RE: [WSG] IE and the button element

2009-02-24 Thread Stuart Foulstone
Which IS semantic and separates content (the link) from presentation (a button). On Mon, February 23, 2009 10:56 pm, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: On Tue, 24 Feb 2009, John Horner wrote: Thanks for all the discussion so far. It seems I'll have to re-code. I will definitely not be using

RE: [WSG] IE and the button element

2009-02-24 Thread Stuart Foulstone
Which IS semantic and separates content (the link) from presentation (a button). On Mon, February 23, 2009 10:56 pm, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: On Tue, 24 Feb 2009, John Horner wrote: Thanks for all the discussion so far. It seems I'll have to re-code. I will definitely not be using

Re: [WSG] DHTML Menus

2009-02-24 Thread Chris Dimmock
Q. What is the percentage of population that does not have javascript enabled? A. 100% of search engine spiders. So if you don't want your site fully spidered. *** List Guidelines:

RE: [WSG] IE and the button element

2009-02-24 Thread Chris F.A. Johnson
On Tue, 24 Feb 2009, John Horner wrote: Advantages of using buttons: 1) Button elements don't need styling, they take their styling from the user's operating system, which they are, I assume, familiar and comfortable with. I won't be reinventing the wheel. Button elements are styled by

RE: [WSG] IE and the button element

2009-02-24 Thread Patrick Lauke
Chris F.A. Johnson On Tue, 24 Feb 2009, John Horner wrote: 1) Button elements don't need styling, they take their styling from the user's operating system, which they are, I assume, familiar and comfortable with. I won't be reinventing the wheel. Button elements are styled by the

RE: [WSG] IE and the button element

2009-02-24 Thread Nick Fitzsimons
On Tue, February 24, 2009 1:54 am, John Horner wrote: Advantages of using buttons: 1) Button elements don't need styling, they take their styling from the user's operating system, which they are, I assume, familiar and comfortable with. I won't be reinventing the wheel. Actually, the

RE: [WSG] Classes---Adding multiple classes to an element, is there a downfall???

2009-02-24 Thread michael.brockington
In my own personal opinion, if you get into the situation where you want to use a selector like: .class1.class2 { stuff } then it is time to do a little re-factoring. The whole point of allowing an element to have two or more classes is so that each class remains semantically logical. As you

Re: [WSG] Code scan, complient to guidelines version 2.0

2009-02-24 Thread David Dorward
Thiru Yoganathan wrote: I am looking for a code scan tool that compliant to the new accessibility guidelines v2.0 We currently use Bobby, however that is still adhering to the guidelines, version 1.0 Does anybody know of a tool which can do this? I use siteSifter -

Re: [WSG] DHTML Menus

2009-02-24 Thread David Dorward
Kristine Cummins wrote: I’ve recently seen some arguments against the use of DHTML menus for accessibility issues. How much is this an issue…. What is the percentage of population that does not have javascript enabled? Any other thoughts on the topic? DHTML menus is a very vague term. The

Re: [WSG] IE and the button element

2009-02-24 Thread David Dorward
Nick Fitzsimons wrote: Actually, the specific purpose of the button is to allow one to have buttons that *don't* look like ordinary buttons: Buttons created with the BUTTON element function just like buttons created with the INPUT element, but they offer richer rendering possibilities: the

[WSG] meta tag questions

2009-02-24 Thread Bob Schwartz
I have questions regarding two types of meta tags, Dublin Core and geo.position: 1. Dublin Core: I have only been able to find older studies (2000) regarding the possible improvement in search engine positioning through the use of these tags. The conclusion in these olders studies was no

RE: [WSG] Code scan, complient to guidelines version 2.0

2009-02-24 Thread Patrick Lauke
David Dorward I use siteSifter - http://www.sitesifter.co.uk/ With the usual caveat that automated testing tools can flag up false positives and false negatives (for instance, on one site I just ran through the free sitesifter service, it flagged the lack of Content-Language in the HTTP header

Re: [WSG] meta tag questions

2009-02-24 Thread Ben Dodson
I don't know about the Dublin Core issue but my gut feeling with geo.position and your example would be that of course the bed and breakfast in Pisa, Italy should have their location as the hotel will always be in the same place. I think that you've looked at the issue from the wrong side

Re: [WSG] meta tag questions

2009-02-24 Thread Bob Schwartz
Ben, I think that you've looked at the issue from the wrong side in that you assume it would only show in regional searches (e.g. an italian search engine) whereas in actual fact it should show up in a global search for that region - e.g. if I search for hotels pisa italy I would expect

Re: [WSG] IE and the button element

2009-02-24 Thread Nick Fitzsimons
On Tue, February 24, 2009 10:57 am, David Dorward wrote: Nick Fitzsimons wrote: Actually, the specific purpose of the button is to allow one to have buttons that *don't* look like ordinary buttons: Buttons created with the BUTTON element function just like buttons created with the INPUT

Re: [WSG] Classes---Adding multiple classes to an element, is there a downfall???

