[WSG] Lines on top - anyone see why?

2004-05-18 Thread Michael Kear
Ive added a specials box to my auslegs site using that cute round-corner technique we read about on this list a few days ago. (Mountaintop Corners : http://www.alistapart.com/articles/mountaintop/) Im really pleased with how it works and how good it looks. Except for one page. Can

[WSG] [OT] UniversalHead blog

2004-05-18 Thread Universal Head
OT I know, but then it is web standards savvy, thanks to Todd Dominey's original template (though I've modified the graphics quite a bit): http://www.headlesshollow.com No doubt you all know about the web standards friendly relaunch of Blogger: http://www.blogger.com - which has now made the

Re: [WSG] [OT] UniversalHead blog (Out of office)

2004-05-18 Thread Leon Wild
Sorry, I'm away Wed for personal leave and Thurs AM for study. I will read your email when I return. For any urgent Intranet queries or assistance please contact Marion Haworth on 02 9230 8542 or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Many thanks, Leon Wild. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/18/04 17:28 OT I know, but then

Re: [WSG] [OT] UniversalHead blog

2004-05-18 Thread Hugh Todd
Pete, Can you modify blog templates (on Blogger) to your heart's content? -Hugh No doubt you all know about the web standards friendly relaunch of Blogger: http://www.blogger.com - which has now made the whole set up process so simple I thought I'd finally launch a blog like everybody else.

[WSG] What am I doing wrong with the CSS here

2004-05-18 Thread theGrafixGuy
I am getting different positions in IE and in Mozilla and now that I have added in a scrolling division, everything has gone wacky??? This is trying to be a completely standards and accessibility compliant site and I keep screwing up somewhere in my CSS for both the intro page and the

RE: [WSG] [OT] UniversalHead blog (Out of office)

2004-05-18 Thread theGrafixGuy
Can't we do SOMETHING about these Out of office replies? Sheesh! Brian Grimmer theGrafixGuy http://www.thegrafixguy.com 503-887-4943 925-226-4085 (fax) This reply to your initial e-mail is sent in accordance with the US CAN-SPAM Law in effect 01/01/2004. Removal requests can be sent to this

Re: [WSG] [OT] UniversalHead blog

2004-05-18 Thread Universal Head
Sorry everybody I jumped the gun - it will take several days for this new URL to be recognised worldwide, so you'll probably get a coming soon page for a while - my apologies. Peter x-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerUniversal Head  Design That Works. 7/43 Bridge Rd Stanmore NSW 2048 Australia T (+612)

Re: [WSG] [OT] UniversalHead blog (Out of office)

2004-05-18 Thread Neerav
Making a mail filter similar to this: IF Subject contains : out of office AND Subject contains : [WSG] MOVE TO Trash Works fine for me -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy theGrafixGuy wrote: Can't we do SOMETHING about these Out of office replies? Sheesh! Brian

Re: [WSG] [OT] UniversalHead blog

2004-05-18 Thread Universal Head
Yes, which is very handy. I know the basic layout is stable and tested and done professionally so it's an excellent start to making your own design. Hopefully after tinkering with it for a while virtually nothing of the original template will remain, but it got me up and running very quickly and

Re: [WSG] What am I doing wrong with the CSS here

2004-05-18 Thread Mark Stanton
Hi Brian I've checked your site in both IE Firebird and have run it through the CSS HTML validators (one HTML page fails), but I still can't see the problem. Descriptions such as everything has gone wacky, things to display completely differently and broken something somewhere are not really

[WSG] FireFox not playing with Height:Auto

2004-05-18 Thread Mark Harwood
Good morning People, Im Just having a mess around on a site, but for sum reason Firefox does not want to work with height:auto on a div that needs to strecth the one it's contained in. I rember someone tellin me before about a tecnique with clear:all that would make the content below where it

