Re: [WSG] Failed A Job :(

2009-01-30 Thread Jason Pruim
On Jan 30, 2009, at 12:43 AM, William Donovan wrote: Hang on, did I miss something or is this completely OT (off topic). Bible's, Gutenberg, print type faces... Web Standards...? Nahhh It's all about type faces that are easier to read on the web and understanding why some are better

RE: [WSG] Failed A Job :(

2009-01-30 Thread michael.brockington
Not to mention optimum line lengths, amount of whitespace, justification ... It is unfortunately far too common to assume that lessons learned centuries ago are no longer relevant, just because they weren't digital. Actually, that was one of the big changes then: type was inherently fixed-width,

Re: [WSG] Failed A Job :(

2009-01-30 Thread Simon Pascal Klein
Sorry—got carried away. (: On 30/01/2009, at 4:43 PM, William Donovan wrote: Hang on, did I miss something or is this completely OT (off topic). Bible's, Gutenberg, print type faces... Web Standards...? William Donovan mobile: 0403 263 284 --- Simon Pascal Klein Graphic Web Designer

RE: [WSG] Clearing a row with floated list li

2009-01-30 Thread Paul Collins
Thanks for your replies everyone. I'm not explaining the problem well, so I've created a demo page: http://paulcollinslondon.com/temporary/test.html If you take a look at it in IE7 and Firefox, you should be able to see the difference. The first li is taller than the second one, causing the

RE: [WSG] Re: Users who deliberately disable JavaScript

2009-01-30 Thread Dave Hall
On Mon, 2009-01-26 at 23:48 -0500, Rick Faircloth wrote: According to statistics supplied by w3schools.com, as of Jan 08 approximately 95% of users had JS enabled. Check out http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp and look towards the middle of the page for the stats. Just to

Re: [WSG] Re: Users who deliberately disable JavaScript

2009-01-30 Thread Rimantas Liubertas
IMO stats from tech sites are not very representative of the general intarwebs user base. Exactly, only this can mean the opposite of what you state: more tech savy users know how to turn Javascript off, unlike the general public. Regards, Rimantas -- http://rimantas.com/

Re: [WSG] Re: Users who deliberately disable JavaScript

2009-01-30 Thread Blake
On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 10:59 PM, Dave Hall w...@skwashd.com wrote: I would suggest that w3schools attracts a more switched on user than say Live Search, YouTube or myspace/facebook/insert social network here. Stats from those types of sites are what I would be more interested in seeing. Good

Re: [WSG] Re: Users who deliberately disable JavaScript

2009-01-30 Thread Matthew Pennell
On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 12:05 PM, Rimantas Liubertas riman...@gmail.comwrote: Exactly, only this can mean the opposite of what you state: more tech savy users know how to turn Javascript off, unlike the general public. One other thing to bear in mind is that we are mostly thinking of users

RE: [WSG] Users who deliberately disable JavaScript

2009-01-30 Thread kieren
Agreed - people certainly aren't getting any smarter as far as web technologies go. Particuarly as the web is now viewed as a common commodity that virtually everyone has access to. In the old days, it was more or less used exclusively by tech savvy users; it was very far from the plug and play

Re: [WSG] Users who deliberately disable JavaScript

2009-01-30 Thread James Milligan
Well if a sysadmin is going to block js, then he/she will probably block facebook as well PS: I've been on this list for a while but only recenly started reading them! James -- James Milligan Lake Internet Services On 30 Jan 2009, at 12:29, kie...@humdingerdesigns.co.uk wrote: Agreed -

RE: [WSG] Re: Users who deliberately disable JavaScript

2009-01-30 Thread James Leslie
Another point to note is that many mobile phones have JavaScript enabled so this figure may increase with the expected rise in mobile popularity. *** Sorry - that should have said disabled not enabled ** *** List Guidelines:

Re: [WSG] Re: Users who deliberately disable JavaScript

2009-01-30 Thread Rimantas Liubertas
Another point to note is that many mobile phones have JavaScript enabled so this figure may increase with the expected rise in mobile popularity. *** Sorry - that should have said disabled not enabled ** I actually see mobile browsing rising in popularity when browsers on gadgets are full

Re: [WSG] Re: Users who deliberately disable JavaScript

2009-01-30 Thread James Milligan
Was about to say! Very true, but the iPhone is proving a popular combination, especially with unlimited data on contract, and JS is turned on by default. There is an option to turn it off, but I doubt many would do so. PS I'm using an iPhone all the time now, typing this message one one!

RE: [WSG] Re: Users who deliberately disable JavaScript

2009-01-30 Thread MichaelMD
On Fri, 2009-01-30 at 13:07 +, James Leslie wrote: Another point to note is that many mobile phones have JavaScript enabled so this figure may increase with the expected rise in mobile popularity. *** Sorry - that should have said disabled not enabled ** not just many ... actually I

[WSG] Out of Office AutoReply: WSG Digest

2009-01-30 Thread Smith, Stephen
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Re: [WSG] Users who deliberately disable JavaScript

2009-01-30 Thread matt andrews
2009/1/27 Patrick H. Lauke re...@splintered.co.uk: As good as it is to hear anecdotal evidence from expert users such as list members here, I'd say it's much more important to bring some actual live user stats to the table. Last time I checked JS stats (around 12 months ago) at the site I work