From: Jon Tan
I think that for any agent the semantic way to separate
address lines would
be using a comma at the end of each line as appropriate,
which regardless of
what mark-up was used would be interpreted correctly by
screen readers.
Doesn't this also apply to non-CSS agents
Richard Czeiger wrote:
Umm actually you do..
Check out www.courtappearances.com.au to see what I'm talking about.
Here's the CSS for that:
http://www.courtappearances.com.au/styles/style.css
As soon as I read ...you do I knew what hook you were using ;)
It's *very* nice ;)
Thierry |
On 10/10/05 3:38 PM, Christian Montoya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Read this aloud:
909 anystreet
ithaca, new york
Did you stop at the line break? Did it matter? My point is that we don't need
to make the line break obvious to the screen reader.
For this address it doesn't matter, but for
Usually when telling someone an address your giving it to them as
information which they either have to write down or type in. The pause
is usually to let them write it down before you go any further.
I wonder if there is a way to make the screen reader say what you want
it to say for
Hi,
is there any good reviews of Dreamweaver 8 and web standards? do you
recommend using it to achieve standards compliant sites?
any advantages/disadvantages?
Thanks in advance.
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Jad madi
Blog
http://EasyHTTP.com/jad/
Web standards Planet
http://W3planet.net/
Jad Madi
is there any good reviews of Dreamweaver 8 and web standards? do you
recommend using it to achieve standards compliant sites?
any advantages/disadvantages?
Apparently it's quite good. I'd recommend having a look at
http://www.sitepoint.com/article/dreamweaver-8-standards
(and the
I know we live in commercial, capitalist times ;) ... however, I cannot
agree that a company logo is page content (that warrants a presence in the
HTML) in the true sense:
a logo is essentially 'indexical': it depends for its meaning upon some
other entity (the company) and the context within
Townson, Chris
b) You always have a sensible H1 for which all H2s are
genuine subheadings.
and what, h1img src=logo.jpg alt=Company name //h1
is not genuine?
Patrick
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Webmaster / University of Salford
Russ wrote:
Derek Featherstone has posted his accessibility presentation from WE05 at a
new site - Simply Accessible
http://simplyaccessible.org/
I've just gotta say... this is fantastic. As someone to whom the podcasts are
pretty much inaccessible (because I am stuck with dial-up and also I
Chris Townson wrote:
b) You always have a sensible H1 for which all H2s are genuine
subheadings.
Patrick H. Lauke wrote
and what, h1img src=logo.jpg alt=Company name //h1 is not
genuine?
Semantically, I would say: No, its not
This would be due to the point about indexicality I mentioned.
From: James Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
One of the functions of this list and group is to implement best
practices
using W3C standards based development. These conditionals you talk
about are
a Microsoft addition to workaround bugs in their software (what
happened to
fixing the bugs?), like
Townson, Chris
This would be due to the point about indexicality I mentioned.
This would be the point where I'd say the whole discussion on semantics
risks disappearing up it own behind...no offense.
You want to do web design, eh? Well, get onto the semiotics and linguistics
course for the
James,
I can see where you're coming from, and I'm all for the programming
purity you're advocating, but I want to stick my hand up in support of
Thierry's position here. In fact, I was in the process of assembling
all these filters myself when he posted his link to this list, so I'm
Hi,
I'm starting a new website and have a border-bottom style on the
a:hover menu links. It works perfectly in Safari but doesn't show up at
all in MSIE on the PC. Would a kind person take a look and tell me
where I'm going wrong?
The page is at www.zebragraphics.co.uk/porge, css at
This would be due to the point about indexicality I mentioned.
This would be the point where I'd say the whole discussion on semantics
risks disappearing up it own behind...no offense.
none taken :D
You want to do web design, eh? Well, get onto the semiotics and
linguistics course for the
...
QED: Use image replacement for logos (over h1 heading) where possible!
...
I'd say, where necessary...
I gradually arrived at this: Logo is important visual/id/navigation
element of the page, so
I have it in the html as IMG.
It is not header of any kind (imho, no need to argue), so it is
You need to change your navlist a as follows
#navlist a {
text-align: left;
margin-right: 10px;
display:block;
float:left;
}
Graham Cook
UA Oz
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Mary Wright
Sent: Monday, 10 October 2005 11:41 PM
To:
As an avid user of Dreamweaver everyday, I can tell you that Dreamweaver
is great for compliant sites. It has a lot of built in tools like a
validator that validates to the spec of your current DTD. Also closes
tags according to the dtd chosen. It has not only xhtml validator but
also 508
Townson, Chris
I agree with your point here completely. However, in
pragmatic (;)) terms,
with current technology, text is just the only solution which conveys
meaning to _all_ users (not just those using graphical
browsers on a desktop
PC)
The only problem with having an image of a
Thanks for your help, Graham. The border-bottom rules appear now, but
the logo has disappeared and the banner image jumps when I mouse over
the links.
Any ideas?
Mary
On 10 Oct 2005, at 15:23, Graham Cook wrote:
You need to change your navlist a as follows
#navlist a {
text-align: left;
Ah, the logo has appeared again now. Image is still jumping, tho'.