Re: [WSG] [OT] UniversalHead blog

2004-05-18 Thread Mark Stanton
Hey Guys All I get is an advertising page. Looks as though your domain name registration hasn't taken yet. You should be able to set up your own local DNS entry to do the job in the interim i, all we need is the IP address from Peter a text editor. 1) Find a file on your computer called

Re: [WSG] Validity! (was EMBED tag)

2004-05-18 Thread Curtis
Sorry for coming into this thread way late but felt as though I needed to add my 2 cents. 1. I completely agree with Peter, cheating the validator is just that... cheating. A page that squeaks by the validator by writing invalid code at runtime is no more valid than a page that has invalid

RE: [WSG] What am I doing wrong with the CSS here

2004-05-18 Thread theGrafixGuy
Mark, Thanks for the tip there! Okay in Moz everything on the MAIN page http://www.mosincorporated.com/site2/main.php is okay except for the white field with the scrollbars - this div expands pit about 8 pixels further than it should - the white of the menu side should be used as a guide as to

[WSG] XHTML v HTML (also a question about GoLive)

2004-05-18 Thread Mordechai Peller
A potential client asked me: How does a xhtml site differ from an html site and will I be able to make modifications myself using a program such as Adobe Golive which creates html pages? It's the second half of the question with which I'm having a problem since I have no experience with

[WSG] javascript form submission

2004-05-18 Thread Todini, Gianfranco (TWIi London)
Hi, This is my first post on this list and I'd like to say that I find it really really useful and intersting! I need to do some changes on a website to improve accessibility and one of the issue that I need to solve is the way the form are submitted, which is done by a javascript function called

Re: [WSG] FireFox not playing with Height:Auto

2004-05-18 Thread Chris Stratford
Hey, there is no CLEAR: ALL method... http://www.w3schools.com/css/pr_class_clear.asp I think you mean: CLEAR: BOTH... Mark Harwood WebMail wrote: Good morning People, Im Just having a mess around on a site, but for sum reason Firefox does not want to work with height:auto on a

Re: [WSG] XHTML v HTML (also a question about GoLive)

2004-05-18 Thread Neerav
No idea about Adobe Golive but Dreamweaver MX 2004 ver 7.01 can be set to output XHTML compliant code. -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy Mordechai Peller wrote: A potential client asked me: How does a xhtml site differ from an html site and will I be able to

Re: [WSG] FireFox not playing with Height:Auto

2004-05-18 Thread Mark Harwood
D'oh! Thats the badger! Clear:Both not clear:all... Sorry brain dead moment On Tue, 18 May 2004 20:39 , Chris Stratford [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: Hey, there is no CLEAR: ALL method... http://www.w3schools.com/css/pr_class_clear.asp I think you mean: CLEAR: BOTH... Mark Harwood WebMail

Re: [WSG] javascript form submission

2004-05-18 Thread Mordechai Peller
Todini, Gianfranco (TWIi London) wrote: where should I put now the form validation? I mean can I still use the onsubmit event on the input type image and use the same _javascript_ function that there was before or is it everytime better to have the validation on the server-side to have a

Re: [WSG] javascript form submission

2004-05-18 Thread James Ellis
Hi Todino Welcome to the list. Yes, it is far better to do validation on the server side because, with JS turned off, you don't get any form validation. Regarding the button to do the job, an input type=submit or input type=image will do the job for you. Remember: 1. When you submit an image

Re: [WSG] javascript form submission

2004-05-18 Thread Lea de Groot
On Tue, 18 May 2004 11:20:48 +0100, Todini, Gianfranco (TWIi London) wrote: I need to do some changes on a website to improve accessibility and one of the issue that I need to solve is the way the form are submitted, which is done by a javascript function called from the onclick event on an

Re: [WSG] javascript form submission

2004-05-18 Thread Cameron Adams
Ideal situation is to have an onload in the form tag, to allow for quick checking of the form without the user having to submit to the server. However, you always need server-side validation, as anyone without javascript will be always be able to circumvent your client-side form checking.

