Re: [WSG] pdf graphics
Bruce If you own a copy of Adobe Acrobat and open the file in there you can extract/export images as jpgs. if not do screen shots. Its a pain... just like getting all the images required for a website embedded in a word doc aagh jackie - Original Message - From: Bruce [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 8:15 PM Subject: [WSG] pdf graphics Hi all, I was pleased recently to get a rather large project. It was also nice that they were sending the graphics for the site design. Today I got them, in pdf format! Now, perhaps I live on another planet, or a rank amature, but in the last ten years online I have known no-one who uses pdf for graphics. I have no clue what to do with them, especially after client stating the time he put into making them. I wish all pdf files would get lost, feel they have no place on the web. I really hope that standards aren't moving in this direction!!! What do you do in a situation like this? I need them for the design, menu items and backgrounds... Bruce Prochnau BKDesign ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** __ NOD32 1.1365 (20060114) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] pdf graphics
Or you could open PDF files in Adobe Photoshop. The quality should be the same. Dmitry jackie reid wrote: Bruce If you own a copy of Adobe Acrobat and open the file in there you can extract/export images as jpgs. if not do screen shots. Its a pain... just like getting all the images required for a website embedded in a word doc aagh jackie - Original Message - From: Bruce [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 8:15 PM Subject: [WSG] pdf graphics Hi all, I was pleased recently to get a rather large project. It was also nice that they were sending the graphics for the site design. Today I got them, in pdf format! Now, perhaps I live on another planet, or a rank amature, but in the last ten years online I have known no-one who uses pdf for graphics. I have no clue what to do with them, especially after client stating the time he put into making them. I wish all pdf files would get lost, feel they have no place on the web. I really hope that standards aren't moving in this direction!!! What do you do in a situation like this? I need them for the design, menu items and backgrounds... Bruce Prochnau BKDesign ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** __ NOD32 1.1365 (20060114) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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It's also worth mentioning that many other readers exist besides Acrobat. The feature-rich Acrobat features may not apply to all the readers. It may be a mute point since just about everyone uses Acrobat, but... Joseph R. B. Taylor Sites by Joe, LLC http://sitesbyjoe.com (609)335-3076 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dmitry Baranovskiy wrote: Or you could open PDF files in Adobe Photoshop. The quality should be the same. Dmitry jackie reid wrote: Bruce If you own a copy of Adobe Acrobat and open the file in there you can extract/export images as jpgs. if not do screen shots. Its a pain... just like getting all the images required for a website embedded in a word doc aagh jackie - Original Message - From: Bruce [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 8:15 PM Subject: [WSG] pdf graphics Hi all, I was pleased recently to get a rather large project. It was also nice that they were sending the graphics for the site design. Today I got them, in pdf format! Now, perhaps I live on another planet, or a rank amature, but in the last ten years online I have known no-one who uses pdf for graphics. I have no clue what to do with them, especially after client stating the time he put into making them. I wish all pdf files would get lost, feel they have no place on the web. I really hope that standards aren't moving in this direction!!! What do you do in a situation like this? I need them for the design, menu items and backgrounds... Bruce Prochnau BKDesign ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** __ NOD32 1.1365 (20060114) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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Hi all Too right, for the sake of keeping the list traffic to a manageable level please stay on-topic on the list - http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Thanks James admin We're waaay OT now, but I can't resist just posting this last message for those thinking about Photoshop-GIMP migration. GIMPshop! is a re-working of The GIMP's interface to make it more Photoshop-like. I haven't used it myself, because I recently went (was coerced into going) the other way (i.e. GIMP-Photoshop), but I imagine it could be worth a look if you're in the opposite boat. http://plasticbugs.com/?page_id=294 Josh ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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On 13 Jan 2006, at 14:50, Joseph R. B. Taylor wrote: This may be a bit off-topic, but I saw a few people mentioning GIMP. I'm a long time Photoshop user (since version 5.0), and Photoshop has been one of the excuses for staying a Windows user. The GIMP is a very capable program with a pretty heavy feature set, but I find the usability (especially compared to something like Photoshop) almost laughably bad. This is particularly noticeable when using it on a Mac. However, it is indispensable if you can't afford (or don't want to buy) Photoshop, Paint Shop Pro (not available for Mac anyway) or Fireworks. -- Dave ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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What do you mean by 'usability'? Because there is no such thing as user-friendliness, it just depends on the interface you are used to. If you spent 40 years of your life using command line, I'm sure you wouldn't find M$ Windows (R) so intuitive. The same applies if you've been using Photoshop since v5.0. What I mean is that The GIMP is an alternative, but many people when looking for an alternative, expect a clon. AlvAro - 2006/1/14, David Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 13 Jan 2006, at 14:50, Joseph R. B. Taylor wrote: This may be a bit off-topic, but I saw a few people mentioning GIMP. I'm a long time Photoshop user (since version 5.0), and Photoshop has been one of the excuses for staying a Windows user. The GIMP is a very capable program with a pretty heavy feature set, but I find the usability (especially compared to something like Photoshop) almost laughably bad. This is particularly noticeable when using it on a Mac. However, it is indispensable if you can't afford (or don't want to buy) Photoshop, Paint Shop Pro (not available for Mac anyway) or Fireworks. -- Dave ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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YUP, I couldn't agree more with you. Paolo Dodet
