Re: [X2Go-Dev] Different behavior of X2Go Client from Desktop and TCE

t; <x2go-m...@baur-itcs.de> À: x2go-dev@lists.x2go.org Envoyé: Jeudi 24 Mai 2018 11:52:04 Objet: Re: [X2Go-Dev] Different behavior of X2Go Client from Desktop and TCE Am 24.05.2018 um 11:25 schrieb Mike Gabriel: > Thus, you might want to ponder de-complicating the TCE code in that

Re: [X2Go-Dev] Different behavior of X2Go Client from Desktop and TCE

Am 24.05.2018 um 11:25 schrieb Mike Gabriel: > Thus, you might want to ponder de-complicating the TCE code in that > respect. However, a WM does not hurt. The workaround is just not needed > anymore. The WM is not needed for Xinerama any more - but still for window decoration and focus, unless

Re: [X2Go-Dev] Different behavior of X2Go Client from Desktop and TCE

Hi all, On Mi 16 Mai 2018 15:11:30 CEST, Walid MOGHRABI wrote: This is a known bug I encountered and this is due to the lack of Window Manager. Apparently, the WM is needed to have a good working xinerama. since today, this is not true anymore. The nxagent now also supports Xinerama

Re: [X2Go-Dev] Different behavior of X2Go Client from Desktop and TCE

Am 18.05.2018 um 12:09 schrieb Oleksandr Shneyder: > Well, 256MB RAM it's what they used in city of Treuchtlingen. Loading > images from local drive it's not an option, if you have about 200 > clients which are located kilometers away from each other. It is an option, if local storage is

Re: [X2Go-Dev] Different behavior of X2Go Client from Desktop and TCE

Well, 256MB RAM it's what they used in city of Treuchtlingen. Loading images from local drive it's not an option, if you have about 200 clients which are located kilometers away from each other. NFS-TCE is nothing else than simple debootstrap loaded from NFS with some scripts to launch X2Go

Re: [X2Go-Dev] Different behavior of X2Go Client from Desktop and TCE

Hi Alex, I don't want to start a battle either, but I think a side-by-side comparison would be nice so users know what to expect and thus what they should pick for their intended use. Back when I tried to follow the installation instructions, they were for Wheezy only. Attempting to run the

Re: [X2Go-Dev] Different behavior of X2Go Client from Desktop and TCE

I don't know why you should have troubles with it. The installation procedure is described in the Wiki step by step. You can use TCE with very simple hardware which is not powerful enough to run TCE-Live. And you can make changes in NFS-Root even without restarting thin clients. I don't want to

Re: [X2Go-Dev] Different behavior of X2Go Client from Desktop and TCE

Am 18.05.2018 um 10:50 schrieb Walid MOGHRABI: > If we're talking about the x2gothinclient-displaymanager package, this is not > "NFS based or anything else" centric and it can be used for both modes. > It just installs x2goclient and configures it to start at boot as a DM > replacement. This

Re: [X2Go-Dev] Different behavior of X2Go Client from Desktop and TCE

CEZANNE 2 290 AVENUE GALILEE - CS 80403 13591 AIX EN PROVENCE CEDEX 3 - Mail original - De: "Stefan Baur" <x2go-m...@baur-itcs.de> À: x2go-dev@lists.x2go.org Envoyé: Vendredi 18 Mai 2018 10:43:16 Objet: Re: [X2Go-Dev] Different behavior of X2Go Client from Desktop and TCE

Re: [X2Go-Dev] Different behavior of X2Go Client from Desktop and TCE

De: "Stefan Baur" <x2go-m...@baur-itcs.de> À: ul...@gmx.de Cc: x2go-dev@lists.x2go.org Envoyé: Vendredi 18 Mai 2018 10:14:58 Objet: Re: [X2Go-Dev] Different behavior of X2Go Client from Desktop and TCE Am 18.05.2018 um 10:08 schrieb Ulrich Sibiller: >> Alex is working