Re: [WSG] javascript form submission

2004-05-18 Thread Ned Lukies
I come from a programming rather than a design background, so my opinion may not be the correct one as far as accessability is concerned. In most of my web sites, when a user submits form data, that data is usually processed and stored in some kind of database. I believe that it is good

[WSG] Re: javascript form submission

2004-05-18 Thread Alan Milnes
I'm going to add an input type=image button which will do the job but, where should I put now the form validation? I mean can I still use the onsubmit event on the input type image and use the same javascript function that there was before or is it everytime better to have the validation on

Re: [WSG] javascript form submission

2004-05-18 Thread Aaron DC
Moving on, as I am generally very lazy when coding, I don't really see the point in validating the data on the client, if it has to be validated on the server. I guess you could claim that javascript is quicker to highlight errors in the form. I have always found a stream of javascript alerts

Re: [WSG] [OT] UniversalHead blog (Out of office)

2004-05-18 Thread Darian Cabot
so how'd you get this thread? hehe sorry. thanks for the tip, I'm setting it up now (so I won't hear your reply to my smart-ass comment I guess) ;) Neerav wrote: Making a mail filter similar to this: IF Subject contains : out of office AND Subject contains : [WSG] MOVE TO Trash Works fine for me

Re: [WSG] What am I doing wrong with the CSS here

2004-05-18 Thread Mark Stanton
Hey Brian Okay in Moz everything on the MAIN page http://www.mosincorporated.com/site2/main.php is okay except for the white field with the scrollbars - this div expands pit about 8 pixels further than it should - the white of the menu side should be used as a guide as to what this side

Re: [WSG] javascript form submission

2004-05-18 Thread Mordechai Peller
Ned Lukies wrote: I come from a programming rather than a design background, so my opinion may not be the correct one as far as accessability is concerned. Since the issue is data validity, programming is what's important. That said, something I find even more annoying is a large form that is

RE: [WSG] javascript form submission

2004-05-18 Thread Nancy Johnson
Dear All, This is a side track to this thread: I have always used .asp for form submission, but I want to find a javascript and/or php versions of form submissions in case I have to do a site that does not have a windows based server. I am also weak with javascript and no nothing about php.

RE: [WSG] javascript form submission

2004-05-18 Thread Chatham, Will
Don't know if this helps or not, but I stumbled across a standard-compliant, server-side form validation tool caleld VDAEMON (http://www.x-code.com/vdaemon_web_form_validation.php) that has so far worked great for me. There is a free version for download, or you can buy the Dreamweaver extension

RE: [WSG] javascript form submission

2004-05-18 Thread Todini, Gianfranco (TWIi London)
Thanks for your advises, I'm definetly going to develop a server side validation functionality. I think a client side validation is still useful even when there is a server side validation as it permits to avoid a lot of traffic/requests to the server; I'm gonna fix my forms in this way. Here is

[WSG] Re: javascript form submission

2004-05-18 Thread Alan Milnes
I am also weak with javascript and no nothing about php. Can you point me to some good URLS and/or books that could help me out? Try http://www.phpfreaks.com to get you started. Alan * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/

Re: [WSG] javascript form submission

2004-05-18 Thread Mordechai Peller
Nancy Johnson wrote: Dear All, This is a side track to this thread: I have always used .asp for form submission, but I want to find a _javascript_ and/or php versions of form submissions in case I have to do a site that does not have a windows based server. I think PHP is the way to

RE: [WSG] Tables are dead?