Re: [WSG] pdf graphics
We're waaay OT now, but I can't resist just posting this last message for those thinking about Photoshop-GIMP migration. GIMPshop! is a re-working of The GIMP's interface to make it more Photoshop-like. I haven't used it myself, because I recently went (was coerced into going) the other way (i.e. GIMP-Photoshop), but I imagine it could be worth a look if you're in the opposite boat. http://plasticbugs.com/?page_id=294 Josh ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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woops, sorry sent 2 the same, the main page was supposed to be one with no text. Hope they weren't too big. Bruce - Original Message - From: Joshua Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] pdf graphics We're waaay OT now, but I can't resist just posting this last message for those thinking about Photoshop-GIMP migration. GIMPshop! is a re-working of The GIMP's interface to make it more Photoshop-like. I haven't used it myself, because I recently went (was coerced into going) the other way (i.e. GIMP-Photoshop), but I imagine it could be worth a look if you're in the opposite boat. http://plasticbugs.com/?page_id=294 Josh ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] pdf graphics
If you don't have the full version of Acrobat, you're probably SOL... In a case like this, you ought to ask the client again for a USABLE file. If you didn't specify the file formats required in the contract, then you may be in for trouble. I've had a nightmare deal with someone on a project like that a few months back. I wish you luck! Nic ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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Well, if Photoshop won't open them, the GIMP certainly can. Then it's just cutting it apart like you would had you received any other flat file, I suppose! Of course, if you need backgrounds then a kindly worded email to the client requesting the source file with layers, etc., would probably be the best move. I've had designers send me flat files all the time, because they think that web design is just a matter of duplicating what they've created, like we were printers or something ;-). More often than not it's a misconception stemming from exposure to 'professional' graphics applications' web export/splice tools. Josh On 1/13/06, Bruce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I was pleased recently to get a rather large project. It was also nice that they were sending the graphics for the site design. Today I got them, in pdf format! Now, perhaps I live on another planet, or a rank amature, but in the last ten years online I have known no-one who uses pdf for graphics. I have no clue what to do with them, especially after client stating the time he put into making them. I wish all pdf files would get lost, feel they have no place on the web. I really hope that standards aren't moving in this direction!!! What do you do in a situation like this? I need them for the design, menu items and backgrounds... Bruce Prochnau BKDesign ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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You could always screen grab if you have to? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nic Sent: 13 January 2006 10:17 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] pdf graphics If you don't have the full version of Acrobat, you're probably SOL... In a case like this, you ought to ask the client again for a USABLE file. If you didn't specify the file formats required in the contract, then you may be in for trouble. I've had a nightmare deal with someone on a project like that a few months back. I wish you luck! Nic ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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Bruce wrote: I was pleased recently to get a rather large project. It was also nice that they were sending the graphics for the site design. Today I got them, in pdf format! LOL! I wish all pdf files would get lost, feel they have no place on the web. They do have their place on the web, but they're certainly not for sending graphics. What do you do in a situation like this? I need them for the design, menu items and backgrounds... I've recieved the wrong file format from clients previously, it usually just takes a quick e-mail to get the right ones from them. Just ask for the original image files, they should have them in a format like suitable for Photoshop, Fireworks, CorelDraw, GIMP, or whatever app they used to create them. -- Lachlan Hunt http://lachy.id.au/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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Bruce wrote: Hi all, I was pleased recently to get a rather large project. It was also nice that they were sending the graphics for the site design. Today I got them, in pdf format! What do you do in a situation like this? I need them for the design, menu items and backgrounds... What about PDF2HTML convertors? http://sourceforge.net/projects/pdftohtml/ free, open source but there are many more. Hope this helps, Chris. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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are the graphics vectors? Opening from Adobe illustrator would keep everything nice and editable. -kvnmcwebn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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Christian Peper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bruce wrote: Hi all, I was pleased recently to get a rather large project. It was also nice that they were sending the graphics for the site design. Today I got them, in pdf format! What do you do in a situation like this? I need them for the design, menu items and backgrounds...What about PDF2HTML convertors?http://sourceforge.net/projects/pdftohtml/free, open source but there are many more.Hope this helps,Chris.**The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmfor some hints on posting to the list getting help**dont send to me any masseges again Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever.
