Re: [WSG] AAA Accessibility and validation

2010-01-13 Thread David Dorward
On 13 Jan 2010, at 04:02, c...@fagandesign.com.au wrote: Now, this Accessibility Appendix lists CSS validation (point 3) as a required attribute for compliance. No, it doesn't. The document says, under conformance: • Conformance Level Triple-A: all Priority 1, 2, and 3 checkpoints

Re: [WSG] AAA Accessibility and validation

2010-01-13 Thread Nick Stone
Christian, You said you've been told to place IE specific rules in a separate sheet, but you don't mention why you haven't done so. In the example you provided, I'd do this: 1) move zoom: 1 to your IE6 rule (and to IE7 rule if necessary) 2) place the IE6 and IE7 rules in an IE ONLY sheet 3)

RE: [WSG] AAA Accessibility and validation

2010-01-13 Thread Ted Drake
recommended when they introduced IE7 and there's not a strong reason to avoid it. -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Nick Stone Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 9:26 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] AAA

RE: [WSG] AAA Accessibility and validation

2010-01-13 Thread Thierry Koblentz
In the example you provided, I'd do this: 1) move zoom: 1 to your IE6 rule (and to IE7 rule if necessary) 2) place the IE6 and IE7 rules in an IE ONLY sheet 3) use a conditional comment to call the IE sheet Would that work? If so, please explain your reasons for not doing so. Here are

RE: [WSG] AAA Accessibility and validation

2010-01-13 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Nick Zoom:1 is not bad enough to warrant a conditional comment and separate style sheet. It's a valid rule that basically says show the screen at 100%. A user style sheet can still over-ride this rule. It's an easy way to add hasLayout without causing other issues. This is what

RE: [WSG] AAA Accessibility and validation

2010-01-13 Thread Chabot, Elliot
U.S. House of Representatives http://www.house.gov -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of David Dorward Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 7:46 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] AAA Accessibility

Re: [WSG] AAA Accessibility and validation

2010-01-13 Thread cf
Quoting Nick Stone boa...@nick-stone.com: Christian, You said you've been told to place IE specific rules in a separate sheet, but you don't mention why you haven't done so. Would that work? If so, please explain your reasons for not doing so. C) facilitates site maintenance (easy to find

Re: [WSG] AAA Accessibility and validation

2010-01-13 Thread David Dorward
On 13 Jan 2010, at 21:30, Chabot, Elliot wrote: The requirement for validation in WCAG 1.0 is contained in checkpoint 3.2, http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG10/wai-pageauth.html#tech-identify-grammar. Err, yes. As I said (and you quoted!): Checkpoint 3.2 says Create documents that validate to

Re: [WSG] AAA Accessibility and validation

2010-01-13 Thread David Hucklesby
On 1/13/10 12:24 PM, Thierry Koblentz wrote: Nick Zoom:1 is not bad enough to warrant a conditional comment and separate style sheet. It's a valid rule that basically says show the screen at 100%. A user style sheet can still over-ride this rule. It's an easy way to add hasLayout without causing

RE: [WSG] AAA Accessibility and validation

2010-01-13 Thread Houstin R. Hutton
] On Behalf Of David Hucklesby Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 6:44 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] AAA Accessibility and validation On 1/13/10 12:24 PM, Thierry Koblentz wrote: Nick Zoom:1 is not bad enough to warrant a conditional comment and separate style sheet. It's

RE: [WSG] AAA Accessibility and validation

2010-01-13 Thread Houstin R. Hutton
Hucklesby Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 6:44 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] AAA Accessibility and validation On 1/13/10 12:24 PM, Thierry Koblentz wrote: Nick Zoom:1 is not bad enough to warrant a conditional comment and separate style sheet. It's a valid rule

RE: [WSG] AAA Accessibility and validation

2010-01-13 Thread Houstin R. Hutton
] On Behalf Of David Hucklesby Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 6:44 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] AAA Accessibility and validation On 1/13/10 12:24 PM, Thierry Koblentz wrote: Nick Zoom:1 is not bad enough to warrant a conditional comment and separate style sheet. It's

RE: [WSG] AAA Accessibility and validation

2010-01-13 Thread Houstin R. Hutton
] On Behalf Of David Hucklesby Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 6:44 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] AAA Accessibility and validation On 1/13/10 12:24 PM, Thierry Koblentz wrote: Nick Zoom:1 is not bad enough to warrant a conditional comment and separate style sheet. It's

RE: [WSG] AAA Accessibility and validation

2010-01-13 Thread Houstin R. Hutton
] On Behalf Of David Hucklesby Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 6:44 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] AAA Accessibility and validation On 1/13/10 12:24 PM, Thierry Koblentz wrote: Nick Zoom:1 is not bad enough to warrant a conditional comment and separate style sheet. It's

RE: [WSG] AAA Accessibility and validation

2010-01-13 Thread Houstin R. Hutton
] On Behalf Of David Hucklesby Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 6:44 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] AAA Accessibility and validation On 1/13/10 12:24 PM, Thierry Koblentz wrote: Nick Zoom:1 is not bad enough to warrant a conditional comment and separate style sheet. It's

RE: [WSG] AAA Accessibility and validation

2010-01-13 Thread Houstin R. Hutton
Of Chabot, Elliot Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 4:30 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] AAA Accessibility and validation The requirement for validation in WCAG 1.0 is contained in checkpoint 3.2, http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG10/wai-pageauth.html#tech-identify-grammar http://www.w3.org