2004-05-18 Thread Bert Doorn
Thanks for all the help, people. Unfortunately none of the examples given solve the basic problem, which is that with anything other than tables, I cannot get multiple boxes across the screen that have the same height on every row, without specifying a fixed height. Mike's example

Re: [WSG] javascript form submission

2004-05-18 Thread Mordechai Peller
Ned Lukies wrote: I guess you could claim that javascript is quicker to highlight errors in the form. I have always found a stream of javascript alerts when submitting a form to be quite annoying. Only one alert, at most, is useful (one could argue zero is better). Beyond that, there are two

RE: [WSG] PHP is OT (was: javascript form submission)

2004-05-18 Thread Peter Firminger
That'll do for the PHP stuff now thanks folks. There are plenty of resources available online. Use google to locate them. Something like http://www.google.com/search?q=php+form+validation P * The discussion list for

RE: [WSG] PHP is OT (was: javascript form submission) (Out of office)

2004-05-18 Thread Leon Wild
Sorry, I'm away Wed for personal leave and Thurs AM for study. I will read your email when I return. For any urgent Intranet queries or assistance please contact Marion Haworth on 02 9230 8542 or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Many thanks, Leon Wild. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/19/04 00:16 That'll do for the

RE: [WSG] Tables are dead?

2004-05-18 Thread Mike Pepper
It's the height aspect that's the bugger. One way to achieve this may be to use a CSS background image to force a minimum height. Make if a few bytes 2-colour (transparent) gif. Then explain to the client that Tolstoy is a great read if you've got the time and impose a maximum character limit

RE: [WSG] XHTML/HTML

2004-05-18 Thread Allan Jensen
If you use ! DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.1//EN http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml11/DTD/xhtml11.dtd; html *** XHTML 1.1 *** And remember close your code br br/ or br/ then you should not have any problem. XHTML strict see more http://www.w3c.org and all code you make should be in

[WSG] Lines on top - anyone see why?

2004-05-18 Thread Michael Kear
Second try I didnt see anyone post about this yesterday everyone was too busy debating PHP and _javascript_ instead. Perhaps today then .. Ive added a specials box to my auslegs site using that cute round-corner technique we read about on this list a few days ago. (Mountaintop

Re: [WSG] back to basics

2004-05-18 Thread Rev. Bob 'Bob' Crispen
The voices are telling me that James Ellis said on 5/18/2004 6:06 AM: I have a feeling apos; won't work in IE for Windows. I've used #039; everywhere with success. Right you are. You can tell how often I fire MSIE up on this box. Slap an XML header on it, rename it foo.xml, and MSIE renders it

Re: [WSG] Lines on top - anyone see why?

2004-05-18 Thread Darian Cabot
G'day, it looks fine to me. FF0.8, Win98SE, 1280x1024. Something I found (not related to this problem) is with the vertical menu on the products page. The text needs i little more padding on the left as it's overlapping the grey bullets, no biggy. Site displayed fine apart from that. I haven't

Re: [WSG] Lines on top - anyone see why?

2004-05-18 Thread raineym
Internet Explorer sucks at rendering floats correctly. It looks fine in Mozilla/Firefox. I had the same problem a few weeks back when starting to redesigning my blog and I specified widths in percentages for the floated element and the elements that were to wrap around the floated element and

RE: [WSG] back to basics

2004-05-18 Thread Mike Pepper
Naughty, Bob, you just stuck it into quirks mode. I presume you mean the xml prelude? Mike Pepper Accessible (but happy cuz the Mrs let him off the leash tonight) Web Developer www.seowebsitepromotion.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of

[WSG] 'It Works in Gecko Browsers ...'

2004-05-18 Thread Mike Pepper
So what, If it doesn't work in IE and its many flavours you are doing zilch for your client and your usability, let alone accessibility. Explorer is used by 94% of the Internet browsing world. I run my own stats; in fact I write my own log analysis software because I need to monitor trends and

Re: [WSG] XHTML v HTML (also a question about GoLive)

2004-05-18 Thread Hugh Todd
Mordechai, I think the XHTML/HTML issue has been canvassed by more knowledgeable members in the past on this list, with some advocating for the use of HTML 4.01 for reasons you may like to search in the archives. (Look particularly for posts by Peter Firminger.) That said, you are probably

RE: [WSG] 'It Works in Gecko Browsers ...'