Mary
On 10 Oct 2005, at 15:23, Graham Cook wrote:
You need to change your navlist a as follows
#navlist a {
text-align: left;
margin-right: 10px;
display:block;
float:left;
}
Graham Cook
UA Oz
-Original
Mary
Do you have a border on the a:link element? I think the bouncing is
because all the link styles should have bottom border (even if the color
is transparent) although a pale gray would look nice, which goes darker
on rollover.
#navlist a
{
text-align: left;
margin-right:
Rimantas Liubertas wrote:
H1, which is spared
for more appropriate usage — i.e. main header of the page - About
us, Products, etc.
So, wich tag would you use to put your company/site name if you use H1
to mark-up the section name?
OK. the site name can be in the title tag, but I think
adam reitsma wrote:
oh dear
is it just me, or does this TIP method seem like the modern-day
version of the spacer gif?
There is more to the spacer image...
About the hook:
An image element can be printed (good thing for a logo) and can even scale.
About hiding the text:
Unlike Richard's
Nice! I wish I had thought of scaling screenshots to percent width, it looks better and would have saved me a lot of trouble.When I view the site using Safari it briefly renders the unstyled page. I haven't noticed this behavior before. Perhaps it's the @import?Steve Ferguson -
Buddy Quaid said:
As an avid user of Dreamweaver everyday, I can tell you that Dreamweaver
is great for compliant sites. It has a lot of built in tools like a
validator that validates to the spec of your current DTD.
Are you talking about DW8? DWMX 2004 does not validate HTML 4, it uses
it's
Vicki Berry said:
I've just gotta say... this is fantastic.
Derek, can you update your examoples to use fieldsets instead of divs to
group the form controls together?
kind regards
Terrence Wood.
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Hi All
Sorry about this off-topic post and you
can certainly reply off line to me at [EMAIL PROTECTED].
I am behind the learning curve with RSS
aggregators and would like to know if someone could recommend a good desktop
RSS application that would also tie in with ipod or cell phones
On 10/11/05, Terrence Wood wrote:
Derek, can you update your examoples to use fieldsets instead of divs
to group the form controls together?
I do use fieldsets to group form controls together but in most cases,
there is one fieldset around all the items in one form - the divs are
there to
Derek Featherstone said:
the divs are there to provide additional style hooks[...] to
create rows without using tables.
You have not misinterpeted what I was saying, sorry my email is a little
terse today.I would've have emailed you off-list but couldn't find your
email anywhere (within my 3
Hi Terrance
A fieldset should contain a set of similar inputs, such as the users
personal information, a fieldset for creditcard information, shipping
address, etc. It would defeat the coordinating purpose to use a fieldset
randomly to create rows or columns.
That said, you could set a width
On 10/10/05, Steve Ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Nice! I wish I had thought of scaling screenshots to percent width, it looks better and would have saved me a lot of trouble.
When I view the site using Safari it briefly renders the unstyled page. I haven't noticed this behavior before. Perhaps
FOUC?
an empty script tag will do it, ie:
script type=text/javascript/script
(after the styles are imported / included iirc...)
Paul
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Drake, Ted C. said:
A fieldset should contain a set of similar inputs[...] It would defeat
the coordinating purpose to use a fieldset randomly to create rows or
columns.
Agreed, you are absolutely correct. Doh! I didn't acutally check the
source code, no wonder my earlier post was confusing.
Terrence Wood wrote:
If anyone *is* interested in replicating Dereks layout without the
extra div's try this:
label for=unameUsername
emmust not contain spaces/em
input id=uname type=text name=uname value= /
/label
I'd prefer to go with explicit labeling rather than implicit labeling, but
On 10/11/05, Terrence Wood wrote:
Agreed, you are absolutely correct. Doh! I didn't acutally check the
source code, no wonder my earlier post was confusing. Sorry Derek.
No worries...
If anyone *is* interested in replicating Dereks layout without the
extra div's try this:
snip /
for what
On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 19:45:07 -0400, Christian Montoya wrote:
Sounds like FOUC. I'll try to fix that... eventually. Thanks.
Well, if you succeed, do publicise it!
I haven't yet managed to kill the Safari FOUC :(
warmly,
Lea
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Lea de Groot
Elysian Systems - http://elysiansystems.com/
Brisbane,
Zach Inglis wrote:
I wanted to know your opinion on my post http://www.zachinglis.com/
websites/website/before-sliding-doors/.
Interesting.
I've been playing with :after lately, although not for anything serious.
I've had some problems with positioning in Gecko. Opera is doing fine.
Would be
One of my sites is triggering a bug in IE where a background image loads
and displays perfectly but dissapears after it has scrolled of the page.
If you scroll all the way to the bottom and then return to the top of
the page, the bg image is no longer there.
Any idea what this bug is?
I'm getting a weird problem when I try and absolutely position something
in a table caption. It all works fine in IE, but in Firefox if I try the
page below the caption is only as wide as the first cell in the table.
If I remove the display:block; on the caption then the caption is
the full width
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