RE: [WSG] AAA Accessibility and validation

2010-01-13 Thread Houstin R. Hutton
] On Behalf Of Houstin R. Hutton Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 7:29 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] AAA Accessibility and validation Sorry to see that you have been also spammed by some jerk. I have received 11 e-mails spam from different people who were contacted

RE: [WSG] AAA Accessibility and validation

2010-01-13 Thread Houstin R. Hutton
] On Behalf Of Houstin R. Hutton Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 7:29 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] AAA Accessibility and validation Sorry to see that you have been also spammed by some jerk. I have received 11 e-mails spam from different people who were contacted

RE: [WSG] AAA Accessibility and validation

2010-01-13 Thread Houstin R. Hutton
] On Behalf Of Thierry Koblentz Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:03 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] AAA Accessibility and validation In the example you provided, I'd do this: 1) move zoom: 1 to your IE6 rule (and to IE7 rule if necessary) 2) place the IE6 and IE7 rules

RE: [WSG] AAA Accessibility and validation

2010-01-13 Thread Houstin R. Hutton
] On Behalf Of Nick Stone Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 12:26 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] AAA Accessibility and validation Christian, You said you've been told to place IE specific rules in a separate sheet, but you don't mention why you haven't done so

RE: [WSG] AAA Accessibility and validation

2010-01-13 Thread Houstin R. Hutton
Of Houstin R. Hutton Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 7:30 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] AAA Accessibility and validation Sorry to see that you have been also spammed by some jerk. I have received 11 e-mails spam from different people who were contacted by the same Group

RE: [WSG] AAA Accessibility and validation

2010-01-13 Thread Houstin R. Hutton
] On Behalf Of c...@fagandesign.com.au Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 5:53 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] AAA Accessibility and validation Quoting Nick Stone boa...@nick-stone.com: Christian, You said you've been told to place IE specific rules in a separate

RE: [WSG] AAA Accessibility and validation

2010-01-13 Thread Houstin R. Hutton
] On Behalf Of Houstin R. Hutton Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 7:29 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] AAA Accessibility and validation Sorry to see that you have been also spammed by some jerk. I have received 11 e-mails spam from different people who were contacted

RE: [WSG] AAA Accessibility and validation

2010-01-13 Thread Houstin R. Hutton
, Elliot Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 4:30 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] AAA Accessibility and validation The requirement for validation in WCAG 1.0 is contained in checkpoint 3.2, http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG10/wai-pageauth.html#tech-identify-grammar http://www.w3.org/TR

RE: [WSG] AAA Accessibility and validation

2010-01-13 Thread Houstin R. Hutton
] On Behalf Of Houstin R. Hutton Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 7:29 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] AAA Accessibility and validation Sorry to see that you have been also spammed by some jerk. I have received 11 e-mails spam from different people who were contacted

RE: [WSG] AAA Accessibility and validation

2010-01-13 Thread Houstin R. Hutton
] On Behalf Of Thierry Koblentz Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 3:25 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] AAA Accessibility and validation Nick Zoom:1 is not bad enough to warrant a conditional comment and separate style sheet. It's a valid rule that basically says show

RE: [WSG] AAA Accessibility and validation

2010-01-13 Thread Houstin R. Hutton
] On Behalf Of Ted Drake Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 12:54 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] AAA Accessibility and validation Nick Zoom:1 is not bad enough to warrant a conditional comment and separate style sheet. It's a valid rule that basically says show the screen

RE: [WSG] AAA Accessibility and validation

2010-01-13 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Hi David, On 1/13/10 12:24 PM, Thierry Koblentz wrote: Nick Zoom:1 is not bad enough to warrant a conditional comment and separate style sheet. It's a valid rule that basically says show the screen at 100%. A user style sheet can still over-ride this rule. It's an easy way to add hasLayout

RE: [WSG] AAA Accessibility and validation

2010-01-13 Thread Houstin R. Hutton
Dorward Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 6:25 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] AAA Accessibility and validation On 13 Jan 2010, at 21:30, Chabot, Elliot wrote: The requirement for validation in WCAG 1.0 is contained in checkpoint 3.2, http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG10/wai

RE: [WSG] AAA Accessibility and validation

2010-01-13 Thread Houstin R. Hutton
] On Behalf Of Houstin R. Hutton Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 7:29 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] AAA Accessibility and validation Sorry to see that you have been also spammed by some jerk. I have received 11 e-mails spam from different people who were contacted

RE: [WSG] AAA Accessibility and validation

2010-01-13 Thread Houstin R. Hutton
_ From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Houstin R. Hutton Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 7:30 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] AAA Accessibility and validation Sorry to see that you have been also spammed

RE: [WSG] AAA Accessibility and validation

2010-01-13 Thread Houstin R. Hutton
] On Behalf Of Houstin R. Hutton Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 7:29 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] AAA Accessibility and validation Sorry to see that you have been also spammed by some jerk. I have received 11 e-mails spam from different people who were contacted

Re: [WSG] AAA Accessibility and validation

2010-01-12 Thread Al Sparber
From: c...@fagandesign.com.au I guess my question is: Do IE-related CSS hacks cause a document to fail AAA (or A/AA for that matter) Accessibility compliance? Hi Christian, If you mean things like zoom or even proprietary -Moz or

Re: [WSG] AAA Accessibility and validation

2010-01-12 Thread cf
From: c...@fagandesign.com.au I guess my question is: Do IE-related CSS hacks cause a document to fail AAA (or A/AA for that matter) Accessibility compliance? Hi Christian, If you mean things like zoom or even proprietary -Moz or