Re: [WSG] Accessible Forms - empty labels (??)
Hi, No, that's not old fashioned, it's quite the opposite - it's designing for the future. It's designing for the wide range of user needs (rather than ones own graphic design sensibilities), which is still a new concept for many Web designers. Stuart On Sun, April 15, 2007 3:50 am, Katrina wrote: > Bojana Lalic wrote: >> Hi all >> >> >> >> Accverify fails my code because my input element does not contain the >> alt attribute or label. >> >> >> I don't want any text displayed before or after the query text input >> element. Should I wrap a label around the input element and then hide it >> using css? How do I get around this accessibility issue? >> >> > > I know I'm rather old-fashioned, by why not display text beforehand? > > Search for: > > > > It's explicit rather than implicit what is required in that field. I > regularly run into problems with forms because apparently everybody is > supposed to know what goes in them (I have to spend time figuring it out). > > But I suppose it's all down to what happens in your user testing :) > > Kat > > > *** > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *** > > -- Stuart Foulstone. http://www.bigeasyweb.co.uk BigEasy Web Design 69 Flockton Court Rockingham Street Sheffield S1 4EB Tel. 07751 413451 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Accessible Forms - empty labels (??)
Bojana Lalic wrote: Hi all Accverify fails my code because my input element does not contain the alt attribute or label. I don't want any text displayed before or after the query text input element. Should I wrap a label around the input element and then hide it using css? How do I get around this accessibility issue? I know I'm rather old-fashioned, by why not display text beforehand? Search for: It's explicit rather than implicit what is required in that field. I regularly run into problems with forms because apparently everybody is supposed to know what goes in them (I have to spend time figuring it out). But I suppose it's all down to what happens in your user testing :) Kat *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Accessible Forms - empty labels (??)
Mmm, not really the kind of label tags we were discussing. Stuart On Sat, April 14, 2007 9:08 am, Matthew Pennell wrote: > PS: Link for you: http://alistapart.com/articles/alphabet > > ;) > > > *** > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *** -- Stuart Foulstone. http://www.bigeasyweb.co.uk BigEasy Web Design 69 Flockton Court Rockingham Street Sheffield S1 4EB Tel. 07751 413451 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Accessible Forms - empty labels (??)
On 14 Apr 2007, at 07:25:29, Stuart Foulstone wrote: Hi, Doesn't look like valid code to me. Stuart http://www.w3.org/ TR/html4/strict.dtd"> blah Search NOW it's valid ;-) On Thu, April 12, 2007 2:07 pm, Nick Fitzsimons wrote: On 12 Apr 2007, at 13:34:06, Patrick Lauke wrote: I'm not making assumptions. I'm saying that, for sighted users, having a text input box with no visible label and a button that says "Search" immediately next to it is labelling enough. Surely Search would therefore keep everybody happy? (Or does it matter if focus is switched to the text field as the form is submitted - sounds like the kind of odd case that A Certain Browser might get unreasonably petulant about...) Regards, Nick. -- Nick Fitzsimons http://www.nickfitz.co.uk/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Stuart Foulstone. http://www.bigeasyweb.co.uk BigEasy Web Design 69 Flockton Court Rockingham Street Sheffield S1 4EB Tel. 07751 413451 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Nick Fitzsimons http://www.nickfitz.co.uk/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Accessible Forms - empty labels (??)
On 4/14/07, Stuart Foulstone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Doesn't look like valid code to me. Of course it's valid - the LABEL element can contain other inline elements, which BUTTON is. Matthew. PS: Link for you: http://alistapart.com/articles/alphabet ;) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Accessible Forms - empty labels (??)
