On Dec 18, 2005, at 11:45 PM, Bert Doorn wrote:
Seems a bit of overkill for a single rule. I avoid hacks wherever
possible, but if you do need one, it's better placed in the CSS
file (e.g. with a * html hack).
Bert, I rarely use hacks for my sites and never really learn how to
use
Tee,
I suspect the problem is the IE box model. You have set a width and padding for
#formWrapper.
Increasing the width of the #container by 20px, which is the amount of padding
on the #formWrapper, seems to fix the problem.
#container { width: 825px; ...}
cheers,
Geoff.
On Dec 19, 2005, at 1:40 AM, Geoff Pack wrote:
Tee,
I suspect the problem is the IE box model. You have set a width and
padding for #formWrapper.
Increasing the width of the #container by 20px, which is the amount
of padding on the #formWrapper, seems to fix the problem.
#container {
Thomas Livingston wrote:
The whole basis to my point is that in our little virtual situation,
it's too late. The client saw the design. the client wants the design
he saw. If you could only do it with a table, you'd say no and/or
walk.
Just or the record, / I / wouldn't walk; I'd do what
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Hi guys,
I've developed two examples of Degradable AHAH,
that works with and without enabled javascript.
First example is a dynamic include of html :
(1).
http://www.gizax.it/experiments/AHAH/degradabile/test/articolo_degradabile.html
Second example is a LiveSearch :
(2).
I've developed two examples ofDegradable AHAH,that works with and without enabled _javascript_.
Well done, guy! :D
Well you have probably all heard about this already but Microsoft is
stopping support for IE on the Mac.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4542750.stm
http://www.microsoft.com/mac/products/internetexplorer/internetexplorer.aspx?pid=internetexplorer
http://www.webstandards.org/
but does it
hello all,
just tryin to narrow the distance between my h3 element and some unordered
lists.
easy enough in ff but negative margins dont seem to budge the ul in ie.
example html
http://www.mcmonagle.biz/mockup/final5.htm
css
http://www.mcmonagle.biz/mockup/index3.css
"The current version of IE for Macs is effectively
three
years old, making it an outdated browser compared to its Windows
equivalent."
like the current version of IE on windows is not outdated?!
Richard Stephenson wrote:
Well you have probably all heard about this already but Microsoft
On Dec 19, 2005, at 11:03 AM, Richard Stephenson wrote:
but does it mean we can stop coding for it now
There's an IE for Macs???
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Tom Livingston
Senior Multimedia Artist
Media Logic
www.mlinc.com
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just tryin to narrow the distance between my h3 element and some unordered
lists.
easy enough in ff but negative margins dont seem to budge the ul in ie.
Not looked at your CSS, but...there's really no need to get out negative
margins. Have you set the bottom margin (and
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RE: my htc to remove uneeded alt text after an image loads.
On Dec 15, 2005, at 12:44 PM, Derek Featherstone wrote:
On 12/15/05, Ben Curtis wrote:
The alt text is removed from the element if the image is loaded.
...
You attach it to the img selector in your css, or a more specific
I'm almost done: http://www.tjkdesign.com/clients/noteworthy
I'm wondering if this is the correct markup for this:
http://www.tjkdesign.com/clients/noteworthy/templates.asp
Should I use a table instead? It seems that I need some headings and that
I'm cheating with the first DL in there.
Also,
Not looked at your CSS, but...there's really no need to get out negative
margins. Have you set the bottom margin (and padding) of the h3 and the
top margin (and padding) of the ul (and possibly the li elements therein)?
i just set all of the above to 0 and it worked.
thanks patrick
I think your negative margins are getting the better of you. Because both
elements directly follow each other there shouldn't be any need to do
anything othet than set H# bottom and UL/LI top margins and padding to 0.
The change below worked for me.
.mainleft ul {
margin-top: 0px;
The change below worked for me.
.mainleft ul {
margin-top: 0px;
thanks paul that simplifies it,
also
i always get stuck with these crazy navition schemes.
The client signed of on this layout with different content then came back
with loads more
subcategory links then he had
Negative margins will always come back to haunt you later :D
I suppose I was cutting corners using them...its just that sometimes
they seem to save a lot of hassle-probably because i dont
have a deep enough understanding of document flow and such.
thanks
kvnmcwebn
What are you serving that site off? a 14.4k modem?
The site looks like it should be broken into sections anyway, you've
dedicated half the front page to navigation which is far too much, and
far too intimidating. I would break the site into those top level
headings (childcare, personal help
The client will *always* come back with items they've not considered until
later and they will *always* see them as having enough importance to warrant
being part of the main menu structure.
Navigation is a beach and its elements can become as numerous as the grains
of sand that accumulate in the
paul and samuel,
thanks for the sound advice, i will put it to good use.
I just realized that basically the home page is a site map right now!
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In a nutshell, a pattern is a a problem which occurs over and over
again … and … the core of the solution to that problem. When we
build sites, unconsciously we use patterns all the time - it's just
very little work has been done trying to capture and document them.
That's what I've
I see a pattern forming. ;)
We do love our definitions on this list. FWIW I think a framework is what
we're after, which may just include links to real world solutions that are
standards based.
An awesome under-taking. I'd love to see it happen.
