Re: [WSG] firefox 3 beta5
On 2008/05/21 07:43 (GMT+1000) Korny Sietsma apparently typed: > Sorry, I didn't mean "if I had FF3 running" - I had it *installed* but not > running. And maybe I could have made it work, but I was under time > pressure. I just installed FF2 through Ubuntu's standard "apt" system, and > I'd hoped that it would be configured to install it completely > independently. > When I have more time I'll try again - but running a beta browser, with an > alpha of FireBug, I wasn't really very surprised to have stability issues. > Maybe I should have been. With Linux distros, except in unusual circumstances, and assuming more than one version exists to choose from, you have to choose only one version of an application to install through the package management system. Other versions must be installed outside the normal package management system. With Mozilla products, it's usually best to install the stable version via package management, then use bzip or whatever is required of the available development or pre-release version in question to place in your $HOME tree or /usr/local tree. If you had a problem installing a mozilla.org build, odds are you didn't have proper deps installed, probably the compat libstdc++5 library, or whatever the Debian system calls it, or a new enough pango. Another option if you want FF3 as your main (via package management) but to keep FF2 for testing is to use Epiphany in lieu of FF2. Plans have been made to switch Epiphany from Gecko to Webkit, but I don't think that will happen before FF2 has had time to nearly die. Oh, and FF3rc1 was out 3 days ago. If Debian sources now have the v3rc available, it may be time to think about instead making it your normal, and installing the mozilla.org release of FF 2.0.0.14 in $HOME or /usr/local. -- ". . . . in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you . . . ." Matthew 7:12 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] firefox 3 beta5
Sorry, I didn't mean "if I had FF3 running" - I had it *installed* but not running. And maybe I could have made it work, but I was under time pressure. I just installed FF2 through Ubuntu's standard "apt" system, and I'd hoped that it would be configured to install it completely independently. When I have more time I'll try again - but running a beta browser, with an alpha of FireBug, I wasn't really very surprised to have stability issues. Maybe I should have been. As for vmware - I guess I'm used to it, I already use vmware to test different versions of ie, so adding Firefox to one of them isn't a biggie. - Korny On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 7:02 PM, Felix Miata <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 2008/05/20 18:27 (GMT+1000) Korny Sietsma apparently typed: > >> I have had problems running FF2 on a machine also running FF3 - >> specifically, and fatally for me, FireBug wouldn't install cleanly in >> FF2 if I had FF3 running. > > Did you ever think to try closing the other long enough to get it to install? > Have you been trying to use the same profile for multiple versions? Have you > tried virgin profiles? Visit irc://moznet/#firefox or > irc://moznet/#mozillazine or irc://moznet/#seamonkey and people who know what > it takes will help you get it going. > >> I'd load FF3 in a vmware image, or maybe test it with an Ubuntu 8.04 live CD. > > Absolutely unnecessary gross overkill. > >> Release Candidate 1 is out now, so hopefully things will get more >> stable when Ubuntu picks it up, but at the moment it's a world of pain >> - at least for my configuration! > > I've been running various flavors of alpha & beta Gecko products simultaneous > with release versions of same cross-platform (Linux, OS/2 & Win; adding OS X > recently) for over 7 years. If you can't get it to work routinely, you're not > correctly following directions, or have a general system problem. Using > multiple versions does require the MOZ_NO_REMOTE=1 environment variable, or > equivalent command line option, plus multiple profiles. > > Realize that SeaMonkey and Firefox are just different faces on the same > rendering engine, so you can take the easy way out and just run the devel > version of one and the release version of the other if following the multiple > version instructions is somehow not doable for you. > -- > ". . . . in everything, do to others what you would > have them do to you . . . ." Matthew 7:12 NIV > > Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 > > Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ > > > *** > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *** > > -- Kornelis Sietsma korny at my surname dot com kornys at gmail dot com on google chat -- kornys on skype "we do what we must, because we can" *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] firefox 3 beta5
On 2008/05/20 18:27 (GMT+1000) Korny Sietsma apparently typed: > I have had problems running FF2 on a machine also running FF3 - > specifically, and fatally for me, FireBug wouldn't install cleanly in > FF2 if I had FF3 running. Did you ever think to try closing the other long enough to get it to install? Have you been trying to use the same profile for multiple versions? Have you tried virgin profiles? Visit irc://moznet/#firefox or irc://moznet/#mozillazine or irc://moznet/#seamonkey and people who know what it takes will help you get it going. > I'd load FF3 in a vmware image, or maybe test it with an Ubuntu 8.04 live CD. Absolutely unnecessary gross overkill. > Release Candidate 1 is out now, so hopefully things will get more > stable when Ubuntu picks it up, but at the moment it's a world of pain > - at least for my configuration! I've been running various flavors of alpha & beta Gecko products simultaneous with release versions of same cross-platform (Linux, OS/2 & Win; adding OS X recently) for over 7 years. If you can't get it to work routinely, you're not correctly following directions, or have a general system problem. Using multiple versions does require the MOZ_NO_REMOTE=1 environment variable, or equivalent command line option, plus multiple profiles. Realize that SeaMonkey and Firefox are just different faces on the same rendering engine, so you can take the easy way out and just run the devel version of one and the release version of the other if following the multiple version instructions is somehow not doable for you. -- ". . . . in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you . . . ." Matthew 7:12 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] firefox 3 beta5