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On Jan 13, 2006, at 6:59 AM, kvnmcwebn wrote: are the graphics vectors? Opening from Adobe illustrator would keep everything nice and editable. -kvnmcwebn I second trying Illustrator first, Photoshop next. Recent versions of both will open the files. Illustrator's underlying format is pdf, so you can almost always open a pdf with Illustrator, then reestablish layers yourself if you have to and change measurements to pixels and make the size 100% or an even multiple of the pixel size you want-- fonts may be a problem if you don't have the same ones on your machine that were used in the pdf. Photoshop has a pdf import dialog box that allows you to decide on the page if it's multipage pdf, ppi, rgb vs cmyk, size. There's no layer support if the original was made in InDesign or Quark, but layers may transfer if the graphic was made in a new version of Illustrator. Best regards, Marilyn Langfeld Langfeldesigns http://www.langfeldesigns.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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This may be a bit off-topic, but I saw a few people mentioning GIMP. I'm a long time Photoshop user (since version 5.0), and Photoshop has been one of the excuses for staying a Windows user. Has anyone been a longtime Photoshop user and switched to GIMP, and not looked back? Maybe just email me if this is the case rather than pollute the list anymore than I just have. Thanks, Joseph R. B. Taylor Sites by Joe, LLC http://sitesbyjoe.com (609)335-3076 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Marilyn Langfeld wrote: On Jan 13, 2006, at 6:59 AM, kvnmcwebn wrote: are the graphics vectors? Opening from Adobe illustrator would keep everything nice and editable. -kvnmcwebn I second trying Illustrator first, Photoshop next. Recent versions of both will open the files. Illustrator's underlying format is pdf, so you can almost always open a pdf with Illustrator, then reestablish layers yourself if you have to and change measurements to pixels and make the size 100% or an even multiple of the pixel size you want-- fonts may be a problem if you don't have the same ones on your machine that were used in the pdf. Photoshop has a pdf import dialog box that allows you to decide on the page if it's multipage pdf, ppi, rgb vs cmyk, size. There's no layer support if the original was made in InDesign or Quark, but layers may transfer if the graphic was made in a new version of Illustrator. Best regards, Marilyn Langfeld Langfeldesigns http://www.langfeldesigns.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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On Friday 13 January 2006 08:50 am, Joseph R. B. Taylor wrote: GIMP is a fine program, but no replacement for Photoshop, it is just not as robust. Mark Desmet This may be a bit off-topic, but I saw a few people mentioning GIMP. I'm a long time Photoshop user (since version 5.0), and Photoshop has been one of the excuses for staying a Windows user. Has anyone been a longtime Photoshop user and switched to GIMP, and not looked back? Maybe just email me if this is the case rather than pollute the list anymore than I just have. Thanks, Joseph R. B. Taylor Sites by Joe, LLC http://sitesbyjoe.com (609)335-3076 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Marilyn Langfeld wrote: On Jan 13, 2006, at 6:59 AM, kvnmcwebn wrote: are the graphics vectors? Opening from Adobe illustrator would keep everything nice and editable. -kvnmcwebn I second trying Illustrator first, Photoshop next. Recent versions of both will open the files. Illustrator's underlying format is pdf, so you can almost always open a pdf with Illustrator, then reestablish layers yourself if you have to and change measurements to pixels and make the size 100% or an even multiple of the pixel size you want-- fonts may be a problem if you don't have the same ones on your machine that were used in the pdf. Photoshop has a pdf import dialog box that allows you to decide on the page if it's multipage pdf, ppi, rgb vs cmyk, size. There's no layer support if the original was made in InDesign or Quark, but layers may transfer if the graphic was made in a new version of Illustrator. Best regards, Marilyn Langfeld Langfeldesigns http://www.langfeldesigns.