Re: [RFC] RandR 1.3 properties, version 2

2008-12-29 Thread Matthias Hopf
On Dec 19, 08 12:23:20 +1100, Graeme Gill wrote: Matthias Hopf wrote: I have just pushed a change to radeonhd, that implements the mandatory bits of RandR 1.3 output properties, which can thus be seen as a reference implementation. Sorry I guess I'm not following very well :- so this

Re: [RFC] RandR 1.3 properties, version 2

2008-12-18 Thread Graeme Gill
Matthias Hopf wrote: AFAIR we agreed on that this property name can just be changed without breaking backward compatibility, because it was never agreed upon that this was a standard so far. I guess I can always add yet another EDID atom string check to my display color profile management

Re: [RFC] RandR 1.3 properties, version 2

2008-12-18 Thread Matthias Hopf
On Dec 18, 08 18:34:26 +1100, Graeme Gill wrote: Matthias Hopf wrote: AFAIR we agreed on that this property name can just be changed without breaking backward compatibility, because it was never agreed upon that this was a standard so far. I guess I can always add yet another EDID atom

Re: [RFC] RandR 1.3 properties, version 2

2008-12-18 Thread Keith Packard
On Thu, 2008-12-18 at 14:41 +0100, Matthias Hopf wrote: I guess I can always add yet another EDID atom string check to my display color profile management code, but is there a reason to change it ? Yeah, adopting a consistent standard property set will help applications in the future as

Re: [RFC] RandR 1.3 properties, version 2

2008-12-18 Thread Graeme Gill
Matthias Hopf wrote: I have just pushed a change to radeonhd, that implements the mandatory bits of RandR 1.3 output properties, which can thus be seen as a reference implementation. Sorry I guess I'm not following very well :- so this means that the XRandR EDID_DATA atom now becomes what ?

Re: [RFC] RandR 1.3 properties, version 2

2008-12-16 Thread Matthias Hopf
On Nov 07, 08 19:50:18 +0100, Matthias Hopf wrote: Attached is the new proposal. I hope I didn't forget any suggestion. As there haven't been any additional comments, I have now committed this proposal to randrproto. There's a single change to the Xserver needed, the name of the raw EDID data

Re: [RFC] RandR 1.3 properties

2008-11-07 Thread Matthias Hopf
On Oct 29, 08 17:08:25 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Is RANDR_BANDWIDTH helpful? Or should we have a dedicated property for indicating dual link capability on DVI? What other meta information (also on other connections) would be useful? I think it would be better to just

Re: [RFC] RandR 1.3 properties

2008-11-07 Thread Matthias Hopf
On Oct 28, 08 14:37:30 -0700, Keith Packard wrote: On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 19:51 +0100, Matthias Hopf wrote: - Apparently there are only 8, 16, and 32bit integers available as property types. Having ATOMs and FLOATs would add semantics, which could help in some cases. But if this implies

Re: [RFC] RandR 1.3 properties

2008-11-07 Thread Maarten Maathuis
On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 5:18 PM, Matthias Hopf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 28, 08 14:37:30 -0700, Keith Packard wrote: On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 19:51 +0100, Matthias Hopf wrote: - Apparently there are only 8, 16, and 32bit integers available as property types. Having ATOMs and FLOATs would

Re: [RFC] RandR 1.3 properties

2008-11-07 Thread Maarten Maathuis
On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 5:19 PM, Matthias Hopf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 28, 08 22:44:35 +0100, Maarten Maathuis wrote: Is there any chance to get rid of strings in the protocol/server altogether and stick to standardised names and properties (in the form of enums) as much as possible?

Re: [RFC] RandR 1.3 properties

2008-11-07 Thread Matthias Hopf
On Nov 07, 08 18:48:18 +0100, Maarten Maathuis wrote: On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 5:19 PM, Matthias Hopf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 28, 08 22:44:35 +0100, Maarten Maathuis wrote: Is there any chance to get rid of strings in the protocol/server altogether and stick to standardised names and

Re: [RFC] RandR 1.3 properties

2008-11-07 Thread Matthias Hopf
On Nov 07, 08 18:46:20 +0100, Maarten Maathuis wrote: Actually, single link/dual link, number of DisplayPort links, etc. could be set in the same property. I'd make that a generic transition frequency and an the total number of links, unless there are connections that don't scale linearly in

Re: [RFC] RandR 1.3 properties

2008-11-07 Thread Maarten Maathuis
On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 7:38 PM, Matthias Hopf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 07, 08 18:48:18 +0100, Maarten Maathuis wrote: On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 5:19 PM, Matthias Hopf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 28, 08 22:44:35 +0100, Maarten Maathuis wrote: Is there any chance to get rid of strings

[RFC] RandR 1.3 properties, version 2

2008-11-07 Thread Matthias Hopf
Attached is the new proposal. I hope I didn't forget any suggestion. Please comment. Matthias -- Matthias Hopf [EMAIL PROTECTED] ____ __ Maxfeldstr. 5 / 90409 Nuernberg (_ | | (_ |__ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone +49-911-74053-715 __) |_| __) |__ R D

Re: [RFC] RandR 1.3 properties

2008-11-07 Thread Matthias Hopf
On Nov 07, 08 19:44:07 +0100, Maarten Maathuis wrote: Perhaps now would be the time to standardise on a beheaviour, my personal opinion is that, the user should see something that represents the connectors on the back of their computer. Anything else should become a property of that connector

Re: [RFC] RandR 1.3 properties

2008-11-07 Thread Maarten Maathuis
On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 7:58 PM, Matthias Hopf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 07, 08 19:44:07 +0100, Maarten Maathuis wrote: Perhaps now would be the time to standardise on a beheaviour, my personal opinion is that, the user should see something that represents the connectors on the back of

Re: [RFC] RandR 1.3 properties

2008-11-07 Thread Soeren Sandmann
Matthias Hopf [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ATOMs are obviously supported, but FLOATs seem harder as they aren't described in the core protocol anywhere. Thinking about that, adding floats was probably a bull idea. However, having semantics about ATOMs might be helpful (e.g. for xrandr or any

[RFC] RandR 1.3 properties

2008-10-28 Thread Matthias Hopf
This is a second try to establish a request for comments on the standard properties of the upcoming RandR 1.3. The first try died out pretty quickly, also due to /me being a lazy bastard (read: other projects took away all of my time). I finally updated the draft, as my original version wasn't

Re: [RFC] RandR 1.3 properties

2008-10-28 Thread Maarten Maathuis
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 10:37 PM, Keith Packard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 19:51 +0100, Matthias Hopf wrote: - Apparently there are only 8, 16, and 32bit integers available as property types. Having ATOMs and FLOATs would add semantics, which could help in some cases.