Well if a sysadmin is going to block js, then he/she will probably
block facebook as well
PS: I've been on this list for a while but only recenly started
reading them!
James
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James Milligan
Lake Internet Services
On 30 Jan 2009, at 12:29, <[email protected]> wrote:
Agreed - people certainly aren't getting any smarter as far as web
technologies go. Particuarly as the web is now viewed as a common
commodity
that virtually everyone has access to. In the old days, it was more
or less
used exclusively by tech savvy users; it was very far from the plug
and play
service it is now.
Unless an automated system is switching off javascript for the end
user,
from my experience the vast user base of the common population isn't
going
to actively go into settings and make a conscious effort to switch
it off.
The vast majority don't even know what it is. I, for one, will carry
on
designing sites on the basis that the chances of someone using a
javascript
disabled browser stumbling across me is minimal.
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of David Dixon
Sent: 26 January 2009 22:50
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [WSG] Users who deliberately disable JavaScript
Again, can you show that the small decline in IE's market share has
contributed to users blocking Javascript or using specific Firefox
extensions?
IE has had plugins such as the Web Accessibility Toolbar etc for
some years
now that allow disabling of Javascript very easily, so why would the
usage
of another browser and additional extensions change this?
People do change their viewing habits all the time, and migrations
between
browsers will continue (whether to IE detriment or not), it doesn't
mean
people are getting smarter or that they are concerned at all about
Javascript (im sure the security concerns over IE6/7 that have
talked about
over in the mainstream news networks over the past couple of years
have had
nothing to do with Javascript, and are far more related to Microsoft's
proprietary ActiveX functionality).
If memory serve's, the "people are getting smarter" observation has
been
stated on this mailing list since its inception, and we've yet to
see any
evidence of this.
David
David Lane wrote:
Agreed - the level of savvy of most user is absurdly low, and at
present few will know what Javascript is, much less how to disable
it.
The question is whether people today design for today's users, or
tomorrow's...
The trend will continue towards more sophisticated users, using
better
browsers (i.e. not IE) which support useful plugins like NoScript and
their analogues for Opera, Webkit, etc.
I suspect as more and more people get burned by identity theft and
other forms of exploitation, the pain individuals experience will
provide a strong motivation for learning. Also, organisations will
increasingly make that decision on behalf of their users to minimise
their own risk...
Cheers,
Dave
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