Re: [X2Go-Dev] Different behavior of X2Go Client from Desktop and TCE

Am 18.05.2018 um 10:32 schrieb Oleksandr Shneyder: > NFS-based TCE has a lot of advantages and will be kept anyway. ... as long as someone is actively maintaining it. If you have customers paying for it, or you volunteer to maintain it, fine. But I'm not happy with keeping a TCE-NFS in git that

Re: [X2Go-Dev] Different behavior of X2Go Client from Desktop and TCE

NFS-based TCE has a lot of advantages and will be kept anyway. regards Alex Am 18.05.2018 um 10:14 schrieb Stefan Baur: > Am 18.05.2018 um 10:08 schrieb Ulrich Sibiller: >>> Alex is working on the classic, NFS-based TCE, that so far does not come >>> with a Window Manager. >>> >>> Juri and I are

Re: [X2Go-Dev] Different behavior of X2Go Client from Desktop and TCE

Am 18.05.2018 um 10:08 schrieb Ulrich Sibiller: >> Alex is working on the classic, NFS-based TCE, that so far does not come >> with a Window Manager. >> >> Juri and I are maintaining the Debian-Live based TCE, where OpenBox is >> included, because we were annoyed by X2GoClient's popups being

Re: [X2Go-Dev] Different behavior of X2Go Client from Desktop and TCE

Am 18.05.2018 um 09:57 schrieb Ulrich Sibiller: > I am getting more an more confused about the TCE stuff. Is there a > difference between TCE you are talking about and the x2gothinclient > Alex is working on? Alex is working on the classic, NFS-based TCE, that so far does not come with a Window

Re: [X2Go-Dev] Different behavior of X2Go Client from Desktop and TCE

On Fri, May 18, 2018 at 12:18 AM, Stefan Baur wrote: > Am 17.05.2018 um 23:21 schrieb Ulrich Sibiller: >> Also I suppose we should automatically disable the magic pixel when >> there's no window manager running. What do you think? > > Wait, no. Let's not get confused

Re: [X2Go-Dev] Different behavior of X2Go Client from Desktop and TCE

; > Regards, > Walid Moghrabi > > TRAVAUX.COM > BAT I - PARC CEZANNE 2 290 AVENUE GALILEE - CS 80403 > 13591 AIX EN PROVENCE CEDEX 3 > > - Mail original - > > De: "Stefan Baur" <x2go-m...@baur-itcs.de> > À: x2go-dev@lists.x2go.org > Env

Re: [X2Go-Dev] Different behavior of X2Go Client from Desktop and TCE

- Mail original - De: "Stefan Baur" <x2go-m...@baur-itcs.de> À: x2go-dev@lists.x2go.org Envoyé: Vendredi 18 Mai 2018 00:49:29 Objet: Re: [X2Go-Dev] Different behavior of X2Go Client from Desktop and TCE Am 18.05.2018 um 00:39 schrieb Nable: > On Fri, May 18, 2018 at 1

Re: [X2Go-Dev] Different behavior of X2Go Client from Desktop and TCE

.@baur-itcs.de> Cc: x2go-dev@lists.x2go.org Envoyé: Jeudi 17 Mai 2018 23:21:47 Objet: Re: [X2Go-Dev] Different behavior of X2Go Client from Desktop and TCE On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 3:40 PM, Stefan Baur <x2go-m...@baur-itcs.de> wrote: > Am 17.05.2018 um 15:32 schrieb Walid MOG

Re: [X2Go-Dev] Different behavior of X2Go Client from Desktop and TCE

Am 18.05.2018 um 00:39 schrieb Nable: > On Fri, May 18, 2018 at 1:18 AM, Stefan Baur > wrote: > > [...] > The problem arises on systems that have a Window Manager (like OpenBox), > but no task bar, so no way to un-minimize the

Re: [X2Go-Dev] Different behavior of X2Go Client from Desktop and TCE

On Fri, May 18, 2018 at 1:18 AM, Stefan Baur wrote: > [...] > The problem arises on systems that have a Window Manager (like OpenBox), > but no task bar, so no way to un-minimize the X2Go/NX-window once the > user hits the magic pixel. Are you sure that task bar is

