Re: [Xenomai-core] RT_PREEMPT patch and other things...

2009-07-19 Thread Jan Kiszka
Wolfgang Denk wrote:
 Dear Jan Kiszka,
 
 In message 4a60a5b5.3090...@siemens.com you wrote:
 4) What are the most important conferences/summits/... for Xenomai  
 developers?
 E.g. RTLWS [1]. At least /me plans to attend (though on a non-Xenomai
 topic).
 
 Actually I'm trying to organize something like a Xenomai User's
 Meeting at this year's RTLWS.

Great! Wolfgang G. mentioned it recently, but I was already afraid it
would not make it beyond a it would be nice if

 
 So far some Xenomai / Adeos related presentations have  already  been
 submitted  (though  I  don't  know  about acceptance, schedule or the
 like):
 
 * ARM Fast Context Switch Extension for Linux
   Richard Cochran, OMICRON electronics GmbH
   Gilles Chanteperdrix, xenomai.org
 
 * Transparent real time behavior, a new approach
   Rene Graf, Siemens AG
   Manfred Neugebauer, Siemens AG
   Wolfgang Hartmann, Siemens AG
 
 * Colibri-in-Motion: embedded virtualization technics devoted to hard 
 realtime control
   Daniel Rossier, Reconfigurable Embedded Digital Systems, HEIG-VD/HES-SO, 
 Switzerland
   Patrick Gerber, Reconfigurable Embedded Digital Systems, HEIG-VD/HES-SO, 
 Switzerland
 
 * Real Time Toolkit for Open Robot Control Software
   Peter Soetens, Katholieke Universiteit Leuven
   Markus Klotzbücher, Katholieke Universiteit Leuven
 
 (not mentioned here several presentations covering RTAI).
 
 In addition to Gilles'/Richard's  presentation  above  Philippe  also
 indicated that he might eventually come and give a presentation :-)
 
 
 
 Anybody interested to come: please let me know. My dream is  that  as
 many as possible give a short (2...5 minutes sufficient) presentation
 of  their  project:  how  long  they've  been using Xenomai, on which
 platform, what their  are  of  business  is,  eventually  what  their
 project is about, success stories, what you like about Xenomai, where
 you  ran  into  problems, what is still missing in Xenomai to make it
 even easier to use for you, etc. etc...
 
 
 I know that many people from many companies read this  list  and  use
 Xenomai  in  their projects, often without ever activly participating
 in the discussions here. Come together at RTLWS! That's the chance to
 see who else is doing the same, and to match faces to names.

I will spread the news internally, but I'm afraid it's still too early
for our customers to show up publicly. In any case, I will try to
prepare some technical information that can be released already (at the
bare minimum a summary of what went to the list and into the repos
during our project).

 
 See http://www.osadl.org/Dresden-2009.rtlws11-dresden-2009.0.html for
 details, and/or contact me in case of questions, suggestions,  or  if
 you have an abstract for a presentation (yes, the deadline is already
 past, but I'll try to help).
 
 Best regards,
 
 Wolfgang Denk
 

Jan



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[Xenomai-core] RT_PREEMPT patch and other things...

2009-07-17 Thread Andreas Glatz
Hi,

I have some questions about the future of Xenomai:

1) I read that in Xenomai 3 you will add support to switch between  
the native Xenomai scheduler
  and the Linux scheduler patched with the RT_PREEMPT patchset.  
When are you planning to
  start this development?

2) Is it right to say that when Xenomai runs on top of the patched  
Linux scheduler we will still
  have the native API with all it's nice features like RT_QUEUE  
and RT_PIPE?

3) Have you ever heard about a Xenomai/IPIPE port to m68k?

4) What are the most important conferences/summits/... for Xenomai  
developers?

Greetings from the Linux Symposium in Montreal,

Andreas (Ruggedcom Inc.)

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Re: [Xenomai-core] RT_PREEMPT patch and other things...

2009-07-17 Thread Jan Kiszka
Andreas Glatz wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I have some questions about the future of Xenomai:
 
 1) I read that in Xenomai 3 you will add support to switch between  
 the native Xenomai scheduler
   and the Linux scheduler patched with the RT_PREEMPT patchset.  
 When are you planning to
   start this development?
 

There are some early components available, see
http://git.denx.de/?p=xenomai-solo.git and
http://git.xenomai.org/?p=rtdm-native.git.

 2) Is it right to say that when Xenomai runs on top of the patched  
 Linux scheduler we will still
   have the native API with all it's nice features like RT_QUEUE  
 and RT_PIPE?

Yes, the plan is to allow easy code migration between both RT models,
and that would include code written for the Native skin.