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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Marilyn Langfeld wrote: Photoshop has a pdf import dialog box that allows you to decide on the page if it's multipage pdf, ppi, rgb vs cmyk, size. You can export JPG out of Adobe right? Worst case -- do an ALT + Print Screen and paste into Photoshop. Or, perhaps a utility like SnagIt? -- Dwacon http://dwacon.blogspot.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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Thanks all who answered. I have to admit I never knew photoshop would open pdf. Unbelievable perhaps, but nontheless... Even version 5.5 opened tham and I was able to save as jpg. Thanks! Bruce Prochnau BKDesign - Original Message - From: Mark Desmet [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 9:56 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] pdf graphics On Friday 13 January 2006 08:50 am, Joseph R. B. Taylor wrote: GIMP is a fine program, but no replacement for Photoshop, it is just not as robust. Mark Desmet This may be a bit off-topic, but I saw a few people mentioning GIMP. I'm a long time Photoshop user (since version 5.0), and Photoshop has been one of the excuses for staying a Windows user. Has anyone been a longtime Photoshop user and switched to GIMP, and not looked back? Maybe just email me if this is the case rather than pollute the list anymore than I just have. Thanks, Joseph R. B. Taylor Sites by Joe, LLC http://sitesbyjoe.com (609)335-3076 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Marilyn Langfeld wrote: On Jan 13, 2006, at 6:59 AM, kvnmcwebn wrote: are the graphics vectors? Opening from Adobe illustrator would keep everything nice and editable. -kvnmcwebn I second trying Illustrator first, Photoshop next. Recent versions of both will open the files. Illustrator's underlying format is pdf, so you can almost always open a pdf with Illustrator, then reestablish layers yourself if you have to and change measurements to pixels and make the size 100% or an even multiple of the pixel size you want-- fonts may be a problem if you don't have the same ones on your machine that were used in the pdf. Photoshop has a pdf import dialog box that allows you to decide on the page if it's multipage pdf, ppi, rgb vs cmyk, size. There's no layer support if the original was made in InDesign or Quark, but layers may transfer if the graphic was made in a new version of Illustrator. Best regards, Marilyn Langfeld Langfeldesigns http://www.langfeldesigns.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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On Jan 13, 2006, at 10:14 AM, Conyers, Dwayne, Mr [C] wrote: You can export JPG out of Adobe right? Yes, the latest version of Photoshop saves to .jpg, .gif. png .ico (if you install a plug-in, one of which is donationware), as well as having a Save for web export in .jpg, .gif, .png-8, .png-24 and WBMP that helps you to optimize the result for the Web). The newest Illustrator also has a Save for Web, but I prefer to use Photoshop. You can also open and save to .svg from Illustrator. I've been working with Textorizer ( http://www.flickr.com/photos/ langfeldesigns/sets/1691963/ ) which is outputs .svg which I've opened and manipulated in Illustrator. Best regards, Marilyn Langfeld Langfeldesigns http://www.langfeldesigns.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1.301.598.3300 business phone +1.301.598.0532 fax +1.202.390.8847 mobile ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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Marilyn Langfeld said the following on 1/13/2006 9:37 AM: Yes, the latest version of Photoshop saves to .jpg, .gif. png .ico (if you install a plug-in, one of which is donationware), as well as having a Save for web export in .jpg, .gif, .png-8, .png-24 and WBMP that helps you to optimize the result for the Web). I find it funny that almost everyone forgot Macromedia Fireworks - as a full-time programmer and not a very good graphic artistthis program is invaluable! -- Peter J. Farrell :: Maestro Publishing http://blog.maestropublishing.com Rooibos Generator - Version 2.1 Create boilerplate beans and transfer objects for ColdFusion! http://rooibos.maestropublishing.com/ - Member Team Mach-II - Member Team Fusion ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