2004-05-18 Thread Craig Stump
This has been discussed ad-nauseum - it is fairly well documented that one of the easiest and most efficient ways to build a website is to _start_ in a standards compliant browsers, then once you're almost done, test in IE. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: [WSG] Extra border/padding on a checkbox

2004-05-18 Thread Gary Menzel
I am trying to get rid of the extra border/ padding on a checkbox in an IE browser. A checkbox is a UI element and, as such, is under the control of the Browser (and/or operating system) to render. It isn't under the control of CSS/HTML. A checkbox on a Mac will probably look different to one

RE: [WSG] Lines on top - anyone see why?

2004-05-18 Thread Michael Kear
I should have been a little more specific. Sorry . It looks fine in Firefox to me too. However the client looks at his site in IE6, and that's where the problem manifests itself. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com -Original Message-

RE: [WSG] 'It Works in Gecko Browsers ...'

2004-05-18 Thread Mike Pepper
This has been discussed ad-nauseum - it is fairly well documented that one of the easiest and most efficient ways to build a website is to _start_ in a standards compliant browsers, then once you're almost done, test in IE. I may suggest you tip that on it's head. Dead serious. I build in IE

Re: [WSG] 'It Works in Gecko Browsers ...'

2004-05-18 Thread John Allsopp
Mike, I may suggest you tip that on it's head. Dead serious. I build in IE then ensure I adjust accordingly. I know ahat will happen in the Geckos. Here is why that might not be an ideal solution. Unless you are exceedingly careful, you may well have something that works in IE because of bugs in

Re: [WSG] javascript form submission

2004-05-18 Thread wsg
If you are an ASP coder and want to move to Linux then why not use ASP.NET? It will be a much easier learning curve than PHP. FYI: Many ASP.NET pages run on Mono [C# compiler for Linux] including web services, and many DotNet apps run without modification. The Mono website is

Re: [WSG] back to basics

2004-05-18 Thread wsg
Excuse me for possibly subtracting from the sum of human knowledge, but I don't recall reading in the original problem statement that it had to be a *semantic* single quote, which means the entity apos; would do just fine. My apologies, I presumed that Justin had already checked the existing

RE: [WSG] [OT] UniversalHead blog

2004-05-18 Thread ByteDreams
You could use free bannerless place temporarily if you like http://www.xaxax.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Universal Head Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 3:29 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] [OT] UniversalHead blog Sorry

Re: [WSG] 'It Works in Gecko Browsers ...'

2004-05-18 Thread Justin French
On 19/05/2004, at 10:49 AM, Mike Pepper wrote: I may suggest you tip that on it's head. Dead serious. I build in IE then ensure I adjust accordingly. I know ahat will happen in the Geckos. If you start with IE then patch to Mozilla et al, then your thinking is too near-sighted. The standards

Re: [WSG] hiding styles from Mac IE5 : fixed

2004-05-18 Thread James Ellis
Hi all The suggestions all worked, didn't affect other browsers. For future reference if anyone is interested in supporting this agent: *used the \*/ hack - very good although it bloats the CSS *added some fixed widths on floats *killed text-align : inherit and letter-spacing : -0.1px in the

RE: [WSG] Lines on top - anyone see why?

2004-05-18 Thread Michael Kear
Thanks anyway. I guess no one has any ideas how I can make the lines go underneath the floated box on my page in IE. I don't suppose it's impossible? Surely not. I can't use percentages in the float because it has to be fixed 130px width, because of the graphics creating the round corners. I

Re: [WSG] Lines on top - anyone see why?

2004-05-18 Thread martin janner
Michael Kear skrev: Thanks anyway. I guess no one has any ideas how I can make the lines go underneath the floated box on my page in IE. Try position:relative; on the floated box(#heading) / m a r t i n -- http://visitkortet.com * The