 
 3) Have you ever heard about a Xenomai/IPIPE port to m68k?

I had some chat with the guy who is working on RTAI for m68k, which
included writing some I-pipe-like patch. Unfortunately there was not
much drive visible to push that part upstream. But it's released now, so
someone else could pick that task up.

 
 4) What are the most important conferences/summits/... for Xenomai  
 developers?

E.g. RTLWS [1]. At least /me plans to attend (though on a non-Xenomai
topic).

 
 Greetings from the Linux Symposium in Montreal,
 
 Andreas (Ruggedcom Inc.)

Jan

[1] http://www.osadl.org/Dresden-2009.rtlws11-dresden-2009.0.html

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Re: [Xenomai-core] RT_PREEMPT patch and other things...

2009-07-17 Thread Wolfgang Denk
Dear Jan Kiszka,

In message 4a60a5b5.3090...@siemens.com you wrote:

  4) What are the most important conferences/summits/... for Xenomai  
  developers?
 
 E.g. RTLWS [1]. At least /me plans to attend (though on a non-Xenomai
 topic).

Actually I'm trying to organize something like a Xenomai User's
Meeting at this year's RTLWS.

So far some Xenomai / Adeos related presentations have  already  been
submitted  (though  I  don't  know  about acceptance, schedule or the
like):

* ARM Fast Context Switch Extension for Linux
  Richard Cochran, OMICRON electronics GmbH
  Gilles Chanteperdrix, xenomai.org

* Transparent real time behavior, a new approach
  Rene Graf, Siemens AG
  Manfred Neugebauer, Siemens AG
  Wolfgang Hartmann, Siemens AG

* Colibri-in-Motion: embedded virtualization technics devoted to hard realtime 
control
  Daniel Rossier, Reconfigurable Embedded Digital Systems, HEIG-VD/HES-SO, 
Switzerland
  Patrick Gerber, Reconfigurable Embedded Digital Systems, HEIG-VD/HES-SO, 
Switzerland

* Real Time Toolkit for Open Robot Control Software
  Peter Soetens, Katholieke Universiteit Leuven
  Markus Klotzbücher, Katholieke Universiteit Leuven

(not mentioned here several presentations covering RTAI).

In addition to Gilles'/Richard's  presentation  above  Philippe  also
indicated that he might eventually come and give a presentation :-)



Anybody interested to come: please let me know. My dream is  that  as
many as possible give a short (2...5 minutes sufficient) presentation
of  their  project:  how  long  they've  been using Xenomai, on which
platform, what their  are  of  business  is,  eventually  what  their
project is about, success stories, what you like about Xenomai, where
you  ran  into  problems, what is still missing in Xenomai to make it
even easier to use for you, etc. etc...


I know that many people from many companies read this  list  and  use
Xenomai  in  their projects, often without ever activly participating
in the discussions here. Come together at RTLWS! That's the chance to
see who else is doing the same, and to match faces to names.

See http://www.osadl.org/Dresden-2009.rtlws11-dresden-2009.0.html for
details, and/or contact me in case of questions, suggestions,  or  if
you have an abstract for a presentation (yes, the deadline is already
past, but I'll try to help).

Best regards,

Wolfgang Denk

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HRB 165235 Munich, Office: Kirchenstr.5, D-82194 Groebenzell, Germany
Phone: (+49)-8142-66989-10 Fax: (+49)-8142-66989-80 Email: w...@denx.de
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Re: [Xenomai-core] RT_PREEMPT patch and other things...

2009-07-17 Thread Andreas Glatz



On 17 Jul 2009, at 12:24, Jan Kiszka wrote:


Andreas Glatz wrote:

Hi,

I have some questions about the future of Xenomai:

1) I read that in Xenomai 3 you will add support to switch between
the native Xenomai scheduler
  and the Linux scheduler patched with the RT_PREEMPT patchset.
When are you planning to
  start this development?



There are some early components available, see
http://git.denx.de/?p=xenomai-solo.git and
http://git.xenomai.org/?p=rtdm-native.git.



When do u think Xenomai-Solo will become stable (ready for production  
use on a powerpc platform)?


Andreas

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Re: [Xenomai-core] RT_PREEMPT patch and other things...

2009-07-17 Thread Wolfgang Denk
Dear Andreas Glatz,

In message 71d4c981-5356-40c4-ad25-3ea41bd56...@gmail.com you wrote:
 
 When do u think Xenomai-Solo will become stable (ready for production  
 use on a powerpc platform)?

Umm... it was stable when it has been released, or do you think
Philippe would release unstable code? 

Really - do you think there are any deficiencies in Xenomai-Solo?

Best regards,

Wolfgang Denk

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