2009-02-24 Thread Brett Patterson
Yea, I would never consider allowing it on any project I am working on either...I was actually asking because I have heard that it could be done, but never really understood (maybe, come to think of it, heard) what the downfalls were. I do, now, thanks to you and Russ Weakley. -- Brett P. On

RE: [WSG] meta tag questions

2009-02-24 Thread Ted Drake
You can see dublin core as well as RDF and microformatted information has been indexed by yahoo when you use the BOSS api and/or build a SearchMonkey application. I don't know how much it influences Yahoo's rankings, but it is being used in building the index. http://developer.yahoo.com/boss

Re: [WSG] IE and the button element

2009-02-24 Thread Andrew Maben
On Feb 24, 2009, at 7:28 AM, Nick Fitzsimons wrote: the point is that it *behaves* like a button. In other words its purpose is to provide a specific kind of functionality and if I remember correctly, the functionality to be provided as originally stated was a link to a next page. I'd

[WSG] Inserting text in IE8

2009-02-24 Thread Robin Gorry
Hi all. My problem isn't strictly standards but more JavaScript compatibility between IE versions. In IE6, 7 I can insert text on a range (either on highlighted text or where the cursor is placed) using pasteHTML(). In IE8 I can only pasteHTML() when text is highlighted and not when the

[WSG] inserting text in to IE8

2009-02-24 Thread Robin Gorry
Hi all. My problem isn't strictly standards but more JavaScript compatibility between IE versions. In IE6, 7 I can insert text on a range (either on highlighted text or where the cursor is placed) using pasteHTML(). In IE8 I can only pasteHTML() when text is highlighted and not when

[WSG] Re: WSG Digest

2009-02-24 Thread Elle Meredith
On 24 Feb 2009, at 11:21, Bob Schwartz wrote: 1. Dublin Core: I have only been able to find older studies (2000) regarding the possible improvement in search engine positioning through the use of these tags. The conclusion in these olders studies was no significant imporvement, however

Re: [WSG] meta tag questions

2009-02-24 Thread Robert Turner
Hi Bob, Bob Schwartz wrote: 2. geo.position: According to Wikipedia geo.position tags help in returning regional search requests, or as they put it: "It understandably makes little sense to look for a baker and find one who has his shop in a completely different town". If this is the case,

Re: [WSG] inserting text in to IE8

2009-02-24 Thread Peter Dolkens
Dunno about your IE problems, but it doesn't work in firefox at all. Inserting text from the clipboard has always been an issue between browsers, and it was proven a while back that IE browsers could be exploited to steal passwords etc that you copy to your clipboard by pasting the clipboard into

RE: [WSG] inserting text in to IE8

2009-02-24 Thread Robin Gorry
Hi Peter, The example I linked to is IE only the way IE handles text ranges is fundamentally different than the w3c model that ff opera and the webkit browsers use. That doesn't really add up that this is a security fix because I wouldn't be able to highlight text and pasted it in, it

Re: [WSG] inserting text in to IE8

2009-02-24 Thread Katrina
Robin Gorry wrote: Hi all. My problem isn't strictly standards but more JavaScript compatibility between IE versions. In IE6, 7 I can insert text on a range (either on highlighted text or where the cursor is placed) using pasteHTML(). In IE8 I can only pasteHTML() when text is

RE: [WSG] inserting text in to IE8

2009-02-24 Thread Robin Gorry
Thanks Katrina, For any javascript problems the first place I look is quriksmode.com. unfortunatly if you want to support IE you have to fork your code ie one section for IE one for the rest. All I can put this down to is a bug in ie 8 rc1. Robin -Original Message- From:

Re: [WSG] meta tag questions

2009-02-24 Thread Bob Schwartz
Hi Robert. Does the geo ontology/schema also represent properties for longitude and latitude? I wrote a geospacial inferencing engine a while back for inferring distances between points using the great circle method. From memory, I think it used the geo schema. If it is for a web page,

Re: [WSG] meta tag questions

2009-02-24 Thread Robert Turner
Thanks Bob, I've dug up some old java code that contained a snippet from the geo schema I used (in a javadoc comment). Here it is: /** ... * pRDF Vocabulary for describing points: * code * rdf:RDF xmlns:rdf="http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#" *