Hi, Doesn't look like valid code to me. Stuart On Thu, April 12, 2007 2:07 pm, Nick Fitzsimons wrote: > On 12 Apr 2007, at 13:34:06, Patrick Lauke wrote: > >> I'm not making assumptions. I'm saying that, for sighted users, >> having a text input box with no visible label and a button that >> says "Search" immediately next to it is labelling enough. >> > > Surely > > > > Search > > > would therefore keep everybody happy? > > (Or does it matter if focus is switched to the text field as the form > is submitted - sounds like the kind of odd case that A Certain > Browser might get unreasonably petulant about...) > > Regards, > > Nick. > -- > Nick Fitzsimons > http://www.nickfitz.co.uk/ > > > > > > *** > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *** > > -- Stuart Foulstone. http://www.bigeasyweb.co.uk BigEasy Web Design 69 Flockton Court Rockingham Street Sheffield S1 4EB Tel. 07751 413451 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Accessible Forms - empty labels (??)
> Nick Fitzsimons > Surely > > > > Search > > > would therefore keep everybody happy? Depends on AT support (whether or not a screenreader would actually be able to make sense of this construct and expose "Search" as explicit label for the search box when focussed on). Personally, I wouldn't have too many problems with this if support was consistent. P Patrick H. Lauke Web Editor External Relations Division University of Salford Room 113, Faraday House Salford, Greater Manchester M5 4WT UK T +44 (0) 161 295 4779 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.salford.ac.uk A GREATER MANCHESTER UNIVERSITY *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Accessible Forms - empty labels (??)
> Nick Fitzsimons > Surely > > > > Search > > > would therefore keep everybody happy? Depends on AT support (whether or not a screenreader would actually be able to make sense of this construct and expose "Search" as explicit label for the search box when focussed on). Personally, I wouldn't have too many problems with this if support was consistent. P Patrick H. Lauke Web Editor External Relations Division University of Salford Room 113, Faraday House Salford, Greater Manchester M5 4WT UK T +44 (0) 161 295 4779 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.salford.ac.uk A GREATER MANCHESTER UNIVERSITY *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Accessible Forms - empty labels (??)
On 12 Apr 2007, at 13:34:06, Patrick Lauke wrote: I'm not making assumptions. I'm saying that, for sighted users, having a text input box with no visible label and a button that says "Search" immediately next to it is labelling enough. Surely Search would therefore keep everybody happy? (Or does it matter if focus is switched to the text field as the form is submitted - sounds like the kind of odd case that A Certain Browser might get unreasonably petulant about...) Regards, Nick. -- Nick Fitzsimons http://www.nickfitz.co.uk/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Accessible Forms - empty labels (??)
> Stuart Foulstone > Sorry, I thought we were discussing labels for form input > boxes (not just > one-box input search forms). I was specifically talking about the type of form Bojana mentions in the thread starter. > However, generally speaking, making assumptions about > accessibility based > on the visual positioning of elements "in a logical common > place used by > most other sites" is not a good idea. I'm not making assumptions. I'm saying that, for sighted users, having a text input box with no visible label and a button that says "Search" immediately next to it is labelling enough. > Better to design to Web standards rather the standard of > other Websites. You seem to be getting a tad confused here. Am I talking about abandoning web standards? No. Is it worth looking at other websites for common design patterns that users are already familiar with? Yes. These aren't mutually exclusive. I'm saying that having a label element that is moved off-left via CSS - keeping it in the markup, but not visible - is an acceptable solution in this case, and doing so would not pose accessibility problems to other user groups (e.g. sighted users with motor impairments, provided the text input offers a large enough clickable area in itself). P Patrick H. Lauke Web Editor External Relations Division University of Salford Room 113, Faraday House Salford, Greater Manchester M5 4WT UK T +44 (0) 161 295 4779 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.salford.ac.uk A GREATER MANCHESTER UNIVERSITY *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Accessible Forms - empty labels (??)