Re: [X2Go-Dev] Different behavior of X2Go Client from Desktop and TCE

Am 17.05.2018 um 23:21 schrieb Ulrich Sibiller: > Also I suppose we should automatically disable the magic pixel when > there's no window manager running. What do you think? Wait, no. Let's not get confused here. Magic Pixel *is* effectively disabled when there is no Window Manager running,

Re: [X2Go-Dev] Different behavior of X2Go Client from Desktop and TCE

Am 17.05.2018 um 23:46 schrieb Ulrich Sibiller: >>> Also I suppose we should automatically disable the magic pixel when >>> there's no window manager running. What do you think? >> I'd say your thinking is a bit too Linux-centric here. >> Or would your code also detect a running MS Windows / macOS

Re: [X2Go-Dev] Different behavior of X2Go Client from Desktop and TCE

Am 17.05.2018 um 23:46 schrieb Ulrich Sibiller: >> Because the magic pixel is useful on those platforms, too - especially >> Windows, where pressing Ctrl+Alt+F regularly crashes the X server, >> instead of toggling fullscreen mode. > We could file vcxsrv bug for that. We "just" need to track it

Re: [X2Go-Dev] Different behavior of X2Go Client from Desktop and TCE

Am 17.05.2018 um 23:21 schrieb Ulrich Sibiller: > Also I suppose we should automatically disable the magic pixel when > there's no window manager running. What do you think? I'd say your thinking is a bit too Linux-centric here. Or would your code also detect a running MS Windows / macOS

Re: [X2Go-Dev] Different behavior of X2Go Client from Desktop and TCE

On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 3:40 PM, Stefan Baur wrote: > Am 17.05.2018 um 15:32 schrieb Walid MOGHRABI: >> Anyway, having to install a WM in a TCE is not dumb stuff, it makes TCE acts >> much more like a real desktop than without it (and thus, easier to debug and >> a more

Re: [X2Go-Dev] Different behavior of X2Go Client from Desktop and TCE

Am 17.05.2018 um 15:32 schrieb Walid MOGHRABI: > Anyway, having to install a WM in a TCE is not dumb stuff, it makes TCE acts > much more like a real desktop than without it (and thus, easier to debug and > a more uniform setup than with local fat client). And that's why we added OpenBox to

Re: [X2Go-Dev] Different behavior of X2Go Client from Desktop and TCE

er" <o.shney...@phoca-gmbh.de> Cc: x2go-dev@lists.x2go.org Envoyé: Jeudi 17 Mai 2018 14:56:17 Objet: Re: [X2Go-Dev] Different behavior of X2Go Client from Desktop and TCE On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 2:45 PM, Oleksandr Shneyder <o.shney...@phoca-gmbh.de> wrote: > Am 17.05.2018 um

Re: [X2Go-Dev] Different behavior of X2Go Client from Desktop and TCE

Am 17.05.2018 um 14:33 schrieb Ulrich Sibiller: > On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 2:13 PM, Oleksandr Shneyder > wrote: >> Nope, it looks for me, that nxproxy window get information about screens >> from WM. If WM is not started, nxproxy get just the window geometry. >> With

Re: [X2Go-Dev] Different behavior of X2Go Client from Desktop and TCE

On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 2:13 PM, Oleksandr Shneyder wrote: > Nope, it looks for me, that nxproxy window get information about screens > from WM. If WM is not started, nxproxy get just the window geometry. > With started WM we have correct display information on server

Re: [X2Go-Dev] Different behavior of X2Go Client from Desktop and TCE

Am 17.05.2018 um 13:59 schrieb Ulrich Sibiller: > I am suspecting this has to do with the fact that openbox is the first > client to TCEs X server. Can someone try and run an > xterm/xclock/xlogo/whatever (and no WM) prior to x2goclient? What would you expect to happen when another application is