> Korny Sietsma > Release Candidate 1 is out now, so hopefully things will get more > stable when Ubuntu picks it up, but at the moment it's a world of pain > - at least for my configuration! Beta5 and RC1 have been rock-solid on my systems (WinXP). And, as far as I understand, RC1 is fairly feature complete (with regards to its rendering engine), unless some major howlers are reported in the next few weeks. From experience, the majority of instability / weird behaviour in these situations comes from reuse of an old profile...when jumping to a major new version, I'd always advise to start with a completely fresh profile to avoid any incompatibilities. P Patrick H. Lauke Web Editor Enterprise & Development University of Salford Room 113, Faraday House Salford, Greater Manchester M5 4WT UK T +44 (0) 161 295 4779 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.salford.ac.uk A GREATER MANCHESTER UNIVERSITY *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] firefox 3 beta5
I have had problems running FF2 on a machine also running FF3 - specifically, and fatally for me, FireBug wouldn't install cleanly in FF2 if I had FF3 running. I'd load FF3 in a vmware image, or maybe test it with an Ubuntu 8.04 live CD. Note that beta 5 at least is still rather unstable. I've managed to crash it semi-regularly - somewhere the combination of Gmail, Campfire, and Firebug (I have to run an alpha of Firebug to get FF3 support) makes the browser die. I'm not sure which of these is the actual culprit, or if it's some combination, but clicking on a folder in gmail, sometimes, kills the browser; and firebug itself often goes into la-la land. Release Candidate 1 is out now, so hopefully things will get more stable when Ubuntu picks it up, but at the moment it's a world of pain - at least for my configuration! - Korny On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 1:50 PM, Felix Miata <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 2008/05/20 15:13 (GMT+1200) Paul Bennett apparently typed: > >> Ack! >> Anyone else had horrible problems installing FF3? > > No, but ... > >> My install crashes every time I open it, so I had to reinstall FF2.. > > I avoid "installing" applications whenever possible. In the case of > unreleased Gecko products, it's more than just possible, it's often > preferable. > > Get yourself an archive build instead of an installer build from > http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/latest-trunk/ and see > if you have better luck. > > There's no reason you can't have both on the same machine at the same time, > though an extra step or three are required to enable using both at the same > time, and you're probably better off not using a profile previously used with > FF3 to use with FF2. > -- > ". . . . in everything, do to others what you would > have them do to you . . . ." Matthew 7:12 NIV > > Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 > > Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ > > > *** > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *** > > -- Kornelis Sietsma korny at my surname dot com kornys at gmail dot com on google chat -- kornys on skype "we do what we must, because we can" *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] firefox 3 beta5
On 2008/05/20 15:13 (GMT+1200) Paul Bennett apparently typed: > Ack! > Anyone else had horrible problems installing FF3? No, but ... > My install crashes every time I open it, so I had to reinstall FF2.. I avoid "installing" applications whenever possible. In the case of unreleased Gecko products, it's more than just possible, it's often preferable. Get yourself an archive build instead of an installer build from http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/latest-trunk/ and see if you have better luck. There's no reason you can't have both on the same machine at the same time, though an extra step or three are required to enable using both at the same time, and you're probably better off not using a profile previously used with FF3 to use with FF2. -- ". . . . in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you . . . ." Matthew 7:12 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] firefox 3 beta5
Ack! Anyone else had horrible problems installing FF3? My install crashes every time I open it, so I had to reinstall FF2.. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] firefox 3 beta5
If its a Beta I would say wait until its done before rewriting anything that is currently W3C CSS compliant. Remember beta means not done. If you are interested in judging beta releases test it an decide why its breaking. Are you currently fulfilling W3C standards. If you are and its breaking it would sound like the beta has a bug than your code having a bug. Does your site pass the validator. It does look like they are expecting the final release in June The Mozilla team has not specified a final ship date for Firefox 3 but sources in the linux distribution community say they were promised final copies in June. http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=2450 The project site http://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox3 Here are the release notes http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/3.0rc1/releasenotes/ Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 David Dorward wrote: On 19 May 2008, at 10:37, kevin mcmonagle wrote: Recently it was pointed out to me that a site I built is breaking in firefox 3 beta five. How close is this to release? RC1 just came out Do i need to worry about this? the site works fine in current browsers-firefox and otherwise. I'd be concerned. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] firefox 3 beta5
On 19 May 2008, at 10:37, kevin mcmonagle wrote: Recently it was pointed out to me that a site I built is breaking in firefox 3 beta five. How close is this to release? RC1 just came out Do i need to worry about this? the site works fine in current browsers-firefox and otherwise. I'd be concerned. -- David Dorward http://dorward.me.uk/ http://blog.dorward.me.uk/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] firefox 3 beta5
Recently it was pointed out to me that a site I built is breaking in firefox 3 beta five. How close is this to release? Do i need to worry about this? the site works fine in current browsers-firefox and otherwise. -thanks in advance kevin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