Sorry, I thought we were discussing labels for form input boxes (not just one-box input search forms). However, generally speaking, making assumptions about accessibility based on the visual positioning of elements "in a logical common place used by most other sites" is not a good idea. Better to design to Web standards rather the standard of other Websites. Stuart On Thu, April 12, 2007 11:51 am, Patrick Lauke wrote: >> Stuart Foulstone > >> If you're only concerned about providing form accessibility for >> screenreaders, and no other disability, you could use the >> method below or >> a transparent.gif with appropriate alt-text would work too. > > Not necessarily just for screenreader accessibility. If the input itself > is large enough, there's no problem for users with motor problems. And > arguably, having a button immediately adjacent to the text input that says > "Search" (and, I'm assuming, having it in a logical common place used by > most other sites, like top-right) is enough visual labelling, so omitting > a visible label for that text input shouldn't really cause accessibility > issues for other audiences... > > P > > Patrick H. Lauke > Web Editor > External Relations Division > University of Salford > Room 113, Faraday House > Salford, Greater Manchester > M5 4WT > UK > > T +44 (0) 161 295 4779 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > www.salford.ac.uk > > A GREATER MANCHESTER UNIVERSITY > > > *** > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *** > > -- Stuart Foulstone. http://www.bigeasyweb.co.uk BigEasy Web Design 69 Flockton Court Rockingham Street Sheffield S1 4EB Tel. 07751 413451 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Accessible Forms - empty labels (??)
You could label the field as "search" and the button as "go" perhaps. I'm guessing you don't want to label the search field because the submit would also be labeled search? Patrick Lauke wrote: Stuart Foulstone If you're only concerned about providing form accessibility for screenreaders, and no other disability, you could use the method below or a transparent.gif with appropriate alt-text would work too. Not necessarily just for screenreader accessibility. If the input itself is large enough, there's no problem for users with motor problems. And arguably, having a button immediately adjacent to the text input that says "Search" (and, I'm assuming, having it in a logical common place used by most other sites, like top-right) is enough visual labelling, so omitting a visible label for that text input shouldn't really cause accessibility issues for other audiences... P Patrick H. Lauke Web Editor External Relations Division University of Salford Room 113, Faraday House Salford, Greater Manchester M5 4WT UK T +44 (0) 161 295 4779 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.salford.ac.uk A GREATER MANCHESTER UNIVERSITY *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Accessible Forms - empty labels (??)
> Stuart Foulstone > If you're only concerned about providing form accessibility for > screenreaders, and no other disability, you could use the > method below or > a transparent.gif with appropriate alt-text would work too. Not necessarily just for screenreader accessibility. If the input itself is large enough, there's no problem for users with motor problems. And arguably, having a button immediately adjacent to the text input that says "Search" (and, I'm assuming, having it in a logical common place used by most other sites, like top-right) is enough visual labelling, so omitting a visible label for that text input shouldn't really cause accessibility issues for other audiences... P Patrick H. Lauke Web Editor External Relations Division University of Salford Room 113, Faraday House Salford, Greater Manchester M5 4WT UK T +44 (0) 161 295 4779 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.salford.ac.uk A GREATER MANCHESTER UNIVERSITY *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Accessible Forms - empty labels (??)
Hi,
If you're only concerned about providing form accessibility for
screenreaders, and no other disability, you could use the method below or
a transparent.gif with appropriate alt-text would work too.
Stuart
On Thu, April 12, 2007 2:50 am, Micky Hulse wrote:
> Bojana Lalic wrote:
>> I dont want any text displayed before or after the query text input
>> element. Should I wrap a label around the input element and then hide it
>> using css? How do I get around this accessibility issue?
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> Me personally, I setup my form normally using label/input, then apply
> absolute positioning to the label if I do not want it to show:
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Re: [WSG] Accessible Forms - empty labels (??)
