For me, a front-end developer fulfills the role of the glue between the
designer and the back-end developer.
Accordingly, the FE developer needs a high-level understanding of both the
designer and BE developer's skills.
In the real world the FE developer may get his/her hands dirty with a bit of
The datastore/backend guys will just
make sure the data is in a nice format (JSON or something) and that
its accessible from a url - their job is done my friends.
Ouch. For me this points up the absurdity of the demarcation between
front-end and back-end developer. Unless each of us
I think the question should not be which languages are you good at?,
but what you have comprehensive awareness of. I'm also inclined to
believe that's what ppk is likely to be focussing on - because just as
much as he has a great sense of design and is one of javascript's
greatest, his
I would classify myself as a front-ender, but not because of my focus on
design work - or my greater aptitude in ecma, css and markup compared to
my php, asp or python. I think the greater qualification comes in
standards awareness and interest/participation in the development of
Hi,
I'm quite amazed by the somewhat nervous responses of people who are
afraid of 'strict seperation', cause there is no such thing and there
won't be any just because you use the term front-end developer'. Of
course front-end developers need some basic knowledge of other areas of
web
I'm interested in the front end part of the Dutch group's name.
We were having a discussion at work the other day about which skills you
should have to have in order to call yourself a web developer.
I just finished a project which required knowledge of the following:
* HTML
* CSS
*
It's an interesting question.
I don't like titles, but when I got my business cards printed up for my
current job, I had them call me a web developer because I have the
skills you listed. (And since AJAX requires knowledge of Javascript and
XML, or some other transport format, then I'd say it
hey John :)
I think highlighting AJAX as a technology would be like highlighting POSH.
But that's an interesting point to raise, because there are technical
skill sets and methodological/ philosophical approaches to applying
technical skills. I think this is perhaps where skills like AJAX,
Extensive knowledge on HTML, CSS and Javascript would be what i call a
'front end-developer'.
But even then that isn't enough, front-end developers should have alot of
knowledge in the
Accessiblity and Usability, and if they are can design aswell, thats all the
better.
When i say extensive, i
On 7/3/07, John Horner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I just finished a project which required knowledge of the following:
* HTML
* CSS
* Javascript
* XML
* Perl or PHP
* SQL
but what's the minimum set of skills we think someone should have to call
themselves a web developer?
You could make a
John Horner schreef:
I'm interested in the front end part of the Dutch group's name.
We were having a discussion at work the other day about which skills
you should have to have in order to call yourself a web developer.
I just finished a project which required knowledge of the following:
...
To sum things up, for me a front-end developer uses at least one of the
following techniques:
- (X)HTML
- CSS
- JavaScript (client side)
- Flash (?)
I think that even for front-end developer some level of the knowledge
about web servers and HTTP is essential. And cross-browser
Rimantas Liubertas schreef:
...
To sum things up, for me a front-end developer uses at least one of the
following techniques:
- (X)HTML
- CSS
- JavaScript (client side)
- Flash (?)
I think that even for front-end developer some level of the knowledge
about web servers and HTTP is
and the cms the foundation that all three build upon.
Bruce P
bkdesign
- Original Message -
From: John Horner
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 2:55 AM
Subject: [WSG] Who's A Front End Developer?
I'm interested in the front end part of the Dutch
: [WSG] Who's A Front End Developer?
I'm interested in the front end part of the Dutch group's name.
We were having a discussion at work the other day about which
skills you
should have to have in order to call yourself a web developer.
I just finished a project which required
i wouldn't advertise the fact i can do 'ALL' the jobs on my own in the
same time it
would take a team of developers. To much hard work, so little money.
That's an interesting point in itself. Should you try to be a
one-stop-shop? It's certainly a lot easier for the client, but how
good can
On 05/07/07, Lucien Stals [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I like Bruce's suggestion for a break down, but he too acknowledges the
grey area around development. And I'd say that once you touch the db,
you are definitely back end, not front end.
In the end I guess I question the validity of defining
Seona Bellamy wrote:
My definition of designer vs developer is these days coloured by the
company I'm working for. The designers are the people who come up with
the ideas and the layouts and the graphics. The developers are the
people who write code, be that (X)HTML, CSS, JavaScript,
On 5/7/07 9:37 AM, Lucien Stals [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think I missed something in the original question. The front end
part. Somebody else categorised some of the technologies as back end
and that got me wondering.
When I said I was a web developer, I meant back end development. So
On 05/07/07, dwain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Seona Bellamy wrote:
My definition of designer vs developer is these days coloured by the
company I'm working for. The designers are the people who come up with
the ideas and the layouts and the graphics. The developers are the
people who write
On 05/07/07, John Horner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
i wouldn't advertise the fact i can do 'ALL' the jobs on my own in the
same time it
would take a team of developers. To much hard work, so little money.
That's an interesting point in itself. Should you try to be a
one-stop-shop? It's
That's interesting.
I wonder how many of us are in a similar position?
In my role, I work in a multimedia group of 5. (1 illustrator, 1
graphic designer, 1 multi media developer who does some front end web
stuff, our manager and myself).
I maintain many static web pages on our public site, and
On 05/07/07, Lucien Stals [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What do the rest of you do? How many of us *don't* have to be a
jack-of-all-trades?
I guess that partly depends how you define all trades. Now that I no
longer have to do graphical work, I simply consider myself a web developer.
That said,
Seona Bellamy wrote:
On 05/07/07, *dwain* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Seona Bellamy wrote:
My definition of designer vs developer is these days coloured by the
company I'm working for. The designers are the people who come
up with
the ideas and the
Lucien Stals schreef:
What do the rest of you do? How many of us *don't* have to be a
jack-of-all-trades?
Me.
I work at a fairly big company (100+ employees, about half of which
build websites, other departments focus on SEO, (email) marketing and
trainings related to internet). I only
Javascript is really starting to move into the realm of
software/application developer. Currently a bleeding edge javascript
programmer has to have extensive knowledge of the entire 'web
platform'. This includes: server/datastore programming, sound
understanding of client/server architecture,
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