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From: [EMAIL
Microsoft is officially halting distribution of Internet Explorer for the
Mac at the end of next month. You'll probably want to archive a copy or two
now for testing purposes, as well as to use with sites like the Proximus
wireless access point at Javapolis last week that wouldn't let anybody in
When we build
sites, unconsciously we use patterns all the time - it's just very
little work has been done trying to capture and document them.
dosnt ted drakes standardista rollyo search thingy sorta do this?
-Kevin MacMahongail
(pronounced macmonagle-sort of:)
Tee,
I think you are making things complicated for yourself. You don't need
conditional comments or the IE7 script just to get column widths to match
across browsers.
The trick to taming the box model problems of IE is to never set width and
(horizontal) padding for the same element. If you
You'll probably want to archive a copy or two now for testing purposes
Why on earth would I want to do that? :)
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Richard,
Martijn van Welie's been hacking away at something like this for a
bit - check it out :o)
http://www.welie.com/patterns/index.html
indeed he has. I devote some space in the original webpatterns
article to discussing the strengths and weaknesses of what Martijn
has done.
Richard,
Actually, it would be great if we could have something like this
which would form a 'toolkit' of sorts where we can take 'developer-
authorised' code snippets and put them in our pages. Such as
finally having a collection of code so we don't have to ask:
What's the most semantic
Hi,
Im wondering if anyone has any thoughts regarding
WCAG1.0 Guideline 8.1:
Make programmatic elements such as scripts and applets directly
accessible or compatible with assistive technologies [Priority1 if
functionality is important and not presented elsewhere, otherwise
Priority2.]
Paul,
Love the idea.
thanks
I don't think it should be a replacement for many things
which are best learnt through hard expereince, but rather a 7 steps to
success guide for building a standards-based website.
things should not be hard simply for the sake of it. We need to
distinguish
On 12/19/05, Thierry Koblentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm almost done: http://www.tjkdesign.com/clients/noteworthy
I'm wondering if this is the correct markup for this:
http://www.tjkdesign.com/clients/noteworthy/templates.asp
Should I use a table instead? It seems that I need some headings
Richard,
I don't know, Sam...
I mean, we're not forcing someone to use these patterns. But let's
face it, they're patterns because lots of people use them.
exactly. These patterns exist already. Its not about saying you
should do these things in this way rather over time, when solving
Kevin,
dosnt ted drakes standardista rollyo search thingy sorta do this?
I'd suggest rollyo is a great example of a framework, which of course
uses existing search, page and page content patterns.
john
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Kat,
Keep in mind I am just a student,
of course then we'll discount everything you have to say by 40% :-)
but isn't something that describes it at site level more a
framework rather than a pattern?
I'd say that the difference between a framework and a pattern is that
a framework is a
Christian Montoya wrote:
On 12/19/05, Thierry Koblentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm almost done: http://www.tjkdesign.com/clients/noteworthy
I'm wondering if this is the correct markup for this:
http://www.tjkdesign.com/clients/noteworthy/templates.asp
Should I use a table instead? It seems
Hey John,
I think you're right on both counts...
Yes, in order for this to be effective the more professionals who
contribute, the better it will be.
And yes, absolutely, it's not about stating this is the ONLY way you can do
this but presenting a set of choices.
I look forward to seeing the
Problem:
http://d81314.i50.quadrahosting.com.au/index.php?module=Newsid=cntnt01cntn
t01action=detailcntnt01articleid=8cntnt01returnid=11
The Site Updates div gets pushed way down the page. And I've got no idea
why/ Strangely all is well in IE (with all the hacks in place I'd hope so!).
This
Fix your validation to start with, that might help narrow it down a bit,
might be missing a close tag or something..
Paul Noone wrote:
Problem:
http://d81314.i50.quadrahosting.com.au/index.php?module=Newsid=cntnt01cntn
t01action=detailcntnt01articleid=8cntnt01returnid=11
The Site Updates
Why are you declaring position : relative; on regular divs (that should
already be set to that?)
Same with max-width : 100% on the #pagewidth, lots of unneeded styles here.
I can't see exactly what it is off the top of my head, my advice would
be to pull the widths and floats off the div's
Paul Noone wrote:
Problem:
http://d81314.i50.quadrahosting.com.au/index.php?module=Newsid=cntnt01cntn
t01action=detailcntnt01articleid=8cntnt01returnid=11
The Site Updates div gets pushed way down the page. And I've got no idea
why/ Strangely all is well in IE (with all the hacks in place I'd
Cheers all. I know there's a lot to wde through but most of the fixes,
widths and relative positions in place were put in to fix other problems in
the first instance.
As you say, getting rid of the clearfix solves that particular problem but
causes others. Definitely a clearing problem then.
Got it. It was the clearfix class applied to the content div directly above
which contained no floated items.
I'm sure something else has broken now but that's for another day.
Thanks again.
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If you have to have that many fixes in place for a page that is that
simple then your doing something wrong.
Paul Noone wrote:
Cheers all. I know there's a lot to wde through but most of the fixes,
widths and relative positions in place were put in to fix other problems in
the first
On 12/19/05, Focas, Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
I'm wondering if anyone has any thoughts regarding WCAG1.0 Guideline 8.1:
Make programmatic elements such as scripts and applets directly accessible
or compatible with assistive technologies [Priority 1 if functionality is
important
On 12/19/05, Terrence Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
how would/do you markup the source attribution for data tables when there
is already a caption?
How about using the tfoot element? You could code it as:
table
thead
tr
thSummary of Key
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