Re: [X2Go-Dev] Different behavior of X2Go Client from Desktop and TCE

On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 1:52 PM, Stefan Baur wrote: > Am 17.05.2018 um 13:02 schrieb Mike Gabriel: >> >> Same issue here with pyhoca-cli and Arctica Greeter's remote logon feature. >> >> I'll read the full scope of this mail thread and join in tomorrow... > > TL;DR: > No

Re: [X2Go-Dev] Different behavior of X2Go Client from Desktop and TCE

Am 17.05.2018 um 13:02 schrieb Mike Gabriel: > > Same issue here with pyhoca-cli and Arctica Greeter's remote logon feature. > > I'll read the full scope of this mail thread and join in tomorrow... TL;DR: No local Window Manager equals no working XINERAMA. TCE-NFS has none, so fails. TCE-Live

Re: [X2Go-Dev] Different behavior of X2Go Client from Desktop and TCE

Hi Stefan, Alex, On Mi 16 Mai 2018 15:00:33 CEST, Stefan Baur wrote: Hi Alex, Sorry, no solution yet, but we ran into the same issue yesterday/today (with TCE-Live, not NFS). What's worse is that it happens sometimes, but not always. At first we thought it depended on the Desktop

Re: [X2Go-Dev] Different behavior of X2Go Client from Desktop and TCE

Am 16.05.2018 um 22:57 schrieb Ulrich Sibiller: > Also, I just remembered there's some xrandr magic going on in TCE mode > that _might_ mess things up for you. Have a look at > lib/live/config/2800-x2go-thinclientconfig. I think you mean 2900. (We increased that count by 100 a while ago.) And

Re: [X2Go-Dev] Different behavior of X2Go Client from Desktop and TCE

On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 2:50 PM, Oleksandr Shneyder wrote: > Hi guys, > > I have a strange issue. The Xinerama works well in full screen mode, > when x2goclient is started on desktop, but doesn't work if x2goclient > is started from TCE. It's the same version of client:

Re: [X2Go-Dev] Different behavior of X2Go Client from Desktop and TCE

* On 05/16/2018 10:22 PM, Stefan Baur wrote: > Does that mean it would also work with older NX-Lib versions, like 3.5.0.33? No. That's a new feature that has been introduced in the 3.5.99.x line only. Mihai signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [X2Go-Dev] Different behavior of X2Go Client from Desktop and TCE

Am 16.05.2018 um 22:08 schrieb Ulrich Sibiller: > Turns out that feature is already present in nxagent. You can use > -nomagicpixel on nxagent's command line and you can toggle the magic > pixel by using magicpixel=0/1 in the options string. So all that's > missing is support in x2go. Does that

Re: [X2Go-Dev] Different behavior of X2Go Client from Desktop and TCE

On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 4:35 PM, Ulrich Sibiller wrote: > We can add that to the options string, so it can be switched depending on > the client's preference. No big deal... Turns out that feature is already present in nxagent. You can use -nomagicpixel on nxagent's

Re: [X2Go-Dev] Different behavior of X2Go Client from Desktop and TCE

Am 16.05.2018 um 19:28 schrieb Oleksandr Shneyder: > Ok, installing WM just to make Xinerama work doesn't seem to be a right > solution for me. On the client site everything looks good. X2Go Client > creating correct xinerama.conf and sending correct options to x2goagent. > So I guess the problem

Re: [X2Go-Dev] Different behavior of X2Go Client from Desktop and TCE

Ok, installing WM just to make Xinerama work doesn't seem to be a right solution for me. On the client site everything looks good. X2Go Client creating correct xinerama.conf and sending correct options to x2goagent. So I guess the problem is in NX-Xinerama code. I'll have a look and will see how

Re: [X2Go-Dev] Different behavior of X2Go Client from Desktop and TCE

We can add that to the options string, so it can be switched depending on the client's preference. No big deal... Stefan Baur schrieb am Mi., 16. Mai 2018, 16:25: > Am 16.05.2018 um 16:07 schrieb Walid MOGHRABI: > > > To me, disabling MagicPixel (which is something