Hi, Yes, quite often accessibility features for people with disabilities increase accessibility for everyone and, hence, "usability". The clickability of label/field makes forms more accessible for people with certain motor problems that have difficulty pointing with a mouse by increasing the "target area" (particularly useful for checkboxes and radio buttons). Stuart On Thu, April 12, 2007 10:29 am, Jixor - Stephen I wrote: > I would refer to that as usability. > > Stuart Foulstone wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Since the ability to click on the label (or field) to put focus on the >> field is an accessibility feature of forms, I don't really understand >> your >> point. >> >> Stuart >> >> >> >> On Thu, April 12, 2007 9:40 am, Jixor - Stephen I wrote: >> >>> The labels are also clickable to focus on their respective fields so I >>> wouldn't say they are purely accessibility oriented in nature. >>> >>> Stuart Foulstone wrote: >>> Hi, The labels are there for accessibility reasons, if you don't want to design for accessibility, don't pretend to. Stuart On Thu, April 12, 2007 1:55 am, Bojana Lalic wrote: > Hi all > > > > Accverify fails my code because my input element does not contain the > alt attribute or label. > > > > I don't want any text displayed before or after the query text input > element. Should I wrap a label around the input element and then hide > it > using css? How do I get around this accessibility issue? > > > > > > name="search_submit" > alt="Submit search query" /> > > > > Regards > > Bojana Lalic > > Web Developer > > education.au > > Level 1, 182 Fullarton Road > > Dulwich, SA 5065 > > p +61 8 8334 3223 > > f + 61 8 8334 3211 > > e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > w http://www.educationau.edu.au > > Visit edna at http://www.edna.edu.au > > > Register Now - Everyone has heard of Wikipedia, the online phenomenon > of > the 21st century, but very few of us know the man behind it. Jimmy > Wales > is coming to Australia! > For further details go to: www.educationau.edu.au/seminar/challenging > > > _ > > IMPORTANT: This e-mail, including any attachments, may contain > private > or > confidential information. > If you think you may not be the intended recipient, or if you have > received this e-mail in error, > please contact the sender immediately and delete all copies of this > e-mail. If you are not the intended > recipient, you must not reproduce any part of this e-mail or disclose > its > contents to any other party. > This email represents the views of the individual sender, which do > not > necessarily reflect those of > education.au limited except where the sender expressly states > otherwise. > It is your responsibility to scan this email and any files > transmitted > with it for viruses or any other > defects. > education.au limited will not be liable for any loss, damage or > consequence caused directly or indirectly by this email. > > > > *** > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *** > > > >>> >>> *** >>> List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm >>> Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm >>> Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> *** >>> >> >> >> > > > > *** > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *** -- Stuart Foulstone. http://www.bigeasyweb.co.uk BigEasy Web Design 69 Flockton Court Rockingham Street Sheffield S1 4EB Tel. 07751 413451 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Accessible Forms - empty labels (??)
I would refer to that as usability. Stuart Foulstone wrote: Hi, Since the ability to click on the label (or field) to put focus on the field is an accessibility feature of forms, I don't really understand your point. Stuart On Thu, April 12, 2007 9:40 am, Jixor - Stephen I wrote: The labels are also clickable to focus on their respective fields so I wouldn't say they are purely accessibility oriented in nature. Stuart Foulstone wrote: Hi, The labels are there for accessibility reasons, if you don't want to design for accessibility, don't pretend to. Stuart On Thu, April 12, 2007 1:55 am, Bojana Lalic wrote: Hi all Accverify fails my code because my input element does not contain the alt attribute or label. I don't want any text displayed before or after the query text input element. Should I wrap a label around the input element and then hide it using css? How do I get around this accessibility issue? Regards Bojana Lalic Web Developer education.au Level 1, 182 Fullarton Road Dulwich, SA 5065 p +61 8 8334 3223 f + 61 8 8334 3211 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w http://www.educationau.edu.au Visit edna at http://www.edna.edu.au Register Now - Everyone has heard of Wikipedia, the online phenomenon of the 21st century, but very few of us know the man behind it. Jimmy Wales is coming to Australia! For further details go to: www.educationau.edu.au/seminar/challenging _ IMPORTANT: This e-mail, including any attachments, may contain private or confidential information. If you think you may not be the intended recipient, or if you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete all copies of this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not reproduce any part of this e-mail or disclose its contents to any other party. This email represents the views of the individual sender, which do not necessarily reflect those of education.au limited except where the sender expressly states otherwise. It is your responsibility to scan this email and any files transmitted with it for viruses or any other defects. education.au limited will not be liable for any loss, damage or consequence caused directly or indirectly by this email. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Accessible Forms - empty labels (??)
Hi, Since the ability to click on the label (or field) to put focus on the field is an accessibility feature of forms, I don't really understand your point. Stuart On Thu, April 12, 2007 9:40 am, Jixor - Stephen I wrote: > The labels are also clickable to focus on their respective fields so I > wouldn't say they are purely accessibility oriented in nature. > > Stuart Foulstone wrote: >> Hi, >> >> The labels are there for accessibility reasons, if you don't want to >> design for accessibility, don't pretend to. >> >> Stuart >> >> >> On Thu, April 12, 2007 1:55 am, Bojana Lalic wrote: >> >>> Hi all >>> >>> >>> >>> Accverify fails my code because my input element does not contain the >>> alt attribute or label. >>> >>> >>> >>> I don't want any text displayed before or after the query text input >>> element. Should I wrap a label around the input element and then hide >>> it >>> using css? How do I get around this accessibility issue? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> alt="Submit search query" /> >>> >>> >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Bojana Lalic >>> >>> Web Developer >>> >>> education.au >>> >>> Level 1, 182 Fullarton Road >>> >>> Dulwich, SA 5065 >>> >>> p +61 8 8334 3223 >>> >>> f + 61 8 8334 3211 >>> >>> e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> w http://www.educationau.edu.au >>> >>> Visit edna at http://www.edna.edu.au >>> >>> >>> Register Now - Everyone has heard of Wikipedia, the online phenomenon >>> of >>> the 21st century, but very few of us know the man behind it. Jimmy >>> Wales >>> is coming to Australia! >>> For further details go to: www.educationau.edu.au/seminar/challenging >>> >>> >>> _ >>> >>> IMPORTANT: This e-mail, including any attachments, may contain private >>> or >>> confidential information. >>> If you think you may not be the intended recipient, or if you have >>> received this e-mail in error, >>> please contact the sender immediately and delete all copies of this >>> e-mail. If you are not the intended >>> recipient, you must not reproduce any part of this e-mail or disclose >>> its >>> contents to any other party. >>> This email represents the views of the individual sender, which do not >>> necessarily reflect those of >>> education.au limited except where the sender expressly states >>> otherwise. >>> It is your responsibility to scan this email and any files transmitted >>> with it for viruses or any other >>> defects. >>> education.au limited will not be liable for any loss, damage or >>> consequence caused directly or indirectly by this email. >>> >>> >>> >>> *** >>> List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm >>> Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm >>> Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> *** >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > > *** > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *** -- Stuart Foulstone. http://www.bigeasyweb.co.uk BigEasy Web Design 69 Flockton Court Rockingham Street Sheffield S1 4EB Tel. 07751 413451 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Accessible Forms - empty labels (??)
The labels are also clickable to focus on their respective fields so I wouldn't say they are purely accessibility oriented in nature. Stuart Foulstone wrote: Hi, The labels are there for accessibility reasons, if you don't want to design for accessibility, don't pretend to. Stuart On Thu, April 12, 2007 1:55 am, Bojana Lalic wrote: Hi all Accverify fails my code because my input element does not contain the alt attribute or label. I don't want any text displayed before or after the query text input element. Should I wrap a label around the input element and then hide it using css? How do I get around this accessibility issue? Regards Bojana Lalic Web Developer education.au Level 1, 182 Fullarton Road Dulwich, SA 5065 p +61 8 8334 3223 f + 61 8 8334 3211 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w http://www.educationau.edu.au Visit edna at http://www.edna.edu.au Register Now - Everyone has heard of Wikipedia, the online phenomenon of the 21st century, but very few of us know the man behind it. Jimmy Wales is coming to Australia! For further details go to: www.educationau.edu.au/seminar/challenging _ IMPORTANT: This e-mail, including any attachments, may contain private or confidential information. If you think you may not be the intended recipient, or if you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete all copies of this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not reproduce any part of this e-mail or disclose its contents to any other party. This email represents the views of the individual sender, which do not necessarily reflect those of education.au limited except where the sender expressly states otherwise. It is your responsibility to scan this email and any files transmitted with it for viruses or any other defects. education.au limited will not be liable for any loss, damage or consequence caused directly or indirectly by this email. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Accessible Forms - empty labels (??)
Hi, The labels are there for accessibility reasons, if you don't want to design for accessibility, don't pretend to. Stuart On Thu, April 12, 2007 1:55 am, Bojana Lalic wrote: > Hi all > > > > Accverify fails my code because my input element does not contain the > alt attribute or label. > > > > I don't want any text displayed before or after the query text input > element. Should I wrap a label around the input element and then hide it > using css? How do I get around this accessibility issue? > > > > > > alt="Submit search query" /> > > > > Regards > > Bojana Lalic > > Web Developer > > education.au > > Level 1, 182 Fullarton Road > > Dulwich, SA 5065 > > p +61 8 8334 3223 > > f + 61 8 8334 3211 > > e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > w http://www.educationau.edu.au > > Visit edna at http://www.edna.edu.au > > > Register Now - Everyone has heard of Wikipedia, the online phenomenon of > the 21st century, but very few of us know the man behind it. Jimmy Wales > is coming to Australia! > For further details go to: www.educationau.edu.au/seminar/challenging > > > _ > > IMPORTANT: This e-mail, including any attachments, may contain private or > confidential information. > If you think you may not be the intended recipient, or if you have > received this e-mail in error, > please contact the sender immediately and delete all copies of this > e-mail. If you are not the intended > recipient, you must not reproduce any part of this e-mail or disclose its > contents to any other party. > This email represents the views of the individual sender, which do not > necessarily reflect those of > education.au limited except where the sender expressly states otherwise. > It is your responsibility to scan this email and any files transmitted > with it for viruses or any other > defects. > education.au limited will not be liable for any loss, damage or > consequence caused directly or indirectly by this email. > > > > *** > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *** > -- Stuart Foulstone. http://www.bigeasyweb.co.uk BigEasy Web Design 69 Flockton Court Rockingham Street Sheffield S1 4EB Tel. 07751 413451 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Accessible Forms - empty labels (??)
Bojana Lalic wrote:
I don’t want any text displayed before or after the query text input
element. Should I wrap a label around the input element and then hide it
using css? How do I get around this accessibility issue?
Me personally, I setup my form normally using label/input, then apply
absolute positioning to the label if I do not want it to show:
.off, #formId label, .whatever {
position: absolute;
left: -999em;
top: -999em;
}
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[WSG] Accessible Forms - empty labels (??)
Hi all Accverify fails my code because my input element does not contain the alt attribute or label. I don't want any text displayed before or after the query text input element. Should I wrap a label around the input element and then hide it using css? How do I get around this accessibility issue? Regards Bojana Lalic Web Developer education.au Level 1, 182 Fullarton Road Dulwich, SA 5065 p +61 8 8334 3223 f + 61 8 8334 3211 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w http://www.educationau.edu.au Visit edna at http://www.edna.edu.au Register Now - Everyone has heard of Wikipedia, the online phenomenon of the 21st century, but very few of us know the man behind it. Jimmy Wales is coming to Australia! For further details go to: www.educationau.edu.au/seminar/challenging _ IMPORTANT: This e-mail, including any attachments, may contain private or confidential information. If you think you may not be the intended recipient, or if you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete all copies of this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not reproduce any part of this e-mail or disclose its contents to any other party. This email represents the views of the individual sender, which do not necessarily reflect those of education.au limited except where the sender expressly states otherwise. It is your responsibility to scan this email and any files transmitted with it for viruses or any other defects. education.au limited will not be liable for any loss, damage or consequence caused directly or indirectly by this email. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
