting some weird key combination that decreases the font, because when I go to View - Text Size - Medium its all back to normal. This happened to me last week (text was small i ie 6.1 and firefox 1.0 ) so

Re: [WSG] CSS/Font size query

2005-03-23 Thread Bert Doorn
G'day The URL is: http://www.flinders.edu.au/ We have tested the page on all available browser/system setups without a hitch, but we periodically receive emails from people complaining about tiny font sizes. Problem is caused by this line to start off with: font: normal 0.75em/127% Verdana,

Re: [WSG] CSS/Font size query

2005-03-23 Thread David Laakso
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:11:36 +1030, Dave Barnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The URL is: http://www.flinders.edu.au/ We have tested the page on all available browser/system setups without a hitch, but we periodically receive emails from people complaining about tiny font sizes. As mentioned

RE: [WSG] Css Floating Image

2005-03-21 Thread M M
Thank you that solved the problem in IE. Matt From: Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Css Floating Image Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 19:12:31 +1100 -Original Message- From: M M [mailto

Re: [WSG] CSS validator says [xX][mM][lL] is not allowed.

2005-03-19 Thread Sigurd Magnusson
I get the same response, so would seem to be a bug; perhaps submit a bug report to w3c? (Our company has sent in a bug report for the w3c xhtml 1.1 validator the other week, so don't treat it as absolutely perfect!!) Siggy - Original Message - From: Andrey Stefanenko [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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