Re: [X2Go-Dev] Different behavior of X2Go Client from Desktop and TCE

Am 16.05.2018 um 16:07 schrieb Walid MOGHRABI: > To me, disabling MagicPixel (which is something barely useful) at the server > side is perfect. > Feel free to give me a use case where this should be kept, I don't see any on > my side. The use case is a mixed environment, where people are

Re: [X2Go-Dev] Different behavior of X2Go Client from Desktop and TCE

nic >> Mihai Moldovan" <io...@ionic.de> Envoyé: Mercredi 16 Mai 2018 15:55:55 Objet: Re: [X2Go-Dev] Different behavior of X2Go Client from Desktop and TCE Am 16.05.2018 um 15:52 schrieb Walid MOGHRABI: > MagicPixel is not a problem anymore. > I filed a feature request which

Re: [X2Go-Dev] Different behavior of X2Go Client from Desktop and TCE

Am 16.05.2018 um 15:52 schrieb Walid MOGHRABI: > MagicPixel is not a problem anymore. > I filed a feature request which has been done to add a parameter to disable > this behaviour directly at the nx level. > Just add the "-nomagicpixel" option in x2goagent.options Wait, that's on the server

Re: [X2Go-Dev] Different behavior of X2Go Client from Desktop and TCE

AVENUE GALILEE - CS 80403 13591 AIX EN PROVENCE CEDEX 3 - Mail original - De: "Ulrich Sibiller" <ulrich.sibil...@gmail.com> À: "Stefan Baur" <x2go-m...@baur-itcs.de> Cc: x2go-dev@lists.x2go.org Envoyé: Mercredi 16 Mai 2018 15:48:54 Objet: Re: [X2Go-Dev] D

Re: [X2Go-Dev] Different behavior of X2Go Client from Desktop and TCE

Regards, Walid Moghrabi TRAVAUX.COM BAT I - PARC CEZANNE 2 290 AVENUE GALILEE - CS 80403 13591 AIX EN PROVENCE CEDEX 3 - Mail original - De: "Stefan Baur" <x2go-m...@baur-itcs.de> À: x2go-dev@lists.x2go.org Envoyé: Mercredi 16 Mai 2018 15:19:00 Objet: Re: [X2Go-Dev] Diffe

Re: [X2Go-Dev] Different behavior of X2Go Client from Desktop and TCE

Am 16.05.2018 um 15:48 schrieb Ulrich Sibiller: > The magic pixel can be disabled in nxagent 3.5.99.16. Yes, but AFAIK X2GoClient doesn't make use of that feature in 4.1.1.1. (I may be mistaken, though, so feel free to correct me) Kind Regards, Stefan Baur -- BAUR-ITCS UG (haftungsbeschränkt)

Re: [X2Go-Dev] Different behavior of X2Go Client from Desktop and TCE

The magic pixel can be disabled in nxagent 3.5.99.16. I am wondering why the the WM is relevant. Nxagent is talking to the X server and not the WM. So what does xrandr report on the tce side with and without WM? Uli Stefan Baur schrieb am Mi., 16. Mai 2018, 15:25: > Am

Re: [X2Go-Dev] Different behavior of X2Go Client from Desktop and TCE

Am 16.05.2018 um 15:11 schrieb Walid MOGHRABI: > This is a known bug I encountered and this is due to the lack of Window > Manager. > Apparently, the WM is needed to have a good working xinerama. > > I fixed this by installing OpenBox in my TCE image and added this line : > > >

Re: [X2Go-Dev] Different behavior of X2Go Client from Desktop and TCE

This is a known bug I encountered and this is due to the lack of Window Manager. Apparently, the WM is needed to have a good working xinerama. I fixed this by installing OpenBox in my TCE image and added this line :

Re: [X2Go-Dev] Different behavior of X2Go Client from Desktop and TCE

Hi Alex, Sorry, no solution yet, but we ran into the same issue yesterday/today (with TCE-Live, not NFS). What's worse is that it happens sometimes, but not always. At first we thought it depended on the Desktop Environment/Window Manager, but it seems to be a different